Why Is AMD Selling Broken PlayStation Chips?
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0:00 - Intro
0:34 - Monday.com
0:48 - LTT Intro
0:57 - Wtf is the AMD 4700S
1:39 - Disassembly Begins
2:30 - Sketchy PSU
3:55 - Super weird motherboard
7:37 - Powering on
10:14 - Gaming test vs. PS5
12:49 - Benchmarking vs. PC
14:35 - Why does this exist??
15:55 - Monday.com
16:27 - Outro
@10100rsn 2 жыл бұрын
9:50 Linus points at a chip on the board and makes an incorrect assumption. What he is pointing at is a common Ethernet Isolation Transformer and not an Ethernet Controller. Edit: The actual Ethernet port there is controlled by the system controller chip which is why there is none built into the main CPU die.
@LinusTechTips 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@SoggyHamburgerzz 2 жыл бұрын
Oh hi linus!
@AMalas 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, and sometimes this transformer thing is integrated right into the jack I learned that while working on using an RJ45 connector for a non standard application
@PlinkyVR 2 жыл бұрын
@@JUSTKOZ hmm yes clown for making a simple mistake. They're not a board designer how are they gonna know what that is. The only clown here is you for tryna clown LTT.
@elliotdeclet594 2 жыл бұрын
@@mokubakaiba1751 he said worse case scenario, also it could theoretically catch fire bc to get the same wattage at 110v vs 220v the amperage would be higher which could short or fry something not specced for a higher amperage, which doesnt seem far fetched on such a cheap psu that might not have modern protections
@cowlodger123 2 жыл бұрын
I demand Alex finish the water-cooled PS5 build!!
@Glltch 2 жыл бұрын
Since March!
@mohdhamizan3607 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Sup_D 2 жыл бұрын
Think it might not happen, probably to avoid legal issue with Sony, like dBrand is currently having
@jakedhale 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sup_D It Wouldn't Cause legal issue as they are not distributing (selling it) and its for personal reasons
@SpunkyGo0se 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sup_D Sony can't stop them from modding a PS5. Difference is Dbrand is making a business off it.
@lungshenli 2 жыл бұрын
they took a partially functional CPU, bundled it with more bespoke hardware, that fits no other CPU and sold it at a bad price/performance. They saved the CPU from becoming e-waste immediately by constructing more parts around it so they can all be e-waste together :)
@TheFifthHorseman_ 2 жыл бұрын
Probably means they've got yield problems and a shitload of bum processors like that
@anthonya.jumelles7103 2 жыл бұрын
It's an issue with TSMC 7nm as a whole. Hence why everything is being transitioned to 6nm.
@benjaminmcintosh857 2 жыл бұрын
@@anthonya.jumelles7103 I'm pretty sure tsmc7 yields are around 90%, very mature node
@ragefacememeaholic5366 2 жыл бұрын
@@rayquazahere8529 Probs shitty luck because my 3700x works great and I never had any problems with it.
@TalesOfWar 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminmcintosh857 10% of tens of millions of chips is still a LOT of defective silicon.
@klaxoncow 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I do the BIOS "gallop" too, when dealing with systems where I don't know if it's Esc, F1, F2, Del, F12, etc. - so you basically have fingers over all the keys and then "gallop" the lot of them doing the boot screen. Very unscientific, but it does often actually work. Just hit all the keys and one of them's going to be right.
@param2014 2 жыл бұрын
Lmaoo same
@waitwhat1144 2 жыл бұрын
Except in the rare case such as some Lenovos I've run into that require you hold down the fn key and hit f2. Had to Google that one. There's always one...
@ravenonthecross 2 жыл бұрын
@@waitwhat1144 I've had that one too. It's just odd that Fn lock would be on by default, with no Fn Lock key and the only way to unlock it is to get into the bios.
@hellterminator 2 жыл бұрын
The worst one I ever encountered was one when Esc opened the BIOS, but also immediately closed it without a prompt. It was almost impossible to get into BIOS on that cursed machine.
@george-broughton 2 жыл бұрын
i made an arduino project that will force the machine into UEFI once plugged in. I got sick of mashing keys when working in a recycling center for comboopers.
@forzatoro89 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me when AMD launched their first 3-cores cpu, that were actually 4-cores with the defective core disabled
@andrewphi4958 2 жыл бұрын
And I find it quite cool actually, especially when they were priced accordingly.
@owlstead 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but at least all the architecture / outputs on the chip still made sense for a PC build. This one... not so much. Interesting for the curious mind that this exists. Otherwise it's just entertainment. Nobody in their right mind would pay more than say 300 for this. 400 is overpriced, 1000 is ludicrous. I guess paying 1k for the entertainment isn't, otherwise LTT would not exist :P
@nanolog522 Жыл бұрын
But in the end it was just functioning quadcores with one core disabled that you could reenable and turn back into a quad core.
@sidebazooka6900 Жыл бұрын
Or not defective at all lol Got a Phenom from an Athlon II X3
@OctoomyYTOfficial Жыл бұрын
and people tried to unlock that core.
@cookieflips 2 жыл бұрын
"This isn't even the good tasting one" LINUS HAVE YOU EATEN THERMAL COMPOUND
@sixunity1171 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@endless2239 2 жыл бұрын
you.... you haven't!?
@eddy.h3872 2 жыл бұрын
what kind of human that doesn't eat thermal compound.
@hellodan2166 2 жыл бұрын
he had a fever
@The-Secret-Dragon 2 жыл бұрын
Oh god he liked your comment it's practically confirmed
@HipyoTech 2 жыл бұрын
"we're not blaming AMD" - Title blames AMD 😅😅
@callanjerel 2 жыл бұрын
yo strange to see you round these parts
@ianchim4002 2 жыл бұрын
Okay.
@bocchipilled 2 жыл бұрын
howdy hey
@smoothbraindetainer 2 жыл бұрын
If you listened, that comment was about the power supply. The title is not about the power supply.
@marcelo.bassalo 2 жыл бұрын
howdy hey
@Chalky. 2 жыл бұрын
So instead of immediately turning the PS5 APU into E-waste they create a seriously underpowered board that only slightly delays even more E-waste.
@skmetal7 2 жыл бұрын
i thought the exact same thing.
@updog4L 2 жыл бұрын
I can see it gaining popularity as an e-cafe bundle, *if* the price drops to a tolerable amount
@MostlyPennyCat 2 жыл бұрын
@@updog4L Which is never will because it's _wasting 16gig of gddr6_ or whatever they soldered onto the back.
@XeonProductions 2 жыл бұрын
Would probably be fine for shitty office PCs.
@viztiz316 2 жыл бұрын
@@XeonProductions athlon and pentium exists
@00kidney 2 жыл бұрын
oh no, don't do that, she'll explode! Linus: she'll explode! I'm intrigued!
@potatopotatopotatopotatopo8746 2 жыл бұрын
An actual person commenting like a bot😂😂
@akshay1400 2 жыл бұрын
Wow you repeated what linus said😮😮
@charleshines2506 2 жыл бұрын
@@potatopotatopotatopotatopo8746 It is a good thing he was there to stop him so he wouldn't have to extinguish a fire.
@maruftim 2 жыл бұрын
😐
@hero3104 2 жыл бұрын
Dude you make kidney videos for a living wth
@Germanwtb 2 жыл бұрын
That was actually not an Ethernet controller chip, but an Ethernet passives/magnetics package. (You can tell by the fact that it's really tall)
@FireWyvern870 2 жыл бұрын
@@arisusanchez just report and move on
@boluakinlabi2764 2 жыл бұрын
Oh
@shumba_the_don 2 жыл бұрын
@@karmila8758 oh very good very nice. You send me money 💰 I take a picture of you and show your family what a naughty 👿 scammer you are.
@computingcapybara 2 жыл бұрын
@@karmila8758 shut up
@txe1nd 2 жыл бұрын
Ok
@ramanchawla5081 Жыл бұрын
Got the desktop kit for $250 in india...installed it in silverstone SG13 case ( $70 for case, 140mm fan and power supply) and I have myself an 8 core, 16 thread, 16gb desktop for a total $320...I think that is great value and performance at this price (if you are not buying it for gaming ofcourse)
@nkdlive 7 күн бұрын
Hows it running?
@Karamuto 2 жыл бұрын
Which raises the question: Is the Series S chip a "not so great" Series X board, or still produced seperately? It would be a good use for e-waste.
@tommycocacocke 2 жыл бұрын
Think so.. The series x chip/gpu is made with 56 compute units but only 52 is active..series s have 20 active..
@lestercrewe-jones2432 2 жыл бұрын
No, it a totally different chip. You can check it online
@TheAssirra 2 жыл бұрын
"it will explode" Oh so it comes with a built in Gigabyte power supply?
@Juanguar 2 жыл бұрын
Worse A Huntkey PSU
@apostolosfilippos 2 жыл бұрын
with a Samsung note 7 battery
@graphicsgod 2 жыл бұрын
**rimshot**
@CanIHasThisName 2 жыл бұрын
I love how Gigabyte PSUs became a meme. GN really did a good job making sure nobody trusts them.
@patrikkarlsson9863 2 жыл бұрын
@@graphicsgod is that from archer?
@SegaSaturnSubs 2 жыл бұрын
6:38 - the traces make this circle pattern for impedance matching; else the signal bounces back through the trace like an acho chamber and starts interfering with itself. Stuff that starts to happen when you have circuits running at GHz speeds!
@kleinesfilmroellchen 2 жыл бұрын
RF electrical engineering is basically black magic
@brettschuller1863 2 жыл бұрын
@@kleinesfilmroellchen if you don't have the imaging software that costs 100s of thousands of dollars to emulate a part then yea.
@gmdking 2 жыл бұрын
@@Yuna-oi8wb Begone, BOT!
@TomStorey96 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it is impedance matching. Impedance of the trace is a function of is width rather than its length. But that is not to say there is no impedance control at all. The traces that take a circular path are probably of a "less critical signal group", such as address or control signals. Routing guidelines for DDR signals prefers the data bus to be routed first and be length matched (i.e. the squiggly ones) because it is (more critically) synchronous and operates at the highest clock frequency, while other busses are routed later and do not have quite as strict routing guidelines. It would matter more for a differential signal pair (which most DDR signals are not) to be impedance (and length) matched to ensure the signal edges travel together.
@isilder 2 жыл бұрын
Thats NOT correct. The 8 chips are used in parallel , which saves on the trace density on the PCB , He can see all the traces, because they put all the RAM in a circle around the CPU because PCB had all that area available to be used. If they had bunched all the chips together in a row, they could have plenty of empty space, but they would have used a PCB standard with higher trace density (more layers or more per inch ?) Its only new to Linus because the SOC CPU and inbuilt RAM and missing IO slots meant that PCB was much larger than the smallest area PCB required. So he can see the traces on the two layer PCB.
@danagoyette7932 2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious: what does Device Manager look like in "Devices By Connection" mode on the thing?
@george-broughton 2 жыл бұрын
it probably shows the onboard GPU. Windows likely just doesn't have drivers for it because most console GPUs are custom made and do weird shit. While this video is about the ps4 (below) the same applies to most consoles. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h7OZqMV0m7LIhHU.html
@davec5613 2 жыл бұрын
Many years ago I turned on the 4th core on an AMD X3 CPU. Stayed stable!
@mohdhamizan3607 2 жыл бұрын
"It's over Anakin, I've got the discounts"
@Cepheus_01 2 жыл бұрын
What a chad comment. I wish you luck for your entire lifetime, you absolute god of a man.
@powerfulshammy 2 жыл бұрын
You under estimate my being in South East Asia. Its only $300 after converting from Php. Its called here factory over run PS5 motherboard in specs of PC pre built
@AlLiberali 2 жыл бұрын
That's a perfect honey ad
@stacklysm 2 жыл бұрын
Don't try it
@mohdhamizan3607 2 жыл бұрын
@@Cepheus_01 thank you :)
@JeskidoYT 2 жыл бұрын
Now this is the type of LTT video I've been missing for days
@anusmcgee4150 2 жыл бұрын
Not that it would make a huge difference, but why would you test it against a 5800X as opposed to a 3700X since it's more analogous to the PS5's CPU?
@1GTX1 2 жыл бұрын
Should test it against 2700x, since 3700x has much bigger memory cache.
@niteriderevo9179 2 жыл бұрын
@@1GTX1 2700x is only Zen+ [Zen1 refresh] versus 3700x being Zen2..
@darkwolf1739 2 жыл бұрын
@@niteriderevo9179 less cache with lower frequency than zen 2 bottlenecked further with gddr instead of ddr ram making its performance more similiar to full speed zen 1 with ddr ram.
@niteriderevo9179 2 жыл бұрын
@@darkwolf1739 give zen+[zen1 refresh] the same limits and it won't perform as well as zen2 does, the ps5 core is 8 zen2 arch cores paired with a custom amd gpu as a SoC
@tommycocacocke 2 жыл бұрын
Tnx! Waiting for a video of this board since I heard of it..!
@Terrobility 2 жыл бұрын
Linus is right: Power supplies should ABSOLUTELY be switching by default. It's been a thing for ages now. And with no label on the outside either, it's a recipe for disaster.
@resentfulsoulofthetoilet589 2 жыл бұрын
To give you an example for how long this has been an standard: one of the first computers I've ever seen, the IBM PC AT that came out in the late 80's ( 1988 ) , It's power supply also had that switch
@justsomeguy5103 2 жыл бұрын
They've even been doing the switching automatically for the past decade. We had some fried school computers back in the days because some people thought it would be funny to flip the switch and wait for the next guy to use the computer.
@Glotttis 2 жыл бұрын
This was dumb. Why would a product not intended for NA market cater to their power standards? Here in EU when I buy electronics I don't expect them to support weird power standards from another part of the globe or have stickers warning me that they don't support power standards of America or some small African island.
@justsomeguy5103 2 жыл бұрын
@SteelRodent Mine accepts 100-240V. There is no rule saying they can't also accept other power systems, as long as they work with the European one. In fact, I would find it unacceptable for any kind of portable device or gadget to ship with a charger that only accepts 230V, as people are pretty likely to bring those when travelling abroad.
@Frizzy9000 2 жыл бұрын
@@Victorianous most likely because there is higher amperage then it was designed for for 120v. Though normally the voltage is most dangerous for electronics (since amperage is only pulled when needed). My guess is those kind of setups don't have all the modern protection features it should have
@Shadow__133 2 жыл бұрын
Powering a 220v PSU with 110v wouldn't do shit on short term. The opposite is a great fireworks replacement. Im from a country where it's common to find unlabeled outlets for both on the same room. Lots of hands on experience burning shit down.
@s3rit661 2 жыл бұрын
In Europe we Only use 220v, so there's no point of having 110v
@StepanderTheKing 2 жыл бұрын
@@s3rit661 yes, and in north America they only have 110. So imported items are always gonna be a lottery, regardless of where you are. And to add confusion, some places in central America use both, so I imagine by the comment that the person above is from one of those countries
@danielarsivana5991 2 жыл бұрын
@@StepanderTheKing afaik North America do use 220V for bigger appliances that need huge power. But then it's splitted into 110v lines that goes into all of your power outlets.
@jihadijackass 2 жыл бұрын
@@danielarsivana5991 this is true, ElectroBOOM explained this in a video on 110v/220v
@Shadow__133 2 жыл бұрын
@@StepanderTheKing Yes. South America. Nowadays the outlets are diffent sizes to avoid confusion, but going back a decade I burned a ton of 110v stuff plugging on 220v. Nothing ever happened the other way around. Oh, and getting electrocuted by 220v is awesome, feels like a horses kick.
@anch95 2 жыл бұрын
11:30 Glad I waited till this point, as my question about the GPU SoC not being included was answered.
@gregwisniewski9604 2 жыл бұрын
The timing on the opening explosion joke is *chef's kiss*.
@ZeroUm_ 2 жыл бұрын
>"Instead of turning into e-waste" Yeah... You solder it together with other perfectly fine components and get even a larger e-waste...
@BigPandaGamer 2 жыл бұрын
well, they need to assemble most of the parts to properly test the build
@mincos_outon 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I totally agree: from 20 gram of CPU waste to 5 Kg (or so) of a complete system
@RandarTheBarbarian 2 жыл бұрын
It's only e-waste if you look at it from purely a gaming PC perspective. They'd make perfectly acceptable home office PCs for example, if the price wasn't so bad. A lot of the varriation in silicon performance comes down to small defects and all of the major companies that make chips do this, back in the old Phenom days the stuff that didn't work wasn't even separated and you could potentially unlock some more cores (they were all basically quads with parts disabled that potentially didn't work properly, I had a dual core that unlocked a 3rd that worked but at a lower clock) same with intel, with the same design put into different performance tiers based on their likelihood to perform to spec, and you can see it transparently if you take the cooler off some nvidia cards and see multiple models having the same die number. This is by no means a new concept, and it's not even a bad idea in this case, it's just the price that throws it off. It's also why lower performance models often launch later than the main, because the lower models are the same design but worse, so when you have a bunch that don't turn out as desired but still usable and in a similar way, no problem just remove what's broken, call it good, and launch your lower tier GPU or CPU.
@SimonBauer7 2 жыл бұрын
@@RandarTheBarbarian quick question for you could you unlock the already quad core phenom ii x4 945 to a six core phenom?
@DDRWakaLaka 2 жыл бұрын
@@SimonBauer7 not him but iirc, yes with a bit of luck
@bena2.014 2 жыл бұрын
In Brazil these kits are available in usual tech stores, although also massively overpriced. It's around 600 USD for the motherboard alone.
@aleJohnny 2 жыл бұрын
Where? Which tech stores?
@AaronShenghao 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a fat 50% import tax like we get in Europe and US.
@bena2.014 2 жыл бұрын
@@AaronShenghao most of the stuff that we have over here have prices that are ~60% tax. I bought a 1030 for 450 reais at the start of this year, if I'm not mistaken, around R$280 were just taxes.
@godofdefeat 2 жыл бұрын
@@AaronShenghao Brazil has it even worse
@foxxyytofficial 2 жыл бұрын
@@bena2.014 where did you find that kit??
@rc4a0frios 2 жыл бұрын
Here in Argentina a combo with a RX550 cost just USD 160. An amazing buy for it's price.
@lieutent2654 2 жыл бұрын
Love the use of the new red camera, but just like Marques’s video with it, it looks so sped up and I checked if I was on 1x speed at the beginning lol.
@OsmosisHD 2 жыл бұрын
The board should be around the 200$ Would be kinda interesting around that price for perhaps homelab purposes
@Jake1702 2 жыл бұрын
16GB of GDDR5 (or is it GDDR6?) memory dedicated to a server definitely has some uses, especially with such a decent CPU.
@defeqel6537 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jake1702 GDDR6, and yeah with some software that RAM could be useful
@DonnyStanley 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately for this product, the GDDD6 alone likely costs nearly that much right now. In that respect, the $400 price point in China is actually pretty reasonable, but it still doesn't make sense to buy simply because there's no reason to pay for inflated G6 when you can build a system with much cheaper and more appropriate DDR4.
@georgwarhead2801 2 жыл бұрын
@@DonnyStanley yea absolutly, if they had still active some of the GPU cores, this would be a entire other discussion, but here you still need a gpu. imagine having a apu on a board with 16gb gddrs and 12 -20 rdna CU´s , then this would be a nice media pc or just buget gaming pc for 400$
@Toothily 2 жыл бұрын
That a really good point. If it was affordable I'd even be happy to take this board with half the RAM, that would be enough for my purposes.
@rsmakishi 2 жыл бұрын
PlayStations 4 and 5 for the North American and Japanese market are label 110/100 V. but they’re all actually auto voltage, you have to disassemble it to see this on the power supply.
@diabloterrorgf 2 жыл бұрын
Wait is this true? I've been running my Ps5 in a transformer for months because of this.
@jimmyb1451 2 жыл бұрын
@@diabloterrorgf I'm literally only commenting on this to see if they answer :)
@georgwarhead2801 2 жыл бұрын
@@diabloterrorgf did you aleady test it? im just curious...
@0xybelis 2 жыл бұрын
@@diabloterrorgf Every PS since PS2 Slim.
@F1Vettel_fan 2 жыл бұрын
Glad the intro was dark, watching at 7 am and it's dark where i am
@rhekman 2 жыл бұрын
5:57 "that PCI Express slot - it's Gen2"..."that's exactly what the PS5 M.2 slot is" Wait what? I don't know what Linus is smoking. The PS5 expandable storage specifically calls for Gen 4 drives, and works with high performing Gen 3 (from LTT's own video). It's obviously not Gen 2.
@neophobia404 2 жыл бұрын
maybe he meant x2? even gen 2 pcie is on par with sata 6G tho ...but apparently it is gen 2 x4
@shubhagarwal9812 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, right, I also commented that.
@Folsomdsf2 2 жыл бұрын
What something is compatible with and what it actually has is different.
@monetary687 2 жыл бұрын
Leave him alone bro he films so many videos all the time he's going to get something wrong.
@rhekman 2 жыл бұрын
@@monetary687 First day on the internet there bud?
@muditahlawat 2 жыл бұрын
"I've never been up close to a ps5" Linus Gabriel Sebastian, 2021
@catnip202xch. 2 жыл бұрын
WAIT so is Gabriel Linus’ middle name?
@muditahlawat 2 жыл бұрын
@@catnip202xch. yup
@FragFrog01 2 жыл бұрын
Glorious PC Gaming Master Race!
@danieljensen2626 2 жыл бұрын
He said PS5 board.
@Killerrado 2 жыл бұрын
So his middle name is after an archangel. Should Linus be called: The archangel of tech youtube?🤔
@KuntalGhosh Жыл бұрын
this desktop board kit is available standalone for 120$ here in India and looks like a good choice for office pc , ofc u need to buy a gpu case ssd psu separate.
@Sam_995 2 жыл бұрын
I’m most impressed by there large variety of screws
@gamechamp19 2 жыл бұрын
At $1000 for this pc, even a scalped PS5 is a better value.
@gamechamp19 2 жыл бұрын
@@HardTyberZann lol I absolutely agree.
@d4django 2 жыл бұрын
Want to see more Alex making things, CNC, foundry, laith etc
@gmdking 2 жыл бұрын
Jubair, don’t listen to those comments above mine. DO NOT CLICK THE LINKS!
@d4django 2 жыл бұрын
@@gmdking thanks for advice. They are spammers for popular KZfaq channels
@PenguinYayOne 2 жыл бұрын
12:35 Fun fact: the PS5 has 4 PCI-E Gen4.0 lanes which are directly connected to that "IO hub" which is the SSD controller and chipset on the PS5. Those 4 lanes are shared with the M.2 and internal SSDs, which is not a big deal since you can only play one game at one. It also has a couple of direct-wired USB 3.2s (10Gbit), HDMI 2.1 and that's basically it.
@sirspate 2 жыл бұрын
Did they not do the ARM SoC south bridge for PS5 like they did with PS4?
@Gunbudder 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of when i took the price of an Xbone and used that money to build a better system with an APU that ran windows. i know the APU ended up basically flopping as an off the shelf part, but i really liked it
@highintlowwis6580 2 жыл бұрын
"Just like I'm intrigued by our sponsor" I legitimately "Goddamnit Linus"ed
@Cameron0208 2 жыл бұрын
Lol me too
@yashank_singh 2 жыл бұрын
@@Cameron0208 Lol me too
@Ninjastahr 2 жыл бұрын
Just started this and the energy of this video is off the charts, I love that intro!
@shubhagarwal9812 2 жыл бұрын
The editing is similar to Channel Super Fun.
@meric12131415 2 жыл бұрын
@@shubhagarwal9812 they still exist?
@shubhagarwal9812 2 жыл бұрын
yup.
@meric12131415 2 жыл бұрын
@@shubhagarwal9812 wow didn't think they still did been a while since I heard that name🤣
@drcyb3r 2 жыл бұрын
9:54 No, this is not an ethernet controller. Those are just some filtering coils that every device has directly behind the ethernet port. The controller can be anywhere else.
@ilovehotdogs125790 2 жыл бұрын
Woah Linus actually benchmarked memory latency! Good job guys.
@wiredrayne 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like scrapping the chipset as e-waste is better than building these crap boxes that will be entirely ewaste within 5 years with their shoddy performance.
@sharp1993 2 жыл бұрын
Linus: “just like im intrigued by ou-“ Me: *Skips ahead 20 seconds*
@dylandajhharwood5566 2 жыл бұрын
*right arrow key twice*
@tacticalguy6473 2 жыл бұрын
Sponsor block
@j.d.8593 2 жыл бұрын
@@dylandajhharwood5566 Or L key once 😏 (arrow skips 5 sec, L does 10)
@vidhyachan6494 2 жыл бұрын
Sponsor block plugin
@WarriorsPhoto 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting find there Linus and team. I wonder how else it's crippled from the AMD chip inside the gaming consoles?
@TheDooominator420 2 жыл бұрын
According to the sticker on the power supply, it takes up to 220v ac. It can use wall source from USA and Europe. Not having a voltage switch there means it automatically switches to use the lower voltage
@flatdragonfruit5 2 жыл бұрын
You should bug Rossman to solder an actual PS5 processor onto it. :D
@the_retag 2 жыл бұрын
now THAT'S an idea. A ps5 but its actually a pc. A pc with ps5 apu. Can they get the ps5 os to run on it?
@_DSch 2 жыл бұрын
@@the_retag Unlikely, the bridge chip does more than just being a flash to pcie chip xD
@the_retag 2 жыл бұрын
@@_DSch well if you know stuff you could help them...
@_DSch 2 жыл бұрын
@@the_retag If one plays around with that stuff while the hardware is not outdated, good luck... remember the geohot vs. sony story?
@christhiele5930 2 жыл бұрын
The editing is top notch. Great video too, ofc!
@kamX-rz4uy 2 жыл бұрын
All those different types of screws reminds of old desktop Compaqs. Lots of different sizes and head types.
@Wren6858 2 жыл бұрын
I loved this intro. Made me excited for a LTT video like I haven't felt for a long time. Thank you, you guys did great on this one.
@Sneakyboson 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks Wrent Shockley.
@christophernugent8492 2 жыл бұрын
I admit, I am still a bit disappointed that LTT did not install FreeBSD on this thing (for which NVIDIA has official drivers for the 10 series cards) for the “full-er” PS5 experience.
@Jake1702 2 жыл бұрын
Is the PS5 OS actually based on FreeBSD like the PS4 was? I looked through Sony's OSS pages and couldn't find anything indicating that.
@robot_madness3164 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jake1702 PS3 and PS4 use freebsd so does PS5
@KillahMate 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jake1702 Technically I think the PS5 OS is based on the PS4 OS and the PS4 OS on the PS3 OS... but the PS3 OS was based on FreeBSD. Excellent choice, if I had to pick a base OS back in 2005 I would have picked the same one. But it's hard to tell how much FreeBSD is still left in there now.
@sleepyuser5189 2 жыл бұрын
@@KillahMate are you sure the ps4 software is based on the ps3?
@KillahMate 2 жыл бұрын
@@sleepyuser5189 Uh, I think I saw some articles at the time discussing how data miners found code on the PS4 that matches some PS3 code, so it looked like the PS4 OS is a continuation of the same codebase. But like I said, it's hard to say how much of the old code was left - all we know is that there's some. Maybe now that both consoles have been cracked people have had a chance to analyze it more in-depth, but I haven't kept up with that.
@witekborowski1410 2 жыл бұрын
Found that AMD... board in one of the tech shops in Poland for an equivalent of $360, and that's already with 23% VAT included. So same price as the R5 5600X, but for (almost) a full PC.
@teldorinst4tic20 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that the outro music hasn't changed. The channel wouldn't be the same.
@kpaul 2 жыл бұрын
I think this video was uploaded at 16:9 rather than the wider aspect ration you guys usually use. On iOS, I see the black bars on top and bottom (when not zoomed in). On all the other LTT videos I don’t see the black bars (when not zoomed in)
@poplel 2 жыл бұрын
That intro was pure chaos
@rootbeer2k 2 жыл бұрын
I see that Linus is planning to be Doc Ock for Halloween this year
@CumpyBoi 2 жыл бұрын
I have absolutely plugged one of those power supplies in while holding it. Never knew it was that dangerous.
@TheBlackFoxMaster 2 жыл бұрын
3:33 220 volts includes 110, you can connect less but not more.
@Plasmatikus 2 жыл бұрын
You can get the "AMD Desktop Kit" over in germany for around 382€
@Acer0c 2 жыл бұрын
My god that intro, couldn't close the video if I wanted to. :)
@Qwarzz 2 жыл бұрын
Might be interesting to use amibcp and see what other options you can bring up in the BIOS. Of course you'd probably brick the board as BIOS recovery might be somewhat hard.
@eugenenalpin6058 2 жыл бұрын
Jeez, I thought I've had my video on 1.25x speed with how rapid that intro was
@FisherTPS 2 жыл бұрын
WHY TF DID U STOP HIM, WOULD HAVE BEEN SOME GOOD CONTENT
@HauntedCorpseGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Buy 2, blow one up..... YES.
@KillahMate 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't sound like Linus stopped him, sounds like it wasn't working out.
@JETWTF 2 жыл бұрын
Plugging 220 into 110 does the same thing as putting dead batteries into something. As in nothing happens. 110 into 220 is when you get sparks and fire.
@FisherTPS 2 жыл бұрын
@@JETWTF okay, good to know
@Frizzy9000 2 жыл бұрын
@@JETWTF would you mind explaining? I really would like to know. AC electricity I find fascinating and I don't know a lot of nuances like that
@j.d.8593 2 жыл бұрын
0:27 Alex: *"Oh geez no! It will explode!"* Me: *"Oh boy! Here comes Gigabyte and their little bomb!"* 😂😂😂😂😂
@gmdking 2 жыл бұрын
Bots!
@LMacNeill 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the early '90s when dual-mode power-supplies were first a thing, there was a switch that would allow you to change it from 240V/50Hz to 120V/60Hz. One time I plugged in a power supply to a 120V/60Hz outlet while the switch was on its 240V/50Hz setting. The only thing that happened was that the front-panel LEDs lit up very dim and the computer didn't boot. Of course, when I saw that, I turned it off very quickly, so maybe it would've caught fire at some point if I'd left it on? But for the less-than-ten-seconds it was on, nothing happened. I unplugged it, flipped the switch to 120V/60Hz, plugged it back in, and everything worked fine. No apparent damage.
@AngryApple 2 жыл бұрын
no it wouldn't, Linus is talking bs there
@cmdrblahdee 2 жыл бұрын
if PCIe bandwidth is an issue, couldn't you limit the available resources to the PCIe bus? Some BIOS's let you adjust the settings, and I'd be curious to see if that affects performance.
@michal7654321 2 жыл бұрын
9:56 GST5009S is NOT Ethernet controller. It is just for galvanic separation and protecting a precious silicone of IC from damage - while allowing communication.
@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you 2 жыл бұрын
Yh magnetics... isolation and also to ensure an appropriate termination impedance.
@sarowie 2 жыл бұрын
but typically, the magnetics are build into the ethernet port/jack of the mainboard. That is why linus did not identify it quickly.
@Thats_Mr_Random_Person_to_you 2 жыл бұрын
@@sarowie not as typical as you may think. Whilst jacks with included magnetics exist they are physical much bigger and more expensive (not vastly but when people change capacitorand resistor brands to save a few pennies per board on your BOM cost jacks costing a noticeable amount more than separate jack and magnetics are usually high on the chop list), so any board keen to maximise space (or have more than one port in a line) nearly always uses external magnetics. Most 'normal' motherboards, not normally lacking space in the IO area (and have less efficiencies made to the BOM costs for marketing PR - Japanese solid state caps anyone? ), would, as you say have inbuilt magnetics, but the vast majority of separate NICs and switches and cheaper devices use seperated jack and magnetics.
@matjam421 2 жыл бұрын
Whatever happened to the PlayStation 5 water cooled project? I've waiting for it for quite some time. Are you guys still doing it?
@joyfuldragon 2 жыл бұрын
7:04
@matjam421 2 жыл бұрын
@@joyfuldragon That's why I asked. I wasn't sure if that meant they were no longer doing it, or if they weren't using that board.
@joyfuldragon 2 жыл бұрын
@@matjam421 Oh, my bad.
@Howtheheckarehandleswit 2 жыл бұрын
Would it possible (theoretically speaking, at least) to tap into the GPU in the SOC of this chip, or is there some fundamental limitation I've misunderstood that actually prevents it from working in a system like this?
@RonGrethel 2 жыл бұрын
Waiting for them to revisit this after someone figures out how to access the graphics on the apu
@robinrai4973 2 жыл бұрын
that'd be a pretty killer setup if it had the integrated GPU!
@owlstead 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure that the cheapo fan would pull it off when the GPU is enabled though. It might go through the roof because of performance or because of the fan, is all I'm saying.
@thetominator6359 2 жыл бұрын
Are Jonsbo cases any good? Since Linus mentioned them it reminded me, I've been considering one for my budget-focused build since I like their aesthetic and they're quite affordable
@quintoblanco8746 2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, they are pretty good. I have owned a few of them.
@Arashmickey 2 жыл бұрын
They look great, most of them have good build quality and use good quality materials, and a few use a chimney layout for decent airflow. Most of them I can recommend, but they all have compromises. I wouldn't recommend them for your first build ever, but if like how they look and you can plan your build ahead, then yeah they're pretty awesome.
@jakeagledaeagle 2 жыл бұрын
Can we have more fast pace stuff like this intro please? This was hilarious
@NormsPotatoTek 2 жыл бұрын
This PC is quite common here in the Philippines since it is maibenben. Usually a quite known brand
@kuromiLayfe 2 жыл бұрын
Think this would be more used in things like animatronics or controlling rides in theme parks as those systems tend to be really really outdated and slow ( seen a few barely able to run windows 95)
@sarowie 2 жыл бұрын
I hope that a ride controller does not use an obscure PC hardware, based on a consumer product. It should be based on embedded or industrial variants of the components. know a company that bought Genuine Microsoft DOS embedded licenses in 2008 for building a medical device/system developed in the 90s.
@HrHaakon 2 жыл бұрын
@@sarowie A cousin of mine spent a lot of time to set up DosBox to make critical systems run properly. Which is kind of hilarious.
@BitchlessNigga 2 жыл бұрын
Mf Foxy blasting a PS5 CPU
@monkeslayer-km5ho 2 жыл бұрын
@@BitchlessNigga Springtrap rocking with ps5 GPU
@makkam7575 2 жыл бұрын
6:03 isn't the ps5 nvme slot gen 4? Unless they are somehow using some chip to use more pcie gen2 lanes for fewer pcie gen4 lanes
@KillahMate 2 жыл бұрын
AFAIK the PS5 IO controller - just like the PS5 memory controller actually - is at least partly custom Sony hardware. This board doesn't seem to be using any of that because it's either turned off like the GPU or absent, I think it piggybacks on the leftover PCIe lanes for everything.
@makkam7575 2 жыл бұрын
@@KillahMate I do not have a ps5 but based on the direct storage thingie where the textures are directly loaded from the ssd and the minimum speed requirements for an ssd to be compatible, I would assume that the nvme slot is directly connected to the apu and not running thru a chipset. But it totally makes sense that they could turn off some io or pcie lanes. Maybe as linus pointed out the problem is in this part of the silicon and thats why they turned the board does not have an m. 2 nvme slot. Or maybe due to some defection not all internal buses in the apu are within pcie gen4 specs so they enforce pcie gen 2 to meet the apus capabilities.
@Cash0991 2 жыл бұрын
Linus responded in another comment. He was referring to bandwidth. Gen2x8 has 4GB/sec bandwidth, which is the same as gen 4x2. Although, I'm still pretty sure the PS5 slot is Gen4x4.
@makkam7575 2 жыл бұрын
The m. 2 slot is actually gen4 x 4 just checked still some mindbending stuff to think about.
@CHERNO997 2 жыл бұрын
Man I remember as a Kid I loved it to tinker with PCs and my dad always brought new ones because I kept breaking them, they were not some expensive stuff he got them for free or cheap on flea markets. Once I noticed the 110/240 switch on the back of a PC at the Powersupply (I was like 10 years old or so) and I decided lets flip this baby and see what happens, this thing blew up and fried everything... I learned something that day I guess.
@lollilol Жыл бұрын
thats an extremely cool and informative video! Thank you
@mix3k818 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing a 'broken" PS5 CPU perform better than my Pentium makes me feel like a scrub tbh
@Tonyx.yt. 2 жыл бұрын
the cpu part itself isnt broken, just the igpu is disabled
@mix3k818 2 жыл бұрын
Tony Oh, I see. Still, that iGPU I think is stronger than my 9600GT.
@Fastwalker27 2 жыл бұрын
@@mix3k818 If it was actually working , it would be as powerful as an Rx 6600 /rtx 3060
@eagle7015 2 жыл бұрын
@@mix3k818 it's not working...if it works it can run games at 4k
@ChristianBrugger 2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos where you go deep into the hardware. Also showing the latency and bandwidth of DDR vs GDDR was very interesting. Wasn't aware of that. 120 ns seems not that much compared to 60 ns. I expected more gains in 15 years. Would have been good to have an explanation there, why it is soo detrimental.
@melodysmithjoshua6196 2 жыл бұрын
I WISH I HAD A GAMING SET UP. BUT YOUR VIDS HELP ME AND TELL ME WHAT I AM TO BUY
@bradc8586 2 жыл бұрын
The off-brand "The Bad Touch" background song around the 6.5 min mark was tripping me up so bad
@ShivuSharma-ek8bh 2 жыл бұрын
One word *underwhelmed*
@SurgStriker 2 жыл бұрын
"we are saving on e-waste, instead of throwing away this little chip, we are making a much larger, more clunky system that will be thrown away". If the chip is busted, that's a few square centimeters of waste. Adding the board-which is also pretty junk when it's literally soldered into place with the busted chip, you just expanded your ewaste by orders of magnitude. Then combining it with a poorly made case and fairly junky cheap power supply, the e-waste created skyrockets.
@leftlink_ 2 жыл бұрын
I dont think you understand how expensive it is to manufacture CPU / GPU. The waste is not the actual chip, but the energy and resources put into it. The Power Supply issue isnt from AMD.
@_Varied_ 2 жыл бұрын
I M a big fan of ur intro. U improved a lot!!
@lukeflorp55 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best intros yet, loved the energy
@dingo596 2 жыл бұрын
Plugging a 110v supply into a 220v supply, the best case scenario it works, worse case scenario it does nothing. How does giving something less supply voltage make it catch fire? Everything inside is rated to handle more voltage not less. Also what? Having a multi voltage power supply requires power faction correction? No it doesn't, it requires a different switching power supply chip and a different transformer. The reason it is 220v only is because it was never intended to go somewhere with a 110v supply. You can make it simpler, easier and cheaper. Power faction correction is making sure the power and voltage is in phase and it a concern for all switching power supplies regardless of voltage input. I like your videos but please get someone that knows something about electronics.
@s3rit661 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It's not made for US and Canada market
@scarletspidernz 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's what i thought, EU, ANZ parts of Asia all use 220-240v, very few products/psu's are sold with dual switch. Most of the devices I have are 220-240v only even big well known brands like EVGA/Seasonic/Corsair
@lands1459 2 жыл бұрын
my exact thoughts, if you plug a 240v supply into 120 best case itll work worst case nothing happens
@exxonrcg 2 жыл бұрын
In ac motors you can burn out a 220 motor plugging in to 110 v as it needs to draw double the current to maintain the rated power. So they could be coming from this but not usually true in electronics
@JtoddP73 2 жыл бұрын
I'm from third world countries and we use that huntkey PSU everywhere let me tell you nothing explode and about 110v or 220v, that PSU come from China and all most all Asia countries using 220v ( the only one using 110v i can think of is Japan) so if you order it from Aliexpress it just not mean for your region just like charger things.
@steveatkinson2196 2 жыл бұрын
hate to tell you 220-240v is quite popular world wide, with north America and Japan being the major users of 110v. Pretty sure European PSUs are normally have active power factor correction.
@json868 2 жыл бұрын
You can actually edit the BIOS for that board with AMIBCP 5.02 ;)
@knicknatch 2 жыл бұрын
Linus I don't know why but everytime I watch your video they make me feel better u have an amazing group I love the LMG squad its cool so a super big hug to everyone
@concretesloth2968 2 жыл бұрын
Why doesnt the apu have igpu? Why does it need dedicated gpu?
@louiesatterwhite3885 2 жыл бұрын
Because the igpu is nonfunctional. Otherwise the chip would be in a ps5
@lordzallen 2 жыл бұрын
should be priced out at 200-250 for the whole kit since you need a gfx card and it's bottlenecked... all it would be good for is like a home file server, which something like a raspberry pi would do fine at.
@killerdeamonking 2 жыл бұрын
Over kill pihole server lmao
@viztiz316 2 жыл бұрын
"you need a gfx card" The kit comes with a rx 550
@yogi_gs 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah if they put price to lower end. This pc will be good for basic use for excell stuff and word. Because soo many office still use cheap old pc for this purpose
@nicht_menschlich 2 жыл бұрын
4:35(few secs later) : showing an intel image talking about full on amd equipment gpu and apu
@keithknows1809 2 жыл бұрын
Where does that sound bite at 0:06 (yeow or wow?) Come from? I here it everywhere and it has this striking familiarity to it that I just cant place.
@DemetriPanici 2 жыл бұрын
Because you can fix them if you download some ram
@jackwhatsnew 2 жыл бұрын
China uses standard 220v/50hz so.....not meant for other places
@RH_UU 2 жыл бұрын
So does the Europe....
@inVINSONable1 Жыл бұрын
So if you reverse the fans does the thermals improve ? It looked like you could flip them around and it would work at helping pull air the right way. Unintentionally that may actually be a good mod with a little modding required before installation....haha
@crystalthewolf8945 2 жыл бұрын
Noticed a much larger quantity of DOA parts lately from several companies. I've had to replace about 4 components this year due to them being DOA.
@GabrielIgnacio 2 жыл бұрын
Tis the nature of the chip shortage I suppose. Companies could be lowering tolerance levels to meet up with supply and demand at the relatively small cost of more DOA or lemon products rolling off the lot, at least to a given company’s bean counters. The higher complexity certainly doesn’t help matters either.
@crystalthewolf8945 2 жыл бұрын
@@GabrielIgnacio Yeah, got 2 dead PSUs in a row from EVGA.
@semprocarnage 2 жыл бұрын
"They turn the malfunctioning chips into other products instead of becoming e-waste" Bulldozer architecture- "Hey brother nice to see ya"
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