Civ 6 AI: “I have something I want you to do to avoid pissing me off, but I’m not gonna tell you what it is until you fuck up and piss me off”

CIV 5 14,742.4 avg players CIV 6 41,158.0 avg players Your title of the video: Why Is Civ 5 Still More Popular Then Civ 6?

Diplomacy in civ 6 is like negotiating with a toddler. Civ 5 was top tier!

For being easier to pick, it sure is hellish to plan districts on Civ6, and after letting all your pins down for your perfect triple aqueduct factory setup, a horse appears in the middle out of nowhere destroying your entire plan

The loyalty mechanism is what keeps me playing Civ 6 rather that 5. It was really annoying in 5 where a rival Civ would settle a city randomly next to your Civ, you had to fill every space of land unless you wanted some random neighbor popping up. 6 adds a layer of risk and danger that a city to far from your capital can be flipped though loyalty, then this ties in with the Era scores, dark age can be disastrous. Great addition.

"Watch this. [Surprising but reasonable silence.] Now watch this. [Annoying logo noises.]"

according to Steam DB, Civ 6 is more Popular than 5, since it has more active players. its still impressive how long Civ 5 managed to stay alive though.

I loved 5's "Art Deco" theme way more than 6's "Age of Discovery" theme. It managed to make the granary icon look like an epic monument.

Back before Civ6 was released, everyone was clowning on Civ5 and saying Civ4 is better.

I love that each CIV game is different

The main thing about civ 6 that I dislike, is the fact that for every victory type it's always optimal to spam more cities. Due to how they have implemented districts, having a big population gives diminished returns after like pop 10-12 or so. Combined with the removal of the extra tech cost from total cities, means that its always the best choice to spam settlers. After you just place the district that correlates with your preferred victory type and boom you win the game. After I realized that, it made the strategy of vanilla kind of boring.

I love Civ 5 because of Venice. I can play in a unique way buy buying enemy cities instead of building my own. Finally all that trading is actually useful

As somebody that has played all civs, except 1, a lot. I can say that I found Civ 5 forcing the player to play tall to be inferior to Civ 4 in every way. With the expansions I really like 6 and I still play it.

I think civ 6 looks good, personally like the more vibrant colors. I understand that the cartoony artstyle turns people off, but a decent unrealistic art style will look good in 10 years where a realistic looking game will probably look dated in 10 years.

Didn't know how much I needed Shikamaru explaining the intriquite differences of two world-renown 4X strategy games to me, until today.

Civ 6 is one of those games that I quickly grew attached to after civ 5 solely because of another game making me realize what I didn't like about it, happiness. For the unfortunate souls that played beyond earth the health system was iirc basically happiness in a fresh coat of paint. And I only remember this because 10 turns in my cities were unhealthy and I could do nothing. After that, going back to civ 5 was permanently soured from that and civ 6 became my favorite afterwards.

Civ feel like different flavors of skittles. Just depends what you’re feeling that day

Me playing Civ 6 on my own: Man this game is pretty complicated it'll take forever to learn all the nuances. This guy: Civ 6 is over simplistic baby trash.

Coming from civ5 were I repeatedly got destroyed trying to beat diety and then playing deity on civ6 for the first time and winning easily made me think the game is too easy.

Definitely agree with a lot of this. I replay civ 5 a lot more but there are a ton of things that I prefer in civ 6 ESPECIALLY the city planning thanks to the district mechanic. It does come with the curse of missing the small things like being able to build a damn canal when my city is ONE TILE away from sea when I play civ 5

I still play Alpha Centauri, the best Sid Meier game :)

Civ 5 is superior because mods are far more stable and you can use multiple playstyles either playing long or tall. Civ 6 on the other hand you just settle 10 cities and hope you win, also every Civ 6 multiplayer we have to disable diplomatic victory so nobody just cheeses the game

for me personally, I feel like I can just chill more in civ 5. civ 6 requires a lot of preplanning for districts and objectives that you need to chase to get research and cultural boosts. I don't believe one game is better than the other, I just think they both appeal to different types of players.

It’s good but I’m not good at it therefore it’s bad 😎

I disagree to an extent about leader ability variety/depth as i do honestly feel having played 1000 hrs of civ 6 with about 500 being spent playing deity exclusively that there are plenty of leaders who completely change the way you play your game much to the same degree that those in civ 5 do occasionally even more I'd say. One thing about civ 6 leaders ESPECIALLY after the leader pass is that there's certainly a big amount of leader redundancy but tbf the game has tons of leaders! So there's room for some junk although it is a shame the way some of them were handled. Where i totally agree is tone, and it legit put me off of playing civ 6 until gathering storm came out and i decided to give it another chance. I'll also add that on top of the art i actually do personally find a tonal difference in the music which i enjoy more in civ 5. Also agree the AI in these games (particularly noticable in 6 as i believe it's mechanics are slightly more complicated especially in the way they interlink) need improvement bug time. It's a little embarrassing that we're 10 years from the launch of civ 5 and the AI has not made big improvements. Last thing I'll say is that given the way expansions changed both civ 5 and 6 drastically for the better i would say that unfortunately it's almost an expectation now that on release civ games are just not a fully fleshed out/finished product and waiting it out with the previous gen games while you wait for major expansions is sometimes the better strategy (at least for me personally).

I grew up on Civ 5, but stopped playing it for a few years and then came back to the genre with Civ 6. I sunk a few hundred hours into Civ 6 over the span of about a year, without playing Civ 5 at all. Then, I went back to Civ 5, and I was blown away! I was always someone who didn't like Civ 6's cartoony tone. It feels like a board game, rather than a gritty "rise of civilization" simulator. On top of that, I don't like how they introduced multiple personalities for some of the leaders like Theodore Roosevelt and Cleopatra. I'd have much preferred the devs to add completely new leaders or new civs, instead of reusing old leaders. Adding Washington instead of a second Teddy, or Napoleon instead of a second Catherine, would have been much more enticing to me. For a long time I thought that was the only thing Civ 5 did better than Civ 6, but then I went back and actually played Civ 5 again and realized how wrong I was. For starters, the AI was actually competent! They posed a serious challenge and were much more engaging to play with. The extra diplomatic flair that the AI has in Civ 5 also makes the experience much more dynamic and interesting. I felt that the combat was also better, and not just because there were actual armies on the field instead of just 3 mega-warriors. I remember my first game back being extremely fun in the late game because it was so dramatic due to the ideologies! New friendships formed, new enemies formed, and a world war broke out! It was nothing like Civ 6, and it was a blast. The whole experience made me realize that I didn't truly appreciate how good Civ 5 was until I spent some time away playing what I didn't realize was an inferior game.

6 is honestly the best game they've created.

one thing I LOVE in civ 6 that isnt executed as well in civ 5 is that in the late game you can look at your empire with many of the wonders you havespent a lot of production building all thoose districts roads neigborhoods etc it looks awsome like a lively city but in civ its just a giant skyscraper city surrounded by mines and farms

What if you think civ2 gold edition is the best civ?

I don’t care how dead civ 6 may be compared to civ 5…. Civ 6 to me is a master piece

I've played 1k hours of 5 and 500 hours of 6 before burning out on both of them. 5 has meatier decisions, and 6 has smaller but more frequent decisions (little optimizations with the card game for example). One major advantage 6 has is the unstacking of cities, with districts and wonders taking their own tiles. Some may find it tedious or goofy, but I can't go back to one tile cities after this and I hope they keep it for 7.

Wait, Civ 5 gets an update next month?

3:23 what game ?

Very good video came away with interesting perspective.

you plan on playing manor lords?

I disagree with your assessment that remaining Civ 5 players play diety, as going beyond Emperor makes the game actively less fun, since it forces you to conform to the meta way of advancing the tech tree and pretty much kills the players ability to do anything, but turtle and play passively until you reach the break even point. ---------- Man how to blow a like into a dislike in the last 2 minutes of a video.

Good point: both games were made for different target audiences thus are different games, even though belong to the same family. Rather than 6 being a "better game" than 5 because of update-progression. I still play 5 maybe because I think it's better thought out and more mature as I am an older player. Old World is where I scratch the itch though, only wish OW was in future space.

Whats your current favorite civtype game?

Civ V 2024: Discovering farming Civ VI 2024: Reaching another galaxy

As someone new to Civilization, first game being 6, I really like the way 6 is played. I can’t speak on how Civ 5 was but watching the video it doesn’t look anymore fun or better than what Civ 6 is for me so I guess the changed that happened did invite newer players

I love slow games, even so much as to purposefully decrease the game pace sometimes, but the decision paralysis is always crippling. I know with time and practice I can reduce how long it takes for me to make each decision, and eventually beat diety, but I'm just not there yet. Civ 6 allowed me to cross that invisible hurdle much more easily as a new player such that I can actually enjoy the depth of certain mechanics, and the weight of my choices.

Any thoughts about what you think we should see in Civ 7?

I moved, changed jobs, and got married during civ 5 - after I had a pc that could run it. Basically missed it and spent more time in 6. I need to go back. Thanks!

I still like Civ 3 the best. Been with the series since one. For some reason I could never get into 5, but according to Steam I have played Civ 6 almost 2,000 hours. To me, Civ 6 is like a city builder but on an empire wide scale. It makes the early game scouting, with or without scouts, absolutely crucial. Those first hundred or so turns I think are the best in the whole series, but after that… Civ V? I definitely prefer the art style, the look of the map, and the World Congress feature. That’s really about it though. To each his own, of course. I know lots of veterans who don’t consider 5 or 6 proper Civ games at all.

This is a very good analysis of the differences between the two games tho

I will never go back to civ five simply because of the district system in civ six.

Might try Civ 5 now, (will tell you later if I thank you or hate you for it)

What I hate most in Civ 6 is that I always feel like I have to play to min-max (like getting points for golden age or choosing district locations based purely on points) instead of playing according to my heart's desire.

Why dont you make more Civ V videos

6 was my first, but maybe I'll check this out. I'll miss Sean Bean.

For me its the fact civ 5 wasn’t on console is why i played civ 6 more when i got a better pc i started playing civ 5

The happiness mechanic it's flawed no debate on that, but its flaw is that going into (-1~ -9) instilled a 75% Food penalty. Just way to harsh. A balanced penalty would have been (Unhappiness * 12.5% = Food penalty (max 75% penalty).

Great video

There’s a lot of aspects from Civ 6 that I feel is good, but just not finely tuned. Having eurekas/inspirations, energy consumption (and emissions), district limitations, loyalty pressures, etc. kinda forces you to explore and interact with the world more (and conquer them, occasionally) rather than in Civ V. The district adjacency and wonder requirements also make geography matter in the way that it didn’t in Civ V. But sometimes the numbers are not so balanced (like loyalty of captured cities and how people go through the tech & cultural tree too fast), and the AIs definitely suck in juggling these elements. The wide bias in Civ VI, along with other mechanics, also makes the end-game (post-industrial) felt flat. There’s a lot more to do: more infrastructure to build, more support units to build, but they are meaningless because by the way the game is constructed, your win/loss is already locked by settling a lot of cities at the start. Wars to conquer them are notoriously hard, so there’s no more room to expand. And without the tensions from differing ideologies (ffs, sometimes the civs chose tier-1 governments in modern era?!), there is no “iron curtain” to demolish (despite the many cold-war cards). At this stage, you’re just going through the processions to make you win faster

Don't get me wrong, I like civ 5, but the stats clearly don't agree with your argument that Civ 5 is more popular, just look at steam charts

I played a lot of Civ 5, and play Civ 6 in every expansion... the 2 thing that inovate in Civ 6 Distrits and Card Policies, kill the game, u always pick the meta thing for policies and destroy the map removing every tile resorce to put some distritcs.,

Imo civ 4 + the realism invictus mod is still my favorite civ game, I only play the newer civ games because civ 4 doesn't work on linux The newer civ games just feel more boardgame-ified then the previous entries imo also civ 6 slandered my favorite historical ruler: Cyrus the Great (Kurus Shah #1) and portrayed him as a ruthless backstabber when he was one of the most humanist rulers of his day

I played civ5 for 2 years while I’ve been playing civ 6 since day one despite its repetitive nature and the incompetency of deity ai. Like in one of my games, Gilgamesh had 2 biplanes by turn 120 and i was still able to conquer him with musket men… I don’t know but i find civ6 more fun

civ 5 mods are fantastic as well, playing with really small unit models, but increasing the number of models per squad, actually makes armies clashing look way better

Saying that players can play civ 6 on Deity after a few days makes me think you haven't played civ 6 all that much. I can see your point for a lot of what you say in the video but saying that civ 6 is a joke on Deity is just not true. My opinion of course.

thats really interesting I played civ 5 a lot, 1000+ hour plus. but i have not really touched it all after civ 6 came out. I did not like civ 6 at first the art style and new mecs felt bad(builder charges and loyalty), but after playing it really grew on me. alought this video is making me want to try civ5 agian.

I like 6 civilization because the game map is more lively. In Civ5 there is only one boring flat surface with the units on it, and there are mountains sometimes, meanwhile in the 6th your area can be demolished by a tornado, meteor shower, coastal areas could be flooded due to global warming, and if your city is built on a river, but you have not built a dam, then you will be suffering. I also like the loyalty mechanic, which sometimes allows you to capture entire capitals without even declaring war, it is really funny

How the hell do you say that a game of Civ VI takes only an hour and a half? Managing late game with 10+ cities is such a time sink.

My biggest problem with civ 6 is that fog of war and terra incognita look identical. Civ 5 has more clear graphics, much easier on the eyes

With regards to mods, civ 6 is better. In 5 playing with mods disables achievements, where in six they don’t. There are so many great quality of life mods for 6 that I can use and still get my achievements, but they weren’t even a consideration in 5.

It’s so sad because my civ 5 keep crashing since i change my pc so now i can’t play it

I hope Civ 7 is going to be the perfect Mix - gifting units (still missing them in Civ 6) - districs - realistic graphics - Helicopter on Mountains - submarines under the ice - climate change And much more I cant list all

I like 5 but I like the district system and making you plan out wonders adds a lot of layers instead of just clicking build

Are y'all not playing Civ 5 on marathon?

For me, CIV3 is the perfect balance between complexity and low skill floor. There isnt too many things to think about, but to beat the best AI in the game you have to do everything perfectly. Also, the multiplayer modding scene is awesome :)

I think something that goes under discussed when comparing Civ5 and 6 is how the district system allowed the devs to get lazy when designing new civs. In civ4/5 the civs were largely custom with the devs hand making each one to reflect its historical strengths/strategies. In civ6 the civs feel like they are made from a template with one district being given a new name and a slight buff to one resource or another but is otherwise the same as it’s generic counterpart available to everyone else. The devs can say that it is technically unique, it has its own code, it’s own name, and does something slightly different. But from a player standpoint it never feels unique, it always feels very negligible.

I agree with most of these points tbh. I started on civ 6, but have since found civ 5 more interesting to play. Havent went back to civ 6 ever since 😅

Hopefully Civ 7 goes for better graphics, as opposed to the cartoony looks of Civ 6. And the AI needs to grow a brain as well.

Civ 5 feels like an actual Civilization game, Civ 6 doesn't.

I feel silly having to use an argument like "But with mods Civ 5 is better!" because LEKMOD overhauls a lot of the Civ 5 vanilla base game, but to me it makes it close to perfect. If you play your hand right you can play incredibly wide and not be forced to play tall. What I hate about Civ 6 is how the terrain slows you down a lot more, the removal of the worker "mini game"/micro management, and the introduction of having to sim city districts and wonders. I really like being able to choose when and where to build roads and capturing workers from city states or other civs.

1. right amount of complexity 2. looks better 3. theodora

I wonder how many of those people still playing Civ5 are members of the No Quitters group. A community driven rebalancing of game mechanics to further multiplayer enjoyment... As you say yourself, You can do some weird stuff in Civ6, but no warrior is going to beat a musketmen in civ5. As for myself, i prefer watching over playing myself, and civ5 is simply better to understand. It's simpler in a way, it doesn't have so many new mechanics attached to it, and the color palette is nicer to the eyes.

One of the first games I played, I dumped so many hours into this and got zero skills that transferred over to civ 6 lmao

civ6 has plenty of fun features and mechanics... and modders have put many of them into civ5

Bruh when Civ 5 came out it was disappointing as hell. Crazy that people say Civ 5 is better now.

Most things lacking with Civ 5 can be fixed through vox populi, adding two more UB or UU along with not restricting the player through the happiness mechanic and making the ai competent instead of giving them ridiculous yield boosts and whatnot.

I really do not like how land ur not on becomes desaturated and sepia in civ 6,

I don't want to have to tac and map out my city and minmax shit with building placement..... I dunno. Just never got into it.

Don't know if they have removed or changed it with Civ 6 (only played it after release and never got any DLC) but at times opponents would kinda gang up and chain war on me. It would cause a happiness penalty which would not go away and lead to loss. It happened more often than not and made it kind of impossible for me to try and win via war. Because as soon as I was about to win a war and do my final push (or even if it was defensive and i'm fighting off the last volley) my happiness would take a huge hit. Then With it being low everyone else in the game would start going to war against me. I'd find myself with no economy, science or troops as any and every war I was in would leave me in this state within a matter of a few turns. I felt punished for playing and eventually quit playing civ 6 completely.

Civilization Revolution on Xbox was my intro to the series. That is Civ for me, but it seems to be an outlier from the rest of the series style.

This is my take on this: I played a lot of civ 6 recently. I watched this video and then played civ 5 with vox populi and was horrified how bad it is. Sure,it is more complicated and "hardcore",however there are certain things in civ 6 that i can't play without anymore, for example districts,age score,game modes,religious combat,loyalty just to name some. Also the sudden plain graphics of civ 5 came down as ugly and boring, the whole map is boring to tell you the truth. Also it's very interesting that i hated the civ 6 leader goofyness but after playing civ 5 i rather have that, it's not as bad as i taught.

I'm hardly hardcore, but I think a big part of why I prefer Civ V is the aesthetic, Civ VI ends up looking so cluttered, particularly with the districts. Also, Civ V is closer in essence to the game that introduced me to these kinds of games, FreeCiv. The sole reason I play Civ VI is that it has Hungary

I enjoy the the art style of Civ 6 . I’d like to see in Civ 7 similar art style and mechanics but also more

One thing I don't like about Civ VI is the districts system. I feel like it overcomplicates city and empire management. I could never get used to not being able to build any kind of building in a city and the fact that these districts *and* wonders force you to waste a tile that could be exploiting stuff. The funny thing is this was sold as "letting your cities spread across the map" but what it really does is hamper how powerful any individual city can be.

Actualizaran civ 5?

I Agree with most of what you say, but I feel like I'm speed reading listening to you. Were you late for an important engagement while making this video?

The “extra hour” is very expensive for me in both games. The early game is uncertain and exciting, but once I know I already won and need at least another 30m to 1h30m to finish I just quit.

I like both games. But i like the idea of building your cities with need of space on the map, unlike in Civ5 where you can build everything (including every wonder) in the (one) city. I like playing on real world maps with real starting city locations (civ6), but there is a problem with loyality pressure from other civs in higher difficulties. My wish is smarter AI so then they can remove the unfair advantages it gets from the start.

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your title is just already wrong though....

6 simply bored me, I still put in over a hundred hours, but compared to the several thousand hours I have into 5.. well yeah, I just enjoy it more and challenge myself early to victory conditions and change up my leader and I can put in another thousand. Hopefully Civ 7 holds me for longer!

Im impressed. You said all the reasons why i hate civ VI xD. Great video

strange as civ 5 was my least favorite one what i would like is an espionage system i dont immediately mod away, and larger maps that dont crash so much

Ive been trying for a long time now to get into civ 6 and put a couple hundred ours into but i simple cant play the game for hours like i can with civ 5. Many things about civ 6 is good but i just cant "grind" it and enjoy it. I rarily finish a game of civ 6 no matter how well or bad its going.

Brave new world intro is top 5 best intro to ANY video game. And C5 has had time to mature out