and I respect your ability to put your son's well-being over your understanding of the world. thank you for being a good dad, Mr. Robinson

@@user-gu6nv2im8e "What if he said he had an invisible friend he talked with?" You mean like Jesus?

​@@user-gu6nv2im8e Not even close to similar.

​@@user-gu6nv2im8e A lot of people on your side claim an invisible all powerful friend.

@@ENDtheFED-it4bo You're defective.

Strange premise... If that's true, why do men that transition to women grow long hair, do their makeup and get breast implants to enhance feminine features? To pass as a typical woman right? Would that not be proving that gender/sex has an inherent relationship in majority of cases? It's a complex argument but I don't think your point is that clear cut... Maybe from a far left ideology, but the overwhelming majority of the population wouldn't buy it, I assume.

humans are designed to recognize the sex of strangers and we are remarkably good at it! It's statistically quite rare for humans to make a mistake but when it does happen, it still does not change the sex of the person being observed. As far as "gender" (what a person wears or how they behave), that also does not change the sex of the person being observed so, there's really no evolutionary or cultural advantage to guessing how a stranger feels about their biological sex.

@@azimuth5620 I don't think assuming strawmen helps change anything either. Just because you don't want to admit gender isn't biological sex doesn't mean it is the exact same thing

@@nealjroberts4050 biological sex is all that matters when it comes to sex-based rights, laws & policies. Gender expression does not change biological sex which, is why "trans women are real women" is a bigoted, homophobic & misogynistic statement.

​@@azimuth5620 Also, humans aren't designed. We evolved. We are born and grow.

I will do that if they act like people. If they don't then they don't get that luxury

@@DarthRane113 Trans people are the same as everyone else; normal people. If you don't get that then that's on your head. Deviancy from the norm exists, but just because you are a lunatic doesn't make everyone else that.

Of course , I treat a man like a man and a woman like a woman.

​@@JoeyLovesAshleyWrong Then it shouldn't be hard to treat transmen as men and transwomen as woemn.

@@ragg232 it's not hard for an atheist to say that people who believe in God have a soul and the spirit of God inside of them and it's morally good. It's not hard for me to say a woman is a man but I'm not going to do it because I don't believe it's true. Furthermore I think it's harmful for society and even more so harmful to the person that I would be lying to.

It's the same when they complain about drag queen story hours... forgetting that in the old days women were not allowed to perform on the stage so all the women in Shakespeare's plays were played by men...

​@@t800fantasm2tbf they hate Shakespeare too. Too many words. So they wouldnt care if the flowery talker got a bunch of drama guys to wear dresses and act femme. It's all the same to them.

Yeah but that was drip back in the day.

@@lukepoplawski3230 idk why it isnt considered drip now. Real hair wigs are expensive af

@@t800fantasm2 I majored in operatic voice for awhile. The castrati were in church choirs and on stage from late 16th century to the last one who died in the 1920s. Especially in Italy where the Catholic church was prime. Some of the castrati were caused by nasty diseases such as mumps. If it settled in the testicles before puberty, the possibility of not going through puberty was a real concern. Others survived illegal operations. The church would provide food, shelter, and a profession. Not everyone had the voice that would give fame and fortune on stage, but they would be cared for for life.

Blargletucky finds a poem writing pervert mocking God? Yep, so we now know it's been normal since the 1300s, ubetcha!

The author of the Epic of Gilgamesh may also have been trans. And Louisa May Alcott continually lamented being born a woman. Wanted people to use male honorifics for them too.

@@mikahbee interesting. Do you have any more info on the author of the Epic?

I just find it interesting that atheists Will mock faith-based beliefs of Christians and then the same breath gets so insulted when somebody mocks atheist faith based beliefs in gender. I go by the who gives respect gets respect philosophy

@@JamesTKirks Atheists aren’t a monolith. Atheists have no power in this society. I can’t go a day without god and/or religion being mentioned and/or proselytized to me. Is so ingrained/entrenched in our society that it’s not noticeable unless you’re an atheist. I’ve been in situations that when I even mention that I’m atheist folks get defensive, like how dare he. …and you want me to be sympathetic to Christians who chose to call into an atheist program. Christians who can’t reason, can’t think critically and who are impervious to facts and reality. Im over coddling religious folks, especially since they can’t return the favor. Just because they’re in the majority. You’re rich, much?

​@@JamesTKirksyou guys are literally the ones constantly insulting us and shoving religion down our throats. But not like anyone's going to change your mind

@@JamesTKirks Atheists have no power. Atheists aren’t a monolith. Some Christians deserve to be mocked, especially if they’re going to call into an atheist show with brain dead beliefs that are based solely on their feelings. Atheism or Christianity. Which Philosophy has the market cornered when it comes to hate and intolerance. Christians of course. But then they also want to coddled to boot. The gall is rich and painful, much?

@@JamesTKirks Atheists have no power. Also, they’re not a monolith. Christians have the market cornered when it comes to intolerance and hate. To add insult to injury they’re also the ones that want to be coddled and treated with respect. The gall is real, much?

I'm guessing you're not a woman then...

​@@captscarlet8793 Right? It seems assuming someone is a woman for any non biological reason is misogynistic.

Thank you!!! We need to do away with the boxes, AND make our language less awkward!!

Can you clarify your argument. Are you saying for example XTrans: people can be multiple things. Same XTrans : I was born with a brain of this gender in my body. And it is done by magic. If that's not the argument you're making it to its equivalent can you clarify

​@@JamesTKirks they said Xtians as in Christians, not XTrans. they're also not correct in saying we think people can be multiple things, as the only people to have multiple identities are people with DID and other related conditions, but the point still stands that it's not consistent for Christians to think you can't ever be more than whatever form you take. seeing as they (or some of them at least) believe in a being which is capable of being simultaneously mortal and immortal, physical and immaterial, these are beliefs which immediately contradict with their own understanding of the world. it then gets justified as "well God is my OC so he's the only one allowed to do it, it's bad or untrue if anyone else says so", which is special pleading to an absurd degree. if you legitimately want to understand the difference between sex and gender I'd be more than happy to explain, but that's only if you're willing to listen and engage in good faith.

@@summerlovinxx He’s not, he’s a troll. He’s looking for a “gotcha” moment.

And he's quad Omni, present, potent, knowing, and loving. Which is a contradiction with the problem of evil and the justice bent being in the book.

Atheists: use logic and reason Atheists when defending a liberal talking point: Trans women don’t have an advantage over biological women. I’m an atheist btw

What is a cross dresser?

@@giuffre714 Usually but not exclusively a straight man who enjoys dressing as the opposite sex. Some do this for sexual gratification while others cd to satisfy an emotional need. Most the the CD's I had met were married men who did not see themselves as bisexual but said they had a fem side which they needed to let out once in a while. Interesting to me that many of them were police or engaged in hyper manly jobs. They know they are men and say as much. They don't have a desire to transition or radically change their bodies but there are exceptions. This is a general description. There are a lot of varieties and sub sets of CDing.

@@rachelthompson9324 "a straight man who enjoys dressing as the opposite sex" But not a "man in a dress"?

@@rachelthompson9324 Is a woman wearing pants a cross dresser?

Every discussion about anything, gender, politics, religion has it's place and time, and venue, that's what's broken right now,,not the discussions, and it's what causes the backlash among certain people. That one simple statement: "Ya want firies wid yer burger?" "okay move to the first window, have a nice day" it's what's currently messed up at both sides of so many discussions today. ;) have a nice day,,

@@captscarlet8793 Whoosh.

@@Paolo8772 Yeah, whoosh is the sound too many people hear right now as this idea passes by their ears. While they spout their identity and politics and beliefs to people who don't farkin care, don't want to hear it, just want to do their jobs and go on with their own lives, just like the creepily clean cut young men who ACTUALLY, just bothered me within a half hour of getting home from work today who asked"would you like to go to church with us this sunday?" And I with barely suppressed rage said "no,, and closed the door in their white shirt and tie faces with their creepy JW bible thingy's in their shirt pockets. Obviously not the time, place or venue for them to speak about their beliefs or even,,dare I say farkin appear! Since I didn't seek out some JW's for any sort of interaction. ;) next time I should just creepily smile back at them and and Say: : "I'm an athiest, want some laaamb chops?"

@@captscarlet8793 I point out that gender isn't always important and you think I don't get it. I pointed out not everything is a social situation; sometimes it's just two strangers; one is a server and customer, where the customer is androgynous and gender is irrelevant. Even then: I wouldn't purposely misgender anyone. Do you usually imagine everyone else is stupider than you to convince yourself you're smarter than you are, or is it your way of trying to shame people into coddling narcissism? Looks like both to me, not that I'd expect you not to act smug. 🙄

@@Paolo8772 I mean, check the jw ref in my other comment, those kids are soooo creepy with their robotic smiles plastered on with the idiotic bibles in their hands,,, thank atheist morals I didn't just grab the axe next to the door meant for heretics. :) those kids are so creepy.

Trans is short for transgender, not transitioning.

@@Beacon80 I've actually had this debate with several different people. I agree that trans is short for transgender. Others have pushed back and said it is merely the prefix "trans," meaning across, beyond, or between. But to that I reply, "Across, beyond, or between what?" Gender? Okay. But how do you go across, beyond, or between so-called genders? The answer is invariably: Through the action of transition.

​@@tomcotter4299So you know it doesn't mean transition, so you play word games to pretend it does anyway.

@@Beacon80 How else can a person "be transgender" other than the act of transitioning?

@@tomcotter4299 By being a gender that does not match the identity they were assigned at birth.

I don't think there's a non biological way to distinguish between a man and a woman that isn't misogynistic.

@@giuffre714 I agree with you. But this means that the whole story about a social construct is basically meaningless and it all just comes down to self-identification.

Ask people if you’re unsure :)

@@mve6182 If a body is found in the woods, it comes down to a biological identification.

@@Celestina0 He just asked everyone on the Internet.

Yes, some are intersex and do not fit well into either of the binary categories. That's why sex isn't just binary. The reason The Atheist Experience gets so many calls about this topic is because trans people seem to particularly offend many theists for some reason.

@@pixiestyx That's exactly my point. It's more anti-theist and more anti-Christian than anything scientifically objective.

@@AaronQ1222 Huh? You asked what this has to do with atheism, I assume because they get quite a lot of calls about this. It really has nothing to do with atheism (which is just the lack of belief in a god), but they still get a lot of calls about it. Forrest just states the science on it. If it happens to be anti-Christian, that's because Christian beliefs don't match up with what the science shows. The callers are the ones who choose which questions to ask.

@@pixiestyx The science of transhumanism?

@@AaronQ1222 You're not making much sense, so I'll end the conversation now. Have a good night.

more or less. sex is the biological construct, gender is the social one. we behave in certain ways because we have certain "oughts" about these ideas, but the behaviors and "oughts" change from person to person, community to community, and culture to culture because they're subjective. nothing about having certain hormones or chromosomes fundamentally changes a person's ability to comprehend and realize gender.

No it can't be.. because they said gender is just a social construct so there is no way a woman or a man acts.. meaning somebody with XY chromosomes and a penis who identifies as a woman can have a mustache a beard race cars fix cars. Drink beers with his buddy watching the game. Hate shopping. And still be a transgender woman. And another person with XY chromosomes and a penis who also identifies as a woman can love hanging out with women and gossiping and going shopping and getting the nails done and both would be considered transgender women under that belief system. So the only qualification to be a transgender woman or transgender man is to say the words that you are. If I'm wrong please by all means anybody can correct to me and tell me why. I'm in no way in authority so if anybody thinks I'm wrong please tell me why.

Sex is bio gender is social

​​@@user-dt7qo1ie5enope completely wrong the video disproved your outdated ideas and definitions modern gender and biological science has disproved all of your points

There is no Such thing as “Gender fluidity” 1. Gender is based on what Genitalia you were born with. 2. Sex is what you do with your genitalia . 3. There are 3 Genders you can be born as ( Male, Female, or Hermaphrodite) 4. Homosexual means sex with the same Gender (Homo-Same Sexual-intimate Physical attraction) meaning Intimately attracted to the same (gender) 5. Gender Is NOT a social construct SEX is a social construct because it takes 2 or more people. You would be your gender even if no one else was alive. You wouldn’t be sexual at all. 6. *Hot Take* you can’t change genders like you can’t change species. No matter how many surgeries you get you can’t become a cat or a dog. It just doesn’t work like that. You can change your appearance, sexual preference and name but you Cannot change the record book. The gender assigned at birth is your gender. Please don’t label people as “ anti this “ or “phobia” that. There should be a place for honest discussion without hate or prejudice. It’s like you’re labeling people while yelling “don’t label me”. I am a well educated strong black man, I have no religion, I am not an atheist, what I am is ashamed of how low the state of our education has fallen. “Love whoever loves you back”is my motto , my argument is purely about the science. I deal with reality. “Truth” are things accepted to be true and “Facts” are just provable “Truths” but neither describes reality. Example: “ Superman wears a red cape” is both “True” and a “fact” but still has no effect on reality. A lot of your “Truths” and “Facts” are irrelevant and can only be used within a certain arbitrary situation. They only exist in your head. Society might agree that gender is fluid but that doesn’t mean it’s correct. Society also sniffed coke and owned slaves… was that right when society deemed these things to be socially accepted? Do you think they’re more smart people or dumb people in the world? Dumb right? Well that means the majority of the population is dumb and just because the majority believe it doesn’t make it right, true, a fact nor real. The only true science is applied sciences. there’s a huge difference between applied science and theoretical science. I apologize if this hurt your feelings. It truly wasn’t my intention

That's the most shower thought I ever seen 😂 I guess sky daddy got no play at all

Would Rachel Levine be considered a virgin

Actually... If you are talking about the God of the Bible he has a wife. Asherah is her name. Atheists are really no better than theists. Both run on ignorance.

@@JamesTKirks No idea friend, never heard of Rachel Levine. But depending on their age, most likely not. Imagine worshipping a God who has never been laid 🤣 Thank God for atheism 🙏

@@ENDtheFED-it4bo I concur, as I've never actually read the bible book series. Is this wife a Goddess? or a creation of God? And would that be considered incest? Peace ✌️

Anyone who wants to. It's called freedom.

no, that's a stylistic and aesthetic preference that was derived from different artistic and historical cultures.

@@summerlovinxx Is that not what a gender is? Gender as described appears to be a preferred lifestyle and aesthetic derived from a particular cultural/historical convention or the rejection of one

​@@fittzie nope. hope that helps! :3

Not in any culture I'm aware of.. it could develop into a distinct enough class and role that it could become one, in theory.. as Forrest mentioned there are a few societies that had more than two genders.

​@@fittziecan you dress as a male goth? Or a female goth? Or is there only one style for both?

Fact, not delusion. It has not been disproven.

It's always fun when they debunk themselves 🤣

Can we see that discussion. Anyway Scottish men wore kilts that would be the norm for Scottish men they didn't wear it to crossdress they didn't wear it because they thought they were women and or to feel feminine. So the founding fathers didn't wear wigs because they felt feminine or wanted to be women they wore it's because that was the norm for men at that time maybe it was the norm for men with wealth and or power maybe it was a norm for all men I don't know but there's no evidence of them wearing it because they thought they were women and or wanted to be feminine. Do not see the difference between that and men who wear clothing that women usually wear because they want to be feminine they want to be women.

When some people don't think about (or know about) the fashion from about three hundred years ago.

r/accidentalally

@catherinespencer-mills1928: That discussion never took place. Nobody ever says men should dress like the founding fathers, you are making things up!

Ok caveman. U have the iq of a monkey

Nobody invented it. We just developed terminology for identities that have always existed.

Sounds like personal incredulity. There's another call-in show that specializes in these matters, perhaps you could call in and ask them. I don't think I'm allowed to say the name of the show here. A search for trans call in show should bring them up.

@@Jebus_Anti-theist Yeah, I've watched a few episodes of that show as well as most times gender issues come up on Axp.

Because not only are those options socially defined but also their number. There isn't an objective binary

@@nealjroberts4050 Oh hey Neil. Thought you would probably come by. Gender is socially defined, subjective & varies by time & culture. Making it a pretty useless concept. Sex has been binary since its inception about 2 billion years ago and remains a core, well defined aspect of all plant & animal life. That's a useful concept. We should just use the useful concept for categorization while still letting people act, dress & express however they want.

-phobic can also mean "having an aversion to"

Maybe learn what phobic means in that context first. Words can have more than one meaning, especialy in special fields.

trans people usually say anti-trans. just use that instead

​@vertigo4236 "The meaning of a word is its usage in a language." Luttwig Wittgenstein

ay men and holly looyer 🙏😵‍💫

There are 2 sexes, the kind I have with your mom and the kind I have with your dad 😎

Yet, ironically, you can't have the concept of gender without someone else either.

@@jellorelic Seems like you're deep into this rabbit hole. I don't even understand what you're meaning, and I dont care to know. It doesn't interest me or affect me. Im a man and my wife is a woman, we had sex and she gave birth to two girls. End of story. I'm not going to confuse myself with all this other nonsenical terms and explanations. Life's too short to drown in this Identity nonsense that most people dont care about.

@@desertstar223 I’m confused as to why you don’t care. It’s one thing to not identify as something another group identifies as but why not care or respect their identity? The idea of cutting off the “new” terms you don’t understand doesn’t make sense either. Like why would you say, I’m gonna be happy with what I am ignorant about and not try to grow? Like that’s just stubborn and illogical. It’s one thing to not understand something, to not experience it, but to deny it outright is without due cause or investigation. There is a TON of demonstrable medicine and psychological information on this topic that would contradict your lack of caring if you want to be a considerate member of society.

why wouldn't it be, he had respect for the person when he knew what they wanted, good for him.

If you find a body, you identify it biologically. 😀

So we shouldn't be respectful of the dead, eh? Gotcha.

@@XoeYStardust If gender is a social construct then everything related to that construct died with the person

Tell the callers to phone into the TransAtlantic show.

I know, I am man libertarian atheist. The trans have definitely infiltrated the atheist.

There are calls about evolution and other science topics also.

​@@chadb9270 So did the rest of the LGBTQA by that logic.

Why don't you call and ask?

You’re second my feed

@@Belisarius536 😥

Which biologists say sex is a binary, and why are they ignoring the existence of intersex people?

Sex is bimodal, not pure binary. There honestly isn't much in this world that's pure black and white, there's usually at least a little overlap. Which is how intersex people exist. Something similar would be if someone said that people could only be left or right handed. While yes, most fall into those 2 categories, there are people who are ambidextrous.

Bimodal =/= Binary

sex is bimodal, not binary. most people appear to be mostly perfectly male or female, but there are individuals inside and outside the goalposts (hypermasculine and hyperfeminine people, as well as any intersexes). as for gender, it is subjective, but the rational way to make up for this is by structuring words based on their utility. the reason we use the words man and woman is because their definitions provide us the most utility to describe the genders that people identify with. even if you believe sex is binary, there are still societal stereotypes and ideas of men and women not being "enough" of a man/woman, which gives further credence to the idea that gender is an applicable, useful social construct. of course not all people fall into those categories, so we borrow or create words to describe those differences, be it trans, non-binary, two-spirit, or whatever else.

Intersex people are either a male or female with a generic abnormality.

So people CHOOSE to live a life of vilification, hatred and the daily risk of physical and sexual violence, because they think it's fun and cool? Are you sure?

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 I want to dragon con and everybody is cosplaying. You do you bro, and somebody like to inmurs into it more then others, you still do, you do you bro.

@@mike13y are you ok?

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 I am doing great 👍

@@mike13y you seem to be struggling to make coherent points, or to respond to comments.

Still do that. Just talking about something different in this call

No shit. We're done. Turn the lights out, eh? Remember climate change.

Because my fellow theists use it to push their beliefs

What? your gender identity is absolutely a personality trait and it's what you personally define it against the traits your culture and experience of your culture present you with. sex is on the large scale, mostly binary at least imo, but what gender identity is, and even what any definitions of those are is completely cultural. I.E the definitions of what male or female BEHAVIOR is, or even if there is or should be more than two is CULTURAL, what is defined as masculine or feminine is CULTURAL! you're mis defining terms that forest is very well informed of and is correct as a scientist. you're entirely missing the point of what forrest is trying to teach as far as scientific study.

If gender and sex are the same, then why couldn't women vote, and later that changed? Did their sex change suddenly? No? Well, then something did. Sorry, but don't be a braindead,l ike darth here. Gender is the social construct that changed when women suffrage came. Gender is how we view men and women. It changes all the time. Look at a picture from the 18th century, men were wearing powdered wigs. Do we today? Was it a biological thing, that "suddenly" changed? nope.

It's interesting that the whole "gender is biological sex" argument only gathered steam when people started accepting gay men as men devaluing sexuality as a gender criterion.

@@nealjroberts4050 The trational gender view has been devalued considerately over time, in every aspect. I found it especially confusing for myself, when I stumbeled over Terfs. When one crucial argument against feminisim was the biological "imperativ" of child bearing, that what a woman is and can be, should be defined over a biological thing. Of course I fully agree with feminisim, that this is nonsense, but the fact that terfs, use biological features to now define what a women is, is also nonsensical. There is neither consistency or the ability to differentiate in these arguments. It's just a ball of "feels". And not the nice ones. There was one YTuber, who used the term "qualia" in a way it made sense to me: That gender has a "qualia". Something that can't be definded or nailed down, because it is constantly changing and has different meanings to different groups and cultures and times.

​@@vertigo4236indeed

Except gender-based behaviors also come from biological instincts, not just society

If somebody who identifies as a transgender woman marries a man are they in a straight relationship or a homosexual relationship ? I'm not being sarcastic when I'm asking you this question I'm asking you what you honestly believe. Anybody can answer this

You're dreaming. Living in a fantasy world of your mind. Time to grow and work for a living. Get married and raise a family. Adult time is here.

Love how you just made up ur own definitions

@@ortology Hahahaha, ahh sweetie. Another of the young & dumb.

Triggered much? 🤦

Bro forgot to take his meds

@@user-fu5tg7vi2z and another...

History says the exact opposite; the idea of gender and sex being the same absolute binary was literally invented by religious authorities who claimed gender roles were divinely mandated. European Christian missionaries in particular are responsible for forcing their ideas of gender roles on other cultures they colonized.

Your ignorance and incredulity are not facts.

it's meaningless in the sense that it isn't a physical object and is instead an abstract concept, but that doesn't mean it's literally useless. it's really funny that you think "transgenderism" is holding us back (the correct phrasing is "being trans" by the way) when you seem to not understand that the concept of gender itself has played a major role in shaping societies for literal centuries if not millennia.

I’d love to live in a genderless society, but we don’t. Gender is still a useful concept, and that means transgender is also still a useful concept.

@@summerlovinxx Yes, and religion has played a major role in shaping societies for millennia, and it's not a good thing either. You made a claim about it not being useless but offered no evidence to defend it. Why add the extra steps and limit people's social freedom by trying to put them into little boxes? Also, "Being trans" is how I would describe an individual, not the entire concept of transgenderism.

You are confused on what constitutes emotion, and what constitutes logic, unfortunately. Gender is, ultimately, nothing. It *is* entirely what we have constructed, socially. The reason the titles align, as you've said, is *because* we've prescribed the social expectations to tie in with an archaic conception of biology in the past, which is preserved in how we describe the world through language; it would be irrational to hold gender to necessarily align with sex based on such reasoning, because it is ultimately circular, based on an unfounded assumption of its own premises. "Binary, biologically derived gender" is able to be understood as a prescription, precisely *because* it does not hold to be true, nor reliable, with the understanding that we today possess (alongside various historical cultures). Therefore, in a culture that retains our restrictive conceptions of these categories ("male", "female", "man", "woman"), the only way to actually fix this archaic imposition is to decouple the association between sex and gender, which necessitates "transgenderism", as you put it. Rather than holding society back from some genderless utopia, it is the natural step towards it, as we decouple social prescription from our outdated notions of biological essentialism. Gender *isn't* observable, and was never observable, even before transgender people gained in prominence over the last century. We were only deluded into thinking that it was simple and observable, *by* our cultural enforcement of a strict binary, and of the idea that sex and gender are intrinsically linked. You seem to want, yourself, possibly to lean into this unlabeled freedom. "Be who you want to be, don't slap a meaningless title onto it"; I think that's wonderful, and you should pursue that, should it make you happy :]

​​@@Tommygun1998I didn't offer any serious defense of gender because I wasn't under the impression that you're coming at this with good faith. gender isn't "just restricting people into boxes", it's giving people words for things they couldn't explain beforehand. if you genuinely feel trapped by gender, that needs to be something you talk about with a person you trust or a therapist, not what you shadowbox in a KZfaq comment section. and to lay it to rest, "transgenderism" is a term used by the transphobes to scare people out of letting others identify in ways they don't understand or agree with. there is no such thing as real transgenderism, if you happen to realize that you're trans or whatever then that's all you did, and if you realize later that you're not then that's fine too. no one is forcing anyone else to be trans, which is why I take such issue with the term.

Cool story, bro 🥱

I choose the abyss 😀

Spirit_Alive, so what version of Christianity do you happen to believe in?

That wasn't Jesus that pulled you out, it was Satan. Satan is actually the good guy, and you were not in hell, you were in heaven with the despotic gh0d that resides there. Hell is the good place, and all the cool people are there, like Anne Frank and Einstein, while heaven is the bad place with Hitler, Dahmer and all the pdf file priests that passed on.

Story needs work OP, I wasn’t invested in it. 🥱

"the concept of “gender roles” as we know them really only came about 50 years ago" Yeah... only if your historical knowledge goes about 50 years back. "Any condition in which there is a disconnect between the perceptions of the brain and reality is simply a dissociative disorder." So, if you don't accept the reality of people being trans, that means that you are delusional? Somewhat harsh, I would say that those people are ignorant, but hey, if you think that. "but when 90% (number is hard to nail down) of people agree with the traditional format of their “gender” and what physical characteristics they have at birth" Again, you seem to be really small minded: Our western view of gender, is actually the minority! Does that say anything, about it being wrong? Nope! You are not half as smart as you think you are...

So the 800 year old poem I posted, is from less than 50 years ago? And the (at least) 900 year old concept of "hijra" on the Indian subcontinent, what? Doesn't exist? And when did you get your psychology doctorate? Was it from Echo Chamber University?

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Don't forget the Talmud, which is over two thousand years old.

“a disconnect between the perceptions of the brain and reality” does NOT describe gender dysphoria at all. dysphoria describes a sort of distress that comes from a persons accurate perception of their appearance. being trans isn’t a “dissociative disorder”, you’re just making that up

​@@vertigo4236 It's interesting that they used the figure of 50 years because that's roughly when the West started to become more accepting of gay men as men and people found it harder to use sexuality when defining gender.

This just in: women do not have eyebrows! A breaking development in outdated biological essentialism, more at 11.

This ridge along the brow is prominent in males and much smoother in females. As this ridge lies above the eyes (orbits) this structure is known as the supraorbital ridge

This is a very eurocentric and Christian entric stance. Multiple global languages have zero gender. 🙃

@@ebikescrapper3925 You're gonna be shocked when you find out about bimodal distribution tendencies lmao

Grammar is language. Anatomy is biology. The study I mentioned happened. People have the right to believe and not believe in any ideology they want. Grammar, biology and the study I mentioned do not have religious overtones

that's what non-binary means I believe.

Sex does not dictate gender. I wonder how you can be confused on this. If it truly did, we wouldn’t even need to have this discussion.

Sorry it doesn't

@@moonshoes11 We really don't need to have it.

@@Bucsfan033 That isn't a real thing. We are all made up of feminine and masculine traits, so in theory we are all non binary under that definition.

Then you don't know what "gender" means.

Then I'd say that your sentence doesn't make sense.

@@ragg232 why can’t my gender identify as a sex?

@@Beacon80 I don’t think you do

@@WarriorOfEden3033 Because concepts can't assign identities to themselves. They're not sapient beings with existences unto themselves.

So what? Did dinosaurs not exist before scientists gave them that name?

Language is descriptive, not prescriptive

​@@ragg232 You seem smart. Are you aware of a non biological definition of woman that isn't misogynistic?

@@giuffre714 I don't think so. What is it?

@@ragg232 I haven't found one yet.

You should become a proper skeptic and then try on some empathy.

true

@@moonshoes11 the fuck you talking about?

Isn't Forrest a biology major or something? Isn't he extra qualified to talk about this stuff?

He's a literal biologist. This is not "woke shit". This is LITERAL BIOLOGY.

I already did: A woman is an adult human who feels dysphoria if forced to present as male and/or feels euphoria when presenting as female.

You still havent given evidence that non biological definitions are misogynistic

As "woman" is the language we use today for the gender, your question is a bit nonsensical. As the gender is not only constantly changing, but also clearly different between cultures. So definitions aren't shared. I could go with: Someone who presents themself as a woman. It's like if you ask, what is breakfast? It depents on the person, the times, the culture. A meal you eat in the morning, a buttered toast, cerals. Sorry, but some things are a bit more individual, than you might think.

@@Beacon80 Female is a biological term. I asked for a non biological definition. And you can be a woman without feeling euphoria.

@@vertigo4236 No need to apologize. You're making my point for me. We are all individuals. So to identify as half of the Earth is nonsensical. You should only identify as yourself. It's the reason you carry ID.

"If sex and gender aren't always supposed to align then why are people having surgery to attempt to make them align?" No-one says, that they do or don't, "always" have to align. That is a strawman. You are aware that the overwhelming majority of gender affirming surgery, is done by people who's gender is their birth sex? Male hair transplants, anyone? I get the strong impression the only one sitting one the sideline, patting themself on the back, is you trying here...

Because you don't understand biology. Biology simply "is" - it doesn't have any intent. Our sex is an overall norm that is fluid as well because there are very few actual physiological differences that define a sex-based difference; it is all about biological function and biology doesn't care if that gets called "male", "female", "potato" or "flabbelskabbel" - biology simply is. So when our brains have the same biological signals but get messed up when they align themselves differently to societal norms, that's when someone is trans. This is why gender is a societal social construct loosely based on neurochemistry as it aligns itself with a perceived norm that has psychological impacts derived from neurochemistry, overall biochemistry, and how societal norms affect us both from a physical and psychological perspective. Safe to say ... anyone who claims that the science behind this is on par with "third-grade biology" doesn't understand a thing that they are talking about. People are trying to correct things because people are people, we want to live our own lives and feel comfortable in our own bodies. In no other field of medicine this is questioned, but because people listen to politicians trying to scare people ... trans people get treated differently and unfairly. Just let people be people; one doesn't need to understand the insanely complicated science if one opts for that mantra instead.

What these guys said.

So you're just gonna deny what the man said? How is asking a simple FOLLOW UP QUESTION a strawman? If I was just trolling and got a reply like yours then I certainly WOULD be patting myself on the back!

@@ArgentumEmperio Sex is biology while gender isn't, I get it! The whole point of gender-affirming care is that people don't feel comfortable in their own bodies! I'm just pointing out that the man said something stupid and does NOT help the trans cause! I feel like I'm one of the FEW who have their eye on the ball while other well-intentioned people (the irony!) are really just FEEDING THE RIGHT WING NARRATIVE!!! "Don't say this, don't say that..." Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are kinda related. You can't demand it one moment and deny it the next!!!

if my language didn't have a word for apple, does that mean apples don't exist? or does that mean there's a language gap that needs to be filled? lest we forget that ideas like gravity, germs, and atoms themselves used to not exist at certain points in our societies. weak, non-functional argument.

Could those languages be products of ignorant cultures?

There are plenty of things languages don't have words for. Doesn't mean they aren't true. Also, things are called differently in science than they are in English. Are you saying everything in science isn't true because we don't use English to name them? Learn what science is.

Lol yikes dude

If that’s true, then those languages need to change to fit reality, not the other way around.

But gametes aren't the sole criteria for biological sex so 🤷

​@@nealjroberts4050 Gametes are primary criteria for biological sex, secondary criteria are just that.

that’s not exactly true tho. binary means you can only pick between one of two options. there’s no room for “either, neither, or both” when it comes to binaries, but those possibilities exist with gametes

​@@aaabbc379 You don't pick. Your father's genes decided when you were a fetus if you would produce sperm or ova. No human has ever produced both, many have produced neither, but usually due to premature death or congenital deformity. Sprtm or egg - that's it.

@@aaabbc379 You don't pick. Your father's genes decided when you were a fetus if you would produce sperm or ova. No human has ever produced both, many have produced neither, but usually due to premature death or congenital deformity. Sperm or egg - that's it.

A few critiques on your few critiques 1. Taken out of context, and also not what he said. 2. Words have more than 1 meaning, and usage changes over centuries. 3. When you embody a gender role, that is your gender. 4. Not even sex is binary. There are binary gametes, but humans are not their gametes, and there are people who are unable to produce and, and others who produce both, meaning that if this is used as the definition, there MUST be at least 4. Gender is even less binary - there are even existing cultures and languages where there are more than 2 genders. 5. He didn't say that gender dysphoria is social. Not even close. 6. See 2. 7. See 2, 3 and 4. 8. Only for people who are using it in an exclusionary manner. 9. No, it isn't, because "gender" isn't talking about the "biology". 10. Try defining "sex" in a way that includes ALL people, including ALL interested in ONLY 2 buckets. You WILL fail. Go on, try. 11. People have an INTERNAL, underlying gender, formed by the effect of hormones on fetal brain development, that draws them to embody the _socially constructed,_ EXTERNALLY represented gender roles of the society that they are in. It is a little confusing when it is new. It becomes MORE confusing when you refuse to listen or learn. Please try listening with an open mind.

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 1. He literally said the term was "bullshit" and then ordered (sorry, I should probably say "encouraged") him not to use it. How am I supposed to take that? (I also have a sneaking suspicion I know why he does not like the term.) 2. The vast majority of English-speaking civilization use them as synonyms. You do not even have a functional definition of what gender is in this context. Usage does not change like that. 3. Since you do not have a functional definition for gender, this is invalid and not how gender works anyway. 4. This was debunked years ago. Just because people like yourself keep saying this does not mean that it was not debunked. So, binary gametes = binary sexes/genders. "...humans are not their gametes..." Well, every human was made when two gametes joined together. So on top of being a strange thing that I did not say, it is also technically incorrect. I am aware of people who are unable to produce gametes, like prepubescent boys and postmenopausal women. No individual person has EVER produced both, and it would not be an additional sex even if it did happen. You do not seem to know what sex means in general. Sex is binary. Gender is sex. So, by the transitive property, gender is binary. "...languages where there are more than two genders." I know. We are using one right now. English has four genders. But now you are conflating the grammatical definition with...whatever it is you think gender is. Also the thing about other cultures is a myth. 5. I did not say he said that. But gender dysphoria is the root of the problem. He said gender is social, but gender dysphoria is mental. It is a profound dissatisfaction with one's gender. How can one be dysphoric about a social construct? 6. Debunked 7. Debunked, debunked, and debunked 8. Apparently you do not understand why gender/sex is exclusionary. 9. As I established earlier, gender is biological. Thus, those statements are biologically incorrect. And that is okay because of freedom of speech. 10. Either of two categories, each denoting a prospective role in anisogamous reproduction. Or you could open up a dictionary. I am confident that you do not have a better one. 11. You say gender is internal, Forrest says it is social. You call the social construct "gender role" while Forrest just calls it "gender". You need to get your definitions in order. I just defined sex for you. Can you define gender for me? I have given no indication that I am confused about anything. A vocal minority is trying to convince me to change definitions because its belief will not take hold otherwise.

@@AnthonyBSusan 1. How? Listen to ALL of what he said. 2. Argument from popularity fallacy. And you really should try making use of a dictionary. 3. See 2. 4. Debunked? "No individual ever"? Citation: *Bayraktar, Zeki. "Potential autofertility in true hermaphrodites." The Journal of Maternal-Fetal & Neonatal Medicine (2018).* _"...In fact, both ovulation and spermatogenesis were detected in some cases. All of these findings show that true hermaphrodites with ovarian and testicular tissues are potentially autofertile."_ 5. Gender dysphoria ≠ transgenderism. Try to understand the thing you making claims about. 6. Fail. 7. Fail. Fail. Fail. 8. Apparently you are incapable of backing up your claim. 9. No, you make a claim that is not supported my the overwhelming concensus is medical professionals, relevant scientists, or the peer reviewed literature. 10. Fails to include all people who are intersex, or the "true hermaphrodites" I proved exist, above. 11. Try responding to what I wrote, rather than cherry picking fragments out of context.

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 1. I quoted him. What else am I supposed to take from that? 2. I literally stated earlier that every dictionary indicates that they are synonyms. I even compiled a bunch of these sources and pinned them on my Twitter feed. 3. Again, invalid 4. That article was talking about mammals in general. It is not clear if that particular passage was referring to humans. 5. Without gender dysphoria, what is the point of transgenderism? 8. Gender/sex is about classification into categories. This is inherently exclusionary. 9. Gender is biological. If it were social, it would be out of the scope of science, thus all those professionals and scientists would not have a "consensus". "...supported my the overwhelming..."Also, authority fallacy. 10. No, it does not. I like that you put "true hermaphrodites" in quotes. 11. I...did. But now I see you are avoiding my questions. Can you define gender?

@@AnthonyBSusan 1. Include the context: Caller: _"... someone called in and they were talking about transgenderism and they phrased it as _*_not being the gender of your biological sex_*_ and you objected to that phrasing by saying there is no gender of a sex because sex and gender are different so there's no gender of a sex. l was just kind of confused because..."_ 👈 *This is the context. This is what he was talking about - he was answering the caller's question about the "gender of your biological sex".*

The biology says that sex and gender aren't the same thing.

@@Beacon80 I don't think so!

​@@deniss2623Science doesn't care what you think.

@@Beacon80 And facts don't care about your feelings.

@@deniss2623 True. But they also agree with me. 😘

Citation needed.

What do you think gender affirming care is for minors?

Au contraire. It’s pretty clear that trans minors who are supported in their social transition are less stressed and lead happier lives. So it’s a good thing.

Well, OP is as wrong as it’s humanly possible to be, so congratulations I guess.

If that's a question then the answer is that there is scientific support that gender affirming care for minors is a good thing. That's why said gender affirming care exists.

Spam.

cool story

"The definition of trans is very easy. It’s a prefix that means not whatever follows." Citation needed.

Yet another Dunning-Kruger "expert". Thanks for your opinion, but I'll go with the actual experts, their >500,000 peer reviewed journal articles and their ability to empirically identify transgenderism using MRI scans.

So a transatlantic flight is a not Atlantic flight? 🤣

​@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2So trans people should only be able to legitimately identify out of their assigned gender if they have brain patterns that support it? 🤔

Definition of trans- prefix from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary trans- prefix /trænz/, /træns/ /trænz/, /træns/ ​(in adjectives) across; beyond transatlantic transcontinental ​(in verbs) into another place or state transplant transform Yeah... Maybe the prefix trans has diffrend meanings, depending on the context. But chad here is not a thinker. Btw. No trans person thinks that they change their biological sex. That's why they change their GENDER. Sometime in the future, we will for sure be capable of making a full on sex change, but for now, we can't.

Yes, religion can really mess kids up.

Any ideology can mess kids up

I am sorry science seems overcomplicated to you but that is not the problem of science, that is a you problem.

It's OK to be simple, but it's not OK to be simple-minded. Stop enforcing your opinions on others it's weird

Do point to all your studies showing that kids get "really fucked up by this", I'm sure you must have a ton

Show either Catholics or Southern Baptists or both for starters. Once you have both those groups on the same page. Then get all the other Christians on the right page. Then the Muslims. Then other believers . Then you can start on the nonbelievers. Until you do the first, you are wasting your time.

(Magic words in bio)

When you have REAL EVIDENCE you just show it; you don't bull crap like "sincere seekers only" 2+2 = 4 and Gravity don't give diddly squat about the state of the "seeker" LOLZ

@@stephenolan5539 I said no troll responses.

@@markweber4776 I said no troll responses.

plenty of people do, Ron. not a huge fan of seeing grown adults throw tantrums over basic words.

@@summerlovinxx Never heard of free speech then. You, just a fan of name calling. How pathetic.

​@@ronwhitehouse23 I never said you're not allowed to do it, Ron, I just think it makes you look like a manchild. also funny how you say you don't like name calling after mentioning freedom of speech. just 'cause you don't like it doesn't mean it ain't true.

Considering you're shouting if looks like you do.

​@@ronwhitehouse23Pardon me, ma'am, but you sound like one of those that relishes free speech if it means you can say the n word, but not for what it's actually for, protesting your government. You're probably one of those thin blue line boot lickers, too, arent you, ma'am?

The hate-filled bigots on this vid, are like fleas on a camel.

Bro, this comment is kinda creepy. Wtf

@Hln20015 correct. Hate is hate.

@Hln20015 I'm glad that I'm not you, also.

This toolbag comments the same thing over and over

Not even close.

so you think entire genders are harmful?! or are you just another mindless fool who drools on while Fox News runs in the background and parrots all their talking points? turns out your "anorexic" child is anorexic because you refuse to feed them properly cooked food and they're tired of getting sick. you wonder why they'd want to eat at tables being served by people who actually know how to cook, then get mad at others for you yourself refusing to learn the culinary basics. do you see how this might cause a vicious cycle where others are constantly more equipped than you and yet you continue to dig your heels in deeper?

Nope. One is disphoria, the other is dismorphia

Good analogies are hard.

Wow... Just 🤦 Anorexia is a *_pathological_** thought pattern* that leads to "unlife". The ONLY effective treatment is to break the pattern of thought. Transgenderism is caused by the underlying structures of the brain, as formed in the womb, and is harmful to people with it _when fighting against it,_ (and is significantly exacerbated by people like YOU). The ONLY treatment is to ACCEPT and EMBRACE the status was part of the person. *That is, one is harmful when it EXISTS, and the other is harmful when DENIED. They are OPPOSITE in almost every aspect.*

Sin is most immoral idea that Christianity brings to the world.

OP has failed to provide any rational reason to believe in the concept of sin.

Good news for you. Sin doesn't exist.

Think a hissy god that cares what shape of clothes ones wear ... andvyou warship that?!?

@@MagiRemmie Well, Sin is that Big bad in Final Fantasy X and also there's a Video game named "Sin" So. It does exist? Just, not in the Christian way. /Snark