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Why is Zenless Zone Zero Hated?

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It's a gacha game for gacha players. When you treat it that way, Zenless Zone Zero is actually pretty decent. 5.5/10. But so are most gacha games. :D
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@sneakybox7681
@sneakybox7681 Ай бұрын
Zenless Zone Zero boasts about giving you 180 free pulls, but in reality, you have to play the whole darn game to get them. It's like saying you'll get a free meal but having to cook it yourself - bait advertising at its finest!
@k-off7510
@k-off7510 Ай бұрын
thats the usual gacha ads ain't it??
@andynow-uu1mr
@andynow-uu1mr Ай бұрын
It is more of a salary disguised as free pulls..you work for it, like horse..😂😂
@ezpezzy6487
@ezpezzy6487 Ай бұрын
@@k-off7510 not really, for example blue archive or nikke, when they said free 100 pulls they mean it, you dont need to do anything, just login for free pull. no need to grind for it. if you need to grind for it its not free pull.
@TheRealBanned
@TheRealBanned Ай бұрын
​@@k-off7510yeah it's weird but Kuro still has a lot of people's respect- rather let me speak for myself. I have massive respect for Kuro because they actually gave us rewards and listen. Also everything Hex said about the game is right but everything is based on perspective and the experience of the player.
@GodSejeong
@GodSejeong Ай бұрын
See, that's nothing compared to the promise of having a challenge. Remember, one of their earliest trailer has "WHO'S GONNA CHALLENGE" catchphrase implying the presence of challenge instead of "WE'RE DAMN CASUAL FRIENDLY WE AUTOPARRY".
@shinzo7166
@shinzo7166 Ай бұрын
180 free pulls that was a biggest cap and lie😂😂
@tyriqueadams4326
@tyriqueadams4326 Ай бұрын
they just proving they want to beat wuwa with giving away pulls
@unloyal4847
@unloyal4847 Ай бұрын
@@gamerbeast3616 Ahuh, if you put it on laymans sure, if that was really the case then genshin/wuwa would be advertised to have had 300+pulls for free
@kurotsuki12
@kurotsuki12 Ай бұрын
The funny part is that just for the sake of not making fake advertisement, on their live stream for like 3 second they put a img that say in big words words, FREE 100 PULLS, and then on a smaller words, playing the game to get UP TO 100 pulls lmao, scummy af.
@thesoffen48
@thesoffen48 Ай бұрын
This is the same false advertising that all mobile games do.
@NiaTheMilkTank
@NiaTheMilkTank Ай бұрын
If we are gonna hold ZZZ accountable for the pull marketing we need to do the exact same for almost every OTHER gacha game as well INCLUDING WuWa. HSR also has the same 80 pull marketing but it's just fast AF to get those where as ZZZ takes hours and hours
@motivateddad
@motivateddad Ай бұрын
180 free pulls feel like bad mobile game ad tier false marketing.
@grymns
@grymns Ай бұрын
It's like a company advertising free money but when you go to claim your free money, they make you work instead
@spark9130
@spark9130 Ай бұрын
Learn the word free its a gacha game and they are giving you basically a free 5 star for playing the game which you are going to do anyways and after 3 days I already got my 100 pulls
@S3ymira
@S3ymira Ай бұрын
@@spark9130dude you should learn the word free first. There is difference between free and there is which called garbage. For example Costco giving free samples is different than it’s throwing out the expired groceries. The standard 5 star selection is similar to HSR and I am sure it will take so many pulls to get there that the relevancy of that character just dies out. In HSR I got my whole 3 teams build up where that 5 star selection is irrelevant. Same as zzz it’s just pathetic and greedy. Literally cringe moment by HOYO who is a multi billion dollar company. What a joke.
@UltimaKeyMaster
@UltimaKeyMaster Ай бұрын
@@spark9130 Marketing "free pulls" means they are given to you for free. *Time is not free.*
@abyssenjoyer
@abyssenjoyer Ай бұрын
​@@darkcastle85 if you use your brain, your reasoning ability(which you do not have) and your vision properly, you will see that it is Clearly stated there; "play the game to obtain UP TO.. " . Anyways trash game zzz bedge.
@minamo4012
@minamo4012 Ай бұрын
I'm lv 32 now, and it's better after you hit lv30. But think about it, if you tell someone you have to play 20-30h to start feeling it's kind good to play? Bruh...
@crabcakes448
@crabcakes448 Ай бұрын
I get it, the game is mid, and sometimes we all need mid games and mid experiences. Sometimes you just want to chill out. BUT WHY IS THIS CASUAL, MID EXPERIENCE 50 GIGS, WITH 100 GIGS NECESSARY FOR INSTALL . . .
@vectory674
@vectory674 Ай бұрын
Great question honestly... It's really big and I don't understand why they need so much space and time to install
@DsCrystalEyes
@DsCrystalEyes Ай бұрын
POLISH Jokes aside, it really probably is the polish, the little details, the cutscenes, the comic strips, the animations. They brought their A game polish, just forgot to make cool bosses.
@Kramer8
@Kramer8 Ай бұрын
People keep justifying it by saying: -"It's because of high quality animations" -"It's because the NPC playing social media in real time" Even goes into smaller details, they act like all of these small details contributed in half of it's size, and it's on Unity too! Meanwhile theres WuWa with UE 4.5 .....
@jacktheripper7935
@jacktheripper7935 Ай бұрын
Meanwhile WuWa, being just 20+ Gigas with an openworld : 😀
@syn_chinicity
@syn_chinicity Ай бұрын
@@Kramer8 heard that its because of their cutscene is just video, like not using the ingame models since the engine is incapable.
@rekin4892
@rekin4892 Ай бұрын
A pretty major problem is you dont get to see more of the characters you pull outside of story and combat. Like you cant run around as the character like in their other two major titles.
@vjbd2757
@vjbd2757 Ай бұрын
"The combat will get better and harder once you get to Lv.30 guys!" Meanwhile, I was already engaged with WuWa's combat since the Crownless tutorial fight.
@Satyr42
@Satyr42 Ай бұрын
WuWa was like: "Here is how to attack, dodge and parry. Now go and kill a boss." Meanwhile in ZZZ: "Here is how to let the game play itself. Now go and move through a grid of static TV images."
@GodSejeong
@GodSejeong Ай бұрын
It'll be good my arse. It's just more HP. There's this terrible enemy design in HoYo games and it's HP sponge. I can literally beat the crap out of an enemy for 10 minutes straight without taking damage and the game but to call it a good design is basically like praising a filler episode that comes in the form of a recap episode. For comparison, in WW a level 60 Danjin can beat Holo VI because the Holos aren't spongy in term of HP and because of how some damage are calculated (dodge counter, for example). Tower of Adversity is admittedly where the HP sponge can be found, but even then they're nothing compared to the ones in ZZZ. Amazing how HoYo can make something more HP-spongy than Genshin's Spiral Abyss.
@user-ie7oi2eg8w
@user-ie7oi2eg8w Ай бұрын
This tbh. For sure people hate comparing, but just look at it. Wuwa from the start to end gives you full access to what it's advertised as, and the best feature of the game: combat. On the other hand, this ZZZ game doesn't even know what it wants to be. 30 hours+ of insufferable TV experience before experiencing *better fun* is insane for a game of this quality.
@dubstepforever99
@dubstepforever99 Ай бұрын
@@user-ie7oi2eg8w i think the combat is decent in zzz its just so little of it and there is just way too many tvs
@extrastuffboxofaksakl1k354
@extrastuffboxofaksakl1k354 Ай бұрын
@@Satyr42 dude, there is an even a stage where if you move carefully in tv mode, you don't have to fight enemies and kill them instantly while in tvs xd literally opposite of what most player wanted.
@GleamEyesGaming
@GleamEyesGaming Ай бұрын
False advertisement...hoyo now felt they stoop so low just to get pocket money of children
@Satyr42
@Satyr42 Ай бұрын
Children don't have money. Stop using children as an excuse for you own lack of self-restraint and/or shitty parenting.
@GleamEyesGaming
@GleamEyesGaming Ай бұрын
@@Satyr42 what do you call people below the age of consent then? Turds? Don't go and assume you know people. You don't know me or my family's background and I am sure that you won't care either way. Stop virtue signaling too much. Your true attitude shows being a judgemental prick
@HazardTone
@HazardTone Ай бұрын
​@@Satyr42you underestimate the children of this generation lmao. 😂
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 Ай бұрын
@@Satyr42 Hoyo is grooming children into loyal slaves for the future.
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 Ай бұрын
@@Satyr42 Hoyo wants to groom children into their future loyal sl4ve.... errr customers.
@HKimchii
@HKimchii Ай бұрын
From the surface it seems like a real fun game and makes me wanna get on to play. However, it doesn’t take too long before I feel drained or bored for some reason. There’s no drive for “just one more session before bed” kinda feeling.
@HazardTone
@HazardTone Ай бұрын
That's because of the combat style. The game makes you feel good by forcing things out of thin air imagine just a spamming attack next thing you are linking and chaining characters it's flashy yes but it gets boring pretty quickly. Meanwhile in GI and Wuwa you really need to try hard to be good especially in wuwa everything that happened in the game depends on how you control the flow of battle so doing parries chaining it with intro and outro gives you dopamine over and over that even if you repeat in a 100 times over it will no be boring.
@abdulwaduod11
@abdulwaduod11 Ай бұрын
@@HazardTone its means you didn't play the game enough, once you build your team properly you will actually start thinking should I just dodge or counter assist or (special E counter with ben) or become invulnerable by using special E or ULT, me personally I enjoy team building in ZZZ, where in WUWA each team runs with verina as a third slot
@HazardTone
@HazardTone Ай бұрын
@@abdulwaduod11 no I actually play the game enough. The game holds your hand in combat it's only hard because of shit disc early on. it's the same over and over.
@BladeSerph
@BladeSerph Ай бұрын
Essentially a typical honeytrap manuver. They brag about a buncha crap but its honestly a filthy lie to get as many hooks in people by `basically half-lying` about it by technically being right, but once again forget: TIME IS MONEY MOTHER FRACKERS. So the fact despite it has more then one beta, they only learned to NOT show off the `TVs` instead of just god damn remove it and instead just having walking simulator moments for talking periods or just cutscene periods. Seriously, im sure many would not mind getting the buffs removed from the TV world, if TV world gets removed too because not only is it a bunch of black screens and randomized color spams that i would not be amazed if some people got SEIZURES from said flashie lights on a black backdrop!!! Hell in that regard, the whole `void traversal` is literally just ripped off from Persona 4, except not having the underlying reason why the fk the persona 4 cast can jump in TVs, just have random conviently showing up portals to go into some alternate reality that also have random convient portals that only a very specific group of `guides` can lead people thru them. Instead of having a rhyme and reason why the fk people get into said portals. Atleast in persona 4 its tied to freaking TVs, people get lured into the TVs usually by some antagonist dragging them in or something. Because it has a anchor point of needing a TV to climb into and the conflict points start because the major problem shows up on a TV made it easy to decipher. Moral of the story: Zen-lazy wanted a Persona 4 like style world shenigan except they separated the actual damn TVs from the plot yet wanna have TVs still spammed constantly by not being associated with the TV world, just use as fluff bait to likely GNAW at those who are fans of persona 4.
@bloody4558
@bloody4558 Ай бұрын
​​@@HazardToneHave you run Rally missions? Challenge missions? See if those hold your hand of if the enemies are passive in the missions, most of the complainers barely ventured beyond early game and dare to claim the game simple and easy
@Uw891araa
@Uw891araa Ай бұрын
The problem is . developed said the game combat focus And I don’t see the combat When can i see it ? After 3 days they lied to us
@DsCrystalEyes
@DsCrystalEyes Ай бұрын
My joke is that by this point, they are reaching the difficult content, and it's still nothing compared to Wuwa holograms or PGR Paincage, which you'll start seeing at around this playtime mark.
@Pilotforgoddess
@Pilotforgoddess Ай бұрын
@@gamerbeast3616 Quit being a child and grow up.
@eir3831
@eir3831 Ай бұрын
I am near 30 now, abyss-like mode and rogue like mode are basically same mobs all over again. I quite like chapter 2 boss design but same issue of use spacebar to parry/dodge everything. trash adds are still target dummies that almost forget to fight, but lot more hp scaling. super casual game it is I guess
@Uw891araa
@Uw891araa Ай бұрын
@@eir3831 i stop in 24 So it spam only …
@HazardTone
@HazardTone Ай бұрын
​@@gamerbeast3616" a lot you can do " press left click over and over. Press dodge button over and over since it's infinite. That chain mechanics is not even done by player but it's automatically done by the system so all you need to do is click again. Wow Combat
@CombativeMedic
@CombativeMedic Ай бұрын
"We didn't falsely advertise our game, we just phrased things poorly." Basically their excuse every time, and I'm over it.
@Decadiea
@Decadiea Ай бұрын
Here is something i dont hear anyone talking about, UI design. Not UI style mind you, thats fine, i mean UI design. Why the hell are characters charges/ammo so god damn small on the screen? Why are so many of the button presses obuscated by the nearly unreadable at a glance? Why is there seriously so little feedback on getting hit like the tiny damage numbers? Its not the big things too much but more death by a thousand cuts.
@snowflak6173
@snowflak6173 Ай бұрын
THIS. AT LAST SOMEONE MENTION IT
@latitude990
@latitude990 Ай бұрын
Not to mention, why does the enemy health bar sometimes get hidden behind them? Am I just blind??
@bossplayer_1557
@bossplayer_1557 Ай бұрын
Yea u right that shi small asf
@covaleskih2113
@covaleskih2113 Ай бұрын
skill issue. purely. i wear glasses, take them off and can still see shit.
@covaleskih2113
@covaleskih2113 Ай бұрын
@@doommaker4000 really,
@The_Rum
@The_Rum Ай бұрын
The fact that there isn’t any uproar about the supposed 180 free pulls is probably that most confusing of it all. If it was any other developer, people would rip it to shreds but the loyal Hoyo goobers seem to be fine getting tricked -- again.
@HazardTone
@HazardTone Ай бұрын
​@@yeumuwell their loyal players are dumb asf Imagine telling the world HuTao is your girlfriend. Or breaking up with you boyfriend because he doesn't like Anemo Boys 😂
@beestek.94
@beestek.94 Ай бұрын
They are fine with the way Hoyo is treating them.
@KZt-Ksh
@KZt-Ksh Ай бұрын
Theyre masochist , they already used to the "its better than nothing" treatment
@BladeSerph
@BladeSerph Ай бұрын
Probably because mobile game brain rewiring and Mihoyo probably intentionally left the TV crap in to distract people from other problems atleast for maybe a few months till they dish out enough `copium` to get people `used to it` so the bad reviews have already been expunged by paying bots to 5 star that crap or something.
@jm8165
@jm8165 Ай бұрын
it's actually not surprising, 2 reasons, one gi riders won't ever go against hoyo. 2 everyone else that won't do it are wuwa haters so they won't care. It is how it is. We got spoiled by Kuro, that's why we can't take hoyo shitty moves, I tried the game, the fact that it opens only once you are at end game, after 6 plus hours of game that alone makes it a shitty game. There's a book series that I don't remember the name of, but apparently the series gets good once you are at the seventh book, that's a shitty book series. This is a shitty game if it doesn't get you hooked by at most 1 to 2 hours to be nice. But let's face it hoyo riders won't care at all cause it's hoyo their feeder of protein.
@alain.e
@alain.e Ай бұрын
there is one very simple solution to save a large portion of ZZZ's player retention is... just give them 1 fkcing selectable S ranker character like Wuwa did lol. But this is Hoyoverse we're talking about, they ain't gonna listen shit.
@dubstepforever99
@dubstepforever99 Ай бұрын
yea they dont lose any money from this tbh, since most of the characters u can use at the start of the game will be powercrept anyway.. so it doesnt matter if they gave you a free 5 star selector to get the character you want to play.
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 Ай бұрын
even all the S ranks given for free wouldn't save this game, it's foundations is just mediocre, the MC's story is tied to the awful TV system and the combat is terribly simplistic.
@sylviagerlach2579
@sylviagerlach2579 Ай бұрын
They could give me all the characters for free and I wouldn't play it. The game is just terribly boring.
@snowpools8498
@snowpools8498 Ай бұрын
So real though. I'd be so much more willing to keep playing if we were simply "GIVEN" more pulls or an S rank. The only reason I decided to download in the first place was because I heard 100 free pulls and a skip button, and yeah my interest died down REAL quick after seeing only 10 😂 I don't understand the thought behind such a stunt, it'll only make people dislike the game.
@ninjasaki_7231
@ninjasaki_7231 Ай бұрын
They’re great at making games but they really lack in the management department. I was flabbergasted when the Genshin 1st anniversary arrived and we literally got nothing.
@onion69420
@onion69420 Ай бұрын
They have so much money that they have enough money for a nuclear reactor, yet they don't respect their fanbase enough by giving half truths and a mediocre game
@juryrigg5568
@juryrigg5568 Ай бұрын
​@@gamerbeast3616 It is
@timacorn3636
@timacorn3636 Ай бұрын
It’s literally a success my friends who hate on gacha games are giving it a try and enjoying it
@onion69420
@onion69420 Ай бұрын
@@timacorn3636 majority of gacha players aren't difficult to impress
@beestek.94
@beestek.94 Ай бұрын
@@gamerbeast3616 someone is taking this too personal 💀
@bobbib164
@bobbib164 Ай бұрын
​@@gamerbeast3616you're right, for a hoyo game it's way below average.
@CurryNearMe
@CurryNearMe Ай бұрын
"Expectations has been raised" is probs the best explanation for the disappointment. And its such a shame cause the art/music department more than delivered but the fundemantal core gameplay loop is not there.
@Sync0102
@Sync0102 Ай бұрын
It's a misadvertisement focused game not a combat focused game
@lunosse9886
@lunosse9886 Ай бұрын
ZZZ is what I sound when i sleep
@rezkel7404
@rezkel7404 Ай бұрын
What an original joke that isn't spammed on every ZZZ video, truly a genius of comedy you are
@siege_sensei
@siege_sensei Ай бұрын
@rezkel7404 😴
@lunosse9886
@lunosse9886 Ай бұрын
@@rezkel7404just like the gameplay and story
@rezkel7404
@rezkel7404 Ай бұрын
@@lunosse9886 of what?
@colorlessking.
@colorlessking. Ай бұрын
​@@rezkel7404do you know, that shut the poop hole one is also an option?
@mhbarney8499
@mhbarney8499 Ай бұрын
1. The "play now and get 180 pulls" stuff was the same with HSR too. I got a ton of ads where this was the case. 2. In a recent Interview they said that the entire team was SUPRISED to see the hate the TV mode got since they all tought it was amaizing. This alone shows what other Hoyo games show too. They are so out of touch when it comes to there gameplay...they really think not playing the actual game at all costs is fun. Repetetive and boring systems that prefents you from playing there game. This is Hoyo in a Nutshell. And the fact that they ignored all the critisism shows how high and mighty Hoyo has become since Genshin. They really have the power to do as they please...and thats why WuWa is even more important than you first think...despite being the better game.
@toukoenriaze9870
@toukoenriaze9870 Ай бұрын
I only remember the 40 wishes ads ... Cuz the trailblaze level up thing where you got 10 every 10 levels
@UltimaKeyMaster
@UltimaKeyMaster Ай бұрын
How the fuck did the team think the TV shit was amazing? It's a board game that drags you OUT of the combat for far longer than you're playing the combat. You know what game did a board game sideshow to the main combat WELL? The two PSP Dissidia Final Fantasy games. They were a reward incentive for chaining battles together while risking exponentially higher rewards in consecutive fights, but you still spent more time IN THE FIGHTS.
@UltimaKeyMaster
@UltimaKeyMaster Ай бұрын
@KoledaBiggestSimp "Hello I'm KoledaBiggestSimp and I know what woke means." Also, Isreal are the invaders, I think it says something about one side when literal terrorists are somehow managing to be the good guys on the other side of this.
@mhbarney8499
@mhbarney8499 Ай бұрын
@KoledaBiggestSimp if that is true that those VAs promote woke bullshit...thats sad to hear, yes. The music is not amaizing sure...but it got a bit better in the new 1.1 region. People keep forgetting: You compare a game to another that was done with 100 times less money and devs at there disposal. OF COURSE some things are not better or even worse. But overall...WuWa is just better than Genshin. Sure they simply had to look at genshin and copy it without there mistakes...but Hoyo had all the time and money to improve the game over 3,5 years now...but they didnt. The translation part is an issue sure ... nothing to say against that. The story being generated is just a childish take. Its not good...in some cases its bad. But so are most gacha stories and so is genshin. Genshin storytelling before fontaine was some of the worst i have ever whitnessed. Your KZfaq name + picture exlaines a bit why you wrote some (not all at least) childish things just now. Koldea looks like a minor you know... Please be fair when judging stuff and dont be to "Internet". Unless you are not older than 18...than you can do whatever you like since it would suit your age.
@dappercoat249
@dappercoat249 Ай бұрын
I think HSR subverts point 2, but yeah no that’s spot on
@VimRazz
@VimRazz Ай бұрын
Combat does get harder as you start pushing into fights above your recommended level and don't have the battery power (stamina, basically) to immediately upgrade everyone. The thing that drive me nuts the most at this point, both in and out of combat, is how often the game suddenly takes control away from you and forces you to do some random thing instead of giving you options to play around and try stuff out. It's not the the tutorial, either -- I'm pretty much past that now -- it's random story crap, or sudden chain attacks, or various other BS, and it's really obnoxious.
@OnlyFairyWings
@OnlyFairyWings Ай бұрын
Jajaja is casual man is casuallllllll
@MascrisSensei
@MascrisSensei Ай бұрын
Harder? No. Level up your team a bit and you can clear it. I stuck at shiyu 7 because I need 2 teams. Should be done all the way to 10 in the next few days after I level up my 2nd team
@VimRazz
@VimRazz Ай бұрын
@@MascrisSensei well, yeah -- leveling up makes things easier. By the times your chars and gears are all up to rec level you can pretty much button mash your way through. The combat system is robust enough to push past that, though, and for the most part I find it pretty fun, aside from the constant interruptions where the game says "you must stop your current thing and do this other specific thing NOW", which imho is a design philosophy problem that seems to affect most areas of the game. It's way to much hand-holding all around.
@Abed092
@Abed092 Ай бұрын
I'm neither a Kuro stan or a Hoyo stan and I'm enjoying ZZZ BUT, it's so fucking baffling to me that Kuro the much smaller company than Hoyo with way less capital actually listened to feedback and redid the story (which meant more development time and cost on their end) and you can argue all you want that it was a bad decision or good BUT THEY AT LEAST DID THAT. Hoyo on the other side was told across 3 fucking Betas that the TV system is bad and boring and what did they do? add a x2 speed button and cut out 30% of it and called it a day. Like, why can't they just listen ? Oh I know why, cuz Hoyo stans will gobble anything they throw at them and whale harder than Microsoft buying big name studios laughing on their way to the bank I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@robhans5
@robhans5 Ай бұрын
You anwser yourself. Hoyo listen to their audience - but you are not the audience. You will be shocked how many people like the tv stuff.
@traveleramongstars4600
@traveleramongstars4600 Ай бұрын
I like the TV stuff. It's fun especially the puzzle parts.
@Abed092
@Abed092 Ай бұрын
I personally like it, and it gives me that indie game vibe. However, I was mostly talking about the majority of players not liking it at all and saying that the game is 20% combat and 80% TV which isn't true if you get to interknot level 25 and beyond.
@joaomarcoscosta4647
@joaomarcoscosta4647 Ай бұрын
Listening to your playerbase is generally a good thing. Following their advise... Not always. You've said it yourself - redoing the story on WuWa might not have been a good decision. I don't know about CN, but a lot of the Global players I've seen that watched the cbt 1 story videos actually like it much better than the finished product. In this case, trying to appeal to everyone at once just lead to the story feeling more like a generic power-fantasy Isekai than the intimidating post-apocaliptic world that was originally advertised. I don't know how many people prefer it that way or not, but... Personally, I much prefer it when it creators stick to their vision and come up with something unique at the risk of being more niche, rather than trying to appeal to the common denominator and ending up with something generic. As for the TV mode in ZZZ... I have mixed feeligs about it. I do think it's kinda fun, and it reminds me a bit of older rogue-likes and dungeon crawlers in which the enemies only move when you do. That said, I think I would prefer there were more "standard" levels instead, with branching paths as hidden treasures, (DmC style) and the TV mode was kept as a something to "mix things up" once in a while, rather than the main mode of progression. That said... After seeing how much of WuWa's identity seems have in been in trying to "listen to their playerbase," (Not just the story, but also the general tone and the level of difficulty) I kinda respect Hoyo for sticking to their vision even if they know will have a more niche appeal. (whether or not that was the best decision from a marketing point of view. ^^;)
@a_normal_player1800
@a_normal_player1800 Ай бұрын
​@@joaomarcoscosta4647 advertises as a "combat-focused game". Boasts free 180 pulls. What we got, 95% tv, 5% actual combat. And "up to" 180 pulls, free, but only by grinding and completing the game. Wow 😦
@RyushiroX
@RyushiroX 25 күн бұрын
Feels like the hate's been coming from a very vocal minority tbh
@gericjohnm.olivar9563
@gericjohnm.olivar9563 Ай бұрын
ZZZ released in the worst time possible, because (in my opinion) wuthering waves hit the scene and is now my 3rd daily gacha game after work.
@aziz-nationalhaq6511
@aziz-nationalhaq6511 Ай бұрын
Yeah wuwa created a new standard in terms of combat and rewards. That's why there's more negativity towards zzz cause it's inferior in both of those catagories. I would say i find the story here more enjoyable and they have great music and character expressions but they advertised themselves as combat focused game so they are getting attention of combat lovers who don't give a crap about stories and they failed to satisfy them
@gericjohnm.olivar9563
@gericjohnm.olivar9563 Ай бұрын
​@@aziz-nationalhaq6511 this is mihoyo after, the same company *NOT* listening to their fanbase. Kuro is the literal opposite.
@DiamondPugs
@DiamondPugs Ай бұрын
Yes, it's main selling point is it's combat system, and it came out right after WuWa which has a MUCH better combat system.
@nathan.marcal
@nathan.marcal Ай бұрын
ZZZ would have MORE chance of succeed if launched before WuWa because it would have time to gather players, improve those basic performance, bug and complain issue. Unfortunately for it WuWa came before, set a whole new standard for combat game and root-set a mature approach for character and story that make people like it even when they don't complete understand. For me, at least, ZZZ is like a teenager thinking is good in something while WuWa that showed weeks before proved it wrong, as ZZZ seems like kids-play for adult. All that said is to mean *boring*.
@TerkoizRHG
@TerkoizRHG Ай бұрын
​@@aziz-nationalhaq6511 It's weird too cuz ZZZ is an arena hack and slash game, meaning they don't have the open world to think about and can just go ham with the combat mechanic to make it more interesting or maybe even innovate the gacha hack and slash scene, yet they choose the safe path and just reskin hi3rd (shit even hi3rd had better combat than this) with a bit of map and change the style to urban hip hop shit, and the facts that their combat is actually much weaker than a freaking open world ARPG game is actually laughable lmao
@sleepingrrandom2876
@sleepingrrandom2876 Ай бұрын
Fun fact! They removed the game from ALL android 11's and below to get rid of optimization complaints.
@toukoenriaze9870
@toukoenriaze9870 Ай бұрын
​@@justinekyle28hey the optimized ... Optimized the players out of the game xD ... No more problems
@Es3re
@Es3re Ай бұрын
really???i have downlaoded it on taptap and its running just fine at highest settings wth??
@sleepingrrandom2876
@sleepingrrandom2876 Ай бұрын
@KoledaBiggestSimp That ISN'T a GOOD thing. They literally removed the game from medium-low end devices to get rid of optimization complaints. KURO on the OTHER HAND accepts it and WILL do something about it. Watch ZZZ be permanently unavailable for android 11's and below. The COPE is INSANE.
@Saito-kun_0
@Saito-kun_0 Ай бұрын
@@sleepingrrandom2876dude they mentioned the requirement to play the game but still ppl with less spec phones try to play the game and complain 😅
@sleepingrrandom2876
@sleepingrrandom2876 Ай бұрын
@@Saito-kun_0 WISH y'all said that when WuWa had shitty optimizations, smh on this crazy ahh hypocrisy.
@theivyrosesxd1320
@theivyrosesxd1320 Ай бұрын
Funny thing is that i download 17GB of this game just for them to lock me out of the game because of incompatibility issues at launch. At the least wuwa let me play the game in it's laggy and stuttering glory
@arkcanon1282
@arkcanon1282 Ай бұрын
Ayy, we are the same LMAO
@arondyte318
@arondyte318 Ай бұрын
It’s all to pad that 50m dOwnLoAdS. They probably counted your download only so they can brag about it in social media. They never cared if your device can play it or not.
@naughtguiletroupe
@naughtguiletroupe Ай бұрын
Because they want the download count to fake the success of the game when it's actually a total failure.
@lynkios
@lynkios Ай бұрын
God yes, they recently celebrated 50M downloads which is good! But I wonder how many of them were from people that originally had the game available in the app store and that a couple of hours after the launch their devices were no longer compatible, it happened to me, it was already 17GB, I'm not going to download 50GB to play on PC
@theivyrosesxd1320
@theivyrosesxd1320 Ай бұрын
@@arkcanon1282 good to know im not alone 😭
@zAragami9897
@zAragami9897 Ай бұрын
Double standard fandom Wuwa optimization issues : Kuro game optimization is terrible, FPS drop, UNPLAYABLE ZZZ optimization issues: Get a better phone or your PC suck etc
@SpecialCODMW3
@SpecialCODMW3 Ай бұрын
Fr, They are hypocrites
@IronGiant2790
@IronGiant2790 Ай бұрын
That's not an entirely fair comparison unless the two games have the same optimization issues (and I'm not that aware what are each game's issues atm)
@exu7325
@exu7325 Ай бұрын
@@IronGiant2790 It's a completely fair comparison. ZZZ literally banned lower-end devices from playing the game. Forget poor optimization, Hoyo didn't even try to optimize it.
@akeemnereida6119
@akeemnereida6119 Ай бұрын
My problem with zzz is that doesn't have like mechanics that can make the game more interesting, like fighting in the music rhythm like high five rush, it was advertise as an combat focus game, but you only have to make left click. There's some people that are not able to understand that the game is not hated it just mid as hell, but they take it to personal saying think like it will get better on the end game, that's copium
@why7654
@why7654 Ай бұрын
It will probably get better in the future however it really depends if the dev team is like hsr or genshin.
@TsukatsukiRio
@TsukatsukiRio Ай бұрын
in zzz you right click just like every other combat gacha
@HazardTone
@HazardTone Ай бұрын
​@@why7654they will probably keep that ass system. But I think they will add more game modes as their "fixes" HoYo will not overhaul their system like that I mean look at Genshin.
@MascrisSensei
@MascrisSensei Ай бұрын
They keep on saying it will get harder on shiyu but it is just dps check aka just level up 😅
@majedaw
@majedaw Ай бұрын
@@MascrisSenseitrue like wuwa and every gacha games that existed
@veldinsparx
@veldinsparx Ай бұрын
Yea for real after coming from WuWa where you literally log in and get like 90+ pulls IMMEDIATELY in your MAIL on TOP of a free five star SELECTOR TICKET Going to this where "YOU GET 180 FREE PULLS WOO!!!" log in and you get like... 20 in the mail xD Woooo....
@why7654
@why7654 Ай бұрын
WUWA didnt even market all those things.
@aziz-nationalhaq6511
@aziz-nationalhaq6511 Ай бұрын
​@@why7654it just shows their love for the players who are actually playing the game instead of solely focusing on trying to get new players. But i would say they should have at least advertised the 5 star selector cause at the end of the day they need money to improve the game. And also the fact they won't get that much money from cn cause of it not performing well on mobile so they have to focus on getting the attention of global players
@ithinkguy9233
@ithinkguy9233 Ай бұрын
I dont mean this in a negative way but Them bugs is a blessing
@paologabriel6011
@paologabriel6011 Ай бұрын
@@ithinkguy9233 As they said; "keep them bugs coming" HAHAHAHAHA
@HazardTone
@HazardTone Ай бұрын
​@@ithinkguy9233not really even in early days of PGR you can already get S ranks by just playing. I already regret not buying a new phone back in the day since it can't run PGR smoothly
@emilimia
@emilimia Ай бұрын
Im a classic gacha player and i find those games more enjoyable because while not 3d they dont have the same monetization as hoyo. You can get almost every char you want and upgrade them to max power without needing to spend. Not saying you can get every character but you can get the selective ones you want at max top tier performance. How ever say I like ellen, i need 7 copies with 50/50 and at minimum 1 weapon. There is literally a classic gacha game with 1000x better fan service than ZZZ that you have to be EXTREMELY unlucky or new to not get every new character completely f2p and theyre doing well making 4-5m a month in revenue just selling skins.
@KniveMikoto
@KniveMikoto Ай бұрын
The solution is very simple; play the game if you enjoy it. Drop it if you don't. Always think for your self and don't let others (especially "influencers") affect your judgment whether you wanna play the game or not.
@exu7325
@exu7325 Ай бұрын
People aren't sh*tting on the game because of a bunch of "influencers" lol. If you enjoy ZZZ, just play the game, no need to cope and justify your decision.
@paradoxwraith5275
@paradoxwraith5275 Ай бұрын
I aint gona download 17gb/50gb to barely get combat. Mfs want me to touch tvs for 1 min of combat. Lowkey play over 10 gacha games 💀. I still play the older gacha games. But this sh is el garbo even for a gacha game.
@hnfnamia6605
@hnfnamia6605 Ай бұрын
Wuwa raise the standard and hoyoverse rider is mad about it
@dubstepforever99
@dubstepforever99 Ай бұрын
problem is that there is really nothing to do in wuwa at the moment, i grinded the game for 40 hours in a row at the start of the game and had a fun time, but i kinda feel like i completed the game and just doesn't feel like logging in to the game anymore
@andynow-uu1mr
@andynow-uu1mr Ай бұрын
​@@dubstepforever99free time is a double-edged sword.. I can't even farm echoes, chest and stuff due to my busy schedule..😂😂
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 Ай бұрын
@@dubstepforever99 that's why other people who have plenty of free time don't just main 1 gacha game, they play several since Gachas typically have dry periods in between patches. personally, 1 gacha (Wuwa) is enough for me, i'd just play other non-gacha games or do other irl stuff if i'm not in the mood for video games then.
@robhans5
@robhans5 Ай бұрын
What standard? Dogshit story, brainded combat in 99% of the game to apease to genshin casual, photo taking evetns, hologram being 1 time ony and ont even giving a pull?
@hnfnamia6605
@hnfnamia6605 Ай бұрын
@@robhans5 genshin had dogshit story in the beginning too, and its a gacha game, why make the whole combat hard? You actually sound braindead here if you want everything to be hard level combat. Dont tell me genshin doesnt have stupid event as well. Hologram is pretty much felt like a combat event too, just like how genshin had the boss event combat and ops, genshin is pretty much just a damage check game with stupidly high level hp enemy while wuwa actually needed skill to beat the hologram
@MetalRenard
@MetalRenard Ай бұрын
F* hoyo for the 180 pull lie. Kuro did it right and delivered.
@robhans5
@robhans5 Ай бұрын
Delivered dogshit standard character that already are pointless.
@NikLoveGaming
@NikLoveGaming Ай бұрын
Hex, you should try to give a watch to Punishing Gray Raven and Honkai Impact 3 gameplay...you will see why most people feel dissappointed.
@MagnanimouseDX
@MagnanimouseDX Ай бұрын
"OLD GACHA GAMES ARE ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!" me: *turns on Dokkan Battle* me: "sorry what I can't hear you, I'm playing Bejeweled"
@beasthaven1571
@beasthaven1571 Ай бұрын
Damn is the monster dragon gatcha still around?
@UltimaKeyMaster
@UltimaKeyMaster Ай бұрын
Sorry what, they added a new Bernadetta to Fire Emblem Heroes, gonna boot that up real fast.
@IronGiant2790
@IronGiant2790 Ай бұрын
Yooo, Dokkan Battle!! 9th anniversary up on global rn😆😆 (To their credit, though, they've also come a long way. Remember the pre-10 pull guarantee days?)
@jaredmartinez7323
@jaredmartinez7323 Ай бұрын
cant help but think it was partly (again, partly) hoyo's way of being a cunny and furry bait also that 180 pulls as a "promise for the grind" and not on first open is absolute dogwater marketing
@PsQueak2
@PsQueak2 Ай бұрын
Can someone please tell me what a cunny is? Never seen that word in my life but suddenly I've seen it like 3 times in the past day concerning ZZZ
@zacziggarot
@zacziggarot Ай бұрын
​@@PsQueak2 I thought it was a cutsy way to say cunt
@haruusami1831
@haruusami1831 Ай бұрын
@@PsQueak2 .....referring to Loli char. in general.
@PsQueak2
@PsQueak2 Ай бұрын
@@haruusami1831 I thought that's what it meant by clues, but for obvious reasons, there was no way in hell I was going to google it to find out. Thanks for answer. EDIT: It's kind of funny though that the first time I've seen the word is after ZZZ released, and suddenly I've seen it multiple times. We can draw some ideas about what that means for ZZZ I guess
@Satyr42
@Satyr42 Ай бұрын
@@haruusami1831 No, it means "cute and funny".
@sungodnika3545
@sungodnika3545 Ай бұрын
I don't hate it. when Genshin can make me play it for 5 months. HSR for 8 or 9 months. I can only play this game for 2 hours. it's just boring af.
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 Ай бұрын
@@gamerbeast3616 thats a you problem
@MerkMD
@MerkMD Ай бұрын
Same for me, 2 hours = uninstall. The only good thing is animation, all else are dogshiit. Even worst with scummy advertisement and cash grabbing by Hoyo.
@NomineName
@NomineName Ай бұрын
genshin players waited for 4 years on new endgame content. what was delivered was the same spiral abyss, but now you MUST use particular characters.. wooow, banner sales go BRRR hoyo so good. zzz doesn't get that benefit of the doubt. even hsr has, and always has been, a *have the rate up character = have the solution that trivializes the current content=. I've played both games extensively, i dont trust this corporation to deliver on anything
@gericjohnm.olivar9563
@gericjohnm.olivar9563 Ай бұрын
HSR is peak mihoyo tbh. Genshin impact was my pandemic game (still enjoyed it today), and wuthering waves (kuro) is my *2 hour game* nowadays.
@connor.chan.jazzman
@connor.chan.jazzman Ай бұрын
It just shows how important a good game director is. Genshin could never specifically targets Genshin, because across Hoyos games, it has the worst and greediest director. Star Rail has better rewards, better endgame, better QoL, better gameplay in some aspects, etc etc. It's sad that it took WuWa releasing for Genshin to finally get some QoL and new features, and the endgame is just awful. You have to have 16 characters to even play it? Like damn
@Scatterblades
@Scatterblades Ай бұрын
​@@connor.chan.jazzmanwhat i dislike about the new endgame on gi is.. they literally trying to use hsr's su/du BUT making it annoying by adding energy system and limited character's use.. why not go full su/du? it's praised greatly in hsr.
@NomineName
@NomineName Ай бұрын
@@Scatterblades i honestly think that the answer to this question is that hoyo sees all endgame modes as vehicles to sell their banners and fun playable content secondly. limiting what characters you can use and having certain units be boosted - and having said characters be the current rate ups in banner - , although i heard this wasn't the case for the first itteration of imaginary, i'll bet my left nut this WILL be the case in the future. players confuse hoyo's qol and nedgame in hsr as generosity or listening, when it's mainly created in ways that the player needs a more diverse pool of characters. again, incentivizing spending on banners.
@Scatterblades
@Scatterblades Ай бұрын
@@NomineName sorry, you bet what? 😂 yes true. i mean they're a company. but at least in su/du, you can use any build to clear it. in imaginarium theater, it's like they're saying : "f your build. here i gave you another options, but..". if at least we are allowed to use our own but still benefit some of the character they want to sell, i am fine with it.
@ValentineSolstice
@ValentineSolstice Ай бұрын
Game's fun for me but this is the first gacha I've played that I didn't instantly get the impulse to blow my disposable income on. I'll probably play until I get bored in a couple of weeks and never come back to it.
@zeara7692
@zeara7692 Ай бұрын
if persona 5 met wuthering waves and had a slow kid
@Zephyn
@Zephyn Ай бұрын
I was thinking Persona 4 because it's got the old 2000s vibe.
@nonyourbusiness165
@nonyourbusiness165 Ай бұрын
Slow kid lmao 💀😂
@Bridman_V2
@Bridman_V2 23 күн бұрын
😂
@Mr_DE_0395
@Mr_DE_0395 Ай бұрын
I actually feel bad for the artist and animator or basically everyone that is not the damn dev that involved in this. All that is wasted on a pile of shit of a gameplay. I played gacha game before genshin, and I hate this game, back then eating shit is all you have, now you have something else, even if you do play other game before this, it's still just not gonna be acceptable because you already seen a better version of it already, even in their own company too if you want to be hoyo shill. The game as of it is right now is unacceptable.
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 Ай бұрын
they got paid, they'll move on to another project and this'll just be a memory.
@slayed9875
@slayed9875 Ай бұрын
(LONG-ASS comment warning ⚠️) The only complaint I actually agree with here is that Hoyo misled people about the free pulls. Which does make me a bit upset tbh and I hope we get compensated for that in the future. That being said… The tv thing is not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. I’ve legit seen comments saying “90% tv gameplay” bruh. The tv gameplay barely lasts a few seconds and there are plenty of fights in between. Also there are plenty of games that have short puzzle modes during the story mode or in side quests. It’s a common occurrence in many games. Not sure why people are acting like it’s the end of the world for ZZZ to have this kind of feature. Also (and maybe this is my fault for not keeping up with things on social media) but I never once saw any ads or promotional material saying that this was a “combat focused game” so I didn’t go into it expecting anything super combat heavy. That being said, I don’t feel like the game is lacking in combat at all. The combat in this game is fun af imo, and anyone who says it has “no depth” either hasn’t played for more than 2 seconds or clearly didn’t even bother to become familiar with the games mechanics before throwing a tantrum. Tbh the main thing I’m getting here is that people were already bitter towards hoyoverse (like you said) so upon this game’s release folks were just kinda looking for things to be outraged about. Seems like people kinda had the attitude of “I want it to be exactly the way I want it or I’m not gonna like this game” and I’m sorry but for something that’s literally a free game that just feels like an entitled approach to have. Yeah I’m sure im gonna get some hate for saying that, but I think people on the internet these days just love drama and complaining about things, because we as a society have forgotten a time when we couldn’t always go to the internet to complain. As someone who used to game back on the old SEGA seeing people moan and whine constantly these days about everything not being exactly the way they want it to be just puts a bad taste in my mouth. People are literally playing the first two or three levels of the STORY mode of ZZZ and being like “This game is too easy” Since when is story mode of ANY gacha game NOT easy? Also most of yall are still practically in the TUTORIAL stage. Anyone who’s ever played a gacha game before should be used to this by now. I also see wayyy too many WuWa fans saying things like “why isn’t the combat like WuWa?” “Pfft I’m going back to WuWa.” Lol ok. Fine. No one is forcing ZZZ down your throat and you have every right to go and play a different game. By all means, please go back to Wuthering Waves. No one asked. There’s nothing wrong with you disliking a game but the hate for ZZZ and the bad attitude towards players that actually enjoy it, is just way out of control. There’s no reason to be this upset about a free gacha game. And it also definitely doesn’t give anyone the right to trash on other players just because they’re genuinely having fun with the game.
@tomnguyen7807
@tomnguyen7807 Ай бұрын
dude u just reflect what i feel about the whole 2 factions 😢 from kuro and mihoyo
@ashlynes-c6956
@ashlynes-c6956 Ай бұрын
I’m trying to see both the opinions on this game before fully diving into it myself out of simple curiosity. I love how you just were bluntly honest, got me laughing at points. I’ve played my fair share of gachas, my worst one being Bleach: Brave Souls, but we’re not gonna talk about that aside from yea, it’s literally very “just straight pure gacha” like what you said for others. I have played Impact 3rd also and other gachas, and I can actually see a few similarities between ZZZ and Impact 3rd a bit in style; like the chest drops and how you pick up loot. You gotta run around and get it. However, in Impact 3rd you still have to consider team comps, otherwise you fail miserably. I have no idea if ZZZ also does that, where there’s the low key feeling of “If you don’t pull this character your comps and scores will just stay mid.” As for the pulls part, it is a bit shitty that you work for the pulls instead of receiving them right away, but again, lots of gachas that are just gacha do that. It would be nice if we got one free character, yes, but then you’d still be working for those “free pulls” regardless if you had an S ahead of time or not. My other thing I want to say is games that advertise free pulls but then make you work for it isn’t just lazy advertising or a marketing trap. It could also be that they would like for the players to stay past the advertised pulls. I’ve seen plenty of players and games that install just for the pulls and then never touch said game again because they got bored. There was nothing to keep them entertained. (I’ll admit I’ve also done this.) I personally think if they did a mix of the two where getting the pulls as an extra reward for clearing story/stages so you can save them all up for later when the summon or gacha part becomes available, it doesn’t feel as…not worth it. Spread out the rewards and give them as an “Oh, you’ve gotten this far, congrats!” sort of feel, and they’re bound to do better. I’ve been playing a still somewhat newer game that does this, and it’s honestly what keep me coming back to it. Rewards from basic activity, but also rewards for progress. I can tell by the lack of advertising that ZZZ was meant to just be something goofy and to pass time. If there was meant to be more to it, they’d have done longer previews on it/for it like they have with Genshin and HSR. Anyways, that’s just my thinking, and if anyone has read this far, thanks! Totally open others views on this! ☺️
@Satyr42
@Satyr42 Ай бұрын
I have played and enjoyed older gacha games. But ZZZ puts me to sleep.
@wayasho5284
@wayasho5284 Ай бұрын
I guess you could say ZZZ made you go ZZZ
@humam9189
@humam9189 Ай бұрын
​​@@wayasho5284that's a good advertisement... Why hoyo doesn't use it in their ads tho 😂😂
@DrBagel.
@DrBagel. Ай бұрын
Rumor has it theres a bald man still out there coping saying hoyo games never get better, while hoping ZZZ gets better
@wilhelmusrobben9953
@wilhelmusrobben9953 Ай бұрын
Its so fucking boring and tedious. Hate the TVs. Where are my pulls Hoyo?
@Kekvin
@Kekvin Ай бұрын
Chapter 1 is light The TVs got way worse in Chapter 3. Especially exploration missions with the detective bangboos was 10-20 minutes of straight TV gameplay. It's mind-numbing
@hexjuice
@hexjuice Ай бұрын
imma be real i’ve been putting off the main story a lot due to this
@sarkybae
@sarkybae Ай бұрын
in lvl 30 theres a tv puzzle that make u life sht
@HazardTone
@HazardTone Ай бұрын
Really? Im still in lvl 25 and all I do is go around trying to increase my interknot level.
@TheAsian125
@TheAsian125 Ай бұрын
This game is so pull starve like wtf lol 180 free pulls means you legit grind every aspects of this game. if you just focusing on the main quest you won't even get close to this.
@robhans5
@robhans5 Ай бұрын
Nah, grind every aspect of the game, people already counted, then it is over 300
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 Ай бұрын
@@robhans5 that's like saying Genshin would be right to advertise 1000 free pulls if you just grind for 3 years! you're drowning in cope man!
@velvetra29
@velvetra29 Ай бұрын
I play Arknights and i don't like how they do ZZZ. I play tons of gacha before GI too. The problem of ZZZ is simple: they don't give what they said they want to give. "Old" gachas that i played were not like that. Brave Frontier said they want to do a new take to classic turn based JRPG, and they did. Kings Raid said they want to give a satisfying semi auto-battle experience to co-op boss raids, and they did. Arknights said they want to do tower defense in different yet interesting way, and they did. ZZZ gave none of what they said they want to give, even the "free" pulls lol.
@adramallechz253
@adramallechz253 Ай бұрын
You mentioned KR. What happened to that game?.
@velvetra29
@velvetra29 Ай бұрын
​@@adramallechz253 To summarize: game was doing quite good, the potential was great. They tried to hype the game by making an anime adaptation, it's not well received. They said they want to make KR2 (better graphics + new storyline (since Kasel's story was already concluded), but instead of investing all their resources for it, they made a shitty 3D tower defense game that nobody wants to play (because Arknights already dominated that market). Long story short, dev collapsed, KR got updated with so many bad changes because dev gave 0 fucks, the tower defense game were dead dead. KR is still in service now, but it's pretty much dead, just skin and bones left.
@tanatwat5254
@tanatwat5254 Ай бұрын
@@velvetra29 Arknights has a soft pity at 50 pulls too and also easier to get more gems. Hoyo is just making Hypergryph looks like a saint when it comes to generosity.
@humam9189
@humam9189 Ай бұрын
​@@adramallechz253let's just say the game is pretty dead rn... I hope they can get well soon since they recently got investments from a fashion company
@marcus2259
@marcus2259 Ай бұрын
I dont think theres false marketing although i say its both Them lacking for not giving specifics ( like the pulls) + players high expectation. Lets be honest, grinding pulls? Who cares thats normal in some but the difference is how long. Feels more like a gacha addict if you complain more to the pulls. Cant reroll fast? 😂 The tv stalling is the core problem that irritates most people and prevent them "more from getting the pulls faster and overall bores the experience. Cant remove that but atleast they can tone down. Theres too much loading screen already.
@10nessee
@10nessee Ай бұрын
least obvious hoyo-virgin 😂
@DiamondPugs
@DiamondPugs Ай бұрын
I liked it specifically because it is a brain rot game. The only issue which will turn off most new players is HOW TEDIOUS IT IS TO UNLOCK ALL THE GAME SYSTEMS. Like seriously, who thought it was a good idea to gatekeep almost all of the game systems behind over 10 hours of slow paced story and TVs, and I liked the story. I just wish I wasn't forced to play it all in one go to unlock the game.
@rokkabrave
@rokkabrave Ай бұрын
After having a wuwa super lunch the zzz dinner looks unappetizing
@connor.chan.jazzman
@connor.chan.jazzman Ай бұрын
The backlash to ZZZ is only a testament of how smart Kuro was with their marketing. They took a risk by pushing their entire schedule a week forward to avoid ZZZs release, but in the end, that is one of the main reasons that it is doing so well against it. ZZZ markets itself as a combat focused game with very generous rewards. Maybe if we didnt get to play WuWa first, ZZZ wouldve had more of an impact, and Hoyo fans wouldve ate it up a lot more. However, we have played WuWa already, and the combat is just phenomenal, and the generosity in WuWa is much higher than ZZZ. Not because WuWa is some outlier like ZZZ advertises. Kuro is known for being generous across all their games. Also, back to combat. TV shouldnt have been in story missions. Idk what they were thinking
@exu7325
@exu7325 Ай бұрын
I don't think it would've made any difference honestly. Kuro was just being cautious (unnecessarily in hindsight).
@voccapoei
@voccapoei 6 күн бұрын
ZZZ's most important role if anything, is to be a flashier (than Genshin) demonstration of high end mobile devices' CPUs and GPUs.
@bitboss1385
@bitboss1385 Ай бұрын
all those people who barking about how ZZZ gonna kill WuWa are nowhere to be seen, i wonder why... oh yeah because ZZZ is shit ☕
@luqmti6634
@luqmti6634 Ай бұрын
Got em boys 😂 ​@@gamerbeast3616
@user-kk8zm8xy7s
@user-kk8zm8xy7s Ай бұрын
​@@gamerbeast3616bot
@beestek.94
@beestek.94 Ай бұрын
@@gamerbeast3616 cool story bro. whatever makes you sleep at not.
@bitboss1385
@bitboss1385 Ай бұрын
​@@gamerbeast3616yehahah keep barking with your brain dead game ☕
@jjeller9625
@jjeller9625 Ай бұрын
​@@gamerbeast3616 have spotted a hoyo shill 🤣
@user-ph8sh9pm2d
@user-ph8sh9pm2d Ай бұрын
fans of Hoyo games and especially fans of ZZZ were continuously belittling all other games by bragging about how great the gameplay ZZZ would have and how great the combat would be. so... expectation huh?
@winsach220
@winsach220 Ай бұрын
People expected the combat a lot, and Hoyoverse itself inflated the expectations of this game in a super exaggerated way with its advertising and saying that it would have a lot of action and fighting (which it really does), but if you have to reach level 30 for it to be just get interesting. So most of you will have felt cheated or frustrated, the first hours of a game are everything. This game, in its first hours, relived my trauma with the aranaras.
@leyyaballim1458
@leyyaballim1458 5 күн бұрын
If you’re a gacha gamer that loves gacha you can play this game, but I will say this game is not hard in the slightest. But if you want to play this game you can. Games is all about having fun so have fun!
@skiletkilla
@skiletkilla Ай бұрын
Ngl I've had so many bugs in the TV areas it's crazy hahaha
@Guichaigaming
@Guichaigaming Ай бұрын
Kuro free stuff were free free / Hoyo free stuff were there and are there but rewards you have to earn might also be free stuff, but should not be advertised as free free stuff. I agree 😇
@andynow-uu1mr
@andynow-uu1mr Ай бұрын
You'd work yourself like a horse to get those promised pulls..😢
@Guichaigaming
@Guichaigaming Ай бұрын
@@andynow-uu1mr i do appreciate Hoyo for free entertainment but telling us players that we would get free free stuff, but then we find out that it is free stuff + things you must earn.. puts a little salt on the wound 😅
@andynow-uu1mr
@andynow-uu1mr Ай бұрын
@@Guichaigaming maybe, it's just the way how things work in gacha games industry. 🥲
@anxientdesu
@anxientdesu Ай бұрын
people saying "this game gets better after 5 hours of gameplay!" is the same kind of people who will say to read One Piece it gets good at the 400th episode like, yeah im sure it does but thats such a big ask
@HazardTone
@HazardTone Ай бұрын
Did OP get good in its 4000th episode? 😂
@asghargodzila
@asghargodzila Ай бұрын
Op is amazing from the beginning and it never gets worse only better.
@Zephyn
@Zephyn Ай бұрын
I gave the game about 6-8 hours and it was mostly yapping and TV screens. Challenge mode only challenged my patience and the longevity of my finger.
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 Ай бұрын
STix said 20 hours in gameplay is still the same button mash as it was in the tutorials, yet he still says it's a good game 🤣🤣🤣
@tigerfestivals5137
@tigerfestivals5137 Ай бұрын
The One Piece manga is good, starts off that way and just gets better.
@why7654
@why7654 Ай бұрын
Casual experience yet my 3 year old phone cant even install it. And no im not gonna buy a new phone just for a mid game
@robhans5
@robhans5 Ай бұрын
3 year old phone? Lol, so yu are f2p leacher than no one wants.
@OldManInternet
@OldManInternet Ай бұрын
ZZZ released when they did because they saw WuWa as a threat, and thought they could throw their weight around as a corporation. The reality is that there are a lot of great games that just released, and created excessive competition right now. I have a feeling if they released this in Sept or Oct, they probably would have had more room to breathe. But as it stands, it came out right after Elden Ring, WuWa, FF14, and a few other big releases, and really doesn't have the chops to keep up. Vs WuWa which came out a month before these other games during a bit of a lull and had a chance to hook people. I have no doubt there will be a cosy casual audience for this game. But it's unlikely to become much more than a niche game unless they make some pretty fundamental changes, which given HoYo's track record is incredibly unlikely.
@exu7325
@exu7325 Ай бұрын
100%. Hoyo definitely tried to sabotage WuWa's growth and player retention with ZZZ. Instead it backfired horribly. And ZZZ was marketed to the mainstream from the get-go, not as a niche game (contrary to ZZZ players who claimed it was "always" a niche game). With the amount of capital Hoyo spent on marketing this game, they were betting on a mainstream success.
@kgutz9450
@kgutz9450 Ай бұрын
if i don't experience wuwa combat first i think i might swallow this shit game tbh
@Lunathean
@Lunathean Ай бұрын
Has anyone seen the TikTok ads for this game? I remember scrolling and thinking, "What the hell!" Also, I'm not sure why they label pulls you earn while playing as "FREE PULLS" in those ads. It's high-key a scam. Nobody is going to see that and think, "Oh, they mean when you play the game." Not to mention, it will get people playing the game thinking they'll get them at some point but never realize it was a scam. By then, it's too late. Even though they're covered legally, it doesn't make it morally right. The pulls don't even matter, though, because they kept their garbage 90 hard pity system, which means buying enough for a 10-pull can cost around $30 USD. If you fail the 50/50, rip your entire bank account. I won't talk about the gameplay or all the drama, but seriously, I think Hoyoverse is a bit scummy for those scam ads.
@Wreck1990
@Wreck1990 Ай бұрын
10 hours in and 80% in chapter 1. WHAT THE HELL.
@deformedchad8616
@deformedchad8616 Ай бұрын
The 180 pulls aint even the problem im peeved abt, its how almost every ad i recieved was about how amazing and complex the combat was making me believ the game was gonna have complex unique combat.... when in reality its just hack and slash bs with 1 skill an ult an a swap skill and mostly tvs.
@k-off7510
@k-off7510 Ай бұрын
nah .. patience is not the demon that you need to fight earlier this game it's sleepiness 😂 i literally fall asleep playing this game and drop my phone.
@humam9189
@humam9189 Ай бұрын
Well... It's implied in the game's name tho... Zzz 💤
@PGM991
@PGM991 Ай бұрын
ever since Dehya incident, i lose trust in HYV to listen to player base. they KNOW what player want yet they're INTENTIONALLY ignoring it.
@robhans5
@robhans5 Ай бұрын
They listen to player base. You are not playerbase. 2 years ago they actively said they don't want people like you.
@Bo_kiki
@Bo_kiki Ай бұрын
I understand the tv thing but also if they just removed them it would take away SO much gameplay and I don’t think that would be possible for them 😭 I imagine it took a lot of money to make those things- (but yeah there are like I ton of tvs maybe to much 💀)
@CoCaptainAwesome
@CoCaptainAwesome Ай бұрын
Maybe it's just me but for a game I had no expectations over I think it's fun. Like not a 10/10 but I def think there is a lot of hate that is unjustified
@spasmatism3267
@spasmatism3267 Ай бұрын
It just feels like they were trying to advertise the game as a competitor for WuWa, but that's just not what it is.
@TheCakeCat
@TheCakeCat Ай бұрын
This game is INSANELY different than WuWa. Hoyo is failing baaaad
@kinshorin
@kinshorin Ай бұрын
Honestly if you want a bite-sized combat game, PGR is still king for that imo, ZZZ is like you wanted PGR but with even more mindless combat and a really good style and neat character designs, that's it.
@hexjuice
@hexjuice Ай бұрын
I fully agree, honestly. I think choosing between the two is about personal taste and what you're looking for in gacha games.
@St3rben
@St3rben Ай бұрын
i grind for 3 day straight endure the TV nightmare and fall asleep numerous time while playing it just to lose 50/50 im done with this game
@kingsultn
@kingsultn Ай бұрын
Ngl it’s just the fact that there’s no auto function (Ik it would be hard or impossible to auto) but I just don’t wanna be interacting with it 😭 just have it run in the back
@jamin3131
@jamin3131 Ай бұрын
Definitely feel like I was baited by the combat hype and then they did the SF6xZZZ roundtable talking about how they were influenced by fighting game mechanics and then seeing how good the system was in wuwa and coming to zzz and they basically did fighting games but with beginner control scheme. I really thought hoyo can't miss but I feel they are just afraid to make a game "difficult" I did watch Iyo recently showing off some hiding mechanics and moves that aren't listed so thats cool. And I know I don't have to button mash and I can try doing the fancy stuff but monke brain says no.
@UltimaKeyMaster
@UltimaKeyMaster Ай бұрын
I love how "influenced by fighting game mechanics" really means "the only thing we know about fighting games is spamming the Assist button in Marvel vs Capcom."
@ilovealmondtofu4726
@ilovealmondtofu4726 Ай бұрын
ZZZ cater for pdf files and zoo files lol
@xenoemblem7
@xenoemblem7 Ай бұрын
Every gacha game is like that bro. Don't like lolis? don't play
@ilovealmondtofu4726
@ilovealmondtofu4726 Ай бұрын
@@gamerbeast3616 no it is lol
@UltimaKeyMaster
@UltimaKeyMaster Ай бұрын
The whole TV thing made me realize that the whole like 2 hours I played of ZZZ was like 3% action combat and 20% TV's, rest is intro cutscenes. Oh god that is such a horrible ratio. The TV thing should be like PSP Dissidia Final Fantasy where you chain together fights stylishly to be risky and get more rewards out of it, not TAP TAP TAP TAP GET REWARD GET REWARD GET REWARD and the combat is just a distraction you're told to ACTIVELY RUN AWAY FROM.
@Eviltwin1
@Eviltwin1 Ай бұрын
Its interesting because despite all the negativity around the game it is actually the highest user reviewed score out of the 3 hoyo games most know (Genshin, Star rail and ZZZ) so far. Assuming you leave out impact 3rd which actually has the highest interestingly enough.
@deionzo9358
@deionzo9358 Ай бұрын
I'm sorry but I played for 10 hours total. The game is overwhelmingly mid. I'm not spending anymore time playing something I'm not enjoying after playing that long. Hoyo does not listen and learn when it comes to "Combat focused" games. I now have WuWa for general enjoyment and combat. HSR is the only Hoyo game I will continue playing because that team listens. If you enjoy it that's fine good on you.
@robhans5
@robhans5 Ай бұрын
Hoyo listen. But not to you. They actively do not want your kind.
@deionzo9358
@deionzo9358 Ай бұрын
@@robhans5🤡
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 Ай бұрын
@@robhans5 Yes, Hoyo wants mindless loyal sl4ves errr... I mean fans like you who will eat up any slop that Hoyo serves.
@Zeyro1
@Zeyro1 Ай бұрын
This game got Hex coping about how bad it really is.
@j4nk3n
@j4nk3n Ай бұрын
Hey guys you can get 1000000 pulls* ( *just play for all eternity)
@MoonlessNight32
@MoonlessNight32 Ай бұрын
Im actually starting to like ZZZ. Its growing on me. I also agree with you on how they didnt clairify how you receive the 180 pulls Hex. I dont mind the T.Vs much, BUT I feel that they should be completely taken out of the story mode part.
@elijahdenatos5823
@elijahdenatos5823 Ай бұрын
No more hoyoverse games for me. Bad for mental health.
@kayyam9959
@kayyam9959 Ай бұрын
They also advertise it like focus on combat but i totally got zzzed
@dreameisters
@dreameisters Ай бұрын
Played it for a week, it's really enjoyable game personally for me. I was doubting about this game before but the more I play I kinda become loving the game more. This game is casual and chill. The combat is satisfying enough, the difficulty is increasing towards end game. Story so far is quite good, JP Voice over is super excellent in this game, it's like watching anime. Game aesthetic overall is very good imo, I like the colorful style of the game. The best thing is Bangboos, love them they're very hilarious.
@sylviagerlach2579
@sylviagerlach2579 Ай бұрын
So I've played Gatcha games before Genshin and I still don't like it. It's like a regression of the possibilities that are actually available to HoYo. Genshin is also currently developing into a game for children. We adult Gatcha gamers probably have to look at the top 50 rather than the top 10 in the scene. And as a lover of anime style, it doesn't look particularly attractive. What on earth is so hard about making a game that looks appealing with cool characters and gripping combat mechanics and an engaging story? I don't know it.
@rebcommando587
@rebcommando587 Ай бұрын
Being an adult and playing gatcha games is the real issue
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 Ай бұрын
@@rebcommando587 Being an adult and having a hobby is surely a issue of utmost importance!
@f.b.l.9813
@f.b.l.9813 Ай бұрын
9:06 even in 2019 ZZZ would still have solid contenders, PRG and even their other game Honkai 3rd released that year.
@alexcyw89
@alexcyw89 Ай бұрын
I don’t think it’s as complicated as tectone or other KZfaqrs thinks. It’s just bad. Plain and simple. The end. If it’s good it would had been diff through out community.
@xenoemblem7
@xenoemblem7 Ай бұрын
Saying ZZZ is bad is overhating it tbh, ZZZ being disappointing though? I can get by that.
@alexcyw89
@alexcyw89 Ай бұрын
I mean I expect it to be better than genshin or hsr in 2024. I prob wouldn’t think of it as not bad if I set low expectation and like in 2020.
@lucasLSD
@lucasLSD Ай бұрын
I'm legit shocked people hate the TVs, I love it precisely because they work like a classic roguelikem where enemies move only when you do, and there's some creative puzzles too.
@riotangel4701
@riotangel4701 Ай бұрын
Oh mihoyo will remove the TVs. Four years later.
@ardee9337
@ardee9337 Ай бұрын
For me, for a game to be good it needs to first deliver on what or how they advertised the game, examples: Genshin was advertised as a nicely paced story driven open world game for casuals and kids, the game is good because they delivered exactly that HSR was advertised as it is turn based but a really good one at that and they delivered WuWa was advertised as a fast paced, git gud combat focused open world game and they delivered exactly that as well ZZZ? It was advertised as a Combat focused game, they even had the dev collab gimmick with capcom's SF team but the game itself is 90% story,running around talking to npc's, navigating through TV's and 10% actual freaking combat lmao. If they advertised it as a visual novel game with a bit of combat and slice of life-like moments I'd believe it, but not as a combat focused game.
@nerdtrongaming5444
@nerdtrongaming5444 Ай бұрын
I downloaded the game, and I had fun, but everything you said is entirely true!!! 1. I looked for the 180 pulls and had to have a homie tell me about HoYo (new to gotcha games). 2. I did not see the point of the TVs, like I love puzzles, but after the 5th time, it's like just let me shoot/fight shit lol. I'm hoping Hoyo actually listens to feedback, but that same friend told me not to hold my breath, lol
@humam9189
@humam9189 Ай бұрын
Just telling you something... Hoyo rarely listens (well, hsr is an exception) Remember genshin? It needs 4 years and more, and a competitor like wuwa to get a new qol released while the qol itself is already wanted by players long ago xD
@nerdtrongaming5444
@nerdtrongaming5444 Ай бұрын
@@humam9189 4 years!?! God damn bro xD
@humam9189
@humam9189 Ай бұрын
@@nerdtrongaming5444 yup... a new endgame content for example... from 1.0 till 4.7 (i really forget the game's version), it's just spiral abyss you can enjoy (even before, they said they won't add any new endgame contents for the game) but, as you can see... there's imaginarium theater now and additional floors for spiral abyss (which are new endgame contents)... and that's about 3-4 years old and the players wanted those endgame contents since 1.x or 2.x version
@Djrobledo1
@Djrobledo1 Ай бұрын
While I do agree with your overall point and I personally think no one should tell anyone how they should judge a game and when they are allowed have a judgement about it. To your three points 1)it did literally say on screen that you were going to have to play the game to get the pulls multiple times through playing and events. If someone didn't realize that that's more on them since they just saw free and assumed. 2) They did talk about the tvs on the livestream and acknowledged that people didn't like them and they were going to try and remove them and work around them since they are heavily tied to the game. 3) I couldn't agree more on this one it was the worst decision they could make to try to market this game as something it clearly is not yes if you make excuses and try to rationalize it maybe you could see their choice but in the end this isn't what they marketed it as.
@winc2408
@winc2408 Ай бұрын
This game i give solid 5/10 for 1.0 release for tv i full of bs
@whoknowswhocares4713
@whoknowswhocares4713 Ай бұрын
I’ve been trying to like this game, but I don’t think it’s for me. I don’t care about the story or the TV gameplay, and I feel like that’s a majority of ZZZ. I like the slice of life feel to the game, but I don’t want to sit through all the BS to start having fun. Combat is enjoyable but too rare. You posting these videos have helped me see things more clearly, and I don’t think I’ll play anymore. Thanks a bunch for saving some of my time👍
@bef5582
@bef5582 Ай бұрын
Hoyocels stop the copium it is called zzz because I is literally puts you into sleep. 0 rizz, gyatt nerfed, skibbidi toilet humor
@aru5117
@aru5117 Ай бұрын
If patient means 12 hours of patience before the game gets good, and only then can I make a fair decision over whether or not I actually like the game, I don’t care about being patient. I’ve played MMOs with shorter MSQs that were also fun.
@beasthaven1571
@beasthaven1571 Ай бұрын
Sometimes I miss mmos it was simpler times.
@stuartpatterson5094
@stuartpatterson5094 Ай бұрын
*Sweats in FateGO Player* Fate go is the only game I have on my phone because its turn based and I can do it whilst I play other games on my pc or console. *Continues playing FateGO on phone whilst playing WuWa on Pc* xD
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