So who is the Goat?

Jones a goat . u a dork

your name reminds me of the fact jones failed drug tests in fights he KO D people and he is called the goat And tj dillashaw failed test in a fight he lost and fans are dismissing his whole legacy

If you knew what gsp is like in real life behind closed doors he would not be your favorite or your goat not even close . This is coming from a gsp fan myself

@Dumb Yet Smarter Than You let’s just say except for the beating women part . Him and Jon jones are very siimilar

Truth ☝️

Don't forget his habitual eye poking too lol

What the man does in his person life on his time makes no difference to me what so ever.

No one is denying he did it, the argument now is that USADA is now saying what they found in Jon was negligible and wouldn’t have made a difference in his performance.

​@@supersaiyansalamence they said the same thing about Brock Lesnar lmao and it's obvious Jon was already in the process of flushing it out when they "caught him"

Reyes was ready for the eye pokes, had the reach and footwork to avoid that shit.

@@Brandon-rb4sm Spent so long in training camp prepping for that he forgot how to all the other stuff after the Jones fight.

@@Brandon-rb4sm 100% i feel so sorry for Reyes man, he legit won that fight against PEDS and dirty eye pokes but was still cheated by the fucking judges. Reyes has never been the same since then, that must've really put a strain on his mental knowing he went into that fight and gave it his all, won the fight but lost to the judges. Disgusting UFC, just disgusting. If i was him i'd make a massive upraor over that shit, you'd never hear the end of it, i'd sue and constantly blast them on all platforms.

@@Shawn-tf4tm Reyes is just bad now. He legit is not good.

@@TheSk8erGamer I think that robbery vs Jon broke him, de-motivated him or just ruined his confidence or whatever.

People don’t want to give him credit since he’s not a monster of a man. His skill is undeniable

^i second this

He also won 2 titles up a weight class in another high ranking Promotion.

eh. i respect the shit out of demetrius but he did not fight the same caliber opponents as jon jones. the names on jones' resume are mostly legends

@@danboah2501 i agree with this, but Demetrius also has had a size disadvantage in almost every fight he’s every competed in. also Jones tends to eye poke a lot. doesn’t take away from his skills, but i’ve never seen mighty mouse resort to anything like that. just purely scrappin

Oh tht one testosterone test? When was that? I remember him being at the lvl of a dying 90yr old/small Korean woman.

@@good8619 yup and a test like that should've been compared against a biological passport or at the very least further testing such as carbon isotope ratio testing. He got away with murder that man did. He was so hypo gonadal just before a fight? Obviously his body was using exogenous hormones in place because his body wasn't naturally producing nearly enough

@@good8619 what’s Korea have to do w anything

DC had test levels surpassing ronnie fucking coleman & got of scott free cause the rules bend around that, guess what ? The new rules now say Jones was clean too 💀😂 None of these hypocrites care that he is on roids they just want to take away his legacy if he pulled a GSP & ran from USADA he would have never popped

@@DADRB0B55 Mentioning DC is a what aboutism. We are talking about Jones. If this video was about another athlete we would talk about them. I'm not some DC or GSP fanboy either so I ain't triggered from anything you just said. All I'll say is the testing system is an absolute joke. Under the new rules he was only clean when he had low amounts. Howeverany experts in the testing field have said this is BS because metabolites can reach them low levels when leaving the system. So they gonna say oh sure it's leaving your system it doesn't matter that you juiced through an 8-14 week training camp as long as it's only trace amounts leaving your system you're good. This in my opinion is just not god enough from the supposed greatest of all time. I personally feel no one has done it better than Jones in the octagon. However that dark cloud will always make me say he has fallen just short of GOAT status because of his blatant cheating. Don't worry about what other people are doing and whoever else is cheating that's ok the organisation. You are responsible for you and your body. Lance Armstrong cheated but in a way I feel for that guy because he had the choice of be natural and get nowhere cause literally everyone else is cheating or else cheat and have a more fair shot. I believe all the other cheaters should be erased from them leaderboards but they only chopped his name off. I don't want bad for Jones or for him to be erased I just want accountability and the organisation to stop having double standards when it comes to big money fighters. The sport is just as filthy as boxing was/is. Something Dana said would never be the case but hey where there is money there 100% gonna be gangsters.

not to mention he cheats and pokes his opponents in the eye in every fight

If you listened to the video all 3 ped or doping acts wouldn’t even be a thing anymore cause it was so little

What has TJ done though?

Cuz Jones got the complexion for affection

@@supersaiyansalamence Bent the knee to TRIPPLE C! THE GREATEST TO EVERY GRACE THE UFC

Jones is charismatic and because he didn't inject the substances into his body (he took them via mouth) he can always argue he didn't take them intentionally which is a weak excuse but its still a grey area that his obnoxious fans can still hang their hat on. Combined with more grey areas regarding USADA talking nonsense about pulsing picograms (Turinabol doesn't pulse) and changing the rules on testing levels (which is BS but as long as something is official you'll always have some arguing in favor), his fans have more ammunition to defend him whereas anyone who's a TJ fan does not.

​@@SithStudy Weak and pathetic reasoning on your part. As if UFC fans of all people would favor him due to him being black. Dont full yourself.

It was confirmed but he said it was because he was scared of testing positive for weed

​@@jessedejong9889 my man knowing what happened with Jones VS DC i wouldnt be surprised he was still doing It

I heard that same story but with Wanderlei Silva…

What does that mean for Islam popping?

Not gonna change the result tbf

He was pulled out of the bad sex pills fight

@@atiermma Who mentioned Islam lol, I figured it's common knowledge the highest levels of athleticism is plagued by peds

@@atiermma Exceptional circumstance.

What are his accolades? Besides there’s an argument for Jones, USADA is now saying that the amount Jon had in his system isn’t enough to enhance performance and TJ Dillashaw isn’t undefeated or the youngest champion ever. Literally the only thing they have in common is the PED thing which is now questionable. Jon had his arm hyper extended vand still won his fight, TJ quit against Aljo because of his shoulder, it’s apples and oranges.

he quite literally explained it, they were very small amount and can easily be found in other substance

Cuz Jones is black

​@@supersaiyansalamence you've been replying to every comment that's negative about Jones my guy

@@vCuda and yet no one has given me TJ’s accolades that are up there with Jon’s 🤔

Your an idiot. During his Era in LHW, the competition was nothing, but elite.

@@ShaDusK Thiago Santos was elite? He wasn't even a threat at middleweight! OSP was elite? Reyes was elite, and Anthony Smith...? Where are these guys now? They're bums. You're just a nut hugger who's clinging to an undefeated fighter because you want to believe that martial arts movies are real: that there's such a thing as an invincible man. Fedor had an undefeated streak longer than Jones, but how did his career end? Matt Hughes was beating everyone at WW for years, but how did his career end..? Even Rickson, who was undefeated by beating up bums in Vale Tudo Japan, ended up with a fucked up back and crippling arthritis all through his body from doing Jiu Jitsu for over half a century. We've already had a "Jon Jones" before, and in the end they're all human.

i aint readin allat

@@golubmirko6067 But you commented a useless comment anyway.

@@user-nv2wt4hi8t i aint still readin allat

Also a lot of people think he lost to Hendricks and then never gave him the rematch.

@@Brandon-rb4sm yeah but let's be honest... Hendricks was JUICED like if Jones is juiced, then Hendricks is drowning in it lmao Though I don't think his win against Bisping was all that great. Bisping is good but is nowhere near the best. I'm kinda pissed we never saw a superfight with GSP and Robert, both of them are former welterweights so the weight shouldn't be too much of a problem. Rob has the best take down defense in the entire UFC imo so it'd be really interesting

The two losses do mean something (especially the Matt Serra loss) but because he avenged both in dominant fashion it takes a lot of the sting and negativity away from those losses. Still, you'll have obnoxious JBJ fans mocking GSP for getting knocked out by Matt Serra to this day.

@@madgavin7568 yeah, but to JBJ's credit. He's never been dropped in his UFC career and the closest guy to ever do that was Lyoto Machida who got brutally choked out.

@@remyhavoc4463 There's no shame of getting dropped as long as you can recover and stay in the fight.

Very sad. He wasn’t popular and the ufc didn’t market him at all, yet he’s one of the best fighters ever

The diehards know, the casuals dont. Besides, if youve been watching mma for a while, you know that flyweights wasnt really a competitive division at all for the longest time, especially when dj was in it. So even tho he deserves to be in the goat conversation skillwise, he was never truly tested for most of his career (outside of maybe 1-2 fights latter on ).

@@elcrucius I'd say that argument up until he left UFC and got traded to ONE. They, I feel, have a better, deeper lightweight division. Hes been tested, and earned the name GOAT

No one just evan care about this weight class.

@@serbe323 lmfao thats because you have no idea what you're talking about

In your eyes he would’ve poked

@@tripleaarcade😂

Completely agree. lance armstong Jones, tiger woods, Alex Rodriguez all were at the top of their sports and all used PED’s. Everyone just waved it off and says they’re so good they probably didn’t even need them. It’s like why tf you think they were at the top to begin with???

DC popper for 7000 testosterone levels & GSP literally turned blue when Condit wanted USADA testing. So really it’s just DJ

He was definitely cheating. It’s like the give you one free pass at first for “tainted supplements”

groovy is that you??

Considering how Athletic Commissions almost never overturn results unless an athlete has failed their drug test, Jones' No Contest over DC won't (and frankly shouldn't to begin with) be overturned to a win especially because DC was re-instated as champion afterwards.

@@madgavin7568 oh I definitely agree just saying the rule change happened a few years ago, and not in time with JJ's return like a lot of people have been saying.

Nope

Not

Already is easy lmao, gonna be easier tho

He already is the GOAT but he is the king of GOATs after the heavyweight win

But all of his opponents were much smaller than him, and were favorable stylistic matchups for him

Juicing does however improve reaction times, strength, durability (ability to take damage) etc. how can you deny the effects of his doping on his performance?

@@SithStudy his oppoents weighs more than him. Jon doesn't even cut weight

@@bloomball356 what are you talking about, Jon definitely cuts weight

@@SithStudy Dang the olympic gold wrestler was a more favorable matchup haha

DELUSIONAL. Just because he beat a kickboxer with wrestling doesn't mean a damn thing. Jones is forever a PED abuser and would've lost many fights if not for them. He's overrated, not the goat, Khabib is the Goat.

I agree. I think at this point the hatchet is buried, the sack is hackied, the wife beaten. Jon Jones is the undisputed GOAT. Of course, that is until you consider THE MAN WITH BIGGEST ARMS, THE GREATEST CHARM, THAT DOES ALL THE HARM, THE PRIDE OF THE TRENCHES OF WEST LIN, OREGON: CHAEL P. SONNEN.

Beating gane makes you the goat ?

@BastosFC Beating the best heavyweight in the division whos much larger than jones in 2 minutes after a 4 year hiatus most definitely makes you the goat especially with jon jones previous resume

@@nem3908 much larger what are you taking about? They are the same height and Jones even weighed more than Gane in the weigh-ins

Never "lost" but defintly got beaten by reyes.

@@dimensionalshade8290 I never understand how everybody fails to mention that even if the judges didn't give him that fight ( which was very close ) he would still be considered the greatest of all time. Dominating all of your fights for over 10 years and then having an insanely close decision with one of the best LHW's is not bad at all. People forget this guy is performing at the highest level of MMA even after 10 years.

​@@dimensionalshade8290 You can argue Johnny Hendricks beat GSP and he's also considered GOAT even GOATS have close fights

@@Quietplague2000 facts

​@@shattered9279yeah Jones dominated Reyes

Ofcourse a guy on steroids would say 😂

​@@HeavyStorm1 hater 🤣🤣 jon was the goat before he fought gane

​@@HeavyStorm1 Gane was undefeated before Ngannou and was beating heavyweights left and right. Not to mention Ngannou wasn't able to finish Gane.

@@adlibconstitution1609 he lost against nganou

@@adlibconstitution1609 mmath at its finest hahahahaha

​@@kreyrfer8293 yes but he didn't finish him

Tyson went to prison for rape

Mike Tyson raped somebody btw

Lmao you’re gonna be lost if this dude is your intro lmaooo

@@sparks1792 he was just who inspired me, I wrestle so I know basic grappling but I’ve been watching so much combat sports content that I can probably hold a conversation with long time combat sports fans

@@snortplug9582 oh nah I get this

I feel like you did not watch the video and you just read the title lol

@@dylanparadis5360 I watched the whole video. Why is TJ’s entire image ruined and he is shunned by the whole sport but literally no one gives a shit that Jones has popped 4+ times

An unintended consequence of that rule change is that drug cheats now have leeway when it comes to cycling a steroid out of their system. Granted its only a small window (picograms and all), but its one nonetheless where for as long as they have a PED in their system and the amount is below USADA's new threshold level they can continue to getaway with it and USADA would be none the wiser. The result? Cheats can now plan their steroid cycles (or potentially additional cycles) to continue to get around USADA testing due to the rule change.

He is measuring his reach... 👋.

@@ShaDusK not really, you would be using a fist to do that, but when Jones does it, he has his finger out

​@@st2whocares988 you can measure reach by having your fingers out you can put your fingers on the opponent's forehead right next to the eyes and still not be considered an eye poke alot of the so called eye pokes people find in Jon Jones aren't really plus there's unintentional eye pokes where the opponent runs into the person's hand

Not a hater just someone who realizes he cheated

Yeah I'm a hater he's a terrible person and should be in jail

This vid been meaningless every one called him the goat before his heavyweight fight. Mans was trying to be different🤦🏽‍♂️😂

But he’s a roid cheat that’s what u guys don’t get

@@SithStudy jon jones is undoubtedly the goat of all mixed matrial arts. Deal with it.

I disagree. I think people put too much shade on steroids when in reality a big majority of these guys are on gear but good at masking it. I honestly think they should legalize it like chael said.

@@kothgoat i do agree that there are many fighters on peds. it’s just that you can give them the benefit of the doubt. you can’t for jbj

​@@p_ttown1979 GSP was clean since when?

“gsp was clean” LMFAOOOOOOOO wait until you find out

Gsp was the most jacked had the best stamina and dominated during the PED era…. if that alone doesn’t prove roids the multiple breakdowns on his roid use should… gotta have the same energy with all “cheaters” not just jon that goes for Dc Silva chael all of them

I'm of the belief though that if Jones wasn't an asshat and stayed clean, he would have lost fair and square in competition eventually.

@@madgavin7568 he would’ve lost against santos

@@madgavin7568 he did lose to Gustafson and Reyes, would have lost to DC, and that’s all with PEDs that weren’t caught. Insane to think about.

@@aquatazer Any one of those guys could have beaten him. Plus if we're talking an alternate timeline where Jon isn't an ass hat, there's the Rumble Johnson fight (RIP Rumble).

classic pubmed enthusiast

1950s abandoned trials be bringing the most unhealthy shit compounds but some can be ran for short periods of time to gain increases in performance, but this does not allow for alot of things that uneducated mma fans 'know' they do lol

What does hgh even do tho if it’s not detectable?

@@Solznmid increases cell sizes, but all cell sizes thats why its very dangerous. One of the main reason for taking it is the indirect effects on IGF-1. IGF-1 leads to bone and tissue growth

Physical benefits of PEDs last longer than the drugs half-life, so the idea that there was no increase in performance for the fight is bullshit. Its a lie by omission.

I love khabib but he had far less title defenses and if jones beats gane in a different division it’s safe to say he’s the undisputed goat

@@Ruthlessn18 I don't think so cauz domination is important for a "goat" status

On drugs

He beat up washed middleweight strikers in his prime. GSP, Aldo and Volk have better resumes

@@CorvoAttano21 He beat Ryan Bader, Shogun , Rampage, Rashad Evans, and Lyoto Machida back-to back.

@@CorvoAttano21 he butchered Shogun. He didn't just beat his opponents he dismantled them. Shiiiiiit look at Gane

​@@CorvoAttano21 also I'd like to point out that jon was getting BEATEN on the feet against Machida.

I mean he literally explained in the video that the amount of the substance found in his body was too low to even make a difference and according to the new rules he wouldn’t even be a cheater by the new standards so…..

@@bebop355 I agree

Anderson Silva also tested positive for steroids. He's probably been on steroids his whole career. There is even a video where he does a house tour and a box of HGH is visible in the backround. As Nate Diaz said "Everyone is on drugs" and that's the truth. Athletes in all sports are by large on some sort of drugs.

There was a time when Anderson Silva had the argument to being the GOAT, but not anymore. Too many losses and two failed drug tests tarnished his once close to perfect legacy.

He didn’t “runned away” he had a serious condition

GSP was the one who tried to implement drug testing in MMA

Frl he seems super biased. Ppl who were caught using PED’s should be banned.

Nah he needed roids dude stop deepthroating. His skill is nothing legendary, it’s his physical attributes that made him such a great fighter.

Well said, i started watching ufc last year and didn’t really know much of Jon jones other than the memes of his hit and runs and peds. But seeing his past fights and his abilities there’s no denying he’s gifted. Personally I’m going for ciryl gane this weekend but Can’t count Jon jones out

@@Bllygat Dam…..

Training and fighting wears the body out. Steroids allows you to keep training and enhances your performance. With all the talent of the world, age and injury takes its toll. Steroids help to slow that down. That's why he uses them.

Lost to Dominick and couldn't box to save his life

@@Debilm4nzs-zu9bc lmaooo david "reyes" come on dominick you are not fooling anyone with that alt account. let it go, u lost

@@principeSZN He lost to Dom Reyes though.

@@principeSZN yeah bro sure I'm dominick reyes, and I beat jon jones

@@Debilm4nzs-zu9bc what are u gonna say now dominick 😂😂😂😂 JON BONES JONES THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. HANDS DOWN. NO ARGUMENT

Jones makes it easy for peeps to hate him lol.

Is Barry Bonds the GOAT too? I don't think anyone denies if Jobes never fails a test, yes, he is considered GOAT. However, he has. UFC even made a new rule to let Jon have 100pg/mL of steroids in his system.

@jew9657 everyone is on steroids.