Yes, even when I disagree with him, which isn't often, I don't doubt his integrity or his knowledge.

Can we populate or pin this comment? I prefer response from someone receptive, as opposed to the actual most populated, which,, which seems to be coming from a skeptic, who seems to be doubly clinging to his or her own interpretation. And it’s making me second-guess myself, TBH, which I don’t like.

@@blindvision4703 no need to second guess. I come from Nepal, was a Hindu and Jesus miraculously healed me. I don't care if anyone in my family believes in Him but I do. Honestly, I did backslide though once I cane to Germany and was busy trying to adjust as I had a massive identity crisis...but now I'm in faith stronger than before and I love the fact that Jesus didn't give up on me. And my new Church is good and the Pastor is very supportive.

@@blindvision4703you say skeptic like it’s a bad thing. If you prefer to be gullible that’s on you, but don’t insult those of us who prefer a bit of reality over wants and desires clouding our rational brains. If your epistemology allows for illogical, contradictory and clearly non-factual beliefs, then it is a bad epistemology.

Seems pretty clear what he was speaking of in light of this verse…

The version recorded here in the Gospel of Luke refers to the desolation of Jerusalem foretold in Daniel 9:26-27. This does not mean that Yahshua did not originally explain both, for it is evident that He certainly did, but two of the apostles recorded only one aspect of Yahshua's discourse, while the third concentrated on the other. However both are perfectly legitimate! Yet because Luke's version of the account has a clear fulfillment in history, we shall discuss that first. The version presented by Matthew and Mark shall be discussed in the next part of this presentation. Luke wrote “20 But when you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, then you know that her desolation has come near. 21 Then those in Judaea must flee into the mountains, and those in her midst must leave the land, and those in the countryside must not enter into her! 22 Because these are the days of vengeance, by which all the things written are to be fulfilled! 23 Woe to those having conceived and to those with sucklings in those days! For there shall be great violence upon the earth, and wrath for this people! 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword and they shall be taken away captive into all nations, and Jerusalem shall be tread upon by the heathens until the times of the heathens should be fulfilled.” During the Judaean war with Rome, the Roman general Cestius had Jerusalem under siege, and almost took the city, when for no apparent reason he lifted the siege and departed. This is what the historian Josephus records: Wars of the Judaeans, Book 2: “538 And now it was that a horrible fear seized upon the seditious, insomuch that many of them ran out of the city, as though it were to be taken immediately; but the people upon this took courage, and where the wicked part of the city gave ground, there did they come, in order to open the gates and to admit Cestius as their benefactor, 539 who, had he but continued the siege a little longer, would have certainly taken the city; but it was, I suppose, owing to the aversion God had already at the city and the sanctuary, that he was hindered from putting an end to the war that very day. 540 It then happened that Cestius was not conscious either how the besieged despaired of success, nor how courageous the people were for him; and so he recalled his soldiers from the place, and, by despairing of any expectation of taking it, without having received any disgrace, he retired from the city, without any reason in the world.” Cestius, having had the upper hand and for no apparent reason withdrawing from Jerusalem, then suffered a great loss, and a great deal of his army, to the pursuing Judaeans while he was moving his army away from the city. After recording this, Josephus then goes on to relate, in Wars of the Judaeans, Book 2: “556 After this calamity had befallen Cestius, many of the most eminent of the Judaeans fled from the city, as from a ship when it was going to sink; Costobarus, therefore, and Saul, who were brothers, together with Philip, the son of Jacimus, who was the commander of King Agrippa's forces, ran away from the city, and went to Cestius.” So while it may have been apparent that the city was spared, many fled contrary to expectation, and some even fled to join themselves to a Roman general who had just suffered a great defeat at the hands of the Judaeans. This is not understood unless one knows what is going on inside the city. Josephus in his account of these events often spoke of the “good” and “bad” parts of the city. He credits a high priest of the time, Ananus, with having uttered these words: “Certainly, it had been good for me to die before I had seen the house of God full of so many abominations, or these sacred places, that ought not to be trodden upon at random, filled with the feet of these blood shedding villains.” Just as Josephus testified, Daniel had prophesied, that “for the overspreading of abominations he [meaning Yahweh] shall make it desolate”. Any Christian in Jerusalem who had the Words of Christ also had his chance to escape the coming carnage. It is therefore highly unlikely that any Christian remained in Jerusalem at this time, or that any Christian even considered himself to be a Judaean at this time, since Paul clearly taught that in accepting Christ, they were to lose their identity as Judaeans, becoming “all one in Christ”. While Luke 21 verses 20-24 can only really refer to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, the latter part of Luke's record seems to relate not to 70 AD, but with that part of Yahshua's discourse that has to do with the end of the age, where He states, from verse 25, “And there shall be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and upon the earth an affliction by the heathens, the sea and the waves roaring in difficulty, 26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of that coming upon the inhabited earth. For the powers of the heavens shall be shaken! 27 And then they shall see the Son of Man coming in a cloud in the midst of power and much effulgence. 28 And upon the beginning of these things happening, straighten up and raise your heads, since your redemption approaches.”

In Luke we saw the exact historical fulfillment, as recorded by the historian Flavius Josephus, of Christ's words as they are recorded at Luke 21:20-25, concerning the forecast destruction of Jerusalem. Yet it is evident that Christ must have given a longer statement, and that Luke's record of it focused more specifically on what was said about Jerusalem, while the accounts of the discourse recorded by Matthew and Mark relate a more general prophecy. Matthew 24 15 Therefore when you should see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place he reading must understand 16 then those who are in Judaea must flee into the mountains; 17 he upon the house-top must not go down to take his things from the house, 18 and he in the field must not turn back to take his garment. 19 But woe to those being pregnant and those with infants in those days! 20 And you must pray that your flight should not be in winter nor on the Sabbath. 21 For at that time there shall be great tribulation, such as has not happened from the beginning of Society until now, nor by any means should happen! 22 And unless those days would be shortened, there would not be any flesh saved. But on account of the elect shall those days be shortened. Mark's record is almost identical: Mark 13 14 Then when you should see the abomination of desolation standing where it is not proper he reading must understand then those in Judaea must flee into the mountains, 15 he upon the house-top must not go down nor enter in to take anything from his house, 16 and he who is in the field must not turn back to the things behind to take his garment. 17 But woe to those being pregnant and with infants in those days! 18 And you must pray that it would not be winter. 19 For there shall be tribulation in those days of a sort that has not happened such as this from the beginning of the creation which Yahweh had created until now, and shall not happen! 20 And unless Yahweh has shortened the days, not any flesh would be saved! But on account of the elect whom He has chosen, He has shortened the days. Luke 21 “20 But when you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, then you know that her desolation has come near. 21 Then those in Judaea must flee into the mountains, and those in her midst must leave the land, and those in the countryside must not enter into her! 22 Because these are the days of vengeance, by which all the things written are to be fulfilled! 23 Woe to those having conceived and to those with sucklings in those days! For there shall be great violence upon the earth, and wrath for this people! 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword and they shall be taken away captive into all nations, and Jerusalem shall be tread upon by the heathens until the times of the heathens should be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and upon the earth an affliction by the heathens, the sea and the waves roaring in difficulty, 26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of that coming upon the inhabited earth. For the powers of the heavens shall be shaken! 27 And then they shall see the Son of Man coming in a cloud in the midst of power and much effulgence. 28 And upon the beginning of these things happening, straighten up and raise your heads, since your redemption approaches.” While the words of Luke 21:20-25 fit the circumstances of history in the fall of Jerusalem in the first century perfectly, that does not mean that they are not both applicable and foreboding as to what is happening to the people of God - to True Israel - today. For Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 and Revelation chapter 20 both draw a clear picture that shows Israel surrounded by her enemies in the last days. But neither of them are talking about the counterfeit jewish state in Palestine. First, we must examine what is the “abomination of desolation”, and then we shall further discuss Jerusalem surrounded by armies.. The “abomination of desolation” spoken of in the records of Matthew and Mark is quite different than the prophesied desolation of Jerusalem in Daniel chapter 9 which was referred to by Luke's record. and the “abomination of desolation” is mentioned in both chapters 11 and 12 of Daniel. I am not going to attempt to interpret Daniel Chapter 11 here, except to say that unlike most commentators, I believe it is a prophecy of the struggle between the two earlier little horns, and the “king of the north” which I am persuaded refers to the imperial papacy and the little horn of Daniel chapter 7, and the “king of the south” which is Mohammedanism and the little horn of Daniel chapter 8. While the Greek of the New Testament merely says “abomination of desolation”, as does the Greek of most Septuagint manuscripts, the Theodotian version of the Old Testament Greek has a phrase at 11:31 (but not at 12:11 where it agrees with the other LXX manuscripts) which may be rendered “the abomination which makes desolate”, which is how the Masoretic Hebrew is translated in the King James Version and most other editions in both places. Yet there are some editions which translate the Hebrew also as “the abomination of desolation”. Daniel 11:31 says in the King James Version: “And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.” No matter what one thinks about this prophecy, it is still in Christ’s future, as we see here in Matthew 24:15. Also, the prophecy in Daniel chapter 11 cannot properly be made to fit the period from the Seleucids to Nero, and therefore the abomination that maketh desolate is not the Roman defilement of the temple in the days of Nero, as many commentators have attempted to claim. However reading Daniel Chapter 12 where it also mentions this abomination that maketh desolate may lend us further insight into what it could be referencing. Daniel 12:1-12: 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. 5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. [So we see that the times are connected to the seven times of Israel's punishment.] 8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, [This seems only to indicate a forced change of religion, told in terms that Daniel would understand. The word sacrifice was added to the text. The word translated “daily” is rendered also as “continual” throughout the Old Testament, accompanied by a word that means burnt-offering. But here in Daniel chapter 12 and in Daniel chapters 8 and 11 the word stands alone. The translators only assumed that it is used here in connection with an actual sacrifice, but this is not necessarily so.] and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. [There are 1291 years from Mohammed's 622 AD flight from Mecca to the founding of the Federal Reserve in 1913. The Federal Reserve is an abomination which makes the whore of Revelation desolate!] 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. [There are 1335 years from 613 AD to 1948 AD when the artificial imposter Israeli state was officially sanctioned. This is indeed the abomination of desolation! In this period between 1913 and 1948, over 100 million Christians were slain in two world wars, and another 20 or 30 million were killed by the Bolshevik Jews!] 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

The Dome of the Rock was constructed from 688-691 AD, just about 1290 years after Nebuchadnezzar's first invasion of Jerusalem. This is certainly a pagan idol which is an abomination amongst the desolation of the once Holy City. There are just about 1290 years from 622 AD, the year of Mohammed's famous flight from Mecca and the year in which the Muslim calendar begins, to 1913 AD. Islam is surely an “abomination which maketh desolate” and it caused much desolation in Christendom, as it still does. Adam Clark, who wrote his commentary up until about 1831, wants to start counting these times from the rise of Mohammedanism circa 612 AD, from which 1335 comes to 1947 AD. There are 1335 years from 613 AD to 1948 AD when the artificial imposter Israeli state was officially sanctioned. This is indeed the abomination of desolation! Malachi chapter 1:4-5 says of Edom that “4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. 5 And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The LORD will be magnified from the border of Israel.” Israel is certainly the abomination of desolation. I understand that this method is not perfect, since I have different anchor dates, but they are quite profound and there are no better events to look at in history for the fulfillment of these things. One may not understand the connection between Mohammedanism and Judaism, but Mohammedanism is Jewish. There is evidence that Mohammed himself was a Jew, that he had Jews in his company who actually wrote his so-called holy book, which is a blasphemy of the real Word of God, and therefore Mohammedanism is a Jewish invention.

Jesus is dead. Let's stick to the facts.

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It seems clear especially in Luke that the apostles were under the impression that it would happen within their generation.

I’m starting to agree with Preterism. But Peter talks about his coming death 2 Peter 1:12-15. I don’t think he thought Jesus was a false prophet for telling him “when you see these things”. Peter died in 64 AD. The Temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

@@SheepofChrist818 Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you.There'll be some standing here which shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming into his kingdom. Paul affirmed it too in 1Thessalonians 4: 16,17 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel with the trump of God and the dead in Christ will rise first 17. Then WE which are ALIVE and REMAIN will be caught up togerher with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so shall be with Him forever. It is clear that the rapture didn't take place during Paul's time because Paul died before it happened, he wasn't lifted in the air while still alive together with the other disciples which he mentioned in the verses. So the big question now is did God the Father changed His heart.

I think you might have misunderstood the position. The idea that "this" generation refers to a future one doesn't depend on the idea that future readers are reading that statement making it for them - indeed that wouldn't make sense as you've pointed out. Mike's position is that Jesus, speaking directly to his disciples, was talking about a future time in which the fig tree buds (the signs beginning to appear, namely the abomination that causes desolation), and the generation of that time when the fig tree bugs would not pass until all the stuff happens. That is to say, the sign won't appear for a while, but once the sign does appear, what I've described to you will happen within the lifetime of the generation present for it's appearance.

​@@travisnorton9097 can you reference a specific scripture please? Also, I'd like to point out that the apostles' impressions weren't always accurate. Multiple times Jesus told them plainly he was going to die, but they still didn't really understand/believe it because it was so counter to their expectations.

No, it cannot. The triumphal entry of Jesus to Jerusalem comes first (Matthew 21). The prophecies in the olivet discourse come after (Matthew 24), when Jesus leaves the temple and goes back to the mount of olives.

@@ChumX100 I thought that at first as well, but after more investigation, I realized that @andrewc956 was not talking about the Olivet discourse. All 3 of the Olivet discourse passages use "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened". However, as Mike pointed out in the video, the predictive verse in Matthew 10 is different from the other 3 - it is "you will not finish going through the towns of ISRAEL before the Son of Man comes." (Matthew 1023): So andrewc956 might have been talking about Matthew 10, which according to Mike Winger's theory, was fulfilled already by Jesus following them into Galilee in Matthew 11. I think andrewc956 is just pointing out that an alternative fulfillment could be the arrival on a donkey in Jerusalem, since it came after Matthew 10. That seems like a reasonable explanation to me. However, andrewc956 used the words "you will not taste death...", and that particular phrasing is in Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, and Luke 9:27. I think the general consensus on those verses is that "the kingdom of God" does not refer to the second coming. The "kingdom of God" is already here and it's a spiritual kingdom rather than an earthly one (think of the parable of the mustard seed). In fact, that's a third valid alternative to the Matthew 10 prediction.

Yes! I would add Biblical Hermeneutics by Milton Terry and The Christ Has Come by Williams Urmy

Right on.

Yes the end times shouldnt be the focus and the obsession , Jesus in Acts 1 said to his disciples when they were obsessed about when he will restore the kingdom of Israel , he told them that its none of their business to know the times that the Father has appointed, but instead, they should go and witness to all the nations, bringing them back to their duty, yea its important to study the end times and what the bible says about it , but if its the only thing that i think about it whenever i preach or study scriptures or when am driving and looking around , then one took it further than it should be.

Actually it's more like a line of descent, what's commonly referred to as a "race". The "gene" in genea is where we get the word genes. ie those with the same genes. For example, in Mat 23:29-36 Jesus was speaking to "scribes and Pharisees", and their "fathers" (ie ancestors), and declares them responsible for all the shed blood of the righteous - beginning with Cain's murder of Abel to a murder that occurred in his time, and he ended the discourse with the statement that "all these things shall come upon this generation (genea)". The genea mentioned throughout the discourse is Cain and his descendants up to the time the words were spoken. Furthermore, he gives clues that he's referencing Genesis 3:15 and the "enmity" predicted between Adam's descendants via Seth, and the "Serpent"s descendants via Cain. He even calls those he was speaking to "serpents, offspring of vipers" (a type of serpent) in v33, linking them with the serpent of Genesis 3. Most people make the mistake of assuming everyone living in the "promised land", and therefore everyone Jesus spoke to was an Israelite, a descendant of Jacob, but those who've actually studied the OT, and Israelite history know that the entire 10 northern tribes were carried away captive to Assyria over 700 years before Jesus was born, and that they never returned. That a large portion of the 2 southern tribes (Judah and Benjamin) were likewise carried away captive by the Assyrians around the same time. That the Assyrians had imported people of 5 nations into Samaria to take the place of the 10 tribes. (2Ki 17:18-24) That the remnant of Judah and Benjamin that remained was again depleted by the Babylonian captivity a century later. And that the entire nation of Edom (Idumea) had been conquered in 125 BC and forcibly converted to the remnant Israelites' culture and way of life, and brought en masse into Judaea. (Josephus, Antiquities 13.9.1) Not to mention all the Canaanites allowed to remain in the land when the 12 tribes initially entered (Jdg 1), and the Canaanitish descendants of Judah via Shelah (Deut 23:2), via the Canaanite woman he took before Tamar. (the Shelanites) And that while the original Canaanites didn't descend from Cain, the scriptural record reveals that Cain's descendants, the Kenites, took up residence in the land of Canaan, along with the Genesis 6 hybrid offspring, from whom Goliath and his brothers descended, and were eventually absorbed by, and incorporated into the Canaanite population.

This is what puts me in a weird hybrid preterist/amillenialist viewpoint. Honestly I don't have a clue but I trust the Word, I trust God, and I'm eagerly awaiting the return of King Jesus

If the Greek uses a word like "outos" then it will actually be indicated in the grammar so we know what is pointing to specifically. I'm not there in my Greek yet but look forward to exploring it in a year or two when I'm fluent enough.

What is your source for eliezer

@@robertedwards909 Primarily Josephus, (The Jewish War); Yosippon; and the Jewish Encyclopedia online

@Ναζωραῖος I understand the points you raised. The key issue though is the 1st century context and primary theme of the teaching of Jesus and His apostles, which had to do with the end of the Old Covenant age and the inauguration of a new order of the New Covenant age. From 30 - 70 AD was a unique period of transition between these two ages during which Jesus as the new Moses and Joshua would lead His people into the heavenly promised land. The whole book of Hebrews is about this, with the focus ultimately on the unseen heavenly spiritual dimension of the New Jerusalem. Interestlingly enough, there isn't any explicit text in the NT that states that Christ is going to come back to earth and set up a kingdom on this earth. As far as the later church fathers are concerned, the final authority that I accept is the writings of the apostles and prophets of the NT scriptures. I don't believe that every prophecy has to be verified as being fulfilled by later generations. It is enough for me that those in the apostolic generation could 'see the Day approaching' (Heb. 10:25) and knew that it was near and soon to take place (Rev. 22:6,10,12). Nevertheless, this doesn't rule out a final consummation event in the future (2 Peter 3:7-13). Peace and blessings.

PS To clarify, I agree with the Title of this video, but not all of the exegetical explanations!! :-) Peace

Ναζωραῖος brilliant

Matthew 16:27 and 16:28 clearly does not refer to the transfiguration! Jesus did NOT judge everybody by their works at the Transfiguration, so the Transfiguration does not satisfy what was written in Matthew 16:27.

Spot on! Jesus provides the time element for the first event (temple destruction) but then shifts to speak about His second coming ("but of that day") and for this he says that nobody knows that timing (day/hour).

Except it doesn’t make sense and contradicts the actual text. It only makes sense if your desire to believe is greater than your desire to seek reality.

Infinite-respectfully, why are you writing papers when you say things like “there wasn’t persecution of Christians until after 100AD?” Normally, I would just chalk this up to crazy internet foolishness but I’m genuinely curious-where you’re coming from. Did you mean to say something else?

Read the book Jesus Failed and Finished in Disaster, it is based on the law of attraction and the bible.

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It's interesting to note an angel also preaches the gospel to all the nations before the end mentioned in Revelation

Colossians 1:23. Paul says that the gospel has already been preached in all the earth

Which would be a fresh rejection of Jesus Christ. The sacrifices and temple would be an abomination and desolate respectively. How God deals with their blindness is a mystery to me but I don't think it will be through the reinstatement of the old covenant.

Hmm When was this “Maintain justice and do what is right, for my salvation is close at hand and my righteousness will soon be revealed.

@@victorcritelli5790 The salvation that was close at hand was addressed to the Jews in exile in Babylon, and the salvation was the deliverance which they were about to experience from their captivity in Babylon. They were saved by God from their slavery to the Babylonians just like God saved Israel from their slavery to the Egyptians.

Your comment is very insightful and helpful. I was reading Luke's rendition of this, chapter 21. And I notice he writes in verse 12 "But BEFORE all this," (the previous verses, 10 & 11, about nation rising against nation, earthquakes, famines and pestilences) "they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors for my name's sake." So all that persecution the apostles and disciples faced had to occur BEFORE earthquakes, pestilences, wars, etc. The martyrdom of Paul is estimated at 66 AD, after he wrote 2 Timothy. With 4 years left for historians to write about major events like earthquakes, wars, and whatnot, there is nothing. There is simply not enough time for all those things to occur. And Jude's epistle and John's gospel were STILL not written yet, which were written AFTER the destruction of Jerusalem which happened between 70-71 AD. The current era is a MUCH better reflection of what Jesus is describing, though not perfectly, as I can't think of Christians being delivered up in Jewish synagogues. Just thought I'd share my insight and help sharpen iron as you helped sharpen my iron.

Do you mean "this generation" as in "the generation of", as in the generation of all of those things Jesus listed?

This is where both futurists and preterists get it wrong. Jesus never said "within a generation", did he?

@@peppr115 I never said that ther were multiple generations, did I? Think about it. The word "generation" has two different applications. I doesn't always apply to a lifespan, and when speaking about "this generation" Jesus actually used the term to refer to a generation that exceeds the confines of a lifespan. Despite this everyone assumes a lifespan. Why?

@@peppr115 Thanks, I get what you're saying, and believe me, I'm well aware of problems like that, but it's very important to distinguish between what the disciples thought and what they actually knew. Let me ask you this, do think that God sometimes keeps his servants in the dark concerning prophetic fulfilment? This might surprise you but one of Jesus closes disciples himself claimed that he actually does. If you read 1 peter 1:10-12 you can see that even the prophets were kept from fully understanding what they were writing. For that reason I don't find it inconceivable that the disciples were just as unaware of the exact time Jesus would return as we are today. After all, one of the last things Jesus said to them was that they were not to know about times and dates. All they could do at that time was do their best to keep themselves and the rest of the church awake and aware of the fact that Jesus would return like a thief in the night. Finally, please read Matthew 23:33-36. There Jesus outlines exactly what he means by "this generation". It is a generation that has existed since the time of Cain and Abel. And take note, while directly addressing that "generation" he talks about Zechariah, saying to them that "you" killed him. How could he be talking about a lifespan when Zechariah lived about 500 years before any of them were born?

sola scriptura Deus Dat Incrementum Did you ever get an answer?

Do you mean to reference Daniel 7:13-14 ?

@@joshuaayitevie1235 Yes, I will make that more clear. Thanks.

⁠​⁠@@rockytopbritt The context of Matthew 16:28 IS the previous verse. It’s unthinkable Jesus would say “the son of man will come and judge everyone”, and then immediately, “some standing here will see the son of man come”, and mean two separate events.

@@legron121 The overall context is actually not about the second coming. Its about the crucifixion. So I disagree it's unthinkable. However if you read the previous verse closely it says He will come into the glory of His Father and his holy angels and THEN will judge everyone according to his works. So even in the previous verse "coming in the Glory of the Father" might be better understood as the accession/ the fulfillment of Daniel 7.

​@@rockytopbritt No, Matthew 16:27 is talking about the same events as Matthew 25:31-46, in which the son of man "comes" and _then_ he judges all the people according to their works. In fact, the "kingdom" spoken of in the next verse (16:28) is clearly talking about the same "kingdom" mentioned in Matthew 25:34. If this isn't clear enough, then I have to ask: What _would_ be clear enough?

He didn't, though. Not the full fulfillment.

John of Patmos wasn't a contemporary of Jesus.

Matthew 10.23 appears to predict the coming of the kingdom. It's the verse that gave Schweitzer an epiphany that Jesus believed in the imminent apocalypse. After the disciples returned, and the kingdom hadn't come, Schweitzer believed that at that point Jesus was disappointed by the kingdom not coming. And it was then, Schweitzer argued, that Jesus decided he needed to be willing to die in an attempt to make the kingdom come.

@@oliverford5367 There’s nothing in that verse that references a kingdom. It simply says that they will not go thru the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes. That could mean anything, including…I’ll catch up with you guys. But for the sake of argument that he’s predicting his Kingdom. It could be his resurrection, Pentecost, a coming of judgment in 70 AD or his Transfiguration. There’s nothing in that verse that throws my faith away. It’s just like atheists who point out Mark 9:1. You tell them it’s in regards to the Transfiguration which happened a week later in 9:2 and they don’t buy it. Until you show them 2nd Peter 1:16-18. I know because those used to be my doubts. It shipwrecked my faith once. Now, I know there are answers that are sufficient if you have faith. I had read 2nd Peter 1 before but it never popped out, until someone pointed it out. Albert Schweitzer doesn’t impress me.

Like the first sentient ai.

Or maybe you could stop the magical thinking.

Love Steve Gregg :). Also, regarding the great tribulation, It’s clearly local with regard to Judea. And it was a massive holocaust even if only 600,00 people died at Jerusalem like Tacitus says rather than the 1M reported by Josephus. But even this don’t take into consideration all those died in the cities in the eastern 1/4 of the Roman Empire. Just in Alexandria 50,000 Jews were killed by the Romans. It’s also relevant that the first exile was only 70 years. This tribulation or exile would last for over 1800 years (and beyond in a spiritual sense). So there is no reason to reduce it to hyperbole. It was the greatest tribulation any nation has ever suffered and still survived.

Where in scripture does it talk about a third temple being built? I hear people say that all the time but then I get crickets when I ask this question…

Regarding the Transfiguration--2nd Peter 1:16-18 16 For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17 For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an [h]utterance as this was [i]made to Him by the Majestic Glory, “This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased”- 18 and we ourselves heard this [j]utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

Pay close attention to the language. Power. Coming. Holy Mountain. When Jesus was speaking about them not tasting death before seeing the Kingdom come in power (depending on the gospel version) it is indeed in reference to the Transfiguration. I found that passage last week and it rocked my world. It’s amazing how you can read scripture over and over and miss something, until it’s revealed.

Christ Bless you Mike 🙏

@mister bobby I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. IP did seem giddy to have Bart on as if it affirmed his status as a prime time apologist and intellectual. While Michael Jones has done fantastic work on the reliability of the Bible, the resurrection, etc he also seems to have let it go to his head and has become a bit smug, pretentious and Pharisaical. I believe he is a preterist so that would explain why he thinks Revelation is a historical event.

I came to this video after watching that. Ya it was weird to me and made no sense

Geno Reformed speaking to this generation is not always About the generation to whom he is talking

@@leonardhunt7241 Why not?

@@piano9433 the generation Jesus Christ was discussing was the generation which would see him returning, not the present generation would witness his return. The context is important.

@@leonardhunt7241 Do you think the same applies to texts like 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and 1 John 2:18?

@@piano9433 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is speaking to a future generation, yes 👍 I agree. 1st John 2:18 is from the last days beginning from the ascension of Jesus into heaven until he returns Acts 2 in the last days God will pour out his spirit upon all flesh Joel 2.

You make a good point. The reason I put it into a question like that is to draw the attention of the Bible skeptics who I hope to reach. I hadn't anticipated that someone would judge what my position was based on the title being in the form of a question. Perhaps I'll rethink that a bit and try it differently. Thanks for your thoughts.

@@MikeWinger then debate Bart Ehrman.... Its common knowledge that NT scholars know that Jesus and cousin John the baptist were both apocolyptic prophets....

And now I will explain what the Holy Spirit showed be in the scriptures about the four winds of heaven as I said earlier this is not referring to the rapture of the church the four winds of heaven are spiritual agents of God prepared for war just like the valley of dry bones God told Ezekiel to prophecy to the four winds of heaven that the dead bodies will receive breath and when Ezekiel prophesied to the four winds of heaven the dead bodies received breath and stood up on their feet. The Elect coming from out of the four winds of heaven are the Armies of God prepared for war coming with the Lord to pour out his judgements on Jerusalem and the temple Jesus said that this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled. The Elect coming from the four winds of heaven is totally different from 1st Thessalonians 4 when it says that those that are alive and remain shall be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air . The scenario in 1st Thessalonians 4 ] coincides with what Jesus said in Matthew 24 when he said that when he returns it will be like the days of Noah when they were eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage until the flood came and took them away one will be taken the other left. But from Matthew 24:1-36 is all about God's judgment against Jerusalem and the Abomination of Desolation which was prophesied by the prophet Daniel when the Roman Army destroyed Jerusalem and the temple this was the Abomination desolation and the completion of the Abomination was when the Roman Emperor Titus desecrated the sacred temple he entered into the holy of holies and poured out the daily blood sacrifices and offerings and brought into the sacred Temple two harlots and had intercourse with them on the Altar over the scroll mocking God with his sword believing he had defeated Almighty God He also did worse than Pompey and Antiochus Epiphany 1V who sacrificed a pig Titus sacrificed a pig an sheep and an Ox he sat in the Temple of God showing himself that he is God "Josephus says that Titus entered the Holy of Holies with his generals in A.D. 70. 1 Shortly thereafter, Titus was worshipped in the Temple in A.D. 70 as was customary of someone declared imperator in fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:4: “He sets Himself up in God’s Temple displaying himself as a god.” Josephus writes, “And now the Romans . . . brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator.”2 A metallic image of Vespasian and Titus was also worshipped at that time. Phalerae cum imagines, images of the emperor and his favorites, were regularly attached to the Roman ensigns at that time.3 Here we see that idols of Vespasian and Titus were also worshiped in the Temple There were three animals that were likely sacrificed at this time, a sheep, an ox and a pig; as these were the three sacrifices made in the practice of suovetaurilia, the customary sacrifice made for land purification done especially during the destruction of Temples (Tacitus, Histories 4.53). Did you catch that? Like Antiochus Epiphanies during the first abomination that cause desolation (Dan 11:31), Titus ALSO sacrificed a pig and presided over the worship of foreign gods in the Temple! Since both Titus and Antiochus Epiphanies are responsible for the abomination that causes desolation it is not surprising that both men are given all the same epithets throughout the Bible and Jewish tradition." So therefore the Abomination of Desolation is not in the future it has past away and if you really know the Lord common sense should have kicked in to bare witness that God will no longer dwell in temples made by hands. In 363ad Julius Apostate authorized Certain Jews in Galilee to build a third temple in Jerusalem and God sent a terrible Earth Quake with Whirlwinds and within the foundation of the grounds where the workers were working fire came from the ground and devoured the workers and they died God doesn't need another physical Temple because the Saints are the Temple of the Holy Ghost Amen 🙏!

Peace Matthew 16:27-28 is not the ascension. Jesus did not come in his kingdom with glory and render to each man according to their works at the Ascension like v. 27 says

Zachary Oh! I see now. I guess I didn’t read verse 27 closely for context before saying that. Thanks for the correction! I much appreciate it.

An assumption is being made here that 27 and 28 is talking about the same event, but I don't think that is the case. Both verses are in the context of picking up your cross and following Jesus. Verse 28 appears to be referencing Daniel 7:13-14 in which the Son of Man appears in the clouds before the Ancient of Days (God the Father) and is given dominion over the Earth. Then there is Mathew 28:18-19 in which Jesus says "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit". So I personally believe your original assertion was correct and 28 is about the ascension while 27 is about Judgment Day. God Bless

Do u hold the preterist view

@@sonoftheking1977Yes ,I hold to the TRUTH of the Bible -