HWR is more syllables than He Who Remains.

My theory was always that He Who Rains spelled out everything to us, he is a reliable narrator. That he has in fact lived a million lifetimes bc of the endless loop, some of those lifetimes he was Kang & he tried to go abt the multiverse a certain way but he always failed. The only way that was successful was for him to choose a diff path that lead him to become He Who Remains, which would also correlate with Endgame & how there was only 1 possible path out of millions.

Kang said in Antman after Janet asked who Kang was “ Kang is who I have to be” and the fact he was trying bargain is when I realized we was watching the younger version who hadn’t won the war yet. I like how you put out how he finds alioth

MCU usually follows one version of a Super Hero or Villain. Following that idea, I agree that Kang is He Who Remains. We are following this one Kang's journey.

When Kang said that he'll burn them out of time? It's exactly what HWR did. He pruned their timelines. Kang escaped by accident when he was sucked into his machine. Only to reappear as Timely. Timely began rebuilding his time machine, hence in the end? Becoming HWR, all over again.

my thought process is that Kang is in the same probability storm Scott and Hope were in. My theory is he'll accumulate all the knowledge of his potential variants thus making him know literally every outcome of his every move hence he can become He Who Remains

I really hope they return this Kang as the big bad. I don't think I'll be as invested if they just introduce a different Kang

Well looks like they aren’t the same

He even called himself a conqueror in Loki. So he must have been the Conqueror that the other Kang's named the Conqueror.

Exactly. The council wasn't talking about Scott and Hope killing the exiled one. They were talking about Loki and Sylvie.

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I believe he is. That is why he told Sylvie, “I’ll be seeing you.”

It would be dope if the oncoming war KANG talked about plays out in KANG Dynasty only to come full circle where we see Loki and Sophie confront KANG just like in Season1.

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Agree! I’ve commented that Kang/HWR has little regret (Ravonna related perhaps) and Kang from Quantumania is HWR. Scars? He would have access to so much medical technology that a simple surgery could hide or remove the scars. Kang we just met was thrown back in time and he’s posing as Victor. Lastly, I’ve theorized that when HWR said “just crossed the threshold”, that was exact moment when Kang got sucked into the engine and thrown back in time.

You convinced me bro, solid work as always

I don't get these comments saying you're wrong. I walked out of the theater thinking "yeah, that's totally He Who Remains." It's pretty obvious if you're paying even a shred of attention. Kang even says, "You will help me. I know how this all ends." It's also important to remember that He Who Remains was delirious and more than a little crazy - Kang feels he's the one that needs to cull the other timelines, and as he ages over eons, I could definitely see him losing his edge.

I actually thought about it a week ago, that the pimp particles at the end sent Kang the conqueror to a sub atomic universe in the quantum universe and that is where the TVA is located. So Kang the Conqueror just got sent to the TVA.

You guys crushed it again with extremely valid points! If I may add on, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the song used in the teaser trailer for Quantumania is “Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.” There’s a line in it that always stuck out to me, and it’s “oh, I’ve finally decided where my future lies, beyond the yellow brick road.” And with the new theory Ryan gave us saying that Kang is destined to make the decisions to become He Who Remains, I think this song is a new clew to indicate that. Before the Loki Finale, We always speculated that the one at the end of time would be a king Loki or a intimidating figure; but then it was revealed to be a bit so scary version of Kang, even HWR said it himself, “not what you were expecting?” Goodbye yellow brick road is the clew that tells us that Kang’s Future lies beyond the Timeline. Loki is a lot Like the wizard of oz too, dorthy and her friends (Loki and Sylvie and Mobius in this case) travel a journey to a castle to eventually meet the one in charge who was a not so intimidating figure in this case, Loki and Sylvie traveling to the end of time to He Who Remain’s Castle to meet him and be underwhelmed. So I think that you guys are spit on with this theory and I do think they are the same person! Sorry for the paragraph lol first time evey writing one on a YT vid

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Loved that. Had the same thoughts about Kang but also think he is Victor timely and that experience and the war changed him. Tempered his blood lust .Posted this idea on new rockstars two days ago

In the end? Antman Did help Kang escape, either by accident or did HWR plan it this way? Even Antman wasn't sure of did he win or not.

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I am OH SO GLAD you did this video, 'cause I left the movie theater saying exactly that!

I love this theory! It’s something I was speculating on as well. The connections you pointed out make a lot of sense. Plus, from an audiences point of view, keeping Kang consistent will create a bigger bad guy to deal with. Yes, I’m sure the other Kangs are no picnic, but if we could semi focus on one, it could build him up to feel like a bigger threat.

I think the name says it all. He will always remain no matter what variations happen . Hence even though Sylvia killed him he said: See you soon because he will always return . He's a mortal who is truly immortal because time moves in a circle . He is not the strongest and dies a lot but he will always return because he is the who remains. The most badass mortal in comics ever. No matter how many times avengers killed him, he will return . I love this.

Love these videos.

This was my theory when I first watched the movie. I said that we're actually watching the origin of He who remains, complete with Alioth. Alioth was is the purple smoke that followed Modok. Watch it again. Great take from you though. And the clue was He who remains saying that he always ends up right back here, at the end of Loki.

What do you think causes Kang's personality to switch to that of HWR? Is it simply loneliness? Being weary of such a long life?

Thank you! This was my first thought leaving the theater!!

I always find it interesting how HWR says,"the first varient discovered" Alioth. Then switches into him saying,"I experimented, then weaponized, then ended the MV War." Is he referring to himself on the third person or did he kill the first variant and then used Alioth?

You nailed it! That's exactly what I've been thinking after seeing Quantumania and then rewatching Loki. I think HWR is the Kang from Quantumania...he just has a lot of character progression to go through between now and then.

I like the thought of Quantumania's Kang & He Who Remains being the same person at different points in their life. Him being the version that was in the teaser for season 2 of Loki, not so much. I also think after Kang lost against Scott & Hope, he should maybe end up in confrontation with another MCU character before Kang Dynasty which helps develop his character closer to He Who Remains & even has him ally with the Avengers in Kang Dynasty. From there, they could take him two directions: 1) Have him flip on the Avengers at the end of Kang Dynasty after beating all the other Kangs which leads into Secret Wars, & is the start of his plan to become He Who Remains. That would set the Avengers up with the opportunity to stop him in Secret Wars & let all the other multiverses survive rather than repeat the cycle. 2) He sets up becoming He Who Remains in Secret Wars to loop the timeline back to the MCU we know successfully. 1 would be the better story to me, especially if they want to open the multiverses up for different actors in repeating characters. Trying to set up He Who Remains would also be a good way to split the Avengers between maximum life v. maximum order, which would pose Spider-Man & Dr. Strange's argument in No Way Home, to all the Avengers, putting them with or against Kang.

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Kang's story is always a loop. He who remains needs to create the younger version of himself, so he will have to start the multiversal war that he already won in his own past. Makes perfect sense and makes for a cool story too.

HWR is actually harder and longer to pronounce than He who remains! Great theory and video BTW :)

Sound logic. Great vid guys

I love your explanations!

I don't think kang is he who remains. I think kang was the one who saw the chaos caused by his variants and started the war and he who remains was one of the peaceful variants who got traumatized and did whatever he said loki s1 finale to save his own timeline.

How do you suspect Kang will get/got his name in the MCU? I believe in the comics it was essentially the sound of him working on his armor and it caught on. But I wonder if we will get input into why his name is Kang (and not just Nathaniel) since we see that other variant use their other names (Victor Timely, Tut, etc.)? It seems as it would be something significant since Majors puts such emotion into saying "I am Kang".

I always thought the same thing for the exact same reasons. I felt even stronger when I noticed that Alioth’s eyes are the exact same color as the multiversal core that Kang got sucked into. That Kang said he’s the only one who can stop it & if that’s true that also makes them the same & like you said when it look like he was reminiscing on the things he’s done I think he came up with the Tva instead of him still doing it himself. It seems a little more understandable when they do it then when he does it as Kang finally once he take out all his variants he will then become “He Who Remains”

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So, at the end of quantumania, the three kang variants were referring to Sylvie and Loki killing HWR and not AntFam "killing" Kang the Conqueror. Do a video on that please!

I think its more direct than you're letting on. I suggest the Kang from Quantum Mania gets sucked into the Void right there at the end, meets Aoilith and unifies the timeline (however this event will take place at the end of phase -- its just backwards and out of time). I think the Kang we saw has already conquered all the Kangs. Hes angry and confused but when we peaked into what he has done, it was shown that he has ALREADY destroyed countless universes and countless avengers.

Great video

Glad you read my comment & made a video on it. Im sure i wasnt alone in opinion

Janet Van Dyne was just being a Karen when she trapped Kang. The timelines she saw being destroyed were those branches caused by his out of control variants. He was doing the right thing and her mind was too small to see the big picture.

Overthinking

Ended up here after watching Loki Season 2, Episode 3 wondering if that was Victor Timely in Ant Man. Thank you @ScreenCrush for making these informative videos. A lot less head scratching after watching this and your most recent Loki videos.

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Regardless of what you think about Quantumania, Johnathan Majors was a great casting choice for Kang

It was also said “ kang will return” pretty sure they were talking about the kang in antman quantumania! Which means THAT Kang is NOT dead!

Excellent theory and would make a great story. Lines up very well with Loki and Quantumania

I back this theory 🤜🏼🤛🏼 good job working this out Brotha’

It would be a pretty crazy twist if we go through several movies fighting Kang, the Multiversal War starting, etc. Then we get a post-credit scene at the end of Secret Wars showing Kang discovering Alioth for the first time and creating Miss Minutes. Would kind of tie everything in neatly.

you do realize hwr actually has more syllables than he who remains, right?

Love the theory! Well supported

holy moly you blew my mind

Your explanation makes the most SENSE I can rest easy now 😅 and wait for Loki season 2

I'm glad you proved what I've been thinking

Super solid think piece.. nice

Good explanation, I am convinced.

i agree with this. and even ant man and kassie highlighted that sometimes you have to do things differently, his original plan failed and finding alioth is his new plan

This is a Solid Analysis.

Everyone NEEDS to watch this video!

Ive been saying this glad to see a video about it

Genuinely a really good theory and one I'd love to see come to fruition!

Just to point out something about the sacred timeline. In the beginning sequence of the last episode of Loki it is implied that there are already multiple universes within the sacred timeline. The sequence starts with a look at earth and spans out into the universe until it goes out of the universe to show that that universe was inside a black hole. Now black holes could be entrances to other universes, because you know, they have a massive amount of matter compressed into an infinitesimal point, which is basically how things were before the Big Bang. Anyways, the sequence continues showing us various black holes and then zooms into another neighbouring black hole and shows us an universe and travels through it eventually changing the scene to a shot with a view point inside the sacred timeline which if one looks closely seems to be composed of multiple stings of light which can be interpreted as timelines, hence implying multiple universes. One timeline doesn’t necessarily implies only one universe. This is because multiple universes can exist at the same time as long as one cuts the branches that would lead to kangs, but this does not mean there can be only one universe, since there are many possibilities/probabilities or variants of the universe in which the result, if trimmed correctly, won’t lead to a Kang, the same way there is another set of possibilities/probabilities or variants that will lead to a Kang. These are the ones that get pruned, when universes start to branch into all the possibilities, and some lead to kangs. Just my theory because it seems we always talk about THE multiverse in terms of before and after the death of he who remains. Anyways, since he is outside of time, the multiverse is kind of like Schrödinger’s cat, in the sense that it both exists (with all branches) and doesn’t exists (the pruned one) at the same time, for all time.

I love this theory, this is more or less exactly what I thought was going on when he "died" in the movie, nothing ever seems to die when its shrank further (AEB Darren Cross) so ending up at the end of time and finding a cloud dragon seems (relatively) plausible

Why am I on a Screen Crush mcu marathon at 4 am? Why are you doing this to me ryan?

The Alioth full circle at the end was well done.

I will love it so much if Loki Season 1, the story that sort of acts as a prologue to the Multiverse Saga, ends up also being a great epilogue.

Loki S2 proved that he's not the same. Near the end, Mobius said they found a Kang variant in 616 timeline where "they" took care of him. "I guess one of 'em caused a little bit of a ruckus on 616 adjacent realm, but they handled it." - these were his exact words.

Take another look at the "rusting" effect that dissolves and deflects Scott's first pym-disc as it gets close to the energy core. Reminds me of what Alioth does when he eats inorganic matter in the void. Classic Loki's helmet is one example.

Screencrush, I’m surprised that when you mention “worlds Colliding” that you don’t play even a little snippet of Powerman 5000’s song “When Worlds Collide”😋. Just a random thought. Carry on! Love the videos!

This makes so much more sense

@13:45 I just noticed, the miniature on Kang's desk when he's telling Loki about "the first variant" has glasses and a lantern that is very remniscient of his appearance as Victor Timely.

What’s up screencrush… reaching out from SA here and I love your content as I’m a huge comic movie fan! Wanted to ask about something that might have some relevance to your theory (which I totally back by the way) In the quantumania movie at min 20:13, just after the capture of Antman and the intro to the quantum realm. We get a scene with Janet and hope and for a brief 2 seconds, they pan onto a ‘quantum scape’ view with some floating rocks around a glowing core. One thing I noticed is the bottom right rock in the frame seemed very similar if not identical (maybe minus the bottom) to what the realm/planet/rock in which HWR is living on. Would be strange that it’s just sitting in the quantum realm but some sort of secret wars could be fought here in future and thus destroys or changes it. Not really sure how just that one rock would remain but anyway… thought the similarity could be a clue for a future plot. Especially that the quantum realm seems to be Kang(HWR) domain where he found new powers and regained control. Also continuing the ark that he’s always in this prison… still never able to fully leave the place that he was banished to. Sorry this is long but I rarely make comments. Who be really cool to hear what you think

Your theory interesting makes sense.😊

That sounded awesome. I want it all to go down just like that. Loki in charge of it all will be great.

First time I watched the Loki finale, I instantly thought of the sequence with HWR as the actual Kang saga ending. If there’s a sacred timeline, our MCU, then he requires the heroes in that timeline to defeat all other variant universes, their “heroes” and own Kangs. Plus the broken statues I thought of other Kang variants.

KANG NEEDS HIS OWN MOVIE. THAT ONE COMIC WHERE HIS LIFE IS IN A LOOP IS CRAZY!!

Awesome theory! :)

That makes hella sense tbh, we ve heard what made HWR into the big man from Loki so seeing and learning now that Scott was the reason Kang even met Eliath (maybe) would be a cool callback and would establish consistancy beautifully for his arc.

fantastic commentary. Many good insights. Very elegant if it plays out this way as everything ties together well through multiple years and branching stories. It's brilliant the idea of being able to bring back captain America. An established possibility maintains credibility if that time comes. I suppose there is always a variant that can cross over. But then how long can characters stay in a different universe? If their presence initiates incursions, then can that be a credible route?

RYAN: THE MULTIVERSE IS AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF SIMILAR DIMENSIONS WITH VARYING DEGREES OF DIFFERENCES. ALSO RYAN: HOW CAN TWO KANGS POSSIBLY HAVE THE SAME PLAN? ALSO ALSO RYAN: OK, IT'S REALLY TECHNICALLY TWO DIFFERENT KANGS.

Wow now this movie makes so much sense

FINALLY a video that explains the theory I thought to be true after watching Quantomania! I think you got it perfect

I just remembered the Infinite Improbability Drive is the space ship's engine in Hitchhiker's Guide.

7:28 you just really blew our mind

Damn im so hyoe with this multiverse saga and Kang. Basically put Kang in a video title and im gonna inmediatly watch it hahaha. Keep up the great content!

I love the channel and content and I believe the theory you just shared. Can you also analyze Aeoliath some speculate he may be Anubis connected to the Moon Night Series. Also the middle TVA time keeper that favors Kang. Is that a reality stone on his forehead?

This definitely makes sense, especially with the tva history starting at the beginning of Loki season 2. Ravonna also got that file on the beginning/end of time I think from Ms. Minutes which means HWR knew what Silvie would do.

They need to put you on the writing team at Marvel. Your storylines and breakdowns are more epic than the actual movies.

Cool to know that you read my comment on your last video , Ryan. Did you watch the Michael Douglass interview I told you about?

That statue also has the scars of Kang chiseled on it. The Kang Variants using pruning sticks. All those resources are Quantum energy related too. Because when someone gets pruned they basically teleport to Alioth. But why there specifically

Thank goodness, no high fives! Great video man!

I haven't watched the video yet, but I had this thought at the end of antman, too. When he got sucked into the singularity he's not actually dead, but loses he marbles while there and becomes hwr.

As soon as I saw the movie I had a similiar idea I hope we get to see it play out but I'm just super excited about the upcoming phases either way.