The last month of CS roster changes have boggled my mind but I guess we’ll see how this works out

Something you didn't mention enough in my opinion is Twist IGLing. I'm really worried this will ruin his fragging ability and we might lose some of his best remaining performances. He's just gotten back to top form, please don't ruin him liquid.

How is it that in 2024, GMs at super orgs still overlook the human element of the game? They consistently try to fit square pegs in round holes. Its wild.

And here we are

jks on liquid is the only w here

Aged like milk.

4 days passed and this video already did not age well

Your last quote, "maybe there's room for some new logic" was perfect. We see time and time again moves and rosters that should work or should improve with a new player signing yet it doesn't. At this point I'm not comfortable making any statements about roster moves. There are too many cogs moving nowadays. I'm just looking forward to seeing some more T1 CS next week.

can we get a most racist cs guns tierlist please?

Twistzz as an igl is crazy to me

Oh shit I didn't realize how recent this upload was when I clicked on it 💀💀

Sidenote, been loving the news style videos but I really miss your demo reviews. When the new season starts Id love to see a demo review!

I'm still mad that you got called an "ugly, racist, toxic hater" because only 2 of those things are true.

I was hoping for -Yekindar +Malbs, +JKS and a T2 NA awp. But the NA scene seems tough right now.

I have been saying that Liquid's downfall in the last iteration was a culmination of clashing ideologies from cadiaN (Heroic) vs zews (BRA71L) vs YEKINDAR (VP/Jame), but add Twistzz wanting to IGL (FaZe), and it's clear how many ideas and egos there were (and still are?) in Liquid. How could that ever flourish? "A nation divided cannot stand". Also, JUSTICE FOR CADIAN!

These rosters moves are so dumb this season. The only one that makes sense is +JKS

Stoked to see jks team back up with Twistzz

Honestly great video but i don't agree on some parts especially malbs one, i think you overlook the main reason malbs was appointed in G2 it was clear G2 had a problem on maps that required a control on multiple places on the map on terrorist side. Like ancient or mirage, Nexa was just unable to control those places by himself malbs on the other hand is a perfect player designed to control those places and take the entry duel putting pressure on ct side, the other thing is Malbs used to play anchor on ct when he started his career so its not entirely new to him how to play these positions, our main problems where on t where malbs just improves it in a big way, his impact on terrorist is quadruple what nexa could provide and his ct side will also be better even with time, so i think even if he won't be able to match his terrorist impact that is why Snax is brought in as a much higher fragging igl he provides those 3-5 kills a map more so covers some mistakes on malbs side, in my opinion those transfers make a lot of more sense than people actually thought

I think it's all about the social vibes, in this era of counter strike. Id bet you they make up 30% of the reason why good teams are good. Snax? Chill, healthy-low pressure vibes. We saw how much they needed it at dallas. Twistzz igl? Could go horribly wrong but I feel like the moves give him space to learn how to actually do it. And it sounds like mithr has done a good job scouting in the past-who's to say ultimate is just a temp pick who passed the vibe check? I can see the logic

dang i was almost excited, thanks lau

the only way g2 changes make any sense is if they know they are selling niko 2025 and then they already have a good replacement playing with t1 experience but i dont think g2 are smart enough to think ahead at all

“Infinite money glitch” lmao

hair is on point today

On Liquid situation: I think there are two options: either Liquid knows something about ultimate we don't or they want to gamble because that was the only available option. I really don't believe they haven't considered s1mple or woro2k - there must be some other considerations with those two than just the money. We also don't know if s1mple even want to come back as his mental state is a bigger question mark than him performing in CS2. Ironically, I think the one who has the most to prove is Twistzz as even in Faze he had genius matches and had terrible ones. Also, him being IGL is a big unknown. On G2 situation: maybe snax is not a top tier IGL, but I think he was the only one available on that moment that can deliver individually, because situation with hooxi was dead, and I'm not talking about his stats, because he was mostly playing support or was giving opening trades for the team, which is more important than kills - I just can't imagine him continuing to play after trust was hurt so much with this stand-in situation... And, if it was true what snax has said that he had to as an IGL deal with players forgetting what was their role in specific tactics then I don't think we can blame him as the IGL for mixed results... malbs is a big unknown, but I don't think him switching roles might be definitely a bad idea - it's not like he's going to switch the game entirely and play Valorant now, players evolve and one thing I'm sure all pros on that level have is that ability to adapt to changes. TBH I'm mostly concerned with chemistry within the team with all that TaZ-snax drama, lol.

G2 really confuses me, but like you said I’m cheering for monesy super hard so I hope they know something we don’t

Turns out the milk was not toast after all

Wow, sounds like you're not expecting much out of any of the trades that have been made. Guess we'll just have to wait and see! I pretty much agree with you though.

I honestly have more hope of this liquid lineup compared to last. Ultimate will be a better awper than cadian and I believe twistzz will prioritize setting him up like say Broky on faze. Jks is a huge upgrade for skullz and offers them much more stability on Ct side. I have been watching twistzz most recent faceit games with the team and he seems to be hyper agro on tside and if this team is to work he needs to keep that mentality up. They also have been working on setting him up with boosts and flashes. Not to mention he’s much more aggressive compared to cadian which will help keep t’s honest.

Top 2 and NOT 2 🗣

I hoped the previous liquid roster had made it work. It's clear thay they were all playing a different type of CS and weren't committed to making it work.

Liquid signing an up & coming awper who even Pasha was saying will be great in 2022 is a good thing. They are trying out this whole Twistzz IGL so might aswell take another high risk move that can have high payoff. They made the right decision, lets see if it works now.

Does the Ultimate Situation remind anyone of Broky joining Faze in 2019??? A "Nobody" joins a team controlled by established international superstars with their best player switching to IGL. Ultimate may not be the next Monesy, but pulling off a Broky isn't impossible. Let's just hope that Twistzz has learned some player development from Karrigan. And hopefully if this Liquid squad fails, they would rebuild the team with a clearer identity and stronger structure, which will help with unity, chemistry, and player development,... If Cadian could do it in Heroic, there's no reason why Liquid couldn't.

I feel like this Liquid could actually end up being good even as weird as the changes are

Wait I am watching this video after realising g2 is in the tec final against Navi

Checking in, how's liquid doing?

great video unc, but one thing that i think you missed is that signing s1mple instead of ultimate could potentially be detrimental to twistzz developing as an IGL. you look at the team, you have mostly agreeable, tame personalities, all of which don’t have the same achievements as twistzz. now add the greatest csgo player of all time, and you likely have a lot of disagreements of how the game is ran also, it kind of makes sense role-wise. ultimate is passive on CT side, while he’s a lot more agressive on T side. it’s literally only yeki on the team that makes space, and they need another (otherwise you have the past lineup’s problem of yeki running in dying, nobody trading him)

I don’t understand why liquid are so tied to yekindar

I think your closing is what gets to me the most. These teams are the ones that played a large role in teams being unsustainable. Then after setting that precedent and showing they have the money to make these all star moves. They take players that should be getting their time to shine in mouz, GL, Monte, or Apeks. It just looks like management has a gambling problem and they will not take any advice from an Esports Betting Expert.

@launders cringe

Like launders first round of the Copenhagen pick ems; I could be wrong. I think G2s roster is going to work. I think malbs can adapt his roles and excell. while Niko, snax, and taz put their brains together and start cooking.

Launders the "Yapping god"

The market is out of T1 international igl's

And now Liquid and G2 are in top 3 teams ..

I usually cant listen to people speaking ab csgo, but I always listen to Launders EVERY TIME!

Have a good summer boss, banger vid

13:15 it's giving ryan gosling

You thought the Cadian iteration would work and it didn't, so I'm hoping because you think this new Twistzz iteration won't work that it will ❤

g2 has way more firepower without hoxxie and nexa, and as a fellow Serb i love nexa he is always underrated but some days he can frag rly well other days not rly… But malbs? Amazing addition, snax? Also great imo who cares who the anchor is if everyone can kill enemies.

Maybe I’m just dumb, and it might not be possible but Magisk and Glaive on G2 with Niko Hunter Monesy sounds cracked

I feel like a really strong superstar can/should pull a Tom Brady (afaik he willingly took less salary to have better teammates to win more). As much as I agree the super orgs inflated the price, players could make their own decision to accept less to build a better roster. Who in their right mind would do that? Probably the next GOAT of CS2 imo

launders on fraud watch lol pack it up lil bro

my breakfast is blessed

Stop trying to push s1mple forward. He is bad in cs2, he stated multiple times that he has no interest to compete in cs2, and at this point people just speak of him from his csgo days. Btw, he is not the csgo goat, dev1ce is. Making kills isn't everything, set up matters as well, and I don't see any team (besides Vitality, but why would they change zywoo) who would want to switch to this style of team setup with 1 star player and 4 players for set up, especially with the current situation.

The thing with Snax on GL is that it might be that they weren't good not cuz of bad igling, but cuz simply the caliber of players wasn't great. Which shows even more how good of an igl is siuhy, that he managed to get with this lineup to the major final (and how insane was iM's run). I am not trying to set any opinion on who is a better igl or who can get more out of this team, but if you want to compare them with eachotber compare also all the team pieces, that they had to work with. And the thing with "why remove Hooxi" - maybe the team lost trust to his playstyle, maybe they thought he reached his ceiling and it wasn't enough? We can't be really sure. It's not so simple as "they weren't so bad, so igl should stay". If they lost trust to the foundation/structure, how can they stay still on it and feel supported? I agree, its a weird move, but maybe before any real judgement we should wait for reality check

The most boring part of these mid changes is I don't think that teams like Vitality and Faze feel pressured to make a change. I think the other top teams sticking means potentially a Spirit era inbound. Mouz can beat them but they're stage frauds.

16:27 GamerLegion was a Paris finalist bcs of Siuhy and iM, not only Siuhy imo

This boy is looking more handsome as ever! boy looks like the damn king of Persia

It’s sad for me honestly about G2. My dream scenario was to put Hooxi as a coach, Niko as IGL and just get a proper anchor like Perfecto. These G2 would feel so.. sensible and stacked? I don’t believe that G2 didn’t have money for perfecto. Perfecto was the only one in c9 who always did his job well consistently.

I think Taz is the culprit here. Because of IEM Dallas, Taz seems to have used it as leverage to get his cronies in.

I don't remember b1t coming with much hype when he joined NaVi. I do remember many thinking the move was a failure until his form shifted though.

It's going to be fun to see this g2 hodgepodge roster go at it.

Did unc cook too much

Holy shit Launders is still alive

These 2 teams are both keeping each other from putting together the ideal roster. I think all the pieces just split between the two of them. Imagine a team with the roster Niko, M0nesy, Twistzz, NAF, jks. Instant major contender. The biggest question mark is Twistzz igl but if Twistzz says he's ready to take on the igl role I say give him a chance he brings experience from playing under karrigan, and even if it's not perfect he has Niko who has experience igling at a high level who can share a bit of the burden.

I genuinely thought G2 was gonna keep hooxi and replace nexa with a better anchor (Perfecto)... and here we are. LIquid... no idea. Too many variables at once. But I can see a small chance that Ultimate performs and that somehow twistzz is a valid igl. Might happen. Not likely at all though.

The problem I see with s1mple to liquid is that liquid would miss that young spark that every team needs. The extra hunger of young player that drives the older players to grind. That's what monesy brings to G2 and what team Falcons lacks

I feel like the ultimate move is similar to the roster change of bringing rainwaker on, its desperate, and being a liquid fan I don't think the core have it in them to develop upcoming talent. When you look at Nertz, Spinx or Stabbi its usually there's an igl like snappi and ironically cadian who hones their talents and nourishes them to a top tier player. Even an Osee the best NA awper struggled on liquid, even though I love liquid Im pretty skeptical of the move.

8:50 just fyi yekindar has a 1.22 CT rating past 3 months against top 20

I keep hearing people saying roles don't exist and every player should be able to play ''everything'' with ease. *shrugs*

Damn s1imple on Liquid would've been so interesting

Why do Liquid keep signing IGLs, refusing to buy into their calls and then cutting them?

i think almost all of t1 cs now is the exact same style and so orgs with lots of money to spend are willing to gamble on rosters that don’t necessarily make sense on paper or look like other teams in an effort to develop a different/unique style

Faze was so lucky to have robban because coaching or not he was also helping them still with roster decisions back then. Most old pros arent even close to his wisdom and they often self destruct the team instead. I read stewie's interview back then and turns out most of g2 doesnt wanna listen to taz when he's speaking idk in what terms but thats already sounds really bad

NiKo IGLing Dallas was just a fluke. If we're going to talk about fraud watch, NiKo IGL during that event massive fraud watch. He didn't have to come up with his own strats. All he had to do was recite the strats that hooxi came up with. And with Stewie knowing how to read Karrigan night and die. Also Stewie is an insane mid round caller. G2 definitely lacked a lot when it came to mid rounds. Actually a lot of the T1 teams right now are missing that mid round special element. That Astralis was so fucking powerful for. It's so annoying that people don't respect hooxi that much because of stats. It's like we all ignored/forgot all of the years NiKo had insane roster lineups and couldn't win. He gets hooxi and jks and there was actually some stability there. Competing against teams like FaZe and other lineups. NiKo had insane fragger lineups for YEARS couldn't win. He gets the worst fragging IGL of all time and a mid anchor and they finally start having some success. And it's ALL because of m0nesy and NiKo? Like NiKo didn't already have his choosing with all the best players for years. Reminder STILL COULDN'T WIN MAN. NiKo just needs to get some fucking players that aren't worried about making it to the HLTV top 20 and just want to win. He single handedly derailed malbs career. We aren't taking the depth of this malbs pickup seriously enough. Malbs could've gotten signed to another team and he'd be a top 5 hltv player, we could've gotten highlights. He could've been a star. Now he's going to be a A anchor. Not have much setup for kills and everyone is going to say he's washed. And won't have a career in CS2. This happens to so many players it's insane. They did it to nexa. NA CS has done it to every single up coming talent player... ever. We threw away TenZ cuz he was forced to play bitch roles, while Daps goes lurking with bomb by himself and dies. Daps makes the WORST call in history and some how we just expect TenZ to kill 4 people on the site. While mixwell is whiffing the easiest awp shots. But nope it's all TenZ' fault. Broky, and m0nesy were able to join teams with SEASONED veterans and given time. TenZ had like 2 months to learn how to play Tier 1 teams. On a Tier 1 org with a tier 3 roster.... Daps most overrated IGL/Coach ever. We need people like n0thing to start going into coaching roles etc. Instead all of our best players become twitch streamers.

Perfect video to eat these chicken tenders to. Thanks lau

Liquid's roster makes total sense. They needed to keep a core and add 2 without investing any money. So, that says it all

24:26, navi were International before EU roaster

I think snax is going to surprise you. He's super flexible as IGL and he's one of the most dedicated player in the scene. In GL he worked with 3 youngsters so I don't get the argument that he didn't achieve anything in GL. Malbs in M80 wasn't so aggressive as you point in the video. I also think he's flexible. He might lack some stuff on anchor role, but somehow I see it working for G2. We will see I guess :P Great video btw ❤

What would you think if Niko took some on the anchor roles?

Unfortunately I am Polish so I ignored everything you said

I feel like these big teams want to replicate what FaZe did with Broky. Picked up an unknown guy that turned out to be amazing. But even FaZe first picked up Bymas and he didn't live up to expectations. It's not a science. IMO it's very hard to use "past experiences" as indicators of whether or not these can work. The players are ultimately what can make or break these moves. It's nice to theory craft but we really can't predict these. Cloud9 god tier roster fails. NAVI roster without s1mple wins the major. CadiaN with an arguably better team fails miserably. None of these make sense on paper, so I see little advantage in predicting too much into these. The on paper version is simply not real.

JKS and that damn smile

Hey launders, I share your thoughts about those two rosters. All the news of new signings kind of confused me because I couldn't see any sense in it. But I wondered what you think about the new BIG Lineup with rigon. Since I'm a german I am really excited about this signing but I have the feeling that one piece has to step up or get changed too. What are your thoughts about the signing and what piece do you think BIG would need to be a top 10/15 contender again? Love all your hate, racism and love and be happy to see you in the commentator seat again in near future!❤

the old g2 with jks doesnt have any problem to begin with changes with.... hooxi works with them. or they could just change the anchor role with someone that can replace jks...... no need for this changes they do but idk, its a 50/50 team rn for g2 they will work or they will just wont work and get too agressive.

@launders Very good points, loved the video

Just bought $300 worth of clothes, and now I get to listen to 20 minutes of hating. Thank you launders.

21:11 Not to mention the angry bettor vitriol. I'm definitely one of those people cheering for Monesy and Niko though. Personally I think Niko not ever winning a major would be even beyond Guardian not winning levels of unfortunate.

I cant wait for Malbs' rating to rightfully plummet by at least .18 because he won't be farming t4 NA anymore only for the community to find any other reason to blame for the drop in his stats.

so wrong bozo

I like Hunter a lot but I'm not sure if he is really back to old form tbh.

Not the echo of siuhy...the echo of Nealan...

I like to say you can’t win games as an anchor but you can definitely lose games as an anchor

Liquid did not give their talent enough time, they needed more time to build chemistry and a team identity. They were sticking to the roles they WERE good at and comfortable with, the game and your roster is different. Twistzz wants to play like FaZe, YEKINDAR aggressive, cadiaN like heroic, etc. They needed to put in work to build the liquid system. Development and coaching needs to step up.

Reality is that G2 probably saved money whilst waiting for a better slot filler than Snax. Snax agreed because money was decent and he gets the prestige of a T1 team at his age. I don't expect them to win anything for the next 6 months unless some miracle happens. Then they will replace Snax with a younger promising player with capacity to grow.

Cadian would have done wonders for a player in like ultimate and JKS in the line up. I feel like they should have built around Cadians leadership lol. Idk if I sounds stupid or not

Enjoyed that take. Not only are there some careers being potentially wasted, calling foul on the salary economy they created is bang on the money ✌️

G2 had to make a change their previous roster wasn’t good enough. You have to take a shot and if you understand how salaries work they can’t just afford everyone. Snax might of been the best budget player they could get for the money they had to spend

I feel like twistzz to IGL is going to be a weaker version of yekky IGL, just a rifler trying to call like their last igl did. And basing almost everything off of how his last IGL (karrigan) saw the game.

Im cheering for Twistz since 2019 and im really worried about an idea of him igling in liquid. I think thats a bad idea honestly

hey lau i think that if they replace yekindar with gla1ve the rooster could be better