i agree with this but most online players when go to live have a problem they dont know how to controll tells which doesnt matter that much in low stakes but mid stakes it matter

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Jaja, good line

dumb and dumber, love that hahaahhahaahha

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More like 1 out of a million

You're Welcome :)

hahaha awesome, its an aquarium lol, dont tap the glass

Probably play looser preflop, 3-bet a bit tighter especially vs the EP raise, and then just mostly put them on AAxx vs 3bet.

PLO live is the slowest game you could possibly play.

You are welcome Joao! We are glad we can help :)

Did you make it as a pro?

@@highstakes1235 you ever heard of him? Obviously not lol.

If what you like about poker is interacting with other people you should go to a party/dinner/movie with some friends and not have to risk losing money, or looking like a fool trying to make conversation at a poker table.

Yawg moth you're very young

Find another way to interact, like a bar, club, whatever. I'm going to show up with headphones drowning out all noise. The only time you'll interact with me is to pass your chips. I'll smile in grattitude.

nerves are hard to keep calm in a big bluff/hand /pot, shakily grabbing chips when u have the nuts haha, its a horrible spot to be in. Hope u get there bud

xxxViceroyxxx "stiff competition" this is way too general of a statement. When on-line players sit on a live table, I am the stiff competition. I am the one with the good win rate and they are the ones with the inefficiencies. Probably some of them will adjust, but as I see this will be a slow process and most of them won't be able to adjust at all. So please if you have some words of wisdom for me: in your opinion, what exactly am I missing playing only live? Thanx

xxxViceroyxxx thanks for the insight. I understand the logic behind optimal plays and changes to the game. I doubt though that the online players are the best at any table. From my 5-6 year experience playing live almost every day in many countries I found out that internet player are naked without their hud statistics. Also because they play many tables online they become very picky, to the point that in a live table they catch QsJs in MP1 and they don't know what to do with it because online they fold it! But when you are dealt 20-25 hands/hour in live play you cannot fold it.

any tips for live would be much appreciated by me honestly as im considering just giving it a try as never been as seems intimidating ha and id prob have to get the train into london and go one of the casinos there to do it but really do want to give it a try. jroffe9992@gmail.com

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I will, probably in a couple weeks. I have been busy the last month or so.

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160 on turn*

Sorry I messed up typing this I forgot I was in position the other player wasn't co it was the Sb. His line was c/c, c/c, c/r.

what did he end up having?

David H u say pay off cuz 2:1 but what bluffs does he have for u to be correct 33% of the time? Maybe Ad blocker and that's about it. Don't think he's calling two streets on a straight draw on a monotone flop. Check call river or bet fold.

+RiyuichiAndAllan A2-A9 with A of diamonds, j8-j9 with j of diamonds. I also thought he had less value in his range given his incredibly docile line on a sloppy wet flop. And if I'm folding this that means I'm only calling with flushes? And maybe AQ? Doesn't seem like enough hands without KQ. Having the K of diamonds isn't the greatest though I'm blocking a good number of bluffs. It feels close.

Wow. I might kill it when I try live. I'm excited.

@james b but you get that at virtually every level. i don't think the format defines the strength of the players/pool unless you're talking sites like ACR or Ignition but i get what OP means

If you have the money to go play, then go play! Don't take more than you're willing to lose and if you do happen to lose realize that it was a good learning experience either way!

Do you A.) Have $100-$300 to spend in one night without it ruining you if you lose? B.) Live near or can travel to a Casino that has a regular 1-2 nl game? If the answers are yes are yes you are ready to take a stab. Its low stakes poker.....not fucking brain surgery.

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try bovada poker i heard they are trustworthy

klet marriet I'll look into that, thanks for the tip

it's called Science I'm in the same boat. Hell, it's called Texas Hold 'em, you'd expect it to not be treated like a damn drug here..

ignition casino or America cardroom

betonline

Crookedflush 20 buy ins for any stake.

Lauro Padilla I think you mean 20 Big blinds right?

@@goldenbanjo197 No they meant buy-ins, as the question was about a bankroll. And 20 is on the light side.

Your comment makes no sense. Why would you fold AK if you know he has 83?

Beacuase 8 3 Will Open is rigged

Thanks cg :)

Yeah this is pretty typical for live game. You'll see a lot of mergy mergy bets, right in the middle of the range. Bettin or raising so as to make your opponent fold all worse hands and call all better ones. It happens when someone just decides they want to win this particular hand, they get some kind of tell or feel or something. Also many people don't feel comfortable bluffing with complete air. Be careful not to bluffcatch too light against players like this.

I think he is trying to get value from a king. In my experience its not unreasonable for a king to call the river and he may believe a 7x hand is very unlikely for whatever reason.

Yeah, live, AK needs to be 3-b & fold to a 4-b jam, you are risking 1000s of $ to flop an A or a K, if you are against AA or KK especially AA you are losing. Online, it’s different as people respect your 3-b & fold, you can run multiple times, online the guy might be playing with his last 100$ & need to wait for his paycheck, so might fold JJ/QQ pre when you 4-b jam or 3-b heavy as the guy might think he is against AA/KK. Live it’s different, people have a lot of money/ they just call you down with top-pair like 9 high flop 952, you 3-b with AK, guy calls you down with Q9. Live is different, you either play GTO pot control or just Fold AK on dry boards

@@shadowsmessage you've got it all wrong every situation is different.. gto should be your backbone but don't be afraid to exploit the game

Alec Torelli's Hidden Chips Hey, thanks for the response. I always change my game, I play a lot aggressive exploitative live & online I play GTO, pot control as players are far better & have been playing for atleast 10-20 years & cant be that easily exploited. Most of the live players are fish & mostly recreational.I’m a 2/5, 5/10 player live & online I usually play 1/2 & 2/4, Played 5/10 couple of times & it’s hard to exploit online 5/10 players

@@shadowsmessage online 1/2 is about 10x tougher than live 1/2

@@shadowsmessage thanks for the reply tho I agree with everything you said I play live cash as well but mainly focus on ACR tourneys and some live events

Well, you could stop blaming "variance" and start playing better. Have you tried/considered that?

Where do you play? At the low stakes across the US this isn't true.

Mel Finehout... where CAN one play online in the US?

America's card room (aka ACR) Ignition casino and carbon poker are the ones I've played. There are a few others.

upswingpoker.com

Honestly Gary I am going to have to disagree. I think anyone that beats 2/4 online would very quickly be one of the biggest winner in any 5/10 live game. I would compare 5/10 live to .5/1 online. I think there is definitely some virtue to being comfortable live, reading body language, and having a certain expectation for what to expect, but the fact of the matter is that online poker is SO much tougher than live almost seems like play money in comparison.

I like your thoughts on game play but putting a 2/4 online player into a game that could have 8-10 grand on the table will affect you the first few times ,not to mention TOKES,TILT ,TELLS and ANGLE SHOOTERS . I think he would retreat to online rather than invest most of his money into a bigger game with wilder swings...

Gary is a fish…terrible advice here

kdub77 How do yall live players feel about new players? i've goofed off a little with buddies, but no real games, and wanted to try it out. Would they just get frustrated with someone as new as me? would about $1,000 be enough for a pretty good poker session?

just show up Tony, people will view you as a fish until you show your first set..

who doesnt like poker while taking a dump

in that way yes but theres something stuff better live emotion and the rng cuz rng and no bots also tells

MrRoyalFlush Games I think they are different skills, I wouldn’t say one is harder. I am not that good at online but I crush it at the casino live games. They are all very skilled players too. We will get an occasional fish but everyone there knows how to play a mixed range and it’s hard to tell who has what. I think you need different skills live. You may have some tells that you don’t even realize when you get hands. It is a lot more intimate and can be more intimidating playing live also. I play online for fun sometimes and it’s real easy to hide behind that computer screen. Not so much when your opponent is staring you down. They are definitely two different skills but I can see how you think what you think. I think the same about online. I also don’t trust ignition poker and think there could be some cheatiNg on their site ;)

just a terrible butchered hand from start to finish you just proved Ryan's premise (that live poker is ridic) soft :)

Where in the world is $700 the cap on anything ever. Sounds like you made this up on the spot. Apparently you picked a bad time to make up a story on the spot.

Warwick Farguson good lord. This hand was definitely butchered. You're obviously up against a fish if he's 3 betting your raise of 100 to 150. AK has so much equity against pretty much any hand. I'd rather you 4bet than flat. After the flop, you're relying on some weird, faulty reads instead of just playing good poker.

hotrodsather why don't you like up spread limit poker and state betting laws before making accusations. It's more common than you think

You played incredibly bad

lol shut up you numbskull. If i dont want to talk to people the table and simply play poker and listen to musc whats wrong with that?

kinda lame humour

No idea what you even mean.

what the hell are u talking about-buttoff cotton whatthe hell

Lol yeah some online guys annoy the shit out of me at the poker table. They act like everyone should know how to play solid poker and they will act baffled whenever a live player does something dumb. Its just them trying to advertise their superiority mostly.

To be honest tho. Most of the online guys who act like that aren't very good online players. Usually bad online regs.

HUDs come with a learning curve. It takes a considerable amount of time to be able to first gather and THEN correctly interpret the data of a HUD. It's not as if the data is automatically translated into decisions for the player. Additionally, HUDs don't help you to construct your ranges to maximize EV nor prevent exploitation. They only give you a basic, skeletal framework for exploitative play against opponents that you've gathered statistically significant samples of. Online poker is tougher for so many more reasons than the presence of HUDs. Players who play solely online make better decisions because they are more experienced than live players. This is because the number of hands online players see per hour is far higher than the number that live players see, due to fixed time limits, multi-tabling, and a software dealer. This means players who spend an equivalent amount of time live and online are not equivalently experienced. Additionally, online players are often more technically sound, meaning that they understand the mathematics of the game better. It's necessary to understand the math behind decisions because online players have no additional sources of information that live players may have (physical tells). In order to be +EV over a significant sample, a player needs to be TRULY better at decision making and range construction than the field he is playing. In order to do this, online players have incorporated study tools (not just simple HUDs) that live players have never even heard about. These tools include toy games, simulations (like CREV, PioSolver, GTORB), and for some adepts, even advanced math. Obviously, these tools take a LONG time to implement into your game. For example, one CREV simulation could take an entire day to run correctly, and that's for ONE board (flop, turn, and river) against ONE player heads up. This is also the reason why players have taken quite a few years in order to take just a few more steps to being "GTO." I'd like to stress that the lessons learned from these study tools carry over to live play and create far stronger results than just using a HUD properly. If they have truly digested this information, top online players can exert a significant edge playing live even without being technologically assisted while playing.

YoungNiggaElec I don't care if takes time to learn an hud or not, the possibility to work on it is still there, which is something a human can't do live. If you take the highest cash game winning cumulated in the world, negranu is dominating it and he's a live player and can't even beat NL50 online, not because online players are better, but because the player pool is so polarized with different stupid plays and some few good players that 95% of the field end up a losing/break even player. In live poker, there's certain spot where you can make the right decision because the player is in front of you and you saw how he played and his tendencies, online you can't do that because players just click buttons and the good players get fishy when tilted so their play is never the same. I'm not saying online isn't beatable, it is, i'm a NL25 grinder, but the luck factor comes a lot more into play than live because there's not much difference in stakes except your bankroll management.

Isildur and Dwan STARTED playing online and HUDs were occasionally used in those sessions depending on the game. It's also not even close to "old poker". Isildur especially only became a big name in 2009 and Dwan is still considered one of the older new school players.. Also, HUDs are useful I won't deny it but it's not the be all end all of online poker. For example playing Zoom on Stars often you don't get enough data on players to use your HUD efficiently so you're quite often playing blind anyway and any info you might get often only hints at tendencies rather than explicitly state them. A truly great player can beat Zoom at all levels no HUD at all. It wouldn't be easy but it's definitely possible. Also Negreanu is not dominating cash games at all. He's had many HORRIBLE seasons on high stakes live poker. He's not even close to one of the biggest cash game winners. In fact he's a massively losing player in most televised high stakes cash game shows.

***** 'occasionally did use HUD' No they didn't lol, they openly said in an interview they never used one and they didn't like the idea of it and that's the main reasons big high stakes online pros stopped playing on the net and rather play in private games in Macau

Nazim Sorry, worded it badly, I meant in the Durrrr/Isildur sessions depending on what they were playing not specifically by them but by other high/mid stake pros of the time.

Steve Davis i was about to ask the same

as far as tracking programs go, its not cheating if everyone is allowed to do it.

What’s that

Doesnt having a tracker, make it easier to catch cheaters? Also, ever wonder why you see the 1 table with 12 ppl in que. Look up the players sitting there, for the cash cow. :)

Drastick Rebel meth. Smoke 💨 too much

Live players are not ALL wizards. Internet players are not ALL wizards. Online players are generally better. If you put an above average online player at a live table they would be bored to death because you have to be VERY patient.

Party Bear I bet you crush everyone on the felt. Your poker mind is clearly superior to the rest of us

Bullshit. I just got bust twice out of live tournaments.. 88 vs AA when 10 bb attacking the blinds. It's not rigged.

lmfao

If you can prove that ANY site uses rigged software they would face A) fines (millions of dollars) and B) lawsuits (for millions of dollars). Bad beats happen and the better you are the more bad beats you get since a bad beat requires you to get your money in vs a worse hand which should happen a lot if you're good. I would love to go all in 1000 times AA vs 77 even though I would have 200 bad beats, would you?

@@MK-13337 you would have 350 bad beats.

@@mariusm5660 Preflop 77 vs AA is about 4:1 dog. If none of the suits match (for example AsAc vs 7d7h) I would get 213 bad beats (on average, AA wins 79.74%) and if all the suits match (AsAc vs 7s7c) I would have 191 bad beats, AA wins 80.97% here. Dunno where you got 350 from my dude.

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