Why Locomotives Can Pull So Much

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Southern Plains Railfan

Southern Plains Railfan

Жыл бұрын

In today's video, we go over all the things that allow locomotives to pull trains many times their weight.

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@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan Жыл бұрын
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@rdbchase
@rdbchase 11 ай бұрын
"Why [sic] Locomotives Can Pull So Much" -- "How"!!!
@Prof.Silky.
@Prof.Silky. 10 ай бұрын
@@rdbchasebro u good?
@rdbchase
@rdbchase 10 ай бұрын
@@Prof.Silky. It's not enough for me to know the difference -- I want even KZfaq posters to!
@danborgo
@danborgo 10 ай бұрын
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@mysticjedi6730
@mysticjedi6730 10 ай бұрын
No offense, but look up the term exponentially.
@johnjohnii5849
@johnjohnii5849 11 ай бұрын
When I was a kid, my grandpa took me to a siding in town where they parked covered hoppers waiting to be loaded with silica. He uncoupled one and released the handbrake before pushing it probably 25ft, then rolled it back by hand. Seeing that at 5 years old, I thought he was like superman or something.
@ChristianShirk-oo9jh
@ChristianShirk-oo9jh 11 ай бұрын
Cool but probably illegal
@David..
@David.. 10 ай бұрын
@@ChristianShirk-oo9jhohh well. Can’t let the man tell you what to do all the time.
@ashevilletrainman6989
@ashevilletrainman6989 10 ай бұрын
@@ChristianShirk-oo9jhit’s a lie cuz you can’t uncouple rail cars if they’re standing still.
@bottlekruiser
@bottlekruiser 10 ай бұрын
@@ashevilletrainman6989 you cant just drop that and not elaborate
@zenjon7892
@zenjon7892 10 ай бұрын
​@@ashevilletrainman6989unless it's the one on the end
@davel4708
@davel4708 11 ай бұрын
I'm led to believe that some subway networks have stations at the crest of a slight incline. This means that the train is effectively using the up hill section before the station to help slow down and the downhill section immediately after the station to speed up. A pretty simple system when you think about it but it must save a lot of energy and brake wear.
@xaenon
@xaenon 11 ай бұрын
Most subways have traction motors under each car, so the tractive effort is distributed.
@nicholaslau3194
@nicholaslau3194 10 ай бұрын
some are even rubber-tired, especially useful for steep grades
@weppwebb2885
@weppwebb2885 10 ай бұрын
@@nicholaslau3194 well yeah, by being rubber tired they also loose the advantage of low friction while putting a lot of wear on the road (every train on exactly the same track) and tires. Is a rubber tired train more bumpy than a "normal" one? never been in one, would be interesting.
@davel4708
@davel4708 10 ай бұрын
@@nicholaslau3194 Yeah, I think the Paris Metro is like that. Might be wrong though.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott 10 ай бұрын
That's the situation in Toronto.
@Greatdome99
@Greatdome99 11 ай бұрын
Wheel-rail friction is minimal compared to wheel bearing friction. Wheel flange friction on curves can be significant, too. Coupler slack also includes coupler-to-coupler (loose fit) slack, most apparent in model trains. Locomotive traction control systems actually exceed the theoretical friction limit (mu = ~0.3) by pulsing the traction motors as do your car's anti-lock brakes.
@janradtke8318
@janradtke8318 10 ай бұрын
I have not heard about pulsing, but in Europe electrical locomotives use a controlled slipping to achieve optimal traction (in addition to sanding). The wheels turn slightly faster as required for the speed and the traction control system ensures that the slip is in the right range.
@1albasim
@1albasim 10 ай бұрын
shut up nigga
@philrogers4535
@philrogers4535 10 ай бұрын
@@janradtke8318 Great comment, mate. Does that wear the tracks and wheels out?
@barryduff5058
@barryduff5058 10 ай бұрын
​@@janradtke8318 i have read that modern AC Diesel electric locos do the same thing. Very cool that😀
@yo_marc
@yo_marc 10 ай бұрын
@@janradtke8318that’s really interesting. Reminds me of how I read that when one of the fastest production motorcycles is at its ~200mph top speed, it’s rear wheel is actually turning at about 10mph faster than that due to slippage as the bike is pushing against wind resistance. It’s not directly related to your example, but still neat to think about.
@asds714
@asds714 Жыл бұрын
This answered so many questions! Great explanation of the draft gear. I'm from Colorado, and I always wondered how much weight a train gains in a snowstorm - I'm thinking it has to be significant.
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’m glad you found the video informational. Ya know, that’s a good question, because snow ain’t light. I imagine in a blizzard the train wound gain at least several hundred pounds of weight.
@asds714
@asds714 Жыл бұрын
@@Southern_Plains_Railfan I would guess in some of the conditions here would easily add a ton per car. See many cars caked with ice
@MichaelJohnson-dt8tv
@MichaelJohnson-dt8tv 11 ай бұрын
Highly informative! I have been aware of progressive clanging of the couplers as a train goes into motion, since I was a kid. The idea of the effect of overcoming static friction one car at a time never occurred to me. It makes sense though, and your explanation made it easier to grasp the theory. Way Cool! Thank you.
@coloradostrong
@coloradostrong 11 ай бұрын
@@asds714 We generally pull into a siding before hitting Colorado, and put _snowchains_ on the drive wheels. Never notice the snow.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott 10 ай бұрын
Back in the 70s, when I was with CN, my office was often in or next to a rail yard. I'd often hear the banging, as a train moved out.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott 10 ай бұрын
Years ago, I worked for CN and in the mid 70s often rode on freights. One thing I soon found out is the engineer didn't want to stop the train, if he didn't have to. So, he'd bring it down dead slow, allowing me to hop on or off. If I had equipment to carry, I'd have to space it out alongside the track and hand it up, a piece at a time, to a crew member. BTW, one detail about starting a slack trains, the more cars that are moving, the more momentum that can be used to move more cars.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott 10 ай бұрын
@@anon_148 Canadian National Railway. Back then, I was a technician for CN Telecommunications. I worked on systems for both the railway and external customers. In the mid 70s, I was based in Capreol, Ontario (near Sudbury), which is on the main line between Toronto & Montreal and Vancouver. The track between Capreol and Armstrong (North of Thunder Bay) was pretty much in the middle of nowhere, in Northern Ontario. This meant if I had work to do, anywhere along that stretch of track, I had to go by train. While there was passenger service, there were a lot more freights, so I often rode them.
@kenadams2261
@kenadams2261 10 ай бұрын
@@James_Knott That's really cool!
@mikehunt3420
@mikehunt3420 10 ай бұрын
@@James_Knottsounds like a hell of a job
@James_Knott
@James_Knott 10 ай бұрын
@@mikehunt3420 There was also a lot of killing time, waiting for the next train. On the other hand, there were times I was sitting in the club car, having a beer, while making time & a half! 🙂
@manavshah8335
@manavshah8335 10 ай бұрын
@@James_Knott Damn thats really cool. i love the railways too, and the enggineering behind them. Would be cool if you shared some stories from your career. Cheers!
@kens.3729
@kens.3729 Жыл бұрын
Never realized the friction point between the train wheel and the rail is only the size of a dime. Sand and traction motors are huge for locomotives to move. Thanks! 👍
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan Жыл бұрын
Yeah, there’s a lot of neat stuff that goes on with trains, and everything feels oversized. You’re welcome!
@lim-dulspaladin50
@lim-dulspaladin50 10 ай бұрын
I was a Hostler for the Rio Grande before the UP merger. We had a GE rep come in and tell us how the new GE AC locomotive could pull just as well with 5 traction motors as it did with 6. I replied that the maximum point of traction is the instant before slip. If you remove 1 motor you remove 1/6th of the contact points. The rest is either not pulling at the max or the extra #6 motor is useless. I then laid 6 dimes down on the table (representing 1 truck) and took away two to demonstrate how his promotional materials didn't jive with reality 😁
@arda_ufukk
@arda_ufukk 10 ай бұрын
Friction doesn't actually depend on the contact area. The reason for the low friction coefficient is material and the structure.
@bensonboys6609
@bensonboys6609 10 ай бұрын
⁠@@arda_ufukkyeah, I think there is a lot of confusion surrounding friction. Friction is completely independent of contact patch f=uN. Also, in the context of wheels, friction/traction does not equal rolling resistance. You can have infinite friction/no slipping between the wheel and the ground, but if the bearings are frictionless than the system is frictionless. Also, especially with with pneumatic tires, friction can arise from the tire deforming as it rolls. If the tire doesn’t spring back with same energy it took to deform the tire, that energy is taken from the vehicle’s momentum and lost to heat, even when no sliding occurred with the ground. This is partly why trains are so efficient, steel doesn’t deform much, but when it does, it returns almost all of the energy back into the rebound.
@doughuffman5790
@doughuffman5790 11 ай бұрын
I’m old. Trained in physics. I never knew before the essential function of the Draft Gear. Thank you very much. Thank’s for the sweet Southeron accent! God Bless y’all.
@wayneparker9331
@wayneparker9331 11 ай бұрын
This was a very clear and concise explanation of how locomotives can move so much weight. Thank you for taking the time to explain the physics and engineering behind locomotives. 👏👏👏
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan 11 ай бұрын
You're welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed!
@doxielain2231
@doxielain2231 10 ай бұрын
I used to be a freight hopping traveling punk, and spent many an hour listening to cars shuffle around in the yard. I had no idea that slack was a design feature, not a bug. Thanks!
@DEtchells
@DEtchells 10 ай бұрын
That’s so interesting about the slack being needed for the loco to start the train - it makes total sense but never occurred to me as a deliberate design choice.
@MegaMGstudios
@MegaMGstudios 3 ай бұрын
When I was little I was completely obsessed with trains. Guess it never truly faded.
@tahititoutou3802
@tahititoutou3802 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video. I've learned something. However, I suggest you check the true meaning of the word "exponentially" in a dictionary ; the friction and inertia of a train as you add cars is not exponential, but additive. If it was exponential, event the longest draft gears would be useless past 5 or 10 cars, even with DPUs.
@schoolssection
@schoolssection 11 ай бұрын
Yes indeed. Americans tend to be weak with numbers. "decimate" and "order of magnitude" are examples.
@Parents_of_Twins
@Parents_of_Twins 10 ай бұрын
@@schoolssection Perhaps I'm wrong but I think that people in general have a tendency to utilize some words incorrectly not just Americans. Decimate is 1/10 destroyed and order of magnitude is generally the power of 10, at least as a scientist that's how I have heard it used most frequently.
@ctrlaltdebug
@ctrlaltdebug 10 ай бұрын
I suppose they are using hyperbole.
@ivok9846
@ivok9846 10 ай бұрын
are you sure static friction of 100 cars is exactly equivalent to 100 times one car? somehow i would expect more....much more. and that's probably because adding cars is adding both weight (of cars) and friction(of increased number of wheels). so i wouldn't expect linear progression.
@OneWheelGuy1
@OneWheelGuy1 10 ай бұрын
@@ivok9846 I came here to make exactly the same point about the misuse of "exponentially". Exponentially would mean that (for example) one car doubles the static friction, the next one doubles it again, and so on, so that 10 cars would have 1,024 times as much friction. And yes, I'm pretty sure that the static friction is simply additive. Each car adds the same amount of weight and the same amount of wheels, and they are independent - the weight of one car doesn't increase the static friction of nearby cars.
@BritishBeachcomber
@BritishBeachcomber 11 ай бұрын
The first freight wagons on British railways were limited to 14 tons because they used a horse to move them about in the freight yard and that's how much a horse can pull
@cxmx3295
@cxmx3295 Жыл бұрын
I was starting to get worried because you haven’t been uploading for two weeks so I’m glad you uploaded and I am glad your ok.
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan Жыл бұрын
No need to worry about me, I just lost some footage and had to start from scratch a little late in the week. Thank you for being concerned, though.
@nicholastrainssd75m45
@nicholastrainssd75m45 Жыл бұрын
I remember railfanning in a train yard once and I was amazed at how many cars one GP38 could handle on it’s own even the little engines are very strong.
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I’ve seen an SD40-2 pull a mile long train all be itself, with no brakes on the cars.
@WTC2014
@WTC2014 Жыл бұрын
Here at Conrail we do 100+ buckets with one 6 axle all the time. Shoving into the port
@deviousdieselqc
@deviousdieselqc 9 ай бұрын
Little engines can do big things ;)
@synthwav
@synthwav 4 ай бұрын
Imagine the monsters UP 4014 Hauled, 3985 did pull some 200-car intermodal (no assistance) with ease
@MystiC71038
@MystiC71038 21 күн бұрын
4 axle locomotives are also strong too yk. Conrail and alot of bunch of other railroads made 4 axle locomotives lead mainline trains and even intermodal trains until 6 axle widecabs replaced them.
@haulem
@haulem Жыл бұрын
Learned something today. The draft gear explanation makes a lot of sense. Will check out more of your videos.
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I’m glad you found the video informative! I hope you find some of my other videos just as informative as well.
@davidcoombs1874
@davidcoombs1874 10 ай бұрын
Thought you’d find this funny. I’m an engineer for BNSF. I’m literally sitting at work right now, stopped with my train. Feet kicked up on the dash waiting for lights to pull. I have a 20,000 ton coal load. I never really knew how these things can pull as much as they do but thanks for clearing that up lol. This particular unit is an AC4400CW and as the name implies, 4400 hp. Still it’s pretty impressive that it can pull all this weight even up hill.
@roadtoad7704
@roadtoad7704 9 ай бұрын
Hello. I'll try to be quick. There's a CSX siding behind my house here in Central Alabama. Many southbound coal trains heading to Mobile. I was able to talk shortly to the stopped engineer one time. He said he had 16,000 T behind him with no helper in the consist! 🤯 With you being with BNSF you may be familiar with the old Memphis Frisco Bridge, in operation for 130 years! And 15,000 T BNSF coal trains STILL use it! Being an OTR trucker, I've passed it many times on the I 55 interstate bridge. I'm always stunned that the bridge can still handle it. (So much for "keeping it short")
@davidcoombs1874
@davidcoombs1874 9 ай бұрын
@@roadtoad7704 I actually worked as a conductor at CSX for 10 years before moving to NE for a promotion. I’ve only been an engineer for two years now but it’s definitely been a fun experience so far!!
@trialsted
@trialsted 11 ай бұрын
Low rolling resistance not low friction. The friction coefficient of steel on steel can actually quite high
@mathemitelmar5546
@mathemitelmar5546 10 ай бұрын
For the static case we first have to overcome static friction, after the initial movement its rolling resistance
@isurukarunaratna440
@isurukarunaratna440 10 ай бұрын
@@mathemitelmar5546if there isn’t any static friction the wheel would be slipping. So it is not overcoming the static friction but it takes the help of the static friction to accelerate.
@birdsoup777
@birdsoup777 10 ай бұрын
Best video I have seen in a long time. Draft gear: let me get going from a dead stop before I start pulling you.
@Steezicus
@Steezicus 11 ай бұрын
I was an engineer for a long time and we would never use the slack to overcome the weight to get started on steep hills. Basically anything with an incline we would would stop with all the slack stretched out. The reason being all that slack running out as you start to pull will break a knuckle or drawbar. So in theory the draft gear could help with that, but the knuckles and drawbars are not built to handle that. Draft gears are there to smooth out the slack action.
@TheHighborn
@TheHighborn 10 ай бұрын
so, what do you do in that case? I know some extremely long rains can have 2-3 engine carts running, but how does that work? you flip them on one after the other when the "slack" comes to that part of the train?
@Steezicus
@Steezicus 10 ай бұрын
@@TheHighborn so we apply air while all the motors are powered up to stop and that keeps it mostly stretched out (if there are DPU's there will be a little slack). Once we go to start on a hill you will power up everything to about 4-7 throttle depending on the weight and the hill. Once all the locomotives are loaded up we release the airbrakes and maybe hold the independent a little to keep from slipping. This minimizes any slack being allowed to form between the cars, but yes those DPU's that are pushing will create a little slack and you just have to be very careful to not release your air until ALL your motors are fully spooled up.
@TheHighborn
@TheHighborn 10 ай бұрын
@@Steezicus that was informative. Thanks
@alexander1485
@alexander1485 10 ай бұрын
we do it here for crossings, our territory here is mostly flat with a few dips and one "step" hill (step on each side) but we have a shit ton of crossings per territory, almost double per mileage.
@Steezicus
@Steezicus 10 ай бұрын
@@alexander1485 yeah we stop bunch up on flats for signal and crossings all the time. But your territory does not have any real grade it sounds like. The first thing you learn as an engineer when you start running trains is to always stopped stretched basically on any hill or grade. This goes for 150 unit coal trains and any length intermodal, etc. If you have to pull hard to start you simply cannot time it to pull out the slack smoothly as the air releases. Every train releases at different speeds and it even varies with temperature.
@MottyGlix
@MottyGlix 11 ай бұрын
It's not really the static friction. The use of roller bearings in the axles of all the rail cars minimizes that to irrelevance. It's the 𝘮𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘶𝘮 . The momentum of the unmoving cars is what makes the cars "want" to stay still, and what the locomotive is there to change. One rail car at a time, the locomotive is changing their momentum from zero velocity momentum to a moving velocity momentum, and *that's* when the train is put into motion.
@insylem
@insylem 10 ай бұрын
Came to make a similar comment.
@ShamoKwok
@ShamoKwok 7 ай бұрын
It is the inertia of the train that causes it to not want to accelerate(move), not momentum. Well change in momentum still requires a force, F=ma=(mv-mu)/t.
@mugurdobre4624
@mugurdobre4624 11 ай бұрын
...one small detail. Friction is independent on contact area. SO no mater if thet area is like a dime, or a football field. The friction would be the same. :)
@bigstupidgrin
@bigstupidgrin 10 ай бұрын
My dad's a retired engineer from Union Pacific of 40+ years. I'm always glad to see videos for this.
@LTVoyager
@LTVoyager 10 ай бұрын
Wow, I’ve never heard static friction and exponential used improperly do many times in so little time.
@ancientcoconut
@ancientcoconut 10 ай бұрын
As a Canadian, who speaks in a hard, flat English accent, it’s a pleasure to hear that soft Southern narration.
@Mullheimer
@Mullheimer 10 ай бұрын
Physics teacher from the Netherlands here - loved it, gonne show students.
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan 10 ай бұрын
That's wonderful to hear!
@FlatEarthMath
@FlatEarthMath 11 ай бұрын
Nice wipe at 3:23 :-) This video is excellent. I'd add a few things: the very low grades that trains travel over, so that changes in gravitational potential energy is minimized. With regards to static friction, it seems you're mixing that concept with momentum. Technically the "static friction" that must be overcome is in the bearings of a train's wheels, since the wheels themselves (should) never slide on the rails. So when starting a train, momentum is the key variable (because the static friction in train bearings is very low). But the draft gear aspect was fascinating! I always assumed there was just slack between the couplers. One last point: the old fashioned steam engines and modern electric motors have one thing in common: efficiency at any RPM. Internal combustion engines do not have such efficiency. Thus a modern miracle was born: the diesel-electric. :-) Keep up the good work!
@wildwizardplanet
@wildwizardplanet 10 ай бұрын
Yes he indeed mixed up concepts of inertia and static friction. Static friction between rail and wheels help the wheels to turn instead of sliding. Sliding will then produce kinetic friction. So static friction is good and don't need to be overcome and as said in video it is already quite small due to small contact area. What engines need to overcome is INERTIA.
@FlatEarthMath
@FlatEarthMath 10 ай бұрын
@@wildwizardplanet Excellent, and thanks for the details! 🙂 One minor point: static friction is very large, not small due to the psi of the contact surface. A modern diesel electric locomotive has 12 drive wheels, each with a contact surface the size of a dime. The locomotive's 430,000 lb weight is spread over a small area. The huge pressure gives a healthy amount of static friction.
@wildwizardplanet
@wildwizardplanet 10 ай бұрын
@@FlatEarthMath yes exactly what I meant to say is small area of contact. Of course static friction has to be sufficient and in these types of trains actually static friction of locomotives is the one that matters because only its wheels have traction motors. So they must have enough static friction to overcome inertia of whole train or they will slip. In fact they add extra weight to locomotives to achieve sufficient static friction.
@FlatEarthMath
@FlatEarthMath 10 ай бұрын
@@wildwizardplanet Yes, exactly. I studied engineering in college, and we went through all the "coefficient of static friction" problems the long way. I've often marvelled at the fact that the coefficient of friction of polished steel on polished steel is quite low. But those locomotives are beasts! 🙂
@kiefershanks4172
@kiefershanks4172 7 ай бұрын
Never thought about the draft gear being a major reason trains can move at all. Always thought it was strictly a damper system. Absolutely brilliant...
@laura-ann.0726
@laura-ann.0726 10 ай бұрын
I had never heard of draft gear in rail car couplers. Learn something new every day! Great video, thanks!
@Peasmouldia
@Peasmouldia 10 ай бұрын
Rolling resistance and friction are related, but not the same. Inertia is a factor even in a zero friction situation. Issac Newton was yer man were laws of motion are concerned.. Thanks and blessings brother.
@derryohalloran
@derryohalloran 10 ай бұрын
Love the combination of your sincere narration and the jazz trio. Feels like I should be preparing some red the next time I learn about trains on this channel!
@johnjkiwi7818
@johnjkiwi7818 11 ай бұрын
Great informative video. I have never seen a video that explains such a complex science so simply to a layman. Also I love the friendly, folksy southern drawl. 😄
@unclvinny
@unclvinny 11 ай бұрын
This was doggone interesting, and I could listen to your carmelly voice no matter what you were talking about.
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@fishbarbeque8540
@fishbarbeque8540 10 ай бұрын
GREAT VIDEO!!! Absolutely LOVe the chill non contrived style.
@jamesquinn5226
@jamesquinn5226 11 ай бұрын
What about inertia and the rolling friction of the wheel bearings?
@tannerhawes6890
@tannerhawes6890 10 ай бұрын
I think I'm in your intro sequence! The algorithm randomly showed me this video. I was in Salina, KS (where I attended a Kansas State satellite campus) and I think that's me with the white hat on the far right watching Big Boy depart! I've never seen myself in a random video before!
@Bruno-G
@Bruno-G 8 ай бұрын
The more i learn about trains, the more i love them. Seriously, trains are one of the most important inventions ever.
@diogeneslantern18
@diogeneslantern18 10 ай бұрын
I never cared about trains but this has gotten me interested!
@toolsteel8482
@toolsteel8482 11 ай бұрын
Timken ran a promotional film in the 1930’s where four young ladies pulled a large locomotive because of precision bearings demonstrating the rolling efficiency of train wheels.
@Greatdome99
@Greatdome99 11 ай бұрын
Don't forget body builder Charles Atlas towing a PRR Broadway Limited observation car in the late 1930s!
@monkeyman1282
@monkeyman1282 10 ай бұрын
I was just thinking about this topic yesterday and lo and behold, youtube recommends this video. Fantastic explanation!
10 ай бұрын
This is also a great explanation why it is so hard to start uphill. If you are uphill, there is no slack as the carts are trying to roll back. Unless you have fancy breaking system that would prevent them rolling when you start accelerating of course.
@mrvwbug4423
@mrvwbug4423 8 ай бұрын
On North American locomotives and older euro locos (ones with lapped brakes) it's normal to start applying power as the brakes are releasing. That way you have torque applied to the wheels as the brakes come off to prevent rollback. Modern Euro locomotives simply don't release the brakes until you apply power.
@davidintokyo
@davidintokyo 11 ай бұрын
Nicely done! I figured that there would be enough slack without a specific slack-providing mechanism, but, nope, I figured wrong. Thanks for setting me straight.
@dangeary2134
@dangeary2134 11 ай бұрын
For a bit of reference, I learned this particular figure when I was a kid in sixth grade! Steel wheel on steel rail, it takes 12 lbs of effort to start it rolling. Only 9 lbs is needed to keep it moving. Even though the whelk and surface are more or less solid, the minor distortion of even hardened steel means the wheel is always rolling up the slightest of inclines. MR/Trains magazine own a boxcar that is leased to some railroad or other. As an April Fool’s article, they decided to do an evaluation of it, the same as they would a scale model. By modeling standards, it was way to light. ( go figure!! ) Moving the car took a bit of effort, but not overly so. However, STOPPING it became the larger issue! Even something done in jest can teach volumes!!!
@chriscarter7182
@chriscarter7182 11 ай бұрын
This can be easily demonstrated! "The friction of rest is always greater than the friction of motion"! Get a length of a smooth surface of your choosing. Place an object of your choosing on one end and then slowly raise that end until the object starts to move down. When your object starts moving, you will be able to slightly lower your smooth surface and the object will continue sliding down. Try it, it works.
@JRGio
@JRGio 10 ай бұрын
I have loved trains since I was a kid but I have never found a diagram or video or any type of media that illustrates how they really work in the way you described. Thank you.
@geoffreywilliams9324
@geoffreywilliams9324 Ай бұрын
Great explanation of something that I had overlooked ie the train is almost like a long spring as it gradually stretches and finally takes full load . .
@EchoJulez
@EchoJulez 6 ай бұрын
Awesome! I found this video while researching that each persons roll is on the train. Conductor, engineer, etc.
@AZqyc
@AZqyc Жыл бұрын
Very informative, clear, concise! Thanks for sharing. [Greetings from Tucson.]
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome, I’m glad you enjoyed! Greeting from Illinois.
@dj196301
@dj196301 10 ай бұрын
This is a top-notch video. Well thought-out and executed.
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@ddburdette
@ddburdette 11 ай бұрын
I question whether locomotives are pulling loads that are “exponentially heavier” than themselves. That would mean the addition of one car would square the weight pulled and a third car would cube the weight pulled and so forth.
@langdons2848
@langdons2848 10 ай бұрын
Calling the load “an order of magnitude or more heavier than themselves” would likely be a better description.
@vcMalice
@vcMalice 10 ай бұрын
He's not saying each car is exponentially heavier, literally. The total load some trains pull when all cars are moving is exponentially heavier.
@ashwanishahrawat4607
@ashwanishahrawat4607 10 ай бұрын
What a great Mechanism to solve it. Thanks for educating me.
@MrSteamDragon
@MrSteamDragon 10 ай бұрын
I learnt something new today. Thank you !
@ronaldviens7862
@ronaldviens7862 9 ай бұрын
Watching a roundhouse in action in a busy yard was like poetry in motion when I was a kid.
@sebastienlemay6120
@sebastienlemay6120 10 ай бұрын
Well made video. Straight to the point. I learned interesting concepts.
@Evaldo_Souza
@Evaldo_Souza 10 ай бұрын
Love the vid! I'm from Brazil, and always wandered why there aren't many trains here. The terrain full of hills explains why trains don't work so well here
@semareva3717
@semareva3717 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video Mr. That was really cool I walk over a railroad crossing a lot throughout my day and I didn't know anything about slack Thanks.
@prabhatgodse
@prabhatgodse 10 ай бұрын
Great video. Didn’t know so many insightful details
@Adhithya2003
@Adhithya2003 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant video, I never new about draft gear.
@tkzsfen
@tkzsfen 10 ай бұрын
The draft gear is an amazing idea, so simple, yet so efficient!
@joshbobst1629
@joshbobst1629 10 ай бұрын
Very concise and accurate. And what a mellifluous voice to explicate it.
@realcdcruze3558
@realcdcruze3558 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. Never knew about a draft gear until today.
@crusherbmx
@crusherbmx 10 ай бұрын
Well, that was interesting, and explained a lot! I work beside a large railyard, the sound of the draft gears after a car is coupled to a train is pretty cool, but until now I didn't know what they were called and what the exact purpose was.
@paralegalty
@paralegalty 15 күн бұрын
Nice explanation for something I have wondered about. Thank You
@tuhinchowdhury5260
@tuhinchowdhury5260 10 ай бұрын
I always used to think, why train couplers look so loose, every time it starts moving, makes a series of banging noises (like small bombs). But now I got it why. Thanks
@Ukepa
@Ukepa 10 ай бұрын
often wondered but never bothered to find out how locomotives pull all that weight... good video!!!
@BPJJohn
@BPJJohn 11 ай бұрын
Also sophisticated traction control for motors aids in pulling ability of locos today.
@umarhali7869
@umarhali7869 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. Loved it 👍🏿. Fascinated by engineering and big stuffs...
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan 10 ай бұрын
You've very welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed!
@RareShadow_
@RareShadow_ Жыл бұрын
Amazing video thoroughly enjoyed it and learned a lot!
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’m glad you found the video informational!
@g3_angold
@g3_angold 10 ай бұрын
Explained like I'm 5. Love it!
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan 10 ай бұрын
lol, glad you enjoyed!
@MrBen527
@MrBen527 10 ай бұрын
Wow! I never knew of the "draft gear". Very cool. Thanks!
@PhillipDiPrima
@PhillipDiPrima 10 ай бұрын
Damm, this was enlightening. Love it!
@-IE_it_yourself
@-IE_it_yourself 10 ай бұрын
video idea: i would love to see some videos on the bearings, breaks and clutch systems on trains. and thanks for this one, draft clutches are terrifying.
@jojogo22
@jojogo22 10 ай бұрын
Great information. Thanks so much.
@k0rc
@k0rc 10 ай бұрын
What I learned in this video. . . 1) locomotive wheel sanders, 2) overcoming static friction via coupler design, 3) close to a half million pounds of engine weight, 4) dime sized surface area between wheel and rail. Thank you for this video!
@Hdudjfjdiduegsgxbxjcifirhwbagd
@Hdudjfjdiduegsgxbxjcifirhwbagd Жыл бұрын
You answered the exact question that was burning in my mind.
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan Жыл бұрын
Wonderful! Glad I could help.
@danparker8254
@danparker8254 11 ай бұрын
The draft gear also helps build momentum as the train advances.
@ArmageddonIsHere
@ArmageddonIsHere 10 ай бұрын
Great presentation! And I learned something new: that draft gears in the couplers actually get the wagons to start moving more easily. Smart thinking by whoever invented it!
@BeyondLimits3D
@BeyondLimits3D 10 ай бұрын
Very well explained. Thank you!
@edwelndiobel1567
@edwelndiobel1567 10 ай бұрын
Wow well done. I understand completely now. You are a good instructor.
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Minorock93
@Minorock93 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this valuable knowledge, i've been living near a train station for 30 years and I just understood how it can pull this much weight, I've always thought because it's has a powerful diesel engine with so much torque but it's far more than that, especially the draft gears, simple concept yet it's a game changer
@ramiusramius5578
@ramiusramius5578 10 ай бұрын
Great video! Good information and well presented. Now I can share this with friends instead of trying to explain it myself. Many thanks.
@ciausaofficial
@ciausaofficial 10 ай бұрын
our airplanes and ships trains are just badass and my favorite its just crazy how much they can pull and the amount of stopping power it takes to stop
@juliestevens6931
@juliestevens6931 11 ай бұрын
Thank you. I always wondered how they got started pulling all those loaded cars. I have train tracks running behind my apt. complex. Some are a couple of hundred cars long loaded with coal, tankers and/or containers.
@toddodell70
@toddodell70 10 ай бұрын
Thanks. I've known of the slack for a long time but never thought of how that aids the engines.
@Happy_Shopper
@Happy_Shopper 10 ай бұрын
I'm not overly interested in trains but this was a really concise and well put together video. Thanks
@gnypp45
@gnypp45 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the explanation. I learned something.
@GregConquest
@GregConquest 10 ай бұрын
I did not think I would learn anything new from this video; I just like trains. But that draft gear effect:? Wow! That makes perfect sense, and I had never thought it was important.
@mehrcat1
@mehrcat1 10 ай бұрын
Brilliant, thank you!
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan 10 ай бұрын
You're welcome!
@tilerman
@tilerman 10 ай бұрын
Now this was a fascinating video and answered so many questions, especially the draft gear, you described it perfectly. But what if the whole length of the train is on an incline, would i be correct in saying that in that case there would be no slack as the train would be 'stretched'? Really hope that's not a dumb question as i do find this fascinating. Great video, cheers.
@vedamoorthynagamuni4848
@vedamoorthynagamuni4848 9 ай бұрын
I always wondered, now I know, great video.
@Johnny13Tube
@Johnny13Tube 10 ай бұрын
Never thought I'd watch a train video narrated by Matthew McConaughey!
@saab93secv
@saab93secv 11 ай бұрын
What a great explanation, thank you!
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan 11 ай бұрын
You’re welcome, I’m glad you enjoyed!
@seasoda3319
@seasoda3319 10 ай бұрын
Cool video. I'm glad I came across your channel.
@daithi154
@daithi154 10 ай бұрын
this guy knows physics and trains, loved the video
@retiredpd
@retiredpd 3 ай бұрын
That was an interesting video, thanks for making it 👍👍
@JohnMatthew1
@JohnMatthew1 10 ай бұрын
What a great video, thank you. I don't know of anyone who doesn't love a train going by.
@gregrowe1168
@gregrowe1168 5 ай бұрын
Basically, because of the slack in the couplers, at startup you’re not actually pulling all of them at once. You move a single car, then the next one moves and so on. By the time the load gets heavy, the train is already in motion and you have momentum helping you keep it moving. It actually helps to reduce the load each coupler has as well. If they didn’t operate like that, the thousands of tons of pulling force would snap them like toothpicks.
@alpha3836
@alpha3836 10 ай бұрын
Very well explained! Cheers!
@Southern_Plains_Railfan
@Southern_Plains_Railfan 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@vzgsxr
@vzgsxr 10 ай бұрын
Great video, super interesting stuff. 👌
@MegaGeorge1948
@MegaGeorge1948 3 ай бұрын
It also always helps to have 4,400 HP per locomotive to persuade the consist to move too.😁
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