Why Malzahar counters Zyra?

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Well, surely not because one of them is bugged x).
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@EeveeRealSenpai Ай бұрын

My anti zyra brain likes this

@JumpscareRodent Ай бұрын

Are you a Malzahar supporter? I'm calling the police...

@EeveeRealSenpai Ай бұрын

@@JumpscareRodent no I just hate zyra

@thaib2724 Ай бұрын

@@JumpscareRodent i passionetly hate malza since fizz r doesn't stay on him after passive proc. Few years ago he was denying just slow from fizz r now he just doesn't take easy bait :(

@plasmodius9449 Ай бұрын

@@EeveeRealSenpai an enemy of our enemy is our friend after all

@SonicDarkSnake42069 Ай бұрын

Malzahar is way worse

@ZoryArky Ай бұрын

He got annoyed for too long by having his summons be instantly countered that he started countering others \ o /

@danielclv97 Ай бұрын

As a Zyra main, that's nothing, wait until you see an Irelia dashing trough your plants to reach you, that's true terror.

@redpuzzy6266 Ай бұрын

And like a millisecond later: IONIA CALLS

@davidyk327 Ай бұрын

As a new Zyra main from arena, it’s safe to say that catching Irelia with your E and then full combo to kill her when she Q’s one of your plants for granted is satisfying af. Truly teaching them to think twice before diving in 😊

@psycele2859 Ай бұрын

Fair enough if you play Zyra

@LDDim Ай бұрын

Minionmancer leaving some good old emotional damage around here

@eonarose Ай бұрын

Malz is just dishing out what he’s had to deal with for years.

@PurerErzbengel Ай бұрын

This bug exists atleast since patch 13.18. I play a lot of Zyra Mid and Malzahar was usually a better matchup for her, but since this bug exists this matchup is way harder.

@Vandiril Ай бұрын

Wow, thats quite some time then!

@wolhol Ай бұрын

🤓

@turbohotvedt Ай бұрын

Yeah it's been out for a while now, and I swear Brand had something similar like this, where his E would insta kill some of Zyra's plants

@AidanWR Ай бұрын

@@turbohotvedt Morde Q one-shots plants if they're isolated. Which makes no sense as it's still an AoE ability regardless of the damage. MF auto doesn't one-shot it or deal more damage because of her passive

@dde8721 Ай бұрын

@@AidanWRit used to, actually. Mf was a good zyra counterpick for that reason when she was dominant. Got specifically changed

@sxato798 Ай бұрын

is fair , the enemy can oneshot Voidlings

@hanshysher6266 Ай бұрын

Riot should rework all summon champions to actually work around summons

@tuyoufpazic5746 Ай бұрын

@@hanshysher6266 yorick does

@vitorbordini5246 Ай бұрын

@@hanshysher6266 zyra does too,it is more a malzahar thing

@JikaranTV Ай бұрын

@@vitorbordini5246 I mean malzahar as well but his summons are as thin as paper so you cant rely on them unless there is a) no enemy or b) a hard cced enemy. and when his minions where actually able to tank stuff they where disgusting.

@rempacious Ай бұрын

I remembered when Malz jung was a thing, his voidlings are op af both in clear speed and damage to champs

@HMoonHunter Ай бұрын

I’ve noticed this bug for months now especially in arena where Zyra is often pick, I always tend to react with malz whenever I see one in the enemy team

@gelertfire Ай бұрын

you should have told me this before, im gonna do this now on

@asd-ww4nk Ай бұрын

imagine counterpicking in a for fun gamemode, youre probably a bruiser abuser too

@h4xnslash900 Ай бұрын

@@asd-ww4nk Zyra removes the entire aspect of having fun. Nothing wrong with counterpicking such a disgusting champ

@alexandershort9024 Ай бұрын

Malzhar just airdropped a 10 hour montage of deforestation to those plants and they just disappeared in fear

@ElRoba97 Ай бұрын

This used to happen as well with heimerdinger turrets. one shot was enough to kill each plant.

@mtn66amassuonoobpawa35 Ай бұрын

wait, UR 1Msub, congratulation man a well deserved milestone for one of the last few creative league content creator out there

@KhoiNguyen-gl4kt Ай бұрын

caedrel buff

@Vandiril Ай бұрын

The best thing is, you can't cancel his E!

@tarekhaned7225 Ай бұрын

@@Vandirilthe worst* 😭

@cirqusboy Ай бұрын

Thats why i love the naafiri mu. The little dogs always goes back to him so the dot jumps to him every time.

@analytixna6610 Ай бұрын

her?

@EeveeRealSenpai Ай бұрын

Goes back to who?

@cyberleo1245 Ай бұрын

man this statement is all over the place.

@loha2288 Ай бұрын

Shhh don't tell them ;)

@the_last_ballad Ай бұрын

@@EeveeRealSenpai Naafiri. They forgot Naafiri was a woman before becoming a pack of dogs. Makes you wonder that, with all her talk about how being a plurality being better, would she prefer "they"? Or does she still see herself as one being despite the multiple bodies? Shes a fictional character so her outlook isnt going to change, but one does have to wonder how duch a state would change a person's sense of self. If shes "of two minds" about something, would those PoVs be represented literally by diffrent dogs?

@Kingofredeyes Ай бұрын

This explains a lot. I was in a game against a Malz a while back and it felt like my plants just didn't exist for most of it but I wasn't sure what was happening.

@Blitzkit Ай бұрын

it looks like his malefic vision works like statikk when they're really close together

@pixelmz Ай бұрын

There's a client bug if you click the "view profile" after finishing a game. You are stuck forever untill you restart the client.

@dpbw0w Ай бұрын

@vandiril the same thing also happens with heimerdinger turrets targetting zyra plants I'm pretty sure, last I checked his q turrets auto executed zyra plants

@cringecompilation8105 Ай бұрын

Let me guess it has something to do with it being coded as a minion ?

@pricklyprickle Ай бұрын

Btw zeri passive auto can execute zyra plants as well

@PartyMain Ай бұрын

I thought I went crazy, I saw this today on live servers in my game. Zyra plants were ulted and somehow they disappeared out of nowhere. I remember it so well cuz I was gonna jump with jax onto them but now I know why they instantly died to malz...

@krissparrrow Ай бұрын

Works with any dot effect. Hwei also kills them instantly with QE

@foxisadog_ Ай бұрын

built-in statikk shiv on malzahar

@JV10q Ай бұрын

No wonder 5 of my plants disappeared like a bubble earlier when we had clash... sucks...

@HeartYgo Ай бұрын

What about E plants, empowered by R ?

@infinitexgg Ай бұрын

Didnt know this was a bug, I've been using it for a while

@bhaalad Ай бұрын

rito games ladies and yentlemen

@lesbazyra Ай бұрын

This bug appeared when Rito changed Malefic Vision's tick speed. Of course, rito doesn't care. I can post any bug, but they won't fix it. There is a seven-year-old bug with Zyra. Her enraged plants don't rotate. (They changed plants' hp at season 7). Also. Shaco's boxes and Heimer's turrets are 'two' shooting plants. And you know these have rapid fire. Previously, it worked fine (before S7 "rework")

@kqmden Ай бұрын

Zyra plants are hella weird. Karma can mantra (ult) W to instakill the plant and also get the first part of the w’s heal if anyone needed a good matchup

@MEGAZ920 Ай бұрын

Malzahar: It's free real estate.

@NguyenHongHiepK16_HCM Ай бұрын

can you cancel it?

@geraltkundolap6767 Ай бұрын

video for Caedrel

@adolfhitler4251 Ай бұрын

Who is that

@1997CreepeR7991 Ай бұрын

I've done this a lot of times in ARAM but not sure why it happened

@Malphaze Ай бұрын

I don’t understand? It’s only when they’re all super stacked close to each other that Malz E can one shot them fast? Because when they’re somewhat spreaded, they burned slower? Am I missing something?

@ZeekCannon Ай бұрын

I think it's Q plants vs E plants

@loha2288 Ай бұрын

After the execution buff on Malzahar E. This happened. So in a way it happened after the E buff patch.

@the_last_ballad Ай бұрын

Seems odd that its only the q plants though

@diegoclaw000 Ай бұрын

i would think that this is an interaction between the Malz execution of minions with the E over the plants with less health that are the zyra's Q ones. Something like: if enemy minion is below x health execute. and it just repeats every tic/check

@the_last_ballad Ай бұрын

The problem is her q and e plants dont have different amounts of health, or different amount of damage taken. Both have 8 health, increased to 12 during her ult(with melee autos doing 8 damage, ranged doing 4, single target 8, aoe 4, and dot 2). Yet only her q plants die instantly.

@silasbeckmann4223 Ай бұрын

Naafiri is worse. If Malz e's her dogos after she hit him with q and she jumps away in a safe distance, the dogos port to her and die, so the e from Malz transferrs to Naafiri

@reyeldoggo Ай бұрын

I think it's just an interaction with his E execution threshhold.

@alpakamcdviii9889 Ай бұрын

spaghetti is riot duty

@ghostslit666 Ай бұрын

I've always used this in ARAM games if i see a zyra in enemy team. Very useful on hitting peiple with E

@xviolaa Ай бұрын

Kayle also oneshots her plants since her aoe autos count as a spell and an aa at the same time

@HauteClair Ай бұрын

aight. time to try malzahar support then.

@maxineshideout852 Ай бұрын

i approve of this, lets call it a feature

@kingdeedee9237 11 күн бұрын

This happens due the plants from Zyra had just 8HP and Malzahar E execute MINIONS in the range of minimun 10HP (escalating with lvl) meaning all the Q plants dies instatly. This happen because all the plants are coded as MINIONS

@DwarfVeigar Ай бұрын

Malzahar number one enemy of vegans

@miguelarrieiro Ай бұрын

q q vc tá fazendo aqui veigar anão!?

@DarioB_ Ай бұрын

This goes back all the way to season 6 or so when Malz was used to counter Zyra supp at worlds. Same goes for MF and her E

@rngshadow3333 Ай бұрын

there is a bug with the convert ad to ap with Jana or her allies they keep losing ap with her E

@christiaanprinsloo8951 Ай бұрын

this is patched already

@zawarrudo3930 Ай бұрын

This has been like this for a long time tho?

@kador7182 Ай бұрын

Nice ty for sharing a zyra counter

@Buzk_4 Ай бұрын

Love to see that

@KoboldCloaca Ай бұрын

Malzahar, my beloved. ♥️

@yolosilvia2005 Ай бұрын

malzahar is eating his veggies

@Loshe_ Ай бұрын

ok, what is this spaghetti ? How is it even possible to do something like this ?

@skzstyle Ай бұрын

Riot fix : Vanguard, you will not play at all

@imRileyWilliams Ай бұрын

Zyra plants get one shot by anything except auto attacks apparently

@stargazer3759 Ай бұрын

Not by Morgana W. In the early stages at least which is why zyra is listed as a counter I believe

@Vanilla-Stinky-Heals Ай бұрын

I encountered this bug when teaching my Zyra main friend that Malzahar should be a fair-ish matchup and use the plants to extend the amount of time you can run away from a wave , lets just say... it didn't play out like that LMAO

@Ilposeidonll Ай бұрын

Classic Riot spaghetti code.

@FlingyFlongyBouncu Ай бұрын

Is that the reason why zyra/malzahare Support was so good back in 2017? As an adc main this year still gives me potsdam.

@spielemeister9488 Ай бұрын

I played this evening on ARAM and I guess there works with both plants. No, im pretty sure, all plants got eggcecuted.

@Cardboard_Cut Ай бұрын

Honestly they should keep it that way

@alexandrudinu1928 Ай бұрын

If the bug gets fixed i hope that Malzahar's W will get aoe rezistance.. it's too easy to sweep them =((

@MangaGamified Ай бұрын

True. I forgot which summons but in Dota 2 most if not all summons that are not just one or two has 50% AOE resistance no questions asked. This is to prevent them getting one short by AOE spells. While also not making AOE spells useless, it's like somewhere in between. Best summons that are not ults are always from "tanks" or what I feel they are like Yorick, also, Yorick's goul has this property: Mist Walkers take 50% damage from area of effect abilities and monsters. Single targeted spells and attacks including a turret shot, will instantly kill Mist Walkers. Just look up in wiki in pets section.

@Cloudeh Ай бұрын

Hasn't this always been a thing even before his rework?

@MysticZefer Ай бұрын

thats how it should work

@devin1813 Ай бұрын

xayah e does damage all over the maps to champs that dashes atm for example jarven eq

@hsuchiakao9436 Ай бұрын

I never know zyra's R can empower her plants

@user-ne8xx4ls2q Ай бұрын

wait this is not intended interaction???? malzahar main for like year or two and thought that zyra q/r is just little bit squishy lmao

@ThiagoMnab Ай бұрын

I realized that playing Aram 3 weeks ago. I think it's very unfair some champions can one shot Zyra plants, while others needs like 2 skills or 3 auto attacks.

@MangaGamified Ай бұрын

You're OA, auto-attacks are still free.

@tomwanders6022 Ай бұрын

I knew he would delete Q plants, I didn’t know E plants actually survive his e for a while. It’s weird, because generally Zyra wins hard against shorter range mages and then there is malzahar just deleting her damage source. :(

@evanfelch7689 Ай бұрын

Hypothesis: Zyra plants are, like everything in LoL, are coded as minions. Malz E has an execute on low HP minions. E go Brrrrrrrr. Solution, buff the health of zyra plants.

@reflecsion2551 Ай бұрын

I am fine with this

@nublockswest8344 Ай бұрын

Plants are also counted as minions... I'd imagine thats what they are, right Rito?

@faloughasch9239 Ай бұрын

Vandiril please now I won't be able to use Malzahar support to screw over Zyra players :(

@CoolMovieBro Ай бұрын

Heiners turrets 1-shots them all instantly too. Hes another great counter

@ByakurenEnjoyer Ай бұрын

Malzahar Wet Dream when?

@stanislavmegued554 Ай бұрын

Same shit with Shaco boxes, Malz pets, Heimer turrets and Yorick ghouls. They all execute plants in one hit. Shaco was her worst counter for years because of that. Even R empowered plants get deleted in one box shot

@suuyaa1337 Ай бұрын

Can we just put it on the E plants too and call it

@uruHanz Ай бұрын

Aram player here and i like what am I seeing here.

@Sdogofdoom Ай бұрын

Not really a bug, but TF in arenas can farm a frankly silly amount of gold on Sett rounds by just hard pumping him. I farmed 7000 gold in one round doing it.

@xGvPTVx Ай бұрын

Not me realizing Zyra ult empowers plants 😅😅😅

@ricomambozero3811 Ай бұрын

well deserved for Zyra 😂

@MysticBlueFox Ай бұрын

*Crying hysterically*

@victor-oh Ай бұрын

This hits harder than MF counter

@CallMeBoxes Ай бұрын

So now they just need to update this and make her E minions die in the same way

@aezyn8645 Ай бұрын

what a welcome malazahar buff in times where zyra has the fastest clear in the game. at least they "buffed" his execute mechanic to tick remotely as often as asols xdd

@protectorlord8054 Ай бұрын

It is perfect.

@mateusjfernandes Ай бұрын

I actually killed a Zyra doing it some days ago, the E jumped from her plants and she had low HP

@Zvezni Ай бұрын

I see this on aram 23 days ago.

@Matsupitsu2nd Ай бұрын

Malz stocks are rising up!

@TheBastianschulz Ай бұрын

If we are at it: Why Zyra and Malzahar counters graves? *sometimes his autoattacks deal 0 damage on Plants/Voidlings*

@MA-gh1vl Ай бұрын

Next STep, find some Zyra or Malz Players in League

@PultsMoizer Ай бұрын

Thought thats extra xd Played one time Malz and used it for easy clearing

@zarrielnorrel5297 Ай бұрын

The cancer got nullified by a second one.

@arclight480 Ай бұрын

but practically you're not gonna waste your E on her plants and at the same time she counters Malz since she can easily proc his spellshield off.

@the_last_ballad Ай бұрын

You absolutely are going to e a plant if it is near the minion wave(which you follow up with w to kill the entire thing as usual) or could bounce to her/her ally to do damage(which is not unlike using it on a low health minion for the same effect). The only time you wouldnt use it is if there was a single plant and no bounce targets.

@MangaGamified Ай бұрын

It's almost always worth it to E zyra plant, for gold and controlling her main gimmick, In Heartstone many things can go wrong for just leaving a minion alive.

@arclight480 Ай бұрын

@@MangaGamified If the Zyra is smart she would just spawn plants away from her own minions, which would prevent Malz from being Able to farm and push wave if he decided to E her plants, it's a bait setup that Zyra would be able to use against malz. Not to mention Zyra's seeds get refresh when she kills units, she can oneshot his Voidlings and easily refund her Plants.

@BOMBOCLAAAAT13 Ай бұрын

I hope this is intended

@ToxicFrogZ- Ай бұрын

Nice

@gelertfire Ай бұрын

Good, bc its so dumb that you cant kill them with just 1 ability from anychamp or even 1 basic atack from a full build adc. how are they so tanky?

@yigitdemir5387 Ай бұрын

As a malzahar main I hate the fact that this will be patched because of this video

@MangaGamified Ай бұрын

Fair speculation, one thing for sure, someon's looking out for summons, they're neither too weak nor too strong, but definitely not talented enough to make better if not fix AI behavior like making Maiden hide in bush if you enter it, Got F'ed up by summons in Arena cause they won't hide in bushes unless you overextend a little