WHY MONO COLOR DECKS WIN cEDH TOURNAMENTS

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Жыл бұрын

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@jasoncook2715
@jasoncook2715 Жыл бұрын
Magda definitely shook my LGS cEDH scene so hard, it was funny. Clown car got the exact reactions I anticipated.
@Qazplm601MC
@Qazplm601MC Жыл бұрын
Honestly, could you remind me why clown car is good in that deck? I remember hearing about some kind of synergy with it but I can’t remember/find what it was. It’s a very cute card and I want to find a place to run it if I can :P
@jasoncook2715
@jasoncook2715 Жыл бұрын
@Qazplm601MC so clown car casting cost is X. So typically you never use any mana for it. X = 0. All you want is that crew ability to tap the dwarves to generate treasures. It's the cheapest way of getting the tap ability
@ecos889
@ecos889 5 ай бұрын
Clown car could also technically double as a win con in emergency if you have infinite mana it's very niche case but it happens 😅
@Garwinium
@Garwinium 28 күн бұрын
Clown car is one of my favorite cards lol, I run it in both my purphoros deck and my mr house deck
@Level_1_Frog
@Level_1_Frog Жыл бұрын
I think the prime example of this is Slicer, Hired Muscle. Some random voltron commander that people don't understand how to fight against, and it just steals games from people.
@JB-tp8we
@JB-tp8we 5 ай бұрын
Love my slicer deck!
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton 2 ай бұрын
i still disagree with the rules for Slicer, because you are putting him under an opponents control and the equipment equipped onto him stay on him and are not "aura's" but equipment is treated like "aura's" and the only equipment that works likes that because of how it's worded is Bloodthristy Blade. And unless i'm mistaken, if the player has a way to sacrifice artifacts, they can sacrifice the artifacts equipped on Slicer.
@Level_1_Frog
@Level_1_Frog 2 ай бұрын
@@MageSkeleton they cannot sacrifice equipment on Slicer. They control 'him', but can't activate abilities of, nor do they have control of, any equipment on him. Which is also how auras are treated as well.
@ethanm2592
@ethanm2592 Жыл бұрын
As a K’rrik, Black Hole Son of Yawmoth player, I’m very excited for this podcast.
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton 2 ай бұрын
Definitely a promising commander, i love what he does, but the numbers don't like. However, there are people playing him in ways that are so strange you'd think they were playing to lose and it messes with the statistics. i feel like he should be performing better than he seems to be but somehow every other mono color commander option is in the same % rate.
@metalbrother2671
@metalbrother2671 Ай бұрын
Do you mean, k‘rrik son of yawgmotj, industry plant of magic the gathering? I fully agree, what k‘rrik can do is pretty sick in some cases. There are some cases where you just win out right when drawing your first hand but you can also get pretty screwed more time Ethan I want to admit. Still a very satisfying playstyle
@jphorn1223
@jphorn1223 Жыл бұрын
This is usually referred to as the brewers' advantage
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton 2 ай бұрын
The Veracious Codex sure did a thing, sad it's a "gimmick deck."
@carettcake8752
@carettcake8752 Жыл бұрын
I would love an episode on what cEDH tournaments look like and how they are run. Just proxied up my first deck and interested in joining some in a few months
@Niv-Mozart
@Niv-Mozart 7 ай бұрын
This sounds cool
@Dark-Pikachu1
@Dark-Pikachu1 2 ай бұрын
Hate tell you going get game lost for having proxy in your deck
@Dark-Pikachu1
@Dark-Pikachu1 2 ай бұрын
@@Niv-Mozartto bad he gets DQ for having proxy and can’t play
@Niv-Mozart
@Niv-Mozart 2 ай бұрын
@Dark-Pikachu1 why did you respond to me when you already responded to them? In case you didn't know, some CEDH tournaments are proxy friendly. Please don't respond thanks 😃 have a good day
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton 2 ай бұрын
With the shut down of more and more LGS's, doing an "in person" Cedh tournament becomes more difficult. While there are locations that are "proxy friendly" this could mean "only pretty proxies that look like the card it's meant to represent" or "as long as you have a real physical version of the card" which contradicts the whole "proxy friendly" thing, or "You can only proxy reserved list cards." At my LGS they simultaneously told me "we're proxy friendly" and while i didn't get DQ'd, i was punished for using proxies because they made sure to slow me down to ensure everyone knew what each proxy was representing while requiring me to play within a special "time limit" where they successfully ensured i ran out of time to present my "win." And i only needed 10 more seconds.
@davidlerner1371
@davidlerner1371 Жыл бұрын
This is both correct and confusing to me. In other constructed formats, I feel like opponents sometimes give too much respect to the unknown. If you Thoughtseize your opponent in Legacy and see a Didgeridoo in their hand, it's getting discarded 90% of the time because you don't want to lose to some random combo. If you don't know how a deck wins, wouldn't that make it even more of a threat? For all you know, they can win out of nowhere at instant speed.
@C00kiesAplenty
@C00kiesAplenty Жыл бұрын
It's a 4 player format, and all the strongest decks can win out of nowhere at nearly any time. Turbo naus, thoracle etc. You don't have the cards in hand to police the entire board so you have to hedge against the threats you know can win on any of their turns after they get to three mana.
@benmughal
@benmughal 9 ай бұрын
No. In multiplayer you’d take care of the drannith magistrate or use your Counter on Lions Eye Diamond.
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton 2 ай бұрын
Bad example, commander is meant to be a four player game, though can be five or three players in a "pod." Removal is normally "spot removal" and has to be used wisely. With that said, it's a strange phenomenon where players psychologically want to see what the thing does before formulating a plan. Think of it like playing Dark Souls and learning your opponent through losing to it multiple times before making a "winning attempt." So theoretically, someone could go into tournament with an "unknown commander" to the environment and just "get the win" as long as the opponents are confused to why your bringing that commander.
@brandonbonilla4844
@brandonbonilla4844 Жыл бұрын
15 winota decks, 15 thrasios/bruce decks but just the 1 Kinnan deck, that’s Tyler!😂
@romancookie881
@romancookie881 Жыл бұрын
My first round at my first cedh tournament that table got dunked on by a tromokratis turns deck. It was very unexpected
@MrFrankthefun
@MrFrankthefun Жыл бұрын
Controlling the flow of information is so important in CEDH
@drew-id
@drew-id 3 ай бұрын
This is why ppl say I don't build casually. No one knows wth I'm up to until it's to late. The other day, the blue player just started countering everything I did because, and I quote "I don't know man..." 😂
@Bloody-Butterfly
@Bloody-Butterfly Жыл бұрын
Command tower? No, I just use Forest!
@MrTiddles69
@MrTiddles69 Жыл бұрын
It’s also coz they are faster less emphasis on fetching etc
@just_unnamed
@just_unnamed Жыл бұрын
Teshar may be winning less because people know how he works but my boy is just as fun to play as he was back then
@damienpeters6004
@damienpeters6004 Ай бұрын
Vito is my go-to. Half of a two card combo, Chain of Smog, Aetherflux Reservoir, and every tutor I could cram in it. Does insane for the budget.
@Skurvy2k
@Skurvy2k Жыл бұрын
Damn, my man graduated from sadboy indie songwriter to Jurassic Park fan.
@williamoldaker5348
@williamoldaker5348 9 ай бұрын
The full episode should be the description or a pinned comment.
@manny8404
@manny8404 6 ай бұрын
Suggestion for future shorts. Could you add the video under this short? That way I and many others can click on it and watch your longer vids rather than trying to find it
@shawnleclerc7266
@shawnleclerc7266 Ай бұрын
The purpheros goblin aggro deck from the Japanese tournament that just happened that made the final 4 is the prime example. Even if you know what they are doing, if your deck, even the collective tables decks don't have enough of the tools to stop the strategy it can just cut through you like a hot knife through butter. You can have a full grip and 14 treasures but if all you have is a single piece of creature removal or a counterspell that MIGHT be able to stop 1 creature you die with all of your "massive advantage" kicked off. It's great
@TravvyBear262
@TravvyBear262 Жыл бұрын
ARCUM WILL RISE AGAIN 🤖
@SylveonSimp
@SylveonSimp Жыл бұрын
My casual edh opponents often ask me, how I am supposed to win. But I assume they don't mean that as a compliment :-/
@mtgspanglish731
@mtgspanglish731 Жыл бұрын
I took a page from a Dargo / Jeska I saw here to pump my Bruce tarl/ Jeska. One shooting people in turn 4 is awesome and making a ton of life even better.
@middknight5202
@middknight5202 Жыл бұрын
Too much sauce in this clip. as a mono color lover in this game i can totally agree. its fun suprising them!
@Rallad
@Rallad Жыл бұрын
Had a blast playing Arcum at some large tournaments! Of course just because players are not familiar doesn't mean they won't be very suspicious 😂😂
@dr.pultandmrgrimm991
@dr.pultandmrgrimm991 Жыл бұрын
Kodama of the West Tree has been a build that has dropped a lot of power on the board and has taken over tables
@dr.pultandmrgrimm991
@dr.pultandmrgrimm991 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention that people who love this game also don't have access to funds, like me being a full time college student, in order to want to compete at such a high level
@mikey420x1
@mikey420x1 7 ай бұрын
good thing top cEDH is proxy friendly, you just print out a deck easy. funds dont matter @@dr.pultandmrgrimm991
@kidblunted
@kidblunted Жыл бұрын
Your content is very inspiring ❤
@salamanteri_
@salamanteri_ Жыл бұрын
This is definetly the case with Ao. I still don't know why any of it's cards work.
@andrewtaylor5883
@andrewtaylor5883 7 ай бұрын
This is completely true! I play Yawgmoth and when I say I don't run ad nas or peer [I know it's a design mistake] they don't know what to name with shutdown OR they don't know what cards to grab while grasping my library.
@evanbodek6063
@evanbodek6063 6 ай бұрын
I genuinely considered bringing my gandalf the white to my local tournament
@couchcommander5280
@couchcommander5280 Ай бұрын
There's a similar concept in fighting games that i call the "low tier advantage". Everyone obsesses over the best characters, how to beat them, blah blah blah Meanwhile, greg over there is playing a super niche thing that turns out to be a rattlesnake but no one knew because it got dismissed early on. It's the little things, people
@ghoulofmetal
@ghoulofmetal Жыл бұрын
Teshar also just goes Infinite on accident almost
@checkthenutz
@checkthenutz Жыл бұрын
I took third in a small cedh tournament with bruvac. Granted it doesn’t really fit in this example because everyone knows what you’ll be doing with bruvac. That is till you iso+dramatic reversal into brain freeze, or something silly like that.
@roberthastings5969
@roberthastings5969 Жыл бұрын
Godo is a perfect example of this. Turn 1-2 you bring him out, next turn you just win the game if there's no haste inabler.
@adrianmetz3013
@adrianmetz3013 Жыл бұрын
I've always kinda wanted to try out cedh but have no idea where to start, do you guys have any tips?
@nerfinatorrr9981
@nerfinatorrr9981 Жыл бұрын
Godo bandit warlord is a helluva drug 😂
@coppercorky1378
@coppercorky1378 2 ай бұрын
What episode of the podcast is this from?
@Niv-Mozart
@Niv-Mozart 7 ай бұрын
Teferi mono blue planeswalker took the same tournament back to back years. Dont remember which tourney, but still cool
@BAdCommander
@BAdCommander 8 ай бұрын
Varragth is a prime examaple such a glass cannon but 2 top 16s. People just dont expect it. I mean us also have to be skilled with the rouge deck for sure.
@bensteinhauser784
@bensteinhauser784 Жыл бұрын
Play the best cards vs brewers advantage?
@343omen
@343omen Жыл бұрын
Yeah I learned first hand from my buddy’s Azusa deck I’ve seen it kill the table on turn 4
@modoverkill7066
@modoverkill7066 9 ай бұрын
My simic kinnan deck is undefeated at any locals I go to, I can win in the pre-game with a counter spell for protection, but usually I win turn 2-4
@notimeleft1
@notimeleft1 2 ай бұрын
That’s why I want to make Daretti Scrap Savant CEDH viable. The value is so strong it’s crazy how good his recycle abilities are. Oh you made me wheel a high mana creature like phyrexian triniform? Cool I’ll minus daretti trading an artifact land for it.
@abrahamzuniga3477
@abrahamzuniga3477 9 ай бұрын
I love playing Selvala heart of the wilds in cedh
@warrenr4048
@warrenr4048 11 ай бұрын
I’ve won multiple cEDH games with Mangara of Corondor because people underestimate monowhite. I call my deck perfect silence because my opponents generally have literally no permanents on the board
@vampirecmb
@vampirecmb 8 ай бұрын
So should I play Kinnan or Selvala for my first tournament?
@arandomguy4142
@arandomguy4142 Жыл бұрын
What episode is this short?
@jordanhenriksen653
@jordanhenriksen653 Жыл бұрын
Most likely the upcoming one
@MrShnibles
@MrShnibles 7 ай бұрын
It's hard for my opponents to figure out my next move, because I haven't either.
@HispanicatthediscoMTG
@HispanicatthediscoMTG Ай бұрын
Nissa resurgent animist 😊
@nedcurfman3486
@nedcurfman3486 11 ай бұрын
Joke’s on you, I play Elenda. I don’t HAVE a game plan, i just throw cards into the fire and see how big a boom I get
@tcsmagicbox
@tcsmagicbox 5 ай бұрын
I would have said it's because they have a more stable mana base.
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton 2 ай бұрын
i used to play Teshar ancestors apostle, and after a while i realized it's fatal flaw. While it's amazing and fun to go infinite with Sol Ring and being able to use Salvager of Ruin and Lotus Petal for infinite white mana EVERYTHING Teshar wants to do requires the graveyard. While white has access to some of the best removal spells in the game, they were getting in the way. As you know, "white" and "card draw" was not normal. And basically if you never saw Enlightened Tutor, Idyllic Tutor, Search the Armory and/or Steelcrafters Gift you were toast. And even then, as soon as your graveyard went away, you were normally set back at least one turn. Mono Black does not have this issue.
@tijnhollanders6932
@tijnhollanders6932 Жыл бұрын
This might be why i won the last couple of games playing my glunch deck (casual commander, not cEDH). They just dont know how i win so they leave me alone while i give them goodies and eventually win with a +1/+1 counters strategy or voltron. And politics is still a thing in casual games
@alicegranin6384
@alicegranin6384 7 ай бұрын
My budget (200$) CEDH Satoru deck has won and almost won a concerning amount of games just by playing cards people don't expect that I have BC of budget. Turns out flickering Alhemeret repeatedly to police hands is good.
@ryanskolnick1274
@ryanskolnick1274 Жыл бұрын
Not sure if it’s good, but Orvar seems sick to build
@jasoncook2715
@jasoncook2715 Жыл бұрын
I speak on behalf of orvar, and that deck has won me the most games out of all my cedh decks I've built. Been cedh since 2019 and orvar has the highest % win rate for me. Can be budget friendly too
@ethiancortes6213
@ethiancortes6213 11 ай бұрын
I still wandering how to Win with my teshar deck 😢
@NicolasandDad
@NicolasandDad 4 ай бұрын
I just did shockingly well with a Sram Aura Voltron deck…
@noahmurtha4036
@noahmurtha4036 Жыл бұрын
I play soo much mono red these days lol 😂 I steal wins constantly
@void91g
@void91g 11 ай бұрын
❤😂🎉
@Kroxti
@Kroxti 4 ай бұрын
Glances at my Ao deck
@jessesandburg
@jessesandburg Жыл бұрын
Mono is great against blood moon!
@untilthewheelsfalloff1751
@untilthewheelsfalloff1751 6 ай бұрын
An inbred meta that’s constantly shifting that’s why creature base decks have done so well I would know I’m winning with one
@MaxMckayful
@MaxMckayful 9 ай бұрын
If you don't know what a card does in a format you know well, be very afraid.
@CageFreeLowFatSugarFreeRange
@CageFreeLowFatSugarFreeRange 2 ай бұрын
Sounds like coping
@fernandob2275
@fernandob2275 Ай бұрын
Gaslighting each other because y’all lost to monocolored decks lolz
@cgjoh
@cgjoh 2 ай бұрын
They don't know what to do? Magic players net deck so hard that they can't beat people who are actually original? Dude that's so pathetic, if that happens sell your cards and stop "competing" you weren't to begin with.
@davidgzmn12345
@davidgzmn12345 2 ай бұрын
It’s more that mono color decks will run very específic combos that only appear in that commander, so you can’t really expect people to know every single obscure combo piece, as opposed to the common ones in other colors. You’ll have mono color combo pieces that go for 50 cents because they’re useless in every other deck, but generates infinite mana/storm/etb etc in that specific commander, so it’s easy to be caught by surprise
@johnnycaralta
@johnnycaralta 2 ай бұрын
Simultaneously explained why cedh is garbage.
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