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Why Native Hawaiians Protesting Giant Telescope on Mauna Kea Aren't Going Anywhere | NBC Left Field

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The Hawaii Island’s Mauna Kea mountain, the most sacred site to Native Hawaiians, is also a prized location to the astronomy community as a home to many powerful observatories. This summer, a community of resistance called Pu'uhonua o Pu'uhuluhulu formed on the access road that leads to the summit of Mauna Kea, where Native Hawaiian protesters aim to stop the construction of the Thirty Meter Telescope or TMT. Protesters say they don’t oppose science and astronomy, but the further desecration of Mauna Kea. As celebrities like Native Hawaiian and “Aquaman” lead Jason Momoa join the ongoing demonstrations, Hawaiians are using the opportunity to ask similar questions to those astronomers hope to answer: Where did we come from? How did we get here?
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@justiniantbh
@justiniantbh 5 жыл бұрын
Look at Hawaiian history. We've lost our Hawaiian kingdom, our language was outlawed back in the day, even hula was forbidden in the name of Christianity. What else do we have left? Western style malls in Honolulu? Tourists breaking down the reefs of Hanauma bay? Hawaiian food? The US has taken everything else. Leave us our land and our people. Leave us in peace. Do not mistake our Aloha as weakness. We will not back down. Aloha 'aina means love for your land, and you can bet that every Hawaiian feels Aloha 'aina in their heart.
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
Language and Hula are still alive today. Trust me, only a few (native or local) are actually interested in learning them. Everybody likes malls, dont deny it. I can argue that locals and natives do more damage not just to beaches, but other locations as well. Something tells me you like americanzed hawaiian food, more than ancient-style hawaiian food. What would we do with said 600 acres of land? How would we live if the Hawaiian kingdom was in effect? You see the problem with the protesters view. Different tangents of arguments but nothing related tot TMT specifically.
@justiniantbh
@justiniantbh 5 жыл бұрын
@@calmdownkid Hula's alive. You can't deny outlawing hula was a gross offense. Language is barely surviving. People only speak it daily in Ni'ihau. If the US didn't outlaw Hawaiian it'd still be widespread and not a dying language.
@justiniantbh
@justiniantbh 5 жыл бұрын
@@calmdownkid Canary islands want the telescope. Put it there. Mauna Kea matters to Hawaiians. It's sacred land. Leave it alone.
@justiniantbh
@justiniantbh 5 жыл бұрын
@Michael VR When did i say anything against diversity? When did i say black white or Asian Hawaiians are bad? If you're gonna argue with me, make sure you're arguing something against i've actually said.
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
@@justiniantbh My Hawaian history is rusty, so i'll take your word that those things absolutely happened. Still, a bad history doesn't mean a bright future can happen for everyone, which in the form of TMT, i've never heard one negative effect or negative prediction that makes sense. Literally, only benefits and the negative effects have already been looked at.
@1991jdclark
@1991jdclark 5 жыл бұрын
This is so wrong.. We need to stop trespassing on the sacred lands of others. It is so hypocritical.
@timjon1982
@timjon1982 5 жыл бұрын
lets god decide!
@1991jdclark
@1991jdclark 5 жыл бұрын
What god? There are many. Would you say that if it was you.
@timjon1982
@timjon1982 5 жыл бұрын
@@1991jdclark there no god
@1991jdclark
@1991jdclark 5 жыл бұрын
@@timjon1982 well I totally agree with you.
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
TMT has had a 15 year process to build there, from engineering to cultural and local surveys as well as local voting. I wouldn't call it trespassing, especially at this stage. My definition of trespassing. Someone cutting fenceline to go onto another's personal property to hunt and do damage and call it cultural practice.
@kealohakalama5599
@kealohakalama5599 5 жыл бұрын
Hawaii needs sustainability. Our children need to learn stewardship. All people need to recognize their inherent responsibility to this honua. The further desecration of our natural resources is not what our community needs
@twoscoopsaloha7151
@twoscoopsaloha7151 5 жыл бұрын
A'ole TMT
@edwardhalmarack7122
@edwardhalmarack7122 5 жыл бұрын
Cant we build this telescope at the same time try and help the natural resources?? Is there anyway to compromise? Any way we could help the local communities first then build the telescope second?
@UwU-lm9or
@UwU-lm9or 5 жыл бұрын
@@edwardhalmarack7122 i mean there are other places we can build it? Idk
@digbick3441
@digbick3441 5 жыл бұрын
@@edwardhalmarack7122 - They do have 13 other telescopes on the mountain amd they were going to decommission 3 of them. So why cant they build it at any of the other three locations
@BudhagRizzo
@BudhagRizzo 5 жыл бұрын
@@digbick3441 The TMT is being built on a lower, more out of the way slope. The telescopes being decommissioned are higher on the summit, on the peak.
@wilspring
@wilspring 5 жыл бұрын
I am all for scientific exploration, but not at the expense of native culture. There has to be another way somewhere else.
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 4 жыл бұрын
But TMT will have no effect on native culture. It's not like banning hula or banning the native language.
@jordikeoni
@jordikeoni 4 жыл бұрын
@@calmdownkid Mauna Kea is sacred to Native Hawaiians. Putting another telescope atop the most sacred mountain IS an expense to the native culture of Hawai'i.
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 4 жыл бұрын
@@jordikeoni How is it an "expense" to the native culture of hawaii? What if I told you, TMT will have no effect on native culture, and that the culture will still be there after it's built?
@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus
@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah no, science is more important than religion. It doesn't matter if it is a """"pure"""" indigenous religion, all religion is bullshit, and it shouldn't be allowed to interfere with science and progress.
@cs0345
@cs0345 4 жыл бұрын
Most Hawaiians aren't even a part of their old religion. And building a telescope won't destroy their way of life, which is highly Westernized to begin with.
@BrianSmith-gp9xr
@BrianSmith-gp9xr 5 жыл бұрын
You look down from Mauna Kea in which a mighty , magical forest of birds , trees, medicine and food is completely gone. Bulldozers chained together dragged across the land. Their sacred temple as it were. Not just taken but destroyed. You don't have to be Hawaiian to be horrified.. So much so it changed the weather. The rivers stopped flowing . The birds stopped singing. It is a" Oh my God " "What did they do?" They left nothing. Yes that is you Parker Ranch....Eight acres to sustain one cow. You heartless fools.
@kenike007
@kenike007 5 жыл бұрын
And all the sandalwood trees that once laced the slopes of Kohala...even though it was given permission from the Alli at the time ...they had no idea what the ramifications of the white man's actions and intentions would be. . I am vacation but in my heart I stand for all indigenous people, I especially love Hawaii and spent 25 years loving its beauty, it's culture, it's people, it's legends. My heart aches to be there again,but I am deeply saddened to see what it's becoming through the migration of many people who don't hold the sacred Heart space of true Hawaii. Aloha Aina!
@shacktime
@shacktime 5 жыл бұрын
Brian Smith Parker Ranch was given Kamehameha I’s full blessing. And that’s not the only BS you’re spinning. Precolonial Hawaiians are responsible for several extinctions. The wild pigs brought by Tahitians wiped out many. Hawaiians also hunted several bird species to extinction for nothing more than their feathers. The Tahitians are also responsible for the only intentional genocide in Hawaii’s history against the true first peoples, who were the Marquesans. None of this excuses what followed colonialism but for you to gloss over the reality is not wise and will be used to discredit you. And neither one of us wants that.
@stefanpigford6891
@stefanpigford6891 4 жыл бұрын
the old Hawaiians let colonizist EUROPEAN MAN come to live there now ur fighting them.
@shacktime
@shacktime 4 жыл бұрын
Stefan Pigford it’s vastly more complicated than that. And it was white Americans that stole Hawaii via the forced annexation. That story is also complicated and the two world wars would have gone very differently (WWII in particular) had the US not been the dominant naval force in the Pacific. Had Imperial Japan, Germany, Spain (highly likely), Italy, or any of the Axis allies been the ones to control the Pacific the world would be very different. And likely not in a good way.
@paulshipley6024
@paulshipley6024 4 жыл бұрын
@@shacktime Yes we know how racially tolerant the Japanese and Nazis were in WW2.
@lui9c
@lui9c 5 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know that Hawaii and Australia are connected through Captain Cook. Australia is also currently going through a national debate about the sacred land of Uluru. It’s a sacred place to the Aboriginal people and yet tourists still want to climb and mistreat the area.
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
False equivalence. This is for a telescope. Not tourism. Do you know the difference?
@coasterblocks3420
@coasterblocks3420 Жыл бұрын
@@djstrongarmgmail they are both sacred places for indigenous people, both being desecrated by outsiders. It doesn’t matter the means of the desecration.
@theotherdave514
@theotherdave514 Жыл бұрын
@@coasterblocks3420 Looking pretty pale, there, bogan. Betting your ancestors came from somewhere else, too.
@theotherdave514
@theotherdave514 Жыл бұрын
@@coasterblocks3420 "desecration" 😆 You clown. Over half the people involved in the telescope and scientific research on the telescope are brown skinned, native Hawaiians. Hawaii was and has always been a melting pot for ALL peoples of Earth. You think ancient Hawaiians just sprung up out of the ground, and didn't come from Tahiti...raping and pillaging their way through the pacific ocean? Ok xenophobe. Do some actual research before you spout off and parrot idiotic nonsense and antiscience rhetoric.
@motherwolf1529
@motherwolf1529 Жыл бұрын
@@coasterblocks3420walking the land isn’t desecration if you’re not leaving trash and other things there.
@deeohgee4574
@deeohgee4574 4 жыл бұрын
As a frequent visitor who is learning the history of Hawaii, I am appalled and ashamed of the greed and unquestionable illegal actions of the US in the takeover of Hawaii. These sacred islands are the home and rightful possessions of the Hawaiin people, this TMT decision, and ALL other decisions about the future of Hawaii, should be decided by Hawaiians.
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
The Hawaiian Kingdom was a multiethnic and multinational country. It was constructed with the great help of Westerners. Hawaiian Kings intentionally blended western religious, education, political, economic and military systems with polynesian traditions. The Hawaiian Kingdom was overthrown by a coup of wealthy and powerful haole who were citizens, royal subjects, community members, tax payers and voters with their own ohana, not the United States. The Queen was overthrown by a homegrown revolution, which was unfortunate. If you want to see a U.S. military invasion and occupation, then look at Haiti in 1915. Nobody has exclusive control of the land based on ethnicity. Hawai'i is a pluralistic community and a democracy. Everyone's voice matters. Polls show that a majority of the state population favor TMT and it even enjoyed solid support from the kanaka for a long time.
@mikeNM08
@mikeNM08 4 жыл бұрын
@@sunnysied713 Why do you think people actually want to hear your 'I'm white, love science, therefore I can take your land"? They view you as an idiot.
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@@mikeNM08 Auwe, so everybody's voice doesn't matter? Is Hawai'i supposed to be ruled by one ethnic, religious group? Do you want the land to be controlled by genealogy? Sorry, no can do, boss. We done with the mo'i, ali'i, konohiki and kahuna. We gotta put more mileage between ourselves and the past. The feudal caste system and kapu needs to stay in the rear view mirror - preferably with a rising fireball. Lol. Everyone's gotta voice. The TMT is a kanaka, local, state, national and international issue. Obviously, everyone's voice matters.
@mikeNM08
@mikeNM08 4 жыл бұрын
@@sunnysied713 Cuz science, and cuz I'm white american and atheist. Now gives me your land. Says Sunny
@ikaikaxkeahi
@ikaikaxkeahi 4 жыл бұрын
@@sunnysied713 Ignorant people like you are whats wrong with society, walking trash you all basically are.
@_isabellarose
@_isabellarose 5 жыл бұрын
Put hawaiian lands back in hawaiian hands. kanaka maoli forever, till the Last aloha aina. Edit: thank you to everyone who commented and liked and to the people who tried to teach me about my culture and say we should be grateful, thank you because you might be trying to silence me and stop me from protecting our Mauna but those comments just made me stronger. Till the last aloha aina, mahalo
@_isabellarose
@_isabellarose 5 жыл бұрын
Umm excuse me?
@mavidavi43
@mavidavi43 5 жыл бұрын
Mr.Burns-On_Acid just by your comment might coming from a white person.... we Pacific Islanders don’t wanna be under the states just give us back our island
@Sumo-san
@Sumo-san 5 жыл бұрын
Mavrick Semes sucks. What are you gonna do? Revolt? You think life would be better if you weren’t part of the USA? The entire world disagrees and there’s no evidence to support your claim. If Hawaii had not been colonized, they would have continued their tribal wars and probably would have died off except for maybe a small population. You are taking your privilege for granted.
@_isabellarose
@_isabellarose 5 жыл бұрын
conorrowens yes we think we are better off, also how do you know we would have continued tribal wars, also with out the USA we would still have many of our now endangered species. Also you say we take our privilege for granted, but what privilege they take our land and many of them are homeless and the only reason why we decreased in numbers is because the colonizers came. We want to protect the land we don’t care about profit , so yes we will continue to fight- till the last aloha aina. :)
@Sumo-san
@Sumo-san 5 жыл бұрын
Isabella-rose Gonzalzles you live in a first world country BECAUSE of the United States. There are millions, if not billions of people all over the world who would literally KILL to be able to bring their family and live in Hawaii. YES, you are taking your privilege for granted. And it’s funny that you blame the colonizers for the eradication of species, yet you do know that native Hawaiians also took part in these practices? Hypocrites. The lot of you. How do I know the tribal wars would’ve continued? Because it’s been that way since the beginning of native Hawaiian society. Why do you think the warrior’s spirit lives on in even modern Hawaiians? The facts are- the mountain is NOT sacred. It is a mountain, just like any other mountain. The TMT will provide jobs and a boost to the economy. If you REALLY cared about the homeless, you would want that for them. The homeless don’t live up on the mountain. It is important to them because of fairy tales they’ve been told. Nothing else. A 30m tall building, not even on the summit, will have no adverse affects on the people OR the environment. Get over it.
@minorityreporter9104
@minorityreporter9104 5 жыл бұрын
The dogon and native Hawaiians never needed a telescope wrap your scientific mind around that🌟
@patriciastewart2537
@patriciastewart2537 5 жыл бұрын
And yet they understood the origins of the Universe. The knowledge was hidden for a time. It did not go away.
@minorityreporter9104
@minorityreporter9104 5 жыл бұрын
@@patriciastewart2537 we are made of star dust👍
@Sumo-san
@Sumo-san 5 жыл бұрын
Lmfao they had and have no idea the true origins of the universe. Fairy tales. Reality is knocking.
@SterlingSMtr
@SterlingSMtr 5 жыл бұрын
@@Sumo-san Within "fairy tales" there are truths. And if you listened to the video what little clip there was pertaining to how it all began you could hear what it is they in fact did know!
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
What's the point of your statement? That's like saying a the sentinelese dont need electricity. It's just ambiguous. Were not in ancient hawaii and as a local, I can assure you 99.99% of natives cant live like ancient hawaii or let alone live off the grid. Theres room for tmt in this era. For use by locals, scientists, economic development, jobs, and so on
@davejordan267
@davejordan267 5 жыл бұрын
You can replace a telescope elsewhere but you can't replace native land
@iluvrocknrap
@iluvrocknrap 5 жыл бұрын
You can replace fairy tells ......
@davejordan267
@davejordan267 5 жыл бұрын
@@iluvrocknrap you can also replace your ignorance
@lantranarde
@lantranarde 5 жыл бұрын
@@davejordan267 or your superstition
@The.Adept.Chamber
@The.Adept.Chamber 5 жыл бұрын
To be clear: 1. The Theory of "Evolution (as proposed in Charles Darwin's book: 'On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of the Favored Races in the Struggle for Life')" is the Racism/White supremacy ideology (and the theory is false). 2. French biologist Louis Pasteur began exposing the Theory of Evolution to be false several years after the publication of Darwin's book. 3. The Theory of Evolution has no Formula (characteristic of theories without substance in fact, truth or law). 4. There is no gene in the entire genome spectrum to account for the claim of genetic evolution. 5. There are no facts or evidence to prove or support the claim that organisms change into other organisms of a more complex nature through any "unguided" or random "process". 6. The value placed on the Theory of Evolution has been connected to it's claim (a false claim) that so-called White people are "Evolved" beyond so-called non-White people through the "process of Evolution" (centered around the "stronger" dominating, mistreating or wiping-out the "weaker" etc. including the idea that the more so-called non-White the people, the closer to the "ape-man" etc.). 7. Science means Knowledge. Knowledge is to Observe, Learn and Respect. Observe is to look and listen. Learn is to find facts or find answers. Respect is to consider or think about the truth.
@davejordan267
@davejordan267 5 жыл бұрын
@@The.Adept.Chamber and your point is?
@alphanflking31
@alphanflking31 5 жыл бұрын
Protectors Not Protestors....Get it right!
@MaQuGo119
@MaQuGo119 4 жыл бұрын
Protectrs of ignorance!
@dalastkanakamaoli9058
@dalastkanakamaoli9058 3 жыл бұрын
@@MaQuGo119 haole your the definition of ignorance stay out of our islands
@mariafitts
@mariafitts 3 жыл бұрын
The way Hawaiian women dance makes me so emotional , I don’t know why. I cry
@tawaitai
@tawaitai 2 жыл бұрын
Our culture is in the dance, it’s our ancestors perpetuated in the hula.
@vp3970
@vp3970 Жыл бұрын
Bc it is like looking at nature: the ocean waves and swells; the dawning over the mountain summits; waterfalls; wind caressing the laua’e (fern) plants; beautiful birds frolicking; a child smile that is only for you. It touches inside. Words need not be uttered to describe the aforementioned as it is narrated through dance. Watching it touches inside. Nahenahe 🌺
@coffeebotography
@coffeebotography 4 ай бұрын
I know right!😢
@MsLadyRoweDeVonn
@MsLadyRoweDeVonn 5 жыл бұрын
The fact that a lot of people don't believe in global warming but yet they continue to seek and destroy the purity of the lands, I saw a sign once that said "Our childrens future over profit" this is an example. I wasn't aware that they already have did she say "13 telescopes" how many more do they really need, who or what are they trying to find !! Wow it's amazing how we as humans have no respect of others beliefs & heritage this truly brakes my heart 💔and soul. Hawaii is such a beautiful and spiritual place, it's one of the last (and really👂hearing the Hawaiians speak & sing🎶the language is so pretty and soothing) I respect what they are doing and wish that I could be there along side them and support to protect the lands. Love and blessings from Chicago!
@kahoo.manawanui
@kahoo.manawanui 5 жыл бұрын
Mahaaalo! Lots of Aloha to you and your Ohana in Chicago 🙌🏔🤙❤
@superduperfreakyDj
@superduperfreakyDj 5 жыл бұрын
This has nothing to do with climate change because the plans made sure the TMT would not hurt the local environment
@doreengordon1475
@doreengordon1475 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@_isabellarose
@_isabellarose 5 жыл бұрын
If you can build tmt on Mauna Kea the you can also build it on: The Statue of Liberty Washington monument Yosemite Yellowstone Salt Lake City temple Mount Rushmore Notre dame Grand Canyon US capital White House Disneyland Just because it’s not important to you doesn’t mean it’s not important to some one else. Honestly i feel said for those commenting hate and trying to teacher me about my culture, just know im praying for you 🙃✌️
@pancytryna9378
@pancytryna9378 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can but most of the places (or actually I think all of them) have a high light pollution and are useless to the telescope.
@_isabellarose
@_isabellarose 5 жыл бұрын
Pan Cytryna what about the carnary islands tho, they actually want the telescope
@pancytryna9378
@pancytryna9378 5 жыл бұрын
@@_isabellarose They would go there if that was better place. Appearantly it isn't
@vtec5862
@vtec5862 5 жыл бұрын
@@_isabellarose Hawaii is further south than the Canary islands so the night sky contains many more objects on Hawaii
@_isabellarose
@_isabellarose 5 жыл бұрын
Adam_The_Long and that justifys taking land away from indigenous people?
@thursdayangelgummybear1513
@thursdayangelgummybear1513 5 жыл бұрын
Mount Fuji is still active😂😂
@cgt3704
@cgt3704 4 жыл бұрын
Mount Fuji is in Japan. Not Hawaii
@jackcoolidge8123
@jackcoolidge8123 4 жыл бұрын
Claudiu Toea I think he’s referring to the girl’s comment that they don’t see any telescopes being built on Mount Fuji
@louverousse9023
@louverousse9023 5 жыл бұрын
Give this message to those how work at the telescopes , to those who want the TMT , and those who want to desacralise more sacred land ... This land is not yours, you have no right to take it. It is sacred, let the native people keep their land. Go somewhere else with all those telescopes , stop taking what is not yours .
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
What if the people working at the telescopes are 'native'?
@louverousse9023
@louverousse9023 5 жыл бұрын
@@calmdownkid Then they should be the first to refuse to continue harming the land . Yes the job probably pays well, but being respectful towards the land and their culture , themselves, seems more important .
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
@@louverousse9023 1) They're not harming the land as TMT as an entirety has limited and minimal effects on the environment. No wells, piping to direct waste to a treatment plan, etc. You can look up the rest yourself. 2) 'respectful to the land' - see above 3) 'respectful to the culture' - TMT site is not built on any temple and no evidence found in it's immediate surroundings. 4) 'respectful to themselves' - Working a labor-type day to day to put food on the able, to me, is the ultimate form of self-respect. giving up your leisures to do something repetitive. If you look at it as a case-by-case individual perspective, the people protesting either fit into the following categories. Doing it for publicity, doing it to collect benefits or get paid off, currently collecting benefits such as welfare; all of which dont fit into my definition of self-respect. Very few protesting are real activists who participate regularly in development hearings.
@doreengordon1475
@doreengordon1475 5 жыл бұрын
@@calmdownkid it is like a group of people decide that your backyard is the coveted space to build something. Don't you think you have a say? So if you say yes that is on you. If you say no! That should be good enough. Go somewhere else...
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
@@doreengordon1475 you're comparing personal property to 5% of an entire mountain dedicated to educational use. The rest is for cultural use. Both are incomparable Now, on a personal level. If they decide my backyard is best location for TMT, and they pay me the 1mil/year rent, I'd buy 4 different properties a year. Again, I dont see the point you're trying to make.
@traceysouth1047
@traceysouth1047 4 жыл бұрын
"the meeting point between those two realms" , really blew my mind. Everything about the people and THEIR land, is so spiritual and beautiful. And "intense darkness, penetrating & fathomless" in the oral history of the beginning......Love that.
@nokaoisurf
@nokaoisurf 5 жыл бұрын
This is about drawing a line and stopping the abuse. Every ounce of this state is being taken advantage including the people. It is a shame that science is being blocked and caught in the middle of this. This is a nation rehabilitating and rebuilding. Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono
@Jay-fq8uz
@Jay-fq8uz 5 жыл бұрын
Lost InMaui well Said
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
This is about racist, xenophobic cowards, taking aim at the one venue they know they won't be removed at gunpoint...science. Their attack may not be against science...but they're still using the scientific community to make their point. A misguided, delusional, incorrect stance on history, but that's their point. You don't see these cowards protesting any new resorts or hotels. You dont see these fools volunteer to protect the heiaus and parks. Why? Because only cowards bring the fight to a bunch of science nerds. Way to show the world that brave Kamehameha spirit.
@kahoo.manawanui
@kahoo.manawanui 5 жыл бұрын
You all need to see Lanakila putting a halt to the groundbreaking ceremony back in 2014. "You wanna look up into the Sky?? You cant even take care of this place!!"
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
Oh you mean that aggro clown who is both a charlatan and a fraud? That same guy who didn't bother to vote? Got it. Yeah, that WAS sad to see. It always pains me to see people who didn't bother to educate themselves whine and cry about things they don't understand...
@ikaikaxkeahi
@ikaikaxkeahi 4 жыл бұрын
@@djstrongarmgmail Trust me he understands WAY more than you I know for a fact. Where do you get your info from? Just bullshit flying out your ass it seems like.
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
@@ikaikaxkeahi Trust an uneducated, ignorant, dishonest, racist, welfare sucking, roach? Why would anyone in their right mind with an education do such a thing? My information? Oh, you know,...here and there. Born on the Islands, thankfully raised and educated somewhere else NOT the islands. I went to college. Oh, and I own property on two islands, so I've spent over 48 years there watching, and learning what a horrible step backwards angry, out of control, frauds like that punk bitch are to the future of the Islands. What would I know,...RIGHT!?
@kekoamaunakea4473
@kekoamaunakea4473 3 жыл бұрын
That’s why they look to the sky, they’ve burned down every other plan our creators had for its earthlings...”I’m definitely suffering PTSD from the illegal occupation of the USA”. Stay strong Sistah!!!
@coolprof1951
@coolprof1951 5 жыл бұрын
We’re not going anywhere....we are mauna kea......
@almareyes2192
@almareyes2192 5 жыл бұрын
@@navysealblackwater you really are everywhere you little shit
@kiszmyass9638
@kiszmyass9638 5 жыл бұрын
Alma Reyes Just ignore Burns. He apparently is someone with nothing to say that is just looking to get a rise out of people.
@almareyes2192
@almareyes2192 5 жыл бұрын
@@kiszmyass9638 it's just upsetting how blind people can be. He must really think the government gives a fuck about him. You right though pardon my foul language 💯
@dalastkanakamaoli9058
@dalastkanakamaoli9058 3 жыл бұрын
@@navysealblackwater lmao just stay away from our islands before you get delt with you fawking haole
@howzitcruzinthrulife9146
@howzitcruzinthrulife9146 5 жыл бұрын
A’ole TMT!! Ku Kia’i Mauna🤙🏽
@mojojoji5493
@mojojoji5493 5 жыл бұрын
Sea dreams 🤙🏽
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 5 жыл бұрын
IMUA TMT!! Hiki ke ulu aʻe. 🤙
@tortoise2.04
@tortoise2.04 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah more Hawaiian people
@nbal4243
@nbal4243 5 жыл бұрын
Who cares. All these idiots protesting need to go back to work and pay their mortgage and feed their family.
@stormk8173
@stormk8173 4 жыл бұрын
David Armstrong Kū kiaʻi Mauna! Aʻole TMT
@HawkinaBox
@HawkinaBox 5 жыл бұрын
Well, this isn't the first time a land was fucked over. Steamboat, Colorado is a tourist town, but recently it gained a lot of more popularity and major changes happened. When I lived there in the summer and the winter it would be nice and peaceful, not too overcrowded, but last winter it was beyond crowded and they added this weird slide on the mountain, so now you have a big tourist thing in the middle of the bottom of the mountain that goes up it and it just takes away the natural beauty. I love Steamboat, Colorado, but don't take away the natural beauty of nature.
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
Complete false equivalence. This isnt for tourists. Not sure if you're aware of that little fact.
@Georges_Haussmann
@Georges_Haussmann Жыл бұрын
This is a lot worse though
@Thomas_Oklahoma
@Thomas_Oklahoma 4 жыл бұрын
Mauna Kea is also a critical part of the ceded lands trust that the State of Hawaiʻi must protect and preserve for future generations, pursuant to its kuleana as a trustee. Despite four state audits and generations of Native Hawaiians expressing concern about the threats to Mauna Kea, the state and the University of Hawaiʻi have continuously neglected their legal duties to adequately manage the mountain. Instead, they have prioritized astronomical development at the expense of properly caring for Mauna Kea’s natural and cultural resources. As a result, the state and UH have failed as trustees and stewards of this beloved and sacred place. Even the governor and the university president have both publicly admitted to failing to meet their management responsibilities. OHA has long advocated for improved stewardship of the mauna and beginning in 2015 engaged the state and UH in a nearly two-year mediated process to resolve the mismanagement of Mauna Kea. Ultimately, this effort was not successful. Left with no other recourse, OHA filed a lawsuit in 2017 to advocate on behalf of the Native Hawaiian people to hold the state and UH accountable for its longstanding and well-documented mismanagement of Mauna Kea. Among other things, OHA’s complaint requests the court to order the state fulfill its trust obligations relating to Mauna Kea and to terminate UH’s general lease for the mountain for breach of the lease’s terms. This is not about any one telescope. This lawsuit is about addressing the state and the university failing to manage the entire mountain for nearly half a century. Don't forget, Mauna Kea was put into trust for the Native Hawaiians when Hawaii was taken by the United States!
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
The TMT EIS states the following: "The operation of the Project, in accordance with the CMP and other applicable rules, regulations, and requirements, will not result in a significant adverse impact." The Supreme Court of Hawaii ruled that "(1) the TMT will not cause substantial adverse impact to existing plants, aquatic life and wildlife, cultural, historic, and archaeological sites, minerals, recreational sites, geologic sites, scenic areas, ecologically significant areas, and watersheds, (2) mitigation measures of restoring the abandoned Poliʻahu Road and decommissioning five telescopes will be adopted, and (3) other measures to lessen the impacts of the TMT will be adopted... the TMT will not have a substantial adverse impact to existing natural resources within the surrounding area, community, or region" The Supreme Court of Hawaii affirmed the Conservation District Use Permit for TMT. They agreed with BLNR's analysis that the observatory will not have a substantial adverse impact to the environment, ecology and community. Previous state audits reported a _cumulative_ negative impact for maunakea management. However, there weren't any major jaw-dropping, blockbuster, show-stopping infractions/events that caused great environmental and ecological damage. They were all _minor._ Collectively, there were a lot of things to fix. Those scopes weren't environmental disasters, like the protesters falsely claim.
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
The Mauna Kea Management Plan has addressed and mitigated many of the action items reported in earlier state audits from a regulation, process and operation perspective. Follow-up state audits have shown that Mauna Kea Management has acted in good faith, implemented many corrective actions and greatly improved their management. TMT is the first telescope that is being implemented with the new set of rules and it's a model go-forward plan for future telescope. The _Follow-Up Audit of the Management of Mauna Kea and the Mauna Kea Science Reserve (14-07) states, "we found that UH and DLNR have made progress on implementing many of our previous major recommendations but that some issues remain unresolved." This audit generated 8 recommendations for improvement. The _Follow-Up on Recommendations from Report No. 14-07, Follow-Up Audit of the Management of Mauna Kea and the Mauna Kea Science Reserve (17-06)_ states, "We found that UH and DLNR have partially implemented four of the recommendations. Three recommendations remain open, and one is inapplicable at this time." All the recommendations aren't equally important. Some are more so than others. There were 8 recommendations dealing with administrative rules (1 item), tour operators (2 items), _action items against the Comprehensive Management Plan🚩_ (1 item), lease/sub-leases (3 items) and observatory permit templates (1 item). The most important recommendation was Recommendation #4. Recommended 4 dealt with actions for the Mauna Kea Comprehensive Management Plan. The University of Hawaii implemented *20 of the 25* total CMP management actions. It was partially implemented and *80% complete.*🌟🌟🌟🌟⭐ Like I said, follow-up state audits were conducted and confirmed strong improvement in maunakea management. It shows accountability, responsibility and compliance. That's great progress!
@dbiles2216
@dbiles2216 4 жыл бұрын
Protect what is sacred to you. Praying for Mauna Kea
@vincedhilandulay7798
@vincedhilandulay7798 2 жыл бұрын
The telescope is an instrument of wisdom, knowledge, curiosity and progression of humanity. It is sad that people that have seafairing ancestors that used the constellation of stars to navigate and explore the vast ocean would oppose the construction.
@808fishman8
@808fishman8 2 жыл бұрын
@@vincedhilandulay7798 build it elsewhere
@vincedhilandulay7798
@vincedhilandulay7798 2 жыл бұрын
@@808fishman8 No, it is one the best spot for a telescope.
@808fishman8
@808fishman8 2 жыл бұрын
@@vincedhilandulay7798 the folks in canary islands ACTUALLY want it. we oppose construction because this type of industrialization been proven to be damaging and non beneficial in the ʻong run. this telescope is completely unnecessary
@akuaku3256
@akuaku3256 2 жыл бұрын
@@vincedhilandulay7798 build it in Chile. They got dry air and elevations higher than Mauna Kea. Screw that telescope.
@waimeagrl5142
@waimeagrl5142 5 жыл бұрын
The least NBC could’ve done was to get a narrator that could say the Hawaiian words properly.
@apollo23V
@apollo23V 5 жыл бұрын
In conclusion they don’t want to search for aliens 👽
@leob4403
@leob4403 4 жыл бұрын
They are already doing that all over the world, and frankly, it's a waste of resources. They should focus on taking care of this one planet we got, instead of pretending to be Jodie Foster in Contact
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@@leob4403 Astronomy and space exploration help protect the planet with new technologies, satellites to monitor the planet's health and telescopes to protect the planet from cosmic threats, such as asteroids and solar storms.
@leob4403
@leob4403 4 жыл бұрын
@@sunnysied713 right and when we detect a huge asteroid we're gonna send a bunch of blue collar guys to blow it up right?
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@@leob4403 There are definitely ways where you can defend against an asteroid. NASA is launching the DART mission in 2020 that will use a high velocity kinectic impacter to slam into an asteroid and deflect its trajectory. Also, telescopes help determine the size and trajectory of asteroids. If you see it from far away, then you have more time to prepare a defense and to warn specific Earth regions of an impending impact zone. The telescopes act as kia'i of the planet.
@leob4403
@leob4403 4 жыл бұрын
@@sunnysied713 Yeah but these specific telescopes are made to search for extraterrestrial life, and that is a childish notion, it's self indulging a teenage boyroom fantasy. We can't keep destroying this planet for such nonsense
@ventsyv
@ventsyv 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the problem is not really the telescope but the overall relation with the native Hawaiians. Which is very unfortunate because it means the problem won't be resolved any time soon.
@MN16304
@MN16304 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, these people don't care about the mountain. It's a sovereignty issue.
@AdAstraCan
@AdAstraCan 5 жыл бұрын
It's a high profile "win" for their movment if they block TMT, which is why they are likely fighting it instead of, say, fighting to restore species habitat elsewhere on the Islands (Hawaii has suffered more species loss than pretty much anywhere else). Sadly, if they do "win", a small patch of dirt won't host a telescope, and students will lose a million dollars a year the TMT plans to put into STEM via the THINK fund ("The Hawaii Island New Knowledge" fund), not to mention losing great jobs that feed the economy on the Big Island. That energy could have gone into something useful like habitat preservation. There are many more native Hawaiians who support TMT than are shown in the video - they are the majority - and this whole thing has gone through an exhaustive process, especially with respect to ensuring appropriate site use. See tmt.org for more information. Hawaii's reputation for upholding the rule of law will also be hurt as it will be clear that the court rulings were not respected. I am dubious about the intentions of Jason Momoa, seen in the video, given how he has the need to rehabilitate his image after his 2011 ComicCon comments about women hit the fan in 2017, or might simply benefit from the publicity, though writing "No TMT" on his bare chest and glowering at the camera is ridiculous, not to mention his posed "arrest" shots recently (he wasn't arrested and it was just for photos). It's also worth noting that one of the leaders, Pisciotta, is a Hawaiian who used to work as a telescope assistant on the mountain for twelve years. Clearly she didn't think telescopes up there were a bad idea when she took the job, but rather than fixing things with respect to site usage - and there have been many efforts to do that since she quit in 2011 - she still wants to shut it all down. Now she's "found religion" and thinks having any telescopes up there harms cultural practises. Also, why is she shedding tears at elders being arrested when she is the one encouraging them to be arrested for the cause?
@twoscoopsaloha7151
@twoscoopsaloha7151 5 жыл бұрын
@@MN16304 you're way off bruh
@edwardhalmarack7122
@edwardhalmarack7122 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe they can realise that this sacred ground could also be used to look into places never seen before. Surely they can do this alongside the natives and respect the sacred mountain.
@davejordan267
@davejordan267 5 жыл бұрын
@@edwardhalmarack7122 maybe you should realise that this mountain is sacred to the native culture of hawaii? And keeping it culturally sacred is important for the future generations of native Hawaiians and pasifika people in general. You can replace a telescope elsewhere but you can't replace someone's sacred land.
@djlesinski7978
@djlesinski7978 5 жыл бұрын
Was just on the Big Island recently. Beautiful people. Absolute shame what has happened and is continuing to happen to their culture. Textbook protest. I hope they finally get the respect they deserve.
@lukevandenlangenberg7114
@lukevandenlangenberg7114 5 жыл бұрын
Tmt sucks
@minipoopuu12340
@minipoopuu12340 5 жыл бұрын
Darren Lesinski you can thank the asshole of a governor for that it’s Hawaii’s fault for voting that dumb shit into office he is no leader of our state just out looking to fill his bank account!
@paulshipley6024
@paulshipley6024 5 жыл бұрын
You think that illegally blocking a telescope should earn respect? What if someone would not let you into your own house (and the police did nothing) would that make you respect them?
@joshuajoseph8082
@joshuajoseph8082 4 жыл бұрын
starhit ikr! I’m against TNT and all, but most these guys on Mauna Kea right now voted for him simply cuz he’s a dem. Most dems are stupid too
@teleitatauteoli2869
@teleitatauteoli2869 4 жыл бұрын
@@paulshipley6024 but what if you got that house illegally, should you be respected?
@jh7504
@jh7504 5 жыл бұрын
1:52 Correction: TMT is NOT being built on the summit. Know the facts.
@MN16304
@MN16304 5 жыл бұрын
It will, bozo.
@jh7504
@jh7504 5 жыл бұрын
No, it will not. The existing telescopes are near the summit of Maunakea. The site of TMT is to be located on a lava plain BELOW the summit. www.maunakeaandtmt.org/get-the-facts/
@Ryanmohika
@Ryanmohika 5 жыл бұрын
M N sorry my braddah looks like it will go to the Canary Islands,us Hawaiians ain’t going no where, Kū Kia’i Mauna!
@BudhagRizzo
@BudhagRizzo 5 жыл бұрын
@@Ryanmohika The Canary Islands already have activists not wanting it there, and I doubt the TMT is willing to go through all this strife again. I think they're here for the long haul.
@123clintonk
@123clintonk 5 жыл бұрын
So are we
@johncolisao2274
@johncolisao2274 4 жыл бұрын
i think all islanders should unite as one. Micronesia, Polynesia, Melanesia. Guam, Hawaii, CNMI, Palau, Samoa, every island. We all unite as one and become stronger, not just physically and emotionally but spiritually. Divided by tide, united by pride 🤙🏻💯 CHHHHEEHOOOOOOO
@jeanjordan8602
@jeanjordan8602 5 жыл бұрын
Hawaii cannot be COLLATERAL DAMAGE....for rich and greedy people.....who are buying up these islands for their own purposes..God Bless the Hawaiian people and Hawaii...
@chanteylmactagone3864
@chanteylmactagone3864 5 жыл бұрын
We the people voted our city counsel our mayor our governor who all had Hawaiian bloodline and had big say in these project like overdeveloped our precious ag lands for housing when there is no more room more n more immigrants coming for jobs n housing no point fingaz when our own people is selling out das da real deal collateral damage shit our own people has slot to do with all this Mayham we build n build all over our sacred land not only on da mauna if it's gonna affect there pocket book no protest no flag waiving no why cause we all gota work they go up da mauna to protest then go back down the mauna to develope choke sacred lands ahhh Hollywood coyotes all look good on tv
@kaylaandres2316
@kaylaandres2316 5 жыл бұрын
RESPECT THE PEOPLE OF HAWAII!! WE ARE MAUNA KEA
@jefftroy4518
@jefftroy4518 5 жыл бұрын
It's USA property.
@kaiyaubozo8082
@kaiyaubozo8082 5 жыл бұрын
Jeff Troy stolen Hawaiian property
@kaylaandres2316
@kaylaandres2316 5 жыл бұрын
Jeff Troy it was taken illegally
@jefftroy4518
@jefftroy4518 5 жыл бұрын
@@kaiyaubozo8082 Its the law of the jungle. Look back at world history.
@kaiyaubozo8082
@kaiyaubozo8082 5 жыл бұрын
Jeff Troy The law of the jungle or an excuse of an illegal overthrow. World history shows cultures getting screwed over by the white man not the law of the jungle.
@gov2260
@gov2260 4 жыл бұрын
The protesters say they own the mountain so where is the deed? If you own something you call the cops and have them removed. What are we missing? The TMT process, permits, surveys and surveys of the surveys has been going since 2006 and NOW you don't like it? No laws have been broken. In fact if governor Ige does not allow the construction HE could be sued. So much drama of an easily fixed problem. If the protesters want to be taken seriously they need to explain their side in a unemotional fact-based way. Every time I hear the "you wouldn't understand" response I think I'm arguing with a teenage girl.
@gunplabuildersunitedusa
@gunplabuildersunitedusa 4 жыл бұрын
Mason Matthews see haole’s like you are ignorant and uneducated. The kingdom of Hawaii is an occupied nation..we did not ask to be apart of the United States of terrorists, they nurseries thousands of our people for money and you think we had deeds...WTF!!! Why would we need deeds for lands that are lands that belong to the Hawaiian people? So when we say you wouldn’t understand, we mean you wouldn’t understand , you can’t fathom the anger and frustration we Hawaiian people feel
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@@gunplabuildersunitedusa No, it's not an illegally occupied nation. You wouldn't understand.
@gunplabuildersunitedusa
@gunplabuildersunitedusa 4 жыл бұрын
Sunny Sied I wouldn’t understand? So your saying that the Hawaiian people wanted to be apart of the US?? Ha ha ha what a joke!!! You know how many Hawaiian people where slaughters by the hands of the terrorist that is the US, only you haoles would believe that we wanted to be slaves to the US
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@@gunplabuildersunitedusa Nope, I'm saying there was no illegal occupation of the Hawaiian Kingdom. It got overthrown by an internal, homegrown coup of wealthy and powerful haole (who were citizens and royal subjects). There was no military invasion or occupation. Queen Liliuokalani handed the keys to the Kingdom without a fight. She abandoned her kuleana and didn't protect the nation, which was her constitutional duty. When you surrender, that's the end of the ballgame. She surrendered. She thought President Cleveland was gonna bail her out and do her work for her. Well, Restoration Day 2.0 didn't happen. Every country has to defend their sovereignty. The Hawaiian Kingdom couldn't defend itself from the French, British or its own citizens. There was no American invasion. If you want a U.S. military invasion, then look at Haiti, which was a lengthy and bloody war campaign. The Honolulu Riflemen took the Kingdom like it was a walk on the beach.
@grim7965
@grim7965 5 жыл бұрын
You have my full support! I wish you guys all the best of luck!! Respect to your Island, your culture, and your religion GIVE THEM HELL - From Utah
@marylou1277
@marylou1277 4 жыл бұрын
And from North Carolina, I wish you all the luck and support.
@honolulueqz808
@honolulueqz808 4 жыл бұрын
Mahalo🤙🏽
@faerie5926
@faerie5926 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed! ~from an aspiring native historian :3
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
So, you sit in a landlocked state and are fed lies by revisionist, racist, xenophobes? How very mormon of you.
@Lopaaz
@Lopaaz 3 жыл бұрын
Support from earth!
@Borderlands808
@Borderlands808 4 жыл бұрын
This brought tears to my eyes. 😢 I hope they find somewhere else to build.
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
Is it difficult being run by your emotions? I haven't known what that feels like since I was 6 or 7. Since then, this pesky thing called a "brain" (did I spell that right?) keeps getting in the way of things like this...
@idrislamont1064
@idrislamont1064 3 жыл бұрын
The Other Dave Lmao go fuck yourself you edgy bitch. We don’t need another fancy telescope we have actual problems here on Earth
@DinoZavrus
@DinoZavrus 3 жыл бұрын
@@idrislamont1064 Lmao, calm fuckin down. For astronomical purposes that place is perfect for light gaining.
@idrislamont1064
@idrislamont1064 3 жыл бұрын
@@DinoZavrus 😂 I don’t even remember what that was responding to whoever it was deleted it. I still think we should respect sacred lands though.
@DinoZavrus
@DinoZavrus 3 жыл бұрын
@@idrislamont1064 KK
@JamesLandon
@JamesLandon 5 жыл бұрын
If Aquaman (Jason Momoa) is with them, then it's a good cause.
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
I think he stayed for a day then went back to the mainland.
@paulshipley6024
@paulshipley6024 5 жыл бұрын
That makes absolutely sense (or is it a joke)?
@JamesLandon
@JamesLandon 5 жыл бұрын
@@paulshipley6024 Not a joke. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d5ina7eI1bnKl4U.html
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
He's got a great heart....and little to no brains. And if you can just jump on board with an agenda without caring about the validity or truth to that agendas ends...that proves just how much of a useful idiot you are. Try thinking with your head and not your heart. Facts not feelings.
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
@@grimfryggdrasil6098 absolutely not. If anything, fuckheads like you will make me louder and work even harder to help educate the world and show how backwards and disgusting you people truly are.
@Roberto-Antonio
@Roberto-Antonio 4 жыл бұрын
Fight for your Sovereignty and a Free & Independent Hawaiian Kingdom. Regain your Country, Culture, History, Language, Traditions and Customs. Remember who you are.. You are not part of North America, you are part of Polynesia. Stand Proud!
@vincedhilandulay7798
@vincedhilandulay7798 2 жыл бұрын
The telescope is an instrument of wisdom, knowledge, curiosity and progression of humanity. It is sad that people that have seafairing ancestors that used the constellation of stars to navigate and explore the vast ocean would oppose the construction.
@Roberto-Antonio
@Roberto-Antonio 2 жыл бұрын
@@vincedhilandulay7798 No one opposes the advancement of Knowledge in today's world, but we must always do it by Respecting All the different Cultures that currently inhabit our Planet. Hawaii is Not part of the Continental United States, the Hawaiian Arcipelago is a chain of Islands that were Illegally Annexed by the Americans in 1898. The Advancement of Mankind has always been made at the Expense of the Indigenous, African and Asian people by White Europeans. Where was the so called civilized man when they discovered people who were completely different to themselves? Unfortunately people of Color have always been deemed by European Conquerors as Savage and Unintelligent. So keep your Kind words in the name of Progression for Humanity, which by the way is exactly the same tactics used by Europeans who were Curious in their Conquest to Colonize the World. Respect the Native people of Hawaii and their wishes. The people Native to the land are who decide what is considered Sacred to their people and Not the United States Government who currently Illegally occupies the Kingdom of Hawaii! TMT can go with their backup site and build the Telescope on one of Spain's Canary Islands where the people welcome the construction.
@vincedhilandulay7798
@vincedhilandulay7798 2 жыл бұрын
@@Roberto-Antonio ok nerd
@Roberto-Antonio
@Roberto-Antonio 2 жыл бұрын
@@vincedhilandulay7798 Based on your reply, it's clear you don't have the mental dexterity to give an Intelligent reply... Stay out of the kitchen if you can't handle the heat! 🔥
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 2 жыл бұрын
@@Roberto-Antonio All you have is all you are. A walking, racist platitude, filled with a soft shell of ignorance of actual history and the beautiful blending of cultures that makes Hawaii what it is. All racists like yourself ignore history and the conquests of people of color, like the Moors, the Mongolians, the Persians, and the Tahitians themselves. It seems to be a commonality between you people. Like you're reading a script.
@watersheep2546
@watersheep2546 4 жыл бұрын
This research has led me to some conclusions. First, there are indeed places on Mauna Kea that are sacred. These are places where Hawaiians have continuously participated in traditional and customary practices; so there are unquestionably specific geo-cultural sites on Mauna Kea that are protected, and the practices that are associated with these sites meet all the defining criteria of being traditional and customary. But the extension of sacredness to the entire mountain and the air column above it gives rise to questions about how much cultural validation there is for the idea that this pre-empts any and all other uses of the mountain. I found no documentation indicating that Mauna Kea, as a whole, is sacred. I could not find any reference to any blanket of sacredness over the entire mountain and the air column in any of the usual sources of validation - not even in the Kumulipo Hawaiian creation-origin chant, or in the writings of Native Hawaiian historians of the 19th century like Samuel Kamakau, David Malo, John Papa ‘I‘i and Kepelino. Beyond the blanket-of-sacredness claim, there is nothing else on record to suggest any validated sacred places would be disturbed by the construction or operation of the TMT. Validated sacred places include the peaks of Pu‘u o Kūkahau‘ula, Pu‘u Poli‘ahu and Pu‘u Lilinoe, Lake Waiau, and various heiau (temples), ‘ahu (altars), ana (caves), lua kā ko‘i (quarries), and ilina (burials). In fact, I believe the decision about the TMT’s location was made to ensure that no sacred site was violated, nor access to any sacred site impeded. The telescope was also sited below the summit to minimize its visual obtrusiveness. ... “The TMT presents probably the greatest opportunity - the greatest cultural opportunity, religious opportunity - that we will ever have to do the one thing that is at the center of every cultural group. That is, search for the ancestors. Our story of creation begins with the night of Pō, with the darkness. I’m assuming that at some point in time, with projects like the TMT, we will actually be able to go back and find the Night of Pō. I cannot think of anything more significant than that.” -Peter Apo, Office of Hawaiian Affairs trustee
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
Take it easy with all those facts and logic, bro. These silly, sad, uneducated fools don't like it when people know more than them. So, it's an everyday struggle for them...
@kahoaliiaiu7130
@kahoaliiaiu7130 4 жыл бұрын
I’m against it and Mauna Kea is scared and it connects to where my people and ancestors that I come from and we Hawaiians know that Mauna Kea is Sacred and Hawaii is my home and I say give us back Mauna Kea and we will destroy the telescope and we never needed the telescope we knew how to Navigate without the telescope and I’m an Ali’i and so my kingdom is still alive and I’m an Ali’i as well and I wanna just go up on Mauna Kea and visit my people as well and my seven time grandfather is Kamehameha 1 and so Mauna Kea is Sacred and I’m against the telescope so I would destroy the telescope
@hookukio
@hookukio 5 жыл бұрын
Too many words. And we don't clean up the garbage left behind. Or build up the homeless. No one's going to understand until you open your eye. Lol. That's my problem with a multi million dollar project no matter what it is.
@HawkinaBox
@HawkinaBox 5 жыл бұрын
My problem is they don't get the people's consent. In a city it's fine, but in a rural place like this it's awful.
@willijl
@willijl 5 жыл бұрын
Brother I hear and understand and support your words... but this could be a platform to get all things you need and want
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
@@HawkinaBox There was a vote for TMT locally here on the big island and it gained a high acceptance in the poll
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
@@HawkinaBox more lies you chose yo shove down your throat.
@Samartitxiki
@Samartitxiki 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds more like a humanity problem rather than a multi-million dollar project’s problem.
@klypz2175
@klypz2175 3 жыл бұрын
Living in the past is dying in the present. Build the telescope.
@s.durbar1294
@s.durbar1294 5 жыл бұрын
Its beautiful how we romanticize our lands. This island was first populated by Polynesians merely when the byzantine empire was still a thing, and how much Europe has changed since. Populations shift, sacred places get desecrated in the name of progress, and then forgotten. Seven or nine Troys built on top of each other, surviving memory thanks to one story ages old, layers beneath layers built under Budapest since Roman times, sacred caves/natural catacombs that meant everything for entire groups of people now gone, some gutted for museums, others destroyed by nature's only predictable law of constant change.
@alphazeta2399
@alphazeta2399 4 жыл бұрын
It’s so important to go back and keep the stories,beliefs,foods and customs especially the old way of building the houses, teach the next generations so they can survive.
@waimeagrl5142
@waimeagrl5142 5 жыл бұрын
Get it right, PROTECTOR’S NOT protestor’s!!!!
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
Protesters, not protestor's. Get it right. And those people, by all definitions of the word, are 'protesting'. Therefore they are protesters. Kind of like how you'd call someone boxing a boxer.
@waimeagrl5142
@waimeagrl5142 5 жыл бұрын
Calvin HI No, they are PROTECTING the mauna from TMT and all the wrong that has been done and what wants to be done.
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
@@waimeagrl5142 Okay, TMT specifically has been reviewed and planned for 15 years to be 'safe' culturally and environmentally. I can't believe how much this has been said, but all the environmental assessments have been done and reviewed already. TMT is there legally, and socially, it was accepted in a local vote. When TMT goes up, 5 of the other telescopes will be decomissioned. At the end of it's lease, TMT will be taken down and the environment restored. All of those are more environmentally friendly than the thousands of 'Protectors' who are PROTESTING and living on a make-shift base thats going unchecked for sanitary conditions. As for harm that "wants to be done" (?) TMT will benefit science, discoveries, Big Island economy, Big Island Jobs, and Big Island kids. Not a single LEGIT negative affect of TMT has been said in all of these videos. Only vague normative statements and revisionist, incorrect history
@waimeagrl5142
@waimeagrl5142 5 жыл бұрын
Calvin HI Calvin, you should listen to videos by Keanu Sai and Sen. Kai Kahele and perhaps you’ll be educated on the subject enough to speak intelligently about the subject.
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
@@waimeagrl5142 I have. If you watched them yourself, use his points to defend what stance your taking because I cant tell what you're trying to say specifically. Because I dont want to argue history and annexation. Only TMT specifically.
@greghelton4668
@greghelton4668 3 жыл бұрын
Ancient Hawaiians were explorers and so were many of their demigods. Isn’t there a good chance they would have enjoyed exploring the universe?
@Apistevist
@Apistevist 3 жыл бұрын
They were known for their interest in the sky. Also, the telescope is being built, don't worry.
@edwardandmichaelsbiggestfa1967
@edwardandmichaelsbiggestfa1967 3 жыл бұрын
of course. but that’s not the point. the land up on the mountains are very sacred to our people. we’re not even allowed to go up there in the first place. it is only meant for kings, queens, and our gods. and it’s also the fact that they already built 13 telescopes up there. they keep promising us it is the last then next you know they build another one. see it’s not that we’re against science, we’re against the disrespect on our indigenous people and land. too much injustices have already happened to hawaii. first the US illegally took our land and now they can’t even respect it. it really does hurt us all and we have had enough.
@greghelton4668
@greghelton4668 3 жыл бұрын
@@edwardandmichaelsbiggestfa1967 that’s a new perspective. Thank you.
@mr.OldNews
@mr.OldNews 3 жыл бұрын
@@edwardandmichaelsbiggestfa1967 protesting against the us government in this instance is like throwing a pebble at a giant steel wall and expecting the wall to fall down..good luck i guess...
@edwardandmichaelsbiggestfa1967
@edwardandmichaelsbiggestfa1967 3 жыл бұрын
@@mr.OldNews even the government knows what they did was wrong. all we got was a sorry. sooner or later we’ll get at least something back. like cheaper rent or just them respecting our indeginous land instead of building unwanted and unneeded things. that’s all we ask
@keolaani3847
@keolaani3847 5 жыл бұрын
Aole!! TMT!!
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 5 жыл бұрын
IMUA TMT!
@keolaani3847
@keolaani3847 5 жыл бұрын
@@djstrongarmgmail UFA TMT!!
@The.Adept.Chamber
@The.Adept.Chamber 5 жыл бұрын
Peace, Aloha and Justice.
@evelyntarawa2789
@evelyntarawa2789 4 жыл бұрын
Our HAWAII Brother & Sisters yous are the Oceans you's are the land,you's are the Ngahere,you's are E- tangata Etu E TANGATA HONOR HONOR HUMBLE KIND HEARTED I SALUTE 🙌🙌 🙌🙌 🙌🙌 🙌🙌 🙌 FROM AOTEAROA NZ 🌳🌳🌳🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌏👈
@AllIsWellaus
@AllIsWellaus 5 жыл бұрын
It was amazing for support. I saw the Māori, Aotearoa flag.
@AllIsWellaus
@AllIsWellaus 5 жыл бұрын
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom sure, I understand the background. I just thought it was pretty cool that Māori representatives made it out there.
@The.Adept.Chamber
@The.Adept.Chamber 5 жыл бұрын
Maoli, Maori, Moro, Moor.
@The.Adept.Chamber
@The.Adept.Chamber 5 жыл бұрын
To be clear: According to National and International law, Government's oath is to act according to the rule of law; and protection of the people's rights. Human rights violations are war crimes (in this instance for Mauna Kea); regarding the Native Tennant Rights with the people and sacred lands.
@HawkinaBox
@HawkinaBox 5 жыл бұрын
You'd think they would be laws to protect these lands, but I guess they're aren't or they're like "Fuck it, we're doing this for research and we don't give a shit about your traditions or your sacred lands."
@almareyes2192
@almareyes2192 5 жыл бұрын
@@HawkinaBox ofcourse cause they always make the laws according to them. They never give a fuck about the people. We should be standing up also for our rights. Because us getting upset through this video and then going on on your day wont fix anything. Let's go fight!!
@____________3321
@____________3321 5 жыл бұрын
Damn I've seen you comment this all over the video
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
@@____________3321 The funny thing is, TMT has gone through the legal process making it lawfully sound, making it NOT a human right violation or war crime. Legally, it's sound with Native tenant rights and sacred lands, both of which aren't even affected by TMT. So the comment is actually pro-tmt, not anti-tmt.
@cs0345
@cs0345 4 жыл бұрын
But not all Hawaiians are even polytheists. And you can't put those beliefs over everyone else's on Hawaii.
@JulianGuevaraphoto
@JulianGuevaraphoto 5 жыл бұрын
Colonialism must end.
@MN16304
@MN16304 5 жыл бұрын
No, you leave the US.
@kaiyaubozo8082
@kaiyaubozo8082 5 жыл бұрын
M N No the US leave us
@davejordan267
@davejordan267 5 жыл бұрын
@@MN16304 don't ever
@jefftroy4518
@jefftroy4518 5 жыл бұрын
MAGA
@davejordan267
@davejordan267 5 жыл бұрын
@@jefftroy4518 yeah nah wrong idea mate
@DH-mf2qt
@DH-mf2qt 4 жыл бұрын
Our goverment is meant to protect the people not support private interests. The islands have been exploited so much it is a wonderous telescope with amazing capability but it does not belong there. We are in solidarty with the protectors of Mauna Kea
@Dakarn
@Dakarn 5 жыл бұрын
$1.4 Billion, and they couldn't retrofit one of the other 13 telescopes? They had to build a new one? Sounds like some politicians decided it was better to take some kickbacks and line their pockets with cash to me.
@iiidegreeshairstyling2882
@iiidegreeshairstyling2882 5 жыл бұрын
TMT will be a football field big , 3 stories deep and 15 stories tall. . build it on mount fuji
@joeblow6975
@joeblow6975 5 жыл бұрын
Why worry about other planets and stars when they can't even help us on planet earth
@kealohakalama5599
@kealohakalama5599 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Hawaii needs sustainability not further desecration of our natural resources.
@joeblow6975
@joeblow6975 5 жыл бұрын
@Dr Moriarty please tell me when looking at other stars and planets has helped us. Be specific in explaining.
@joeblow6975
@joeblow6975 5 жыл бұрын
I never said science has not helped us so don't put words in my mouth please. I said why worry about stars and planets when we can't even help each other here.
@joeblow6975
@joeblow6975 5 жыл бұрын
God gave us everything here so there is no reason to look any further. We need to stop pretending that we can leave the firmament. We can't even dig past 8 miles underground and you think looking at stars or planets can help us
@joeblow6975
@joeblow6975 5 жыл бұрын
@Dr Moriarty I'm glad I amuse you.
@Dugout97
@Dugout97 4 жыл бұрын
Science/Progress vs Religion
@mikeNM08
@mikeNM08 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, I guess if the white scientist don't get Mauna Kai, that's the end of science. You're an idiot
@noelxlk
@noelxlk Жыл бұрын
Science and Religion can coexist contrary to popular belief
@Kai-wf5tg
@Kai-wf5tg 3 жыл бұрын
I thought Hawaiian religion had died out to see people still following that is beautiful
@vincedhilandulay7798
@vincedhilandulay7798 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but doing this is killing their heritage and culture, the Polynesians were a seafairing civilizations that used the constellation of stars to navigate and explore the vast ocean, their ancestors would be disappointed.
@olomasaniai7632
@olomasaniai7632 5 жыл бұрын
Why not just build the TMT on the top of Mountain Everest Instead of ruining other religions and cultures?
@paulshipley6024
@paulshipley6024 5 жыл бұрын
How is it ruining their culture. It is just a power grab for people who what to make Hawaii a Kingdom. And you can't put a scope on Everest (too cold and windy)
@olomasaniai7632
@olomasaniai7632 5 жыл бұрын
@@paulshipley6024 it's a sacred land... I'm from the islands too. And religion is a big part of us Islanders. Oh and I meant religion sorry. But why Hawaii?
@mikeNM08
@mikeNM08 5 жыл бұрын
@@paulshipley6024 You have a sick atheist agenda going on
@paulshipley6024
@paulshipley6024 5 жыл бұрын
@@mikeNM08 How am I sick? Because I want a research telescope to go where it needs to go. And why Hawaii? It is 2000m higher than the canary islands the only other global site comparable is in Chile and that has the European ELT (even Europe didn't want their telescope in the Canary Island) telescope being built there. If both ELT and TMT are in the Southern Hemisphere then neither scope has a good view of the Northern Sky. What part of this makes me sick?
@mikeNM08
@mikeNM08 5 жыл бұрын
@@paulshipley6024 I love science too, but there are plenty of other places in Hawaii or North America to place a telescope. There is no need to play colonial advocate in the name of science over Indigenous Cultures who have been there before the Europeans invaded. BTW, the Natives are not anti-science, they have treaty rights to that mountain to practice and preserve their culture. They're saying built it somewhere else!
@earthprotected1157
@earthprotected1157 5 жыл бұрын
Aloha. All the islands of Hawaii are sacred, every square inch. Every step you take is on sacred land so be careful an respect what’s your an not yours. This whole earth is sacred. With that mind frame now we can all respect each other’s space . Aloha
@Samartitxiki
@Samartitxiki 3 жыл бұрын
What makes something sacred?
@Shadow0fd3ath24
@Shadow0fd3ath24 2 жыл бұрын
NO its not. Its just land.
@lovely-mk4rt
@lovely-mk4rt 4 жыл бұрын
This is a complex issue. The desecration of Hawaiian culture, lands, wildlife, air and especially our pristine water are rivals with the corporate American way of life ( which is failing, btw) is what is included in OUR preservation of the Hawaiian resistance of TMT. Not science not progress but preserving our culture and respect of land and people 🕊.
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
So how is the TMT threatening any of this?
@mikeNM08
@mikeNM08 4 жыл бұрын
@@sunnysied713 So how is not having Mauna Kai the end of science?
@user-ix9ol7pq5k
@user-ix9ol7pq5k 4 жыл бұрын
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein.
@areuaware6842
@areuaware6842 5 жыл бұрын
The acting government needs to return what they have stolen! Ho'oponopono!
@areuaware6842
@areuaware6842 5 жыл бұрын
@@navysealblackwater , The USA is dying so it's only a matter of time.
@almareyes2192
@almareyes2192 5 жыл бұрын
@@navysealblackwater you're gonna burn in hell.
@Sumo-san
@Sumo-san 5 жыл бұрын
areUaware the USA is the only reason the Hawaiians are still alive. Tribal wars would have killed the majority off a long time ago. A small population would be stuck in the stone ages. You would really prefer that? You’re taking your privilege for granted.
@almareyes2192
@almareyes2192 5 жыл бұрын
@@Sumo-san they shouldn't have to even have a privilege that is their land America needs to stop putting their nose everywhere.
@Sumo-san
@Sumo-san 5 жыл бұрын
Alma Reyes what do African Americans or immigration centers have to do with this? Ridiculous that you’ve even brought that up. You do realize that immigration centers and racism exists all over the world? And it’s LEGALLY not “their” land. The kingdom of Hawaii actively sought annexation and they got it. Be mad at the Kingdom, not the United States. And you proved my point about us in the USA being privileged. The fact that so many people risk so much to get here, proves that. You are overlooking the things you’ve been given because a minority experiences some struggles. Which is commonplace nowadays. Get over yourselves. What good have you actually done with your privilege? Nothing. At all. Virtue signaling at its finest. Laws are laws.
@moonpienergy7261
@moonpienergy7261 4 жыл бұрын
3:20 “asking a fundamental question of where we come from” Sir idk who you think has the same beliefs as people who have a religion that has the foundations of a history telling them where they come from, you scientists need so much information to believe a part of you and it’s not a sacrifice your making but sacral land that is not part of your culture. Very disturbing to be so self centered.
@Lidia_Es
@Lidia_Es 3 жыл бұрын
Religion is fake science is real so
@Nocraza_Kram
@Nocraza_Kram 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone else see the thumbnail and be like "Is that Jason Momoa". Lol
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 4 жыл бұрын
It is him. Another brainless moron, who has fuelled this fire of disinformation and false data.
@Thomas_Oklahoma
@Thomas_Oklahoma 4 жыл бұрын
@@djstrongarmgmail It's not the end of science you moron
@JokerL1000
@JokerL1000 5 жыл бұрын
People have to remember that hawaii is basically an occupied nation.
@artao5
@artao5 5 жыл бұрын
Oh FFS. No it's not
@FoxFire1281
@FoxFire1281 5 жыл бұрын
No...no it is not.
@INSANEinDAmemBRAIN1
@INSANEinDAmemBRAIN1 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely true. To all the ignorant fools who believe Hawaii is the 50th State of the Union, please verify by posting and official certified copy of the Treaty of Annexation that allegedly occurred in 1898. Post here👇 I dare you. 😎
@INSANEinDAmemBRAIN1
@INSANEinDAmemBRAIN1 5 жыл бұрын
Show me the law where a country can use a “joint resolution” to annex a foreign country that is not within its borders. Post law here👇 or stfu.
@cameron320
@cameron320 5 жыл бұрын
@@INSANEinDAmemBRAIN1 There is none White people steal everything it's in there Genes Free Hawaii Free Puerto Rico
@b1sayan
@b1sayan 4 жыл бұрын
Respect all cultures.
@jasondaniel918
@jasondaniel918 5 жыл бұрын
I am all in favor of science. But, too frequently, science is used as a club to justify outrages. I agree with the Hawaiians on this one! Science is intended to serve humankind, not visa versa. Preserve Mauna Kea for the Hawaiians.
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 5 жыл бұрын
TMT will serve humankind with it's unique purpose. How beneficial astronomy is at the moment, you can throw in the air, but dont write it off at an early stage where we're only discovering at this point and in the future, practical implications can be made.
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 5 жыл бұрын
Sadly you've drank the kool aid and have this one backwards. Theres a lot of emotion involved because it's people beliefs, that they got from their parents. This kind of superstition happens in all religious denominations. This is merely racist, nationalistic people (who are the moral minority) who see this as a win for their proposed "sovereignty." They are attacking the weakest link in their list of targets. Where were these people when the last telescopes were built? Where were they when the plans for the latest string of foreign owned hotels went up? Sitting on their couches eating too much sugar...not giving a fuck because they know they can't bully people with money/power.
@KamenRider808
@KamenRider808 2 жыл бұрын
@@djstrongarmgmail Thats what you think, alot of Hawaiians have fought ALL construction of hotels and even the telescopes
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 2 жыл бұрын
@@KamenRider808 Hotels are one thing. Foreign investors raping the landscape and pocketing the funds. Telescopes and other scientific endeavors are much different. The only people fighting against the telescope are ignorant, uneducated, idiots who bought the lies and believed the numerous false narratives set forth by the deceitful and often times extremely racist people who sold them.
@davidyolchuyev2905
@davidyolchuyev2905 8 ай бұрын
I support the scientists. These are the typical examples of the faith vs. science. It happened in the past in Europe, Asia, and it’s happening now. It is more important to find out if we are alone in this planet than feelings of a handful number of people.
@OperationHawaiiana
@OperationHawaiiana 7 ай бұрын
bro, you did not educate yourself before wrighting thing. it isn't religion vs science. it's culture vs desecration. we support what the telescope can do, but not how it would be built. looking at a religious view though (not really religious but simply kapu) the top of the mountain is seen as wao akua. or the realm of god. only the high chiefs and priest could enter that part of the moutain. the mountain itself is home to life that can be found no where else in the world, no where else in hawai'i and no where else on the big island. EVERY TELESCOPE HAS BEEN SAID to be the last one...and now they want a bigger one. 60 yeeears they have done this. there was also a mercury spill which had to be cleaned up as well as 13 tons of trash cleaned up by a native hawaiian group (I forgot which one) and the serria club. the bones of our chiefs...ARE BURIED THERE. with the construction of the other telescopes...BONES HAVE BEEN FORCIBLY REMOVED. and what happened to them? we don't know.... the bones of a chief is the most sacred in hawai'i. burials are forbidden to disturb under Hawai'i law...and yet why are they doing it in mauna kea. it's not right. the US government in response to the apology resolution made it so that hawaiians have the right to protect our culture and identy and knowledge. this is what we are trying to do. even then, you don't need to be religious to pray on the mountain. you don't need to follow the kapu of our elders to pray and offer to the mountain. a large amount of protectors are christians or have no religion. this isn't religion vs science, or culture vs science. this is the kanaka maoli identity fighting desecration. mahalo for reading and understanding what we are fighting for
@MzClementine
@MzClementine 4 жыл бұрын
What harm does this bring?
@sourfeet4676
@sourfeet4676 4 жыл бұрын
13 telescopes already up there. Where were you one the first one?
@greenshereen
@greenshereen 5 жыл бұрын
Perspective is really simple: put a huge structure OF ANY SORT right on the front lawn of the house of every supporter of the TMT project. Tell them you’re doing it for the benefit of mankind in being able to see into the universe. See how that goes over. Oh and then arrest them for protesting it! What makes Hawai’i beautiful is it’s unspoiled spaces. No one comes to Hawaii to soak in the buildings and modern technology! What makes Hawaii’s people beautiful is they don’t separate themselves from nature and to a great extent each other. It is felt the moment you step off the plane. By people from all over the world. Can you say the same for many places on earth???????? I’m what you would consider a “local.” My blood is Japanese. I am a third generation immigrant here. Growing up here I have experienced both the unguided anger towards non-Hawaiians BUT I have felt SO MUCH MORE aloha and connection to my other local Hawaiian and non-Hawaiian island people that has made it hard for me to want to leave. I do love the world and other cultures, but Hawai’i is special.
@Name-tj7iz
@Name-tj7iz 5 жыл бұрын
You know, in ancient past you would be considered blood, hanai, maoli. You still embody what it is to be Hawaiian. Being maoli was a nationality as well as an ethnicity-today I think we are all just trying to be a unified global citizen. So many foreigners learned the ancient ways and have passed that down throughout the times, you are one of those, you’re more than local. To me you are maoli and one day the consensus will recognize that again.
@greenshereen
@greenshereen 5 жыл бұрын
Kintanti A Aww! I feel your aloha! I loved my kupuna however little time I got to spend with them. Their presence has stayed with me and will always be therefor me and all those whose hearts are open. Yes I feel Hawaiian but I think it’s important to point out my Japanese ancestry because I’ve read a lot of negative comments from people who are not Hawaiian that might assume that you have to be of Hawaiian blood to be accepted here. So thank you for raising awareness on that point as well! I tell all my friends from the mainland that the most important thing to a local person here is the ability to know and feel your heart. If it is not clear what your heart intentions are then you cannot expect local people to warmly embrace you.
@Name-tj7iz
@Name-tj7iz 5 жыл бұрын
greenshereen Thank you very much for educating people and putting the words out there clearly and eloquently.
@greenshereen
@greenshereen 5 жыл бұрын
Kintanti A has anyone ever done aloha on TED. There’s something worth spreading!
@NadDew
@NadDew 5 жыл бұрын
What aloha mean? i always thought of it as a Hawaiian way to say hi😅
@kjames1414
@kjames1414 Жыл бұрын
I'm Navajo, when my mom comes to Mauna Kea. We do our prayer to. We as native Americans find that our teachings are well.
@primobenavides4741
@primobenavides4741 4 жыл бұрын
I support the protectors. Why is it necessary to build a new observatory? There are 13 observatory sites already built on Mauna Kea. UC Berkeley closed their observatory a couple years ago leaving 12 operational observatories. Why not just convert/modify the UC Berkeley closed observatory to a 30 meter telescope? Respectfully, BT Out!
@monke6654
@monke6654 2 жыл бұрын
Hawaii just shouldn't be a part of the US. It should be a independent country
@axa3687
@axa3687 2 жыл бұрын
@@monke6654 and China would've just taken it by force. Better US than China.
@josephinetracy1485
@josephinetracy1485 2 жыл бұрын
There's already the Hubble telescope up in space
@raquelk.2960
@raquelk.2960 5 жыл бұрын
❤️💛ALOHA AINA 💛❤️
@mg1881
@mg1881 5 жыл бұрын
No disrespect intended to Native Hawai'ians and their culture and religion, but, personally, I would consider it an honor to have one of my ancestral sacred places used for TMT, which will provide knowledge of the universe to all mankind.
@kimokepano2823
@kimokepano2823 5 жыл бұрын
And what would your ancestral sacred place be? I know you mean no disrespect to Native Hawaiians, but to build on sacred seeded land is the epitome of disrespect.
@bulamoves2987
@bulamoves2987 5 жыл бұрын
To each his own. In our culture, that is unacceptable. We love our land and we believe we are not put on this earth to destroy it
@bruhinthewild
@bruhinthewild 5 жыл бұрын
There are already about 12. Almost 30 years ago it was agreed that only a few would be built on Mauna kea. Keep in mind Mauna kea is also home to native species that are endangered and it's a source for water. Also, the building of anymore telescopes is illegal. Basically, the guys who are leasing it don't have a legal right to do so. There's more going on here than you think.
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@@bulamoves2987 Building a telescope on top of a mountain/volcano is a very natural relationship between nature and science. It's not desecration. The land is being used properly and respectfully. They're not building a Costco, McDonald's, strip club or mega-mansion up there. Mauna Kea has many special environmental, climatological, atmospheric and social infrastructure properties that make it the best site for astronomy in the northern hemisphere. They're using the aina for a perfectly good reason and don't want to steal or desecrate any wahi pana. Sure, they're excavating a 20 foot deep foundation for the observatories pier structure. They're going to save all the excavated rock material in a special location and later use it to restore the site back to it's natural condition when the observatory is decommissioned. Based on exhaustive surveys, they verified that the build site had no sacred cultural heritage artifacts (no heiau, ahu, iwi, etc). Also, during the excavation phase, they will have an archaeologist there (just in case) to ensure no historical data gets lost (if it even exists). They're building the TMT on an ancient lava rock plain. They made the plan very pono. The kia'i should be working together with the astronomers to offer pule and mele to avoid any spiritual offense.
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@@bruhinthewild The TMT permit has special conditions SC10 and SC11 that legally require the telescopes to be decommissioned. That agreement is legally binding and actionable. Also, they are promising to remove 3 telescopes very quickly. It will take 8-10 years to construct TMT. Those three telescopes will be gone by the time TMT sees first light. The TMT has a legal conservation district use permit that has been affirmed by the Supreme Court of Hawaii. The telescope is being constructed at 13,200 ft where it's cold, windy, has 40% less oxygen and air pressure, increased atmospheric radiation AND it's an alpine desert. The only flora and fauna that live up their are algae, moss and lichen (all ubiquitous) and some endemic bugs, which aren't endangered. The rest of the wildlife gives up after 10,000 ft.
@rachelnan6875
@rachelnan6875 3 жыл бұрын
Who's to say who's "native Hawaiian? I see a lot of Caucasian and chinese/Filipino mixed...and we all know filipinos aren't native to the Philippines
@drabberfrog
@drabberfrog Жыл бұрын
I hope they build the telescope. We can't let religious fanatics stop science.
@ElseAndrecool
@ElseAndrecool Жыл бұрын
haole
@drabberfrog
@drabberfrog Жыл бұрын
@@ElseAndrecool I don't see why Hawaiian religion should stand in the way of actual scientific progress. I watched Moana, it seems like Polynesian people care about the stars based of that, why would you be against a machine that could see farther than any human eye ever could? I recon that your ansestors climbed Mauna Kea for a better vantage point to look up at the stars, we are not enemies but friends and with your support, a machine with the capability of seeing what no one has seen before can gaze upon the beauty of the universe.
@OperationHawaiiana
@OperationHawaiiana Жыл бұрын
@@drabberfrog the thing is this. it isn't just culture VS science, it is way more then that. they dug out the bones of our high chiefs to build two of their telescope. how would you feel if someone when to the queens burial and said we are going to build a telescope cause this the perfect location. in fact what if they dug up the bones of the fallen soldiers for something like that, wouldn't you be offended. also, building on the mountain breaks 2 laws, one form hawaii and one in the US due to the apology resolution. geologically that mountain is the island of Hawaii's main water source. and the main source to keep the telescope cool because of the amount of heat it will generate is the mountains water. if that happens the entire life chain down the mountain dies. also do not forget that there are plants and animals hat can only be found on that mountain and that mountain only. stop looking at this from one side angle, look at the other angles too before you make your statement
@gad63511
@gad63511 4 жыл бұрын
nobody owns land. it's an agreed upon fiction
@johnnguyen6607
@johnnguyen6607 4 жыл бұрын
Grant Diamond you don’t have a right to live. That is an agreed upon fiction
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnnguyen6607 Spoken like a true ali'i. Please don't let your shadow touch me. I want to live. Please don't rain kapu down on me.
@Thomas_Oklahoma
@Thomas_Oklahoma 4 жыл бұрын
@@sunnysied713 Still mocking the Natives I see. You have no credibility left.
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@@Thomas_Oklahoma How is this mocking the kanaka? Kapu was horrible and oppressive. The ali'i proclaimed that they were descendants of the akua and they used kapu to impose a strict fedual caste system - where the few ruled over the many based purely on genealogy. Yay??? Breaking kapu was punishable with death. If the shadow of a maka'ainana were to touch an ali'i, they could get killed on the spot. Before Cap'n Cook visited these islands, the maka'ainana were already growing tired of this oppression. Prophets even predicted the downfall of kapu and the ali'i class. Thank God! You'd have to catch me and drag me kickin n screamin before I go back to old skool kapu. Nope, not gonna happen, brah. Funny, the other guy told somebody that they don't have the right to live and you just walked right past it. Pro-Ali'i, are you? 😅
@Lea_Kaderova
@Lea_Kaderova 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome to build TMT for example on Caucasus mountains. There would be no religion/cultural problems, there are many suitable locations and already working RAN telescopes.
@mimicku5256
@mimicku5256 2 жыл бұрын
Mauna Kea is the best site in the northern hemisphere, based on geology, climate, infrastructure, etc.
@Lea_Kaderova
@Lea_Kaderova 2 жыл бұрын
@@mimicku5256 Yes but if locals dont want it on their sacred land, its not best place.
@mimicku5256
@mimicku5256 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lea_Kaderova There's a small group of radical protesters who are using the TMT to advance their independence politics. Hawaii surveyed the public, multiple times, and most locals want the science project. The TMT is being constructed one mile away from the sacred summit. Also, it's a large shield volcano with lots of open space. There isn't a good reason to oppose a telescope, which is a tool of learning.
@Lea_Kaderova
@Lea_Kaderova 2 жыл бұрын
@@mimicku5256 Ok but still, ethicaly clean solution to me would be organized some public debate about that and then organized referendum about TMT. I personaly wouldnt have a problem with TMT if I would live there, but its their land and they should have right to reject or accept that project and not that somebody, somewhere 7000 km away make decision without public consent of Hawaians, especially not after 12 or how much other telescopes already built there also without their consent and in situation when its obviously sensitive topic for native Hawaians.
@leliu5thelement448
@leliu5thelement448 4 жыл бұрын
If this mountain is sacred what about the other mountains? Haleakala, Hualalai, Mauna Loa? People have built things there but no protest. If Mauna Kea is sacred land then how did the roads up there get built, How did the other Telescopes get built without Protests??? I want a defined answer that makes sense.
@GearZNet
@GearZNet 4 жыл бұрын
All that you’re typing doesn’t matter. Go build it on the remains of Norte Dame or Stonehenge. Leave other peoples culturally significant lands alone.
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@@GearZNet Of course it matters. Mauna Kea is a natural geologic formation, not a man-made structure. Huge difference. The Hawaiian Volcanic Observatory was built on the outer rim of the Kilauea Caldera, a sacred volcano and physical manifestation of Pele. The protesters are very hypocritical. I guess they don't want to die a fiery lava death.
@denisehicks7525
@denisehicks7525 5 жыл бұрын
13 telescopes have been put up already. Enough is enough. What about recycle. What about upgrade. What about remodeling one that is already there. Just one more was a lie. Leave their mountain be. Respect there wishes. Where is the honor and respect for the land. Where is the respect for the people that say no more. When is it going to stop. The people should have the last say. Go build on your own land. In your own backyard. Kenike
@ventsyv
@ventsyv 5 жыл бұрын
They are removing 3 telescopes to build TMT. Another 2 will be decommissioned in the mid 2020s. The problem is you can "upgrade" telescopes. It's like updating a Toyota Camry to be a tractor-trailer - it just doesn't make sense.
@kittyscat8905
@kittyscat8905 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe take down an old telescope and replace it with the new one. I dont know
@teet3571
@teet3571 4 жыл бұрын
Kittys cat Maybe they should build it on top of your house 🏡
@BradleyInKona
@BradleyInKona 4 жыл бұрын
The deal made is to remove FIVE existing telescopes before TMT construction is complete. 2 are in the process of decommissioning now.
@davidspodek6362
@davidspodek6362 5 жыл бұрын
I really hope that they can come to some sort of agreement, and quickly. Respecting a people's heritage is most important, but so is the knowledge and understanding that comes from the science being conducted in that very unique place. It is the greatest location for celestial observations on Earth. It is also the Hawaiian people's holy ground.
@UwU-lm9or
@UwU-lm9or 5 жыл бұрын
@Dr Moriarty also you too please consort and find sources and understand what hawaiians are trying to do here as well look at both sides
@miguellugo9816
@miguellugo9816 5 жыл бұрын
So let me ask this question when do the actions justify the means. I love science and promoting discovery that’s the way of evolution but if we sacrifice our heritage and the core foundation that make us people who will be in the end. Answer me that We took Native American lands from the native Americans now from natives of Hawaii where does it end?. How long will we keep saying in the name of science when really it’s all for selfishness and greed an money an power. I ask you this find a way to build this monster and disgusting thing that doesn’t compromise the natives of Hawaii or their cultures.
@The.Adept.Chamber
@The.Adept.Chamber 5 жыл бұрын
@Dr Moriarty To be clear: According to National and International law, Government's oath is to act according to the rule of law; and protection of the people's rights. Human rights violations are war crimes (in this instance for Mauna Kea); regarding the Native Tennant Rights with the people and sacred lands.
@The.Adept.Chamber
@The.Adept.Chamber 5 жыл бұрын
@@miguellugo9816 To be clear: 1. The Theory of "Evolution (as proposed in Charles Darwin's book: 'On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of the Favored Races in the Struggle for Life')" is the Racism/White supremacy ideology (and the theory is false). 2. French biologist Louis Pasteur began exposing the Theory of Evolution to be false several years after the publication of Darwin's book. 3. The Theory of Evolution has no Formula (characteristic of theories without substance in fact, truth or law). 4. There is no gene in the entire genome spectrum to account for the claim of genetic evolution. 5. There are no facts or evidence to prove or support the claim that organisms change into other organisms of a more complex nature through any "unguided" or random "process". 6. The value placed on the Theory of Evolution has been connected to it's claim (a false claim) that so-called White people are "Evolved" beyond so-called non-White people through the "process of Evolution" (centered around the "stronger" dominating, mistreating or wiping-out the "weaker" etc. including the idea that the more so-called non-White the people, the closer to the "ape-man" etc.). 7. Science means Knowledge. Knowledge is to Observe, Learn and Respect. Observe is to look and listen. Learn is to find facts or find answers. Respect is to consider or think about the truth.
@miguellugo9816
@miguellugo9816 5 жыл бұрын
Adept so rule of law is trampling on a heritage of a people who are often mistreated and cast aside because they are not a certain color or from a certain place? This is their home their land and yet it’s being taken away from them.
@fawnpires4803
@fawnpires4803 3 жыл бұрын
Protect Maunakea-like the song "We Are A Voice" states, "There's only one earth, and billions of stars!"
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 2 жыл бұрын
And how is the TMT an actual danger or threat to Earth? The TMT can be used to help detect and track Earth-killing asteroids. Astronomy helps advance human technology and protect Earth.
@simplifiedman
@simplifiedman 3 жыл бұрын
Build that on Mount Rushmore
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 3 жыл бұрын
There's no comparison between a tiny man-made structure and a giant volcano. Lol
@cryptidcutie164
@cryptidcutie164 5 жыл бұрын
Preferred choice, but it is NOT the preferred choice of the Hawaiian people. It's okay to trample on the sacred because you don't recognize it as such because it's not your belief? It makes it nonetheless sacred. Nonetheless important. Protect the sacred, stop the desecration, and for once have compassion. I stand and will forever stand with Mauna Kea and her protectors.
@KipColeman
@KipColeman 5 жыл бұрын
Beliefs are not important just because you believe then. For example, I believe that you should give me $1,000 right now. Why aren't you respecting my beliefs?
@cryptidcutie164
@cryptidcutie164 5 жыл бұрын
@@KipColeman So religion isn't supposed to be respected? Yet if this was a church everyone would be in an uproar. Belief is belief and it's different from person to person, understandable. Disrespecting a religion because it's not your own? I'm sorry that's not something I can get behind.
@KipColeman
@KipColeman 5 жыл бұрын
@@cryptidcutie164 I'm an Atheist.
@cryptidcutie164
@cryptidcutie164 5 жыл бұрын
@@KipColeman I can respect that. I'm a pagan. In my opinion religion should be respected as much as people who dont believe should be. Not everyone believes in the same thing and that's okay. With that being said you dont bulldoze over what people consider sacred just because you don't believe.
@KipColeman
@KipColeman 5 жыл бұрын
@@cryptidcutie164 it is my sacred belief that you must give me $1000. Please respect my beliefs. They are sacred. ;)
@TwisterChrisable
@TwisterChrisable 5 жыл бұрын
Why not listen to the natives stories, there you will find the origin of life
@djstrongarmgmail
@djstrongarmgmail 5 жыл бұрын
Hogwash. There you'll find superstition and racist hypocrisy.
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@Sea dreams King Kalakaua supported astronomy. He understood the value it provided to the world.
@zonkerr76
@zonkerr76 2 жыл бұрын
The telescope offers the world so much. Relax
@CalinFR
@CalinFR 4 жыл бұрын
Why not remove Keck or Subaru and replace it with TMT? Wouldn't it be the same exact situation as of now?
@sunnysied713
@sunnysied713 4 жыл бұрын
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom The TMT observatory building foundation is only 1.5 acres (which will be at 13,150 ft) and the mid-level facility will be 0.5-0.8 acres at around 9,300 ft in Hale Pohaku, which is about 8 miles away from the summit. The TMT permit is for 8 acres, but that doesn't mean the buildings are that big. Lol. Everything (buildings, roads, parking lot, etc) are included in the permit, but that doesn't even mean the whole 8 acres of land will be _developed_ or _disturbed._ TMT is *tiny* and can easily fit on Maunakea, which is *52,500* acres in size. The Office of Mauna Kea Management, Board of Land and Natural Resources, State and astronomers have agreed to decommission, remove and restore FIVE observatories to nature in EXCHANGE for ONE new one. That's a great compromise!
@ApeExample
@ApeExample 3 жыл бұрын
@@The.Hawaiian.Kingdom oh so you want the earth to die ok ok we respect that!
@kanakaoiwi4108
@kanakaoiwi4108 5 жыл бұрын
Ku Kia’i Mauna ✊🏽
@rhondascott109
@rhondascott109 5 жыл бұрын
stay strong & continue to rise together our unity as one strengthens those standing up many prayers to brothers and sisters
@thatguynexus5935
@thatguynexus5935 3 жыл бұрын
*When you realize your 1% Hawaiian.*
@MrHistory269
@MrHistory269 3 жыл бұрын
Funny I’m 25% Hawaiian yet i look white asf
@Me2if
@Me2if 6 ай бұрын
Why are they building more telescopes in Hawaii where the locals clearly do not want them? Why not replace the destroyed telescope in arasibo Puerto Rico? I live there. Everybody I know would love to see that thing rebuild or replaced
@silvarainbowsparkle
@silvarainbowsparkle 5 жыл бұрын
It’s horrible watching native people fight for what they believe in on their own soil, as outsiders take over, destroy and desecrate the lands. Doesn’t matter when, where, or the specifics. It ends up with the environment being destroyed and all the animals and plants on it getting to die because of it. Humanity is a curse and profits should never have been a thing
@christinemott8799
@christinemott8799 2 жыл бұрын
I agree w you. Perfectly. Like closer to home but the neighbor cut down all of his very tall rose of sharon shrubs bush tree whatever it is. And there were tons of little birdies in the. Shrubbery. I brought them water on the hottest of days. And my dogs enjoyed the birds. My st poo is very gentle and loves much, all animals.but they are all gone now. The nests the baby birds getting ready to fly away. And where did they all go. Idk it makes me so sad. They are tearing down all around where I live for houses .ripping up trees destroying natural ponds. The deer there used to be a lot of deer .but they have no place to live. They starve .idk . Just think.sweet loving thoughts for the New World. Where everything will be in harmony as it should be. And All of the animal s we could imagine. Running free. No one to harm them for eternity. Look I did not have children for this reason! Humanity needs to stop. And I wanted to prove I believe what I say. I'm alone. No family. Just me. Dust to Dust
@demonicruins7413
@demonicruins7413 5 жыл бұрын
Only issue I have with this whole thing is the common use of the term "indigenous". Hawaiians are not an indigenous people. The only and I mean ONLY indigenous people are Africans. Every other people moved/migrated to where they are.
@hwnboy925
@hwnboy925 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks to modern advancements in DNA sequencing the "out of Africa theory" is not true. Some originated there but not all.
@calmdownkid
@calmdownkid 4 жыл бұрын
@@hwnboy925 So...Hawaians are their own race is what you're implying?
@kpadmirer
@kpadmirer 4 жыл бұрын
@@calmdownkid That is basically it.
@hokulaninalani6975
@hokulaninalani6975 4 жыл бұрын
Ending gave me chicken skin!!! Good mana here
@That-one-Italian-guy1
@That-one-Italian-guy1 5 жыл бұрын
They got the only two Hawaiian employees they had didn't they?
@bibinkz
@bibinkz 5 жыл бұрын
all the people who aren’t from Hawai’i don’t know much about our history, you guys don’t learn this in your text books, you guys learn about a man who stole America or the people who took others land, but they don’t say who took Hawaiian lands, how they held a gun to our last king, took OUR queen as prisoner & so so much more.
@newsupnewsdown2467
@newsupnewsdown2467 5 жыл бұрын
Nicely done video. Everyone have good points. Hawaiians brutally fought each other forever until Kahmehameha finally defeated almost all the Islands in 1795. Not that long ago. The remaining two Islands joined him a few years later 1800's. Was it OK for Kamehameha to do what he did? It was bloody ugly burtal. Does that make it right? Albert Einstein said " there will never be peace on earth so long as man is here." Maybe he was right.
@rouskeycarpel1436
@rouskeycarpel1436 4 жыл бұрын
You missed the whole point of the video.Mauna Kea is sacred to the native Hawaiian religion.
@weemissile
@weemissile 2 жыл бұрын
You people really are freaking out about a few telescopes? I understand being mad about the decimation of your native ecosystem and race, but a couple telescopes on a mountain? Really?
@sunnylilme
@sunnylilme 5 жыл бұрын
Im on the big island. A lot of this is about race. Try to be a white kid in school here.."Wanna scrap haole?" Unclear my position on this. But there is a helluva lot of racism here.
@candleankle1805
@candleankle1805 5 жыл бұрын
If you think these natives stand a chance, hate to break it to you , but they won’t be stopping anything from being built. At least these are actual Hawaiians and not the “Hawaiians” that moved to the island in the 1970s
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