The worst part of being a jungler, is that your lanes expect you to get stuff done, bot don't rotate to dragon, they farm is too important, oh you lost lane alone, well it's my fault that I didn't gank, I'm being invaded, well sucks for me because nobody is coming

Playing Jungle in League is like playing another game

My favourite is when Broxah, a literal pro player got flamed in bronze for being a dogshit jungler.

playing jungle like being on a basketball team and having you worry about your teammates swatting the ball out of your hand too.

"With the new jungle items almost any champion that is not support can play jungle" - Jungle Blitzcrank running at you at mach jesus

Ah yes Jungle, a role where you could be 13/0 and have the most damage, yet your team will still vote to ff and say JG diff cause they kept fighting unnecessarily.

Playing jungle is just psychological pressure. Regardless of whether you are winning or loosing, your teammates usually blame jungle for most mistakes. You might gank their lane, but if you take a kill, you will get spammed with pings. You have an unsuccessful gank, pings. You are taking a camp and a laner dies, pings. I feel like you have play to 4 others players needs "perfectly", which is downright impossible, making the game nothing but agony. It is a very important role, but you need to be very patient to play it as I think most players are only considering themselves rather than the general state of the game, making you the direct target to blame for anyone's mistakes

What I dislike as a jg main is that if you aren't one of Riots selected 5 champions for the season you will always be weaker than the power picks they want for the meta. Furthermore, I dislike when they make a champion strong for a patch just to nerf them worse then they were before. I wish riot would have a more consistent jg experience.

“It is not my job to win lanes for you.” is a sentiment I have said and stand by. I can help lanes, but I have to win my lane too, I can’t hold your hand the entire game because you can’t manage waves or take good trades. Learn your lane before you come for mine.

best mechanic i learned as a jg player is /mute all

Unfortunately, people don't know that junglers need to farm, they expect junglers to have 10 cs per minute by standing still near all 3 lanes, while they play under the enrmy tower, so when they mess up, the jungler can score a pentakill every 5 minutes

As a support jungle main , I feel like I'm playing chess and I got 4 backseat players. One actually touching my pieces

"The jaded jungle veteran" is a trope in the League community for a reason. When you have 4/5 of the roles constantly breathing down your neck 24/7 it's hard not to get pissy sometimes.

With great power comes great responsibility, and being responsible for disabled narcissists is never fun as they are the definition of fair weather friends.

That Baus viewer joke gave me a good giggle

jungle has to be the role where even if you do your job correctly, your team still finds a way to blame you

Dear jungle mains and support mains, I truly deeply and sincerely appreciate you and your time, essentially holding the blame and pain from the rest of the team. I’m sorry you have to carry such a burden, but just know that it isn’t without respect. Thank you for all your help and everything you do. Throwing no shade to other lanes as I’m a top lane main. We have our own pieces to the puzzle but I believe those two roles are the most pivotal. Love to everyone Sincerely, Top Laner

* every single lane push to tower, every single lane fed, "no ganks, jungle dif"

"I don't want to play jungle, I want to play League of Legends" - (Ha)shinshin after getting autofilled jungle

I became a jungle one trick, because I hate geting auto fulled.

As a jungle main, my hot take is that jungle isn't as impactful early game as people think. I've camped lanes and helped lanes immensely and they still manage to blow that lead. Then blame me anyways.

Fill main here. Lately i'm 80% jungle 19% adc

Jungle is the opposite of ADC Each role has an amount of game knowledge and champion knowledge, ADC require champion knowledge while jungle needs a lot of game knowledge, you need to know the optimal clear spawn timer when to invade when to gank when to counter gank and know the WAVE STATE AND LANE STATE of of solo laners does my toplaner need help pushing do i need to cover for my midlaner so he won't get dived etc, support is like that but far less taxing mentaly, as jungler you have to keep track of the whole game wich is a lot

Playing jungle makes me feel like whatever i do is my fault, which is true but it just makes me feel sad, until i play Master yi, then people think im smurfing

I think another thing that burns my britches about jungling is the xp (or lack there of). I started playing on the mid to end of season 12 and at the time I hated but now looking back at it I enjoy how unforgiving it was but everything was worth more. I spent countless hours trying to perfect double camping and speed clears only for them to implement that stupid no double camping mechanic and removed heal off smite in S13.

the worst part (imo) is this: when your laners overextend / dont ward / don't play around jungle timings and then die in a gank, the blame is on you, although you had ZERO to do with that. Your laner created the opportunity and the enemy jungle took advantage of that, but you are still the one to blame somehow. So instead of being measured by the opportunitys you took vs. missed, you get measured by the opportunitys the enemy jungler took, which you (again) have nearly zero control over... thats the reason i play support now. If my adc ints a fight he more often than not has the decency to not blame his support, while this self-awareness is not present at all in laner to jungler relationships, at least that's what it feels like.

Jungle is a speed game, a lot of times a jungle wins, whoever has the tools to clear the objectives faster. And that can be overwhelming if you are in the wrong place in the wrong time. Example a Shaco starting grubs, while a Warwick is ganking the mid has to think is is worth the effort to risk it, knowing you don't have the speed to even get to the fight, or continuing with the farming

The worst part of being a jungler is getting reported and subsequently restricted because you didn't gank an Olaf that was hugging the enemy tower when dragon was up

Jungle is also the role that has evolved most and most frequently. A season four jungler looks around now and questions wtf different dragons do, the point of grubs and where is the wraith or elder lizard. This season we have three different barons. You can pilot the herald. Exploding plants? Its wild. Support is basically the same since season 3 by comparison.

jungle also has the issue that riot keeps reworking the jungle on a fundamental level like every year making it way harder to learn since it changes all the time

I would say support in a few seasons ago was much like jungle: they are expected to protect the adc, roam, get vision, somehow win fights/save people, match enemy support and so on - Junglers now have more expectations because, unlike supports, they get an "easier" way to items, is not tied to a teammate, needs to appear for neutral objectives because smite, have less vision yet need to respond to enemy jungler - all of which makes it kinda rng if you play early game lee sin and others, and frustrating for the other 4 members if you want to power farm like yi or kindred

The comment you made about not being able to autopilot is so real. I can’t even listen to music when I jungle I feel like I have to use 100% of my brain to be competitive. Overcoming this took me a while to master but there’s so many micro decisions you have to make every game it’s insane.

The most annoying part about the role by far is your team thinking you can do everything yourself. The amount of times i tell someone I can't gank them because they don't even try to clear vision or buy a single control ward drives me insane. I need help setting up an objective? Sorry mid laner needed that extra caster minion instead of helping me with the 2v1 in river. Dragon is up but bot did not even set up a single ward for it? Guess its my fault for not placing 10 control wards before hand

My friends insist jungle would be perfect for me because there "would be no lane opponent." (I complain about champ design often.) Yeah, man. Let me play the role where my opponent tracks me like a UAV while I constantly get indecisive about what to do because the role is open-ended as hell. That definitely won't lead to frustration.

Before i watch the video: i actually used to main adc before i recognized that my micro is probably too bad for it and switched to jungle for more macro-oriented play. And it feels far better to be honest than 0/10 before the laning phase even ends. I still have my bad games, but i also feel finally useful. I have time to think about my next play and just in general i like having some time free from the enemy. I feel like i plan, like i strategize, and It's just way more enjoyable for me personally. The wildcard aspect is also very interesting because jungle can basically be any kind of champ, which is good for counterpicking. Winning the game before it even starts is so satisfying. Edit: It might be the most mentally exhausting role in the game, but this only counts for macro-mental. Micro-mental is also very exhausting and depending on the player even worse than Macro, so there is a niche market for more macro thinking players.

I mained jg last season but now sup with jg secondary. The main issue i have with jg is mental fatigue. Those games where your top laner dies 3 times before you even get the raptors. Those games where your team flames you for not ganking a monster of their own creation. Having to know what timings are coming up, tracking where everyone is, and so much more is so mentally exhausting

Jungle being the most versatile role is also a double edged word. You can’t one trick the jungle, you have to be the composition completer. If there’s no tank you have to play the tank, no assassin you have to play the assassin, no magic damage you have to play magic damage (that last one feels like it’s the most common). This is why I feel like riot needs to make the other roles more diverse especially adc, to increase there impact and not make the jungle solely in charge of covering the weaknesses of the team

the times i have used that sentence “It is not my job to win lanes for you" people expect the jungler to to solo their fed laner for fun while being underleveled and no items to speak off

I used to be a jungle main because laning felt boring. But after a while as I got better at the game and started fighting better players I realized I wasn't... Good enough to jungle well. It's very stressful, and there's a lot of things you need to keep track of. It's still my secondary role and I'm not bad at it, but Imma be real top is just way easier.

as a jungle main. I think the best thing you can ever do is mute all. No matter what you will do unfortunately people will flame, but it comes with the role. If you mute all you can keep your head in the game and make decisions from your own knowledge that you can then iterate on as you learn right and wrong. If you have pings and comments on you never will know if you are making good or bad plays because its all influenced by your teams pings, you need to establish a good internal thermometer on what is a good and bad play.

Jungle is the role with the most impact in the game, but at the same time it’s the most impacted one by the other roles.

The worst part about being a jungle main is the fact that if you don't go 13/0 in the first 30 seconds of the game, you fall behind. There was a video I watched of a high elo jungle player where he went 4/1 10 minutes in and he had completed 1 and 1/2 items. Meanwhile, his 0/4 Ashe ADC had the same farm as the jungle and the same item progression. The fact that jungle can farm perfectly, get kills in lanes, put their laners in a winning position, get objectives, etc. Yet a losing lane can still keep up in gold by just having equal farm. Jungle camps don't give enough gold

The scapegoat role !

As a full time jungle main, this video tells me everything I've been saying for years. But, at the same time, it will never educate the masses because they're not mature enough to be able to take partial blame in a team game.

Nobody wants to play jungle because it’s not nearly as strong as people think it is if you play carry champs. You can be farming camps off spawn, 4 kills, 2 objectives, and enemy top laner 0/0/0 is up 3 levels on you and you cannot interact with them without your team helping you. Not to mention enemy jg will only be down 1 level on you because catch up EXP ruined the role. If this kind of lead happened in top lane game is 99% over…you’re up 3 levels and 5 plates on the entire lobby and you can probably 1v3. If you don’t have mid prio the game is unplayable, if enemy support actually leaves lane game is unplayable, there is straight up less CS available to get in the jungle, camp EXP is way lower than wave EXP, getting ganked is your own fault 90% of the time, gank timers can be known most laners just do whatever with their waves don’t ward and get mad if they get punished, you get out scaled by solo lane and ADC if they have peel, your summoner spell deals 20 damage when laners get TELEPORT which just erases mistakes or gives huge advantages late game and EXHAUST and GHOST, laners afk in fountain and under tower 9/10 games and ruin the early game and expose you to huge risk as a jungler…you mentioned it too but laners have so much brain rot on objective fights. We can be up 15k gold and my team will still try to flip baron when enemy jungler is alive and contesting. If you’re way stronger you don’t give the losing team a 50/50 opportunity. But no all my jungle expertsteammates who don’t play the role disagree and try to burst it as soon as enemy jg jumps in the pit…when we don’t even need to hit it… There’s plenty of real weaknesses to jungle but nobody can’t acknowledge it. People still die to shyvana ganks at 3:30 and get shocked. It’s just jungle is OP, I have no lane fundamentals or concept of how the jungle works, phreak pls nerf brain rot from the community EDIT: Bel’veth is disgusting broken, utility slave junglers are also broken but they need to be tuned instead of removing power from the role

I love it when i'm still doing my first clear in the jungle and i already get flamed because one of the lanes died because they took a bad fight early.

Jungle truly is at the very least somewhat luck based. You can play one game, win, play a next game, same champs, same pathing, same strategy and still end up losing

8:20 me trying to find a job, I need experience for a job, but I need a job to get experience.

In my experience, a lot of laners don't actually respect the jungler's decisions or understand why they may not do something even if given the chance. For example. Laning versus Darius or Illaoi, the jungler may not feel comfortable ganking them, yet players will spam ping them and request they gank them even at a disadvantage to the jungler because of the potential of a 2 v 1 when they can just keep farming. They therefore begin to flame their jungler when they don't take the option of simply ganking them. They fail to notice alternative routes like requesting the jungler absorb their wave instead while they back or perhaps the jungler is needed elsewhere and when they butthead with the junglers, they may start just ignoring each other entirely.

One of the problems with jungle is it changes all the time

Nobody wishes to play jungle for the same reason we all play league of legends: avoiding responsibilities.

People think that Jng players are Magicians who can be everywhere at any time .

another huge problem i feel like i see as a jng main is the sheer ammount of people that act like they could play jng so much better then you yet these same people dodge if they get filled jng because there scared of the pressure that comes with the role.

jungler is like playing a chess but share your turns with AI and AI plays 5 turns and you play 6th turn. you decide what you sacrifice and call for objectives by being at objectives, but you can only decide so much as other 4 players got their own ideas too. you sacrifice other pieces sometimes and position others to winning position.

As a Support main who has branched out to learn every role: Jungle struggles from being the most impactful role in the entire game. If we had 2-1-2 instead of a Jungle, I feel the game wouldn't feel nearly as bad because you lack the one person who is expected to get objectives to progress the game while ganking lanes to push your laners ahead. Jungle has tons of things it HAS to do in order to impact the game, so it's not at all surprising how hated it is. Both from being ganked and not being ganked.

i loved jungle until season 6. then the fact that i had to tear everything up every year and re learn how to jungle made me give up league entirely. now im a mid laner and i am so much happier because when the season changes i dont have to learn a new game.

Babysitting 4 people and trying to be a people pleaser so they don’t decide to run it down, while power farming will keep you 2 levels down on the toplaner

I avoid it because the role feels too complicated. One wrong movie and everyone on my team acts like I kicked them.

Great video, really learnes something new. Thank you Talon!

I used to main jungle in the early days of LoL and it was great, the game was slower and the jungle made your champions design matter. Nowdays you need to play like a hyperactive squirrel after 3 cans of redbull and in the end you're still depending on the rest of your team to even play past the earlygame. Riot also doesn't mind flat out adding/removing champions from jungle as they did with Rell recently. Also, my old jungle champs got turned into something else (Aatrox/WW) and others feel like they can't keep up with league of dashes (Nasus/Fiddle).

Jungle is the most abused, but support is the most under appreciated role. Can’t wait to see your video on supports. RIP Rell jungle

Jg: 23/1/3 Solo 3 dragons, get 2 barons. Adc: 0/40/0, 2 cs, fighting 1v5. Team: Lost. Also team: Jg diff

In my experience of being a jungle main since I started playing in season 11, the main issue is the role being so important and versatile, to a point where only a jungler can understand what you have to do, therefore you can make every single right decision in your game and still be flamed by your laners because from their POV you were never here when they needed to Also, toxicity need to be adressed, I can play horribly midlane being 0/5/0 at 8 minutes but it's okay if I play a scaling champ, I won't be verbally harassed by the team before having the "Defeat" appear on the screen, meanwhile a jungler can have his whole family tree COOKED from the 3rd minute because the laners didn't respect the gank timing and the enemy snowballed from here

If you’re playing jungle, prepare for the mental breakdown of multiple people, even if youre 20/5 and have gotten all important obj, the moment one of them die to a simple gank they will flame you to high heavens *man i love league*

I used to main jungle but I just got bored that riot changed my rol every single season for no reason

How many people want dragon / void grubs / rift herald? How many people want to leave their lane to help secure the objective?

I was the one typing jg diff until I picked it up, got dog walked for a while, but it showed me map awareness, and usually when I'm losing lane its almost always my fault. Jg diff stills get thrown out every once in a while.

I really don't understand the colossal expectations that are being placed on Jungler's. They have to gank you, secure objectives, order you a pizza, do your dishes, and drop off your kid at daycare. It'd be good if people showed a bit more restrained.

Sometimes I feel like I should get paid a very small amount of RP per month for being a jungle main. You’re welcome, riot lol

Being a jungler is playing the hardest role in the game and the role that requires the most game knowledge, and have every laner go "hurr durr but you have empowered smite, jg easy"

The smite aspect is so damn true... stomping a lane but still being at risk of losing that sides objective cause the jungler wont come is beyond frustrating - I wonder what would happen if smite stopped working on epic monsters ... absolute chaos and Im all for it

Your points on win condition not being determined by the jungler was insightful and I never put it this aptly

2:10 "So that any Champ that isn't a Support..." Let me introduce you to my Leona Jungle. The Champ I got a Quadrakill with, in my first game, while not even beeing a Jungle Player :D

Theres nothing worse than trying to gank a giga pushed up enemy laner, but your team doesn’t help, the enemy gets away, and the person says “bUt My WaVe iS cRaShInG” and then later they say your ganks sucked bc they weren’t ready for them despite pinging. Quick tip to my fellow laners, if you have allowed your opponent to crash a wave while you’re present, killing them is more important than the wave at that point. The entire concept of Baus’ Law is what the opponent loses, not what you gain. If the laner or matchup is that good denying them gold and EXP is more important as a whole for the team than you being terrible at CSing.

There is a reason I only play norms with friends now. Solo queuing as jungle is one of the most unpleasant gaming experiences a person can have

I hate jungle because when someone loses a 1v1 or has to go back because they lost a trade badly, they look at the map to see what I'm doing as opposed to themselves to see how they could've played that better. Then, since I'm not babysitting them, they yell at me in chat. No thanks.

No Views in the first 19 Seconds, bro fell off...

12:00 Amount of Ults that can steal objectives is huge. I stole a lot using Lux or Zyra as supp.

Just wanted to say I love your videos Vars! You're one of my biggest inspirations in video creation, hopefully one day I'll be able to create the same level of quality I see in your videos 💙

And right when I was considering maining jg for the next rank split because of Lee sins ASU and curiosity this video pops up in my notifications thanks Vars

Gotta say i enjoyed the text on screen every now and then. Not sure why, but it was nice.

“Almost any champion that isn’t a support can jungle” Soraka jungle running into my lane to undo all my poke:

What you're saying is true. As a recently turned jungle main, one thing has worked amazingly well - when the game starts, have everyone unmuted because you want the option of communicating. As soon as a teammate starts flaming you for their messups, immediately mute their chat, don't wait for anything. If they spam ping, mute their pings too. You need to focus on gameplay, keep observing the game state and stay objective and in high spirit!

Does autofilling happen at higher or lower frequency in high elo? And is there a role breakdown of autfill % across elos?! Great vid! Love your stuff.

I started jungle this season and I am loving it. I just wish I don't face the same 5 junglers every game.

I’m a support main that gets filled to jungle more often than I get to play support. It’s become my second best role from the constant filling. Jungle is easier than it has ever been before right now, and the more calm you remain the more control you will feel you have over the game. Easier said than done though. You have to have thicker skin to shrug off the senseless insults people will throw at you and tunnel vision on the win.

There is also the expectation that when you're getting pushed in, that the jungler is supposed to relieve the pressure off you so that you can farm and maybe pick up a kill if the enemy laner is on your side before backing or risk losing lead due to plate gold and lost farm.

Since I came back to league after 5 years, a few months ago, I decided I wanted to try new roles, since I almost always played top, so almost every match I go with autofill, wich led me to playing support and jungle almost every time, a few times as adc and almost never, actually anecdotic, a top or a mid. From this experience I've got to love almost every role and enjoy the strengths and weaknesses of every role and how important and frustrating can a jungler be in a match, like you said, for both the player and the team, I myself enjoy the role, but had some of the worst times being absolutely impossible to compensate your teams decisions, how they all expect you to be where they need you all the time, and how they do absolutely no cooperation when it comes to making possible the objectives of even giving a certain lane some advantage On the other side, the famous "jg diff" can be ridiculous with how strategic a jungler can be, using his advantages and abusing his opponent weaknesses, either by punishing the lack of attention to laners or objectives All of that in conjunction makes the jungle experience a pain in the ass for everyone involved, specially players who don't main that role

I've played jungle since I started League on the patch Zed released. All my friends already decided roles they wanted and I was effectively forced into it, beginning it with Elise, Udyr, and Diana. And you're right, I can't really explain how to jungle, I just kind of intrinsically know what I want to do in each situation based on countless hours of playing the role, and even that differs from player to player. In the event I get autofilled or put into my secondary role, it hurts to watch whoever has jungle do things either differently or just badly. For me, I feel like I have the most control over the outcome of a game as jungle and don't like the lack of it when playing other roles. I think the key is to practice what you can control. Clear speed, pathing, going for objectives, etc. Best way to keep your team from getting to you is mute them the moment you think they're being toxic, and keep all chat disabled. It will only make you upset and play worse. If you're coming from another role, find a champion whose skillset overlaps with what you're good at. Try to eliminate the random factor of your teammates skill levels as much as you can until you can climb to a level where they're relatively consistent. I'll be honest, jungle requires the most amount of work, knowledge, and practice, but the control it offers once you get decent at it is worth it.

One of the reasons I played a lot of Cho'Gath in the toplane back then was that from lvl 6 and onwards my team was not dependant on Jungler for securing objectives. Moreover - Cho's R has much more damage than a real Smite. So I can outplay even an enemy Jungler.

One thing that makes juggling such a difficult role to learn is the fact that "the right thing" to do changes from game to game, and depends a lot on what the laner actually wants. As a midlaner, I typically play safe and mostly focus on farming in the early game, and do not wish my jungler to have to gank my lane once every 2 minutes. But other midlaners will definitely have different preferences and play styles, and therefore wish their jungler to interact with them differently.

The argument about preventing long queue times can be seen with World of Warcraft where you're often waiting for, you guessed it, tanks and healers - basically the WoW version of a jungler and support. It's weird how they're in demand in multiple different games even when the role varies between them. Overwatch sees similar as well with longer queues for more DPS oriented roles.

@3:14 Baus viewer had me cacklin'

My experience as a jungle main in a nutshell: If we win "Won despite Jungle", if we lose "Lost because jungle". It doesn't matter if I had a bad game, middle game or good game, most of the times every bad thing happening gets blamed on you, every good thing happening often gets seen as happening despite of you. You really need to learn to ignore what your own team says to be able to keep playing jungle.

As a Shaco jungle onetrick, saying jungle is the “wild card” role is 100 percent correct. But doubly so for a character like Shaco; he can go assassin, crit, bruiser, ap assassin, and even ap support all within the jungle. Yeah sure his main play style is lethality assassin, but what I love doing is counter building the enemy. They’ve got lots of dive/melee fighters? Juice out AP and ability haste. Lots of tanks? Liandrys rush + magic pen. No tanks? Full crit >:) Shaco being a “wildcard” character in a wildcard role definitely suits him. It’s so fun to play each game differently not only within the jungle role but also with my build paths.

As a jungle main for the past 7 seasons with a few hundred hours of experience I'm quite experienced in the role. Jungle is the role where you have the potential to be the most impactful role in the game if you're securing objectives, not dying, getting successful ganks and always being there for important skirmishes. But at the same time you can get repeat invaded and not have any of your laners help, you can fail to get objectives, get killed while trying to do them, or just have multiple ganks that don't pan out, and all of these things can happen through seemingly no fault of your own. Jungle is a role that requires near constant presence of mind, macro awareness and mechanical skill in order to perform well at. It's extremeley demanding but also rewarding to master. But there's a constant pressure to perform far beyond what's expected of the other roles, which gets menally exhausting. And that's not even getting into the finger pointing and blaming. Adding onto all of this is that it gets significant changes every couple of months. Outside of system wide changes, even something as simple as a small nerf to a meta jungler's damage can significantly alter their clear speed or ability to fight the enemy jungler off an objective. So you can't rely as much on mechanical skill or comfort with a champion as you could with lanes. Add onto that a sort of unspoken expectation for the jungler to fill in gaps in team composition it inevitably feels like you have to pilot a very wide pool of champions of various classes all in the same role

Been trying to play jungle because I love Rengar and as a main Ezreal for almost 8 seasons minimum I can confirm it's one of the most in game rewarding yet socially stressing experiences I've felt in my life and that accounting I mainly just play quick play and normals. Never been so flamed like the past month

as a ivern main this is very well written. these are all the things im thinking about during a game which really speaks volumes about the jung role. best advice i can give is to mute your teammates if you want to start playing jung

They should receive a sort of love that supports get. More viable ways to give back to the team and more interesting jungle pets that allow for new strategies. And we can tell they've been doing this in small ways, like iverns old passive becoming just baseline for all jgs and the baron version of the buffs. Just like supports it would interesting if they had their own set of items in the shop unique to their position like say wardstone for a start.

this is so relatable, recently when I go play league almost every time I die one single time or miss one drag/grub I naturraly go like "well boys, my game is over", because it is how this role feel, you have to jg diff your oponent or get jg diffed