Someone doesn't like teemo. Jeez

as a kayle main this hits about every point besides your team flaming you for not having high champ damage on a 20 min game

Kayle... The only champion nerfed so hard so early they put it in her lore. "It felt like something was sapping my strength." Lol

Kayle is basically a champ for mmo players

imo her main gimmick is the "never surrender until outscale the enemy and turn the game" but that happens kinda rarely too the point where often either you loose too fast to scale or your team wins early without you having any contribution to it, and that can get very frustrating at times, so that might be a big part of it

The problom i have with kayle is that SHE DOESNT FEEL LIKE A CAHMPION UNTILL SHE GETS RANGE TO ATTACK. That feeling was worse when she used to gwt it on lv 11.

I picked up Kayle in preseason since she seemed relatively strong, i realized she is just the champ i love and i plan to keep playing her even if she bad after preseason :)

I had picked Kayle when I first started out on league because I thought she was a healer like mercy oh how wrong i was..

“Magic damage ad carry” yeah, it’s those word combinations that made Riot change their name into marksman

Kayle's ulti doesnt last long when you use it, it lasts forever when an enemy use it.

i remember the first time i seen a kayle pop off back in season 2. we were pushing mid and got to their 3rd turret. my jaw dropped when she just started raining down death like it was no one's business.

i just liked the holy angel aesthetic.

kaylemains checking in used to be riven main. but i'm 32yo now. my fingers and brain doesn't move as fast as they used to.

Yeah, as you said, her main focus in lane is keeping herself alive.. that's the problem. Even if you succeed, while that's great for you, it's never fun. If you lose lane, it's actual purgatory and if you win, it's still "not fun" because you're just surviving and scaling. The only way the first 20 minutes of the game even *can* get fun is if you get so far ahead that you can actually kill people and do things early on - in which case it is unfun for the enemy team as they will feel like the game is already lost since Kayle will simply scale and win.

It's bizarre listening to you describe her weaknesses while watching someone play her masterfully.

Nahhh... I miss the old Kayle. There's this times where I feel invincible. Now, you're just a late gamer dude when almost every game ends at 20 to 30 minutes.

04:29 ''kicking names and taking ass'' -Vars, 2021

As a Kayle main, I can attest to these problems. I personally play Kayle because she gives an Udyr or Jax vibe; she can do whatever she wants in terms of damage type, and with all these new items its not hard to do literally whatever you want anymore. Safe to say that my style is hybrid champs, therefore Kayle is at the top of my roster no matter what

I stopped playing league for like 5 years but I've since gotten back into it, this whole time I didn't even know I had Kayle but I tried her out after watching this and I think I'm going to main her

I picked her up rather late, but once I did I fell in love with her kit. Now she is one of my mains if not my main champion (I`m formally a Nasus main btw, so you did a pretty good job comparing them :d )

me, a kayle main: hehe fire swords

kayle is a high risk and high reward type champion

Oh boy I love literally afking until 6 and then perma farming until 11 because a cannon minion can out dps me. What a great design riot

I play her as a support since season 4. She has some utility and I you can expand it with the correct items and runes, that's why I lover her so much

Personally, I love my tanks, I love the feeling of waltzing into the enemy while knowing that to a point I can't be brought down but I think I might pickup Kayle for more diversity in my roster

great video! Kayle player here. It'd honestly help a lot if the game just gets a bit slower / if they nerfed the healing on w but instead lower the mana costs

I agree with this video to the fullest and I mained Kayle for some time. Before all the item changes and level 6-level 11 change, you would find way more proof here. The Kayle Mains Discord was a chaos and everyone played something different with her. Even I played her as a support and maxed W. There was a time we maxed E first and built Muramana, then it went and we were left with not much options so some went back to the old build, some built full AD crit, some built AP burst and some like me just went with support because she worked there and didn't have that many disadvantages in the early game. Then they swapped level 11 power spike with level 6 spike. Things changed, she was very weak for a while to the point that she was undesirable, then finally found her place back. The best thing about Kayle is the feeling of revenge. You suffer for the first minutes, sure. Some top laners like Darius players even get offended and push as far as trying to tower dive and assaulting you on all chat. But in the end they get to suffer and you get to rise. In all the roles she's played, this is the meta and satisfaction we're all going for.

Laughs is kayle midlane main

really enjoy the series, nice work!! i'd love to see a video on rek'sai, if you ever get around making one

“why no one plays kayle:” tft players in set 4.5: ummm in what universe

I feel like Kayle had an identity at some point, being a scaling top lane champion with the ability to push very fast since level one to pressure the opponent under his toxwer, most top laners being melee during that time. it was kind of an all or nothing playstyle as failing to predict the jungler's position could lead to loosing really hard. This pressure came from her E that had little downtime because we used CDR quints & runes + AS runes instead of any defensive runes. Then they removed the runes, so the champion lost all its pressuring ability, the E now having too much downtime. Plus it locked kayle into a single combination of 3 core items, namely Nashor's tooth > Guinsoo's > lich bane in that order because of the E cd being too long to have permanant uptime otherwise. That why they made the E's CD lowering with spell level, it meant however that Kayle had an even longer CD early on than before but you were able not to always build these 3 items. By now Kayle had little to no pressure in lane. Then the rework came, and tbh, I still liked playing Kayle even after she lost the ability to get ahead in lane, because I knew a few levels into the game I could still waveclear really fast & split push to win macro & accelerate massively into my mid game, now with the rework she doesn't even have waveclear until level 11. As a Kayle lover I feel the character has lost what it made it cool to play for me, being to take as much ressource as possible on the map the earlier I can & dominating the lane using wave management instead of searching for kills & making plays. I think Kayle used to be a laner that could win the lane taking advantage of it's range without being a lane bully & then use lane pressure to secure more resources at other places of the map, the champion being a good duelist while also having the potential to carry teamfight (when you could still auto attack for the ult's full duration). This capacity to suck resources very fast allowed her to have an insane mid game, damage skyrocketing with the second item. I late game her lack of range made it hard to play teamfights versus a lot of team compositions, also everyone having dashes & hard CCs now isn't making things easier (thought she has more range than before)

Kayle was absolutely broken on her rework, riot got scared and nerfed her to the ground, that's why "no one plays" her, I still love her though, the is a cool champ and the capacity of protecting your allies is great

I love Kaykle and the architype of not having an arch. when im playing kayle or people like gangplank and azir, I feel like I'm playing a higher being than the normal champions. people also dont play them as much/ or against them and i like that.

I used to play Kayle a lot before she was reworked, and then played her a lot after. The mains issues I had were: 1.) Abilities changed for too much AOE Her Q, W, and R all had AOE added to them and it put her into a weird spot of "should I now be in a duo lane or something?". They had their scalings/cooldowns/damage affected to incorporate this change that not a single previous Kayle main wanted. The entire point of playing her was as a hermit in the top lane that bullied the enemy and farmed as much as she could for items to carry. 2.) Ult change Her ult change was such a weird one and a lot of people from the Kayle mains subreddit complained a lot. It changed the ult from a defensive ability that allowed her to carry fights without getting 1 shot to an offensive ability that you would be better off just throwing on an engager. This ties back to the first point, but it pushed more of her focus onto allies instead of the 1v9 machine people should be rewarded with for spending all game farming. 3.) Burst Kayle was almost never a burst champion. If she got to very late game she could burst someone, but that was never the point of Kayle and in my opinion was something I wanted changed with her rework. But no, Riot went full in on burst meta and added yet another rework that just added burst to their kit and chalked it up as a win for them. This has been a pattern with so many champions in the past few years where they just add burst or a dash to try and 'modernize' these champions, but it just waters down the game. Her E/R changes and even her q with the buffer make her such a weird mix of on-hit and just straight up burst that it completely ruined her for me. I don't want to spend 35 minutes farming to one shot a poor adc who did nothing wrong. I want to perfectly "spaceglide" my way across the fight with a ton of attacks and outplay my enemy. 4.) The laning phase This was a bigger issue before with her ranged at 11, but even so it just goes to show how incompetent and clueless Riot actually are. They had no idea what Kayle players liked her for and I highly doubt any Rioter that worked on this played Kayle a single time in their life. Her entire kit was based on bullying the enemy early, very similar to a Teemo, where she would prock E and either AOE enemies when they walk near the wave, or just auto them down. Her playstyle was to force shove waves and bully her enemy into low HP so that even if a gank came, she could kill the enemy or run away. She was one of the best pushers in the game and she had a lot of vulnerability that enemies could abuse, so she was pretty well balanced. I had a bigger list before but I don't remember it anymore because I just gave up on League. They ruined so much and now I have this immense knowledge of useless information with a passion for something that constantly fucks me over.

I actually love to play Kayle. There would be no place to live for me in League without her. I Always wanted to play 1v1 lane, but i hated laning phase. I never wanted to roam, controlling minion waves is hard, so when I play kayle I dont have to worry about it. If i cant walk up to minions, I cant control the wave, and If i cant roam, I wont. Its chill and relaxing early game cuz Im just soaking exp sitting and chilling on lane. After laning phase Im a thanos and I can stomp plat noobs

this is the video I've been waiting for for so long. I first started playing kayle as support in s9 before I even really knew anything about the game and now seeing the rework how it is, it feels like they reworked her out of the role that suited her best. As much as I love the insane scale and carry possibilities, she just doesn't fit in top lane or bot lane, even though those are her only 2 late game roles

Kayle main here. I picked her up a while back and she's the only champion I play. Yea, there are probably better champions but I like her, and she seems like she could be amazing as I improve. (Saying that I have an 88% win rate with her and 89% on top lane overall, so I think people underestimate what Kayle can do when played correctly in the early game)

I think Kayle is similar to Nasus in that she falls into a category of champs that force the enemy team to play more aggressively and devote resources to stopping you. If you can survive in lane as Kayle against your laner you are almost guarantee jg and mid lane ganks/roams constantly. If you have a strong early game jg and bot lane, then you can very easily secure most dragons and early towers on the other side of the map. She also forces her lane opponent to overextend to try and deny her cs because going even into Kayle is losing the lane and dooming your team later. She is a strong counter to tanks and juggernauts because of her survivability and kiting, but does terribly into skirmishers. I've only ever built Kayle as burst mage with a nashor's tooth, so I may have missed the 'lack of identity' crisis you mentioned in the video, lol. I think she is a strong counter to a slower team comp, and almost always a last pick as a counter to a tank or juggernaut.

Kayle is my top pick, I really like how she is a little bit of everything. I also like how she looks, her design is really good. I know that she isn't picked a lot but she holds her own.

I feel like her early game is so bad that her late game, which is not as strong as used to me IMO, is not worth putting ur entire team to play 4 vs 5

I love the points u cover and also the Bayonetta music u putting XD

Loved the bayonetta ost :3 oh and nice video btw

Honestly started playing league a week ago, and picked up Kayle for 450 blue essence. She was my first champion, and now I main her and honestly like her more passive top lane play style I have it down to a T. I’m still learning more about her but having already gotten lvl 5 mastery on her feels nice after seeing this video

When I played league, I was a flex player. Kayle was my top lane main. And while every game felt like torture pre 20mins, the feeling of being possibly the most powerful champions on the field late game, is a very awesome feeling. Love the champ!

i'm a support main, however, i have a pretty decent champ pool in aram. it's what i mainly play now aside from the other game modes. I started playing Kayle a lot in aram because i fell in love with her thematic, and how much easier it is to be relevant in your game. I wish i could play her in summoner's rift but idk that i have the motivation to farm for 25 minutes if even given the chance and hope you can carry your team.

When My champion pool has tons of champions from this series(Why no one plays series) Me:**Chuckles** I'm in danger :) .

Hello there, Vars! I'm a fan of your work since I also like to theorycraft and analyze reasons to why things are the way they are. Most of "Why no one plays" arguements I agree with you on, but in this video I would like to state that your 3-rd point ("Kayle takes too long to ramp up") is much more a primary reason why Kayle is not as popular. She DO have a very clear role, not some "mage-enchanter-aa" but simply an "AA-based hyper carry". Although it's not an official role, but the following characters: Master Yi, Kog Maw, Kayle, Vayne and Jinx; all are enabled more the longer the game goes and all of them focus on melting enemies with auto-attacks as a primary source of damage. Hyper-carries share the same trait of being able to kill the whole team very quickly if given chance to freely AA. So why Kayle and KogMaw are not popular, while Master Yi and Vayne are thriving (and Jinx is just somewhere in between)? Well, Yi is a very simple to learn champion, he has a very low skill ceiling - and, most importantly, if you're a novice player, playing in the novice environment, you WILL melt the whole team once in a while, if got accidently fed. Vayne is on the other side of the spectrum: she's a highly skill-dependent character, but with that comes the level of flashy and cool moves and outplays you can do. Just as Yasuo, Riven and others, Vayne carries an immense individual potential within the right hands. It's extremely rewarding to master her - or at least try to. But Kayle and Kog, while taking the whole game to become team-melting menaces, require actual skill and positioning to be useful even in late game, unlike Yi. And at the same time simply Auto-attacking your enemies to death is not as fun as rolling around and chasing people as Vayne. So it all boils down to your own criteria from other videos: this 2 hyper-carries both require skill and patience to play, and yet feel rather unrewarding even when executed well.

I recently started playing Kayle and yeah, her early game is brutal, specially against a Riven or anyone who can quickly close the gap. You have to sit under tower and pretty much just pee yourself until you scale a little more.

If the enemy top laner know how to play and how manage a wave it is really hard to cs and enemy laner is usually gets bored because you play safe and goes ganks other lines joins fights. It can destroy your team's mental saying what are you not doing as much damage as him or effective.

I like how fast she attacks after lvl 11

i think that what killed kayle was the cannon minion changes that came up a while ago. now they come double as fast at the 15 min mark, and then at the 20 min or 25 min mark they start coming on every wave. this changes accelerated games to finish a lot faster than they used to because when those marks are reached people start to be able to push to towers and destroy them more easily So games wont last long for her power spike to shine

I saw this video a couple years ago when i was relatevly new to kayle and i became determined to become a kayle onetrick. Fast forward 3 years i just reached diamond by only playing kayle, it has been a rough journey but a fun one and i am not planing on stopping any time soon.

OTP Kayle here aswell since mid s9 early s10. I love your vid, i was like agreeing with every point. Especially about the personnality aspect of her. I do love her because she needs a special mindset to succeed but i miss to see her like a god in my games, i mean she got wings she is sparkly and all she lack the divine judgement in my opinion. About your question on what to change on her that could give her personality. I was thinking about adding a boost of movespeed while ulting, the only thing she can do under ult is walking/running, maybe we could imagine a kayle that could ult herself and go in the middle like an archange that comes to fight then a bit of movespeed to help replace herself then kite. Nota: If it's hard to understand me welp, sorry in french ;) désolé :)

Kicking names and taking ass, i caught that, well played haha

Kayle : Lvl 1 - meelee minion Lvl 6 - caster minion Lvl 11 - siege minion Lvl 16 - super minion

after level 6 kayle becomes a very useful back line peeler, with a good front line the damages she brings and her utility makes her extremely valuable to the team, but early kayle is not for those that area always looking to get into a fight just farm till 6 then poke farm and back line till 11, my games don't usually make it to lvl 16 by then we either win or lose,

to simply answer the question. kayle requires every good thing in league. warding,map awareness, mechanics (kiting/when to use your spells),game knowledge,matchup knowledge,farming. most people don't have the time to learn those things

and here i am, support kayle. i think she fits the portector role very well. and if stuff goes south, you have the option to carry yourself!

In my opinion, Cleptomancy removal hit her the hardest. It was the only keystone that was able to help her get through harsh earlygame. RIP, Clepto. You are missed.

Is that bayonetta music playing during a kayle video? A man of culture

I started watching your videos after only playing this game once and downloaded it again and i was shocked when i played kayle and she started doing different stuff. this games so different from smite makes me wanna play more lol

Kayle is probably my favourite champion because i am huge fan of patience. With Kayle i just wait and survive, if i die, i'll know that if they keep it going long enough i can get sweet revenge when i hit level 16. The ecstasy you get when you become the single strongest champion out of nowhere is amazing.

She is definitely a pocket pick. It’s really painful to play a bad matchup and you just get bullied into oblivion

Right on the spot

It absolutely doesn't matter how vitally great your ult was last team fight, if that jungler YOLOs into the enemy and dies because you didn't have it available you better BELIEVE there's gonna be question mark pings.

That nunu had some awful turret dives😆

Ok great vid but the bayonetta music had me too xD

The "Fuck you" when he showed a picture of Teemo. x)

As a kayle main I must say, most of her weakneses can be dealt with with some practice and experience with her but you’re right, if your team doesn’t give you the oportunity to scale aswell as the matchup dependency you can’t win that easly

I think the reason I likw Kayle so much is because you can build litterally any rune and it can benifit you depending on the role you're playing. For example Glacial Augment while playing her mid or support can turn out very well.

Before her rework she was quite a niche support, heal, speed up, making invincable. Now as level dependant and melee till Level 6... And as Toplaner she suffers from her remade ult. As late game hypercarry not being able to AA during your ult is devastating.

I feel obligated to play her because I have her Judgement skin from season 1. Really enjoy what they've done with her.

i think her and morgana should have some kind of rivalry based mini game

I think Kayle has a pretty clear identity as a carry with a few tricks

Pre rework kayle used to feel so overpowered with the 2 item spike nashers/wits end or runaans and once you got to the old rageblade it felt like you could never lose a 5v5

As a Kayle main, who bought Kayle for my first champion, and who leveled from 1 to 30 in Season 3 with only Kayle I really really loved Kayle until Remake... Personally, I loved old Kayle Skins so much, and now my most favorite skin, "Unmasked Kayle" is gone and they took my Kayle from me :( Although there are many postive sides too, but I miss old kayle so much too. Not only the skins, but also her style of battle - Crazyily Basic Attack-ing enemies While Ulting

I like that u can play her in many ways. Hell, I even play her as an tank/bruiser and it works perfekt because of her scaling. Imagine a immense devine kayle with frostfire gauntlet, w- end, steraks, dm-plate, atk spd boots and revenous hydra/ titanic hydra. U are truely god when u play her like that and u reach the fullbuild. I really like this champ. U discribed this champ verry good, as u always do. GG

A lot of kayle problems could be solved if she started ranged and then at lvl 6 she gets the attack speed, she could have a safer early Game and even play her un botlane where her supportive abilities would be very much apreciated like senna but AP

she is and always was magic adc. She always did the most dmg with her magic-infused autoattacks. I never built her differently x)

Kayle one trick talking. Why I chose to one trick her is becouse I just feel in love with the champion. Just thinking about the entire theme she has, I really liked it. Her mega scaling play style really appeals to me. Plus... Let's be honest, Kayle is just a champion you either play, or you don't. She is a marksmen in the toplane, but she can actually be your main carry

I think a big problem is yoo that she can rly start like in lvl 12-16 (depends) and as soon as u start to be good and u can carry the enemie surrenders or your team finishes thats ehy i dont main her anymore the time where you can enjoy her is when you almost loose or when you almost win and that takes away the fun

i only played league on season 2 and this heavy focus on giving a clear role to a champion helped me quit the game. Seeing that one of my favorite champions is still making you wonder what to build made me want to go back

to make her more auto-attack based you could replace the heal with an attack speed buff/magic damage buff and rework the ulti to do less base damage reduce the time you or your ally is invincible and deal the damage in small incremants instead of one burst but each incremant can apply kayls on-hit effects. just some ideas.

SUBSCRIBED! I love your content , can you please post the name of BGM you're using , they're very peaceful and pleasant to listen to.

The current meta tends to skew games shorter which makes Kayle a less popular pick since she doesn't have time to hit her power spike before the game snowballs too far or ends. The way around this is if your team plays around your early game (jg or mid help gank or counter gank) and helps you scale faster, but then the reverse happens: the enemy team will forfeit if you start to scale too quickly compared to their team. Really the only way to have fun (and therefore get picked more often) with Kayle is if your lane is winning, and the others are losing so that the other team doesn't forfeit and they'll keep the game going into the late game where you can outscale them.

Just subscribed because you wrote "f*** you" on Teemo - good one

I've LOVED Kayle ever since her rework first came out. I do agree that she's a pocket counterpick though because I play her Mid and I find she works against someone like Zed for example cause she just holds her R until he uses his.

I just got to plat as a otp kayle but I completely agree with your points

I picked up Kayle and I have to say I enjoy her a lot but instead of playing her top I play her mid. Personally for me it works so much better that way. Kayle is an odd champion and this video did highlight her main issues.

Damn, 3 seconds measured in terms of Morgana Q is tripping me hard.

The nunu in the video inting to towers lmao

Most satisfying thing with Kayle: you're basically an anime hero. You just get bullied and you aren't strong enough to 1v1 anyone in early game, then you place a significant ult, or you just kill the ennemy laner caus he's too greedy and then the game transform. Your adrenaline level is so high at this point. I swear I did a game where the dudes had to hit nexus 2/3 times to win, but I reached the point of no return, and they lost. It's much more satisfying than doing a typical snowball in any lane and win caus you're feed.

(TL;DR at the end) The main issue I have with late game ANYTHING in MOBAs is that you have to slog through the early game to get there. Why make life hard early for a later payoff (that may or may not come) when you can play an early game champion and do well, then blame your team when you fall off late game. Its harder to blame anyone but yourself early if you start falling behind, but if you do well early, you gain excuses to put the blame on your teammates. And even if you make it to late game and start getting your power spikes, you might be so screwed over anyways that you can't even stop the enemy team. TL;DR, top 3 reasons I think people dont like to play late game champions 1: you have to GET to late game first 2: you have a harder time blaming your teammates for not excelling early game rather than late game 3: If you do get to late game, it may already be too late to recover

I may pick her up later, I used to main yorick, but in my elo games are too long and he doesnt scale super well unless you farm like a bit. Kayle sounds good.

i keep telling my team that pre lvl 6 kayle is an overglorified superminion, and that's pretty accurate imo

I would really like it if her heal could remove CC, but was only 1 target (adjusting the heal, movement speed and cd obviously). It would really make it easier to survive lane and it would be a nice contrast with Morgana's Q, being able to remove it, while being similar with Morgana's E, able to negate/remove CC. Even if it only removed slows, and not stuns, it would be a good change.

Ok, to clarify for you. Kayle and Teemo both fit in a class that riot has all but forgotten about. AP Carry, basically they are an Auto attacking champion, like an ADC, but deal primary magic damage instead of physical. They are not a stright up "mage" that is a caster, Lux and Veigar for example are true "mages", more specifically nuke mages, weakness when their abilities are on cooldown. Kayle and Teemo use their abilities to enhance their damage output, much like an ADC uses their abilities to either poke or directly assist them with their auto attacks. Kayle specifically is kinda special in that she can/was/is also a support, although that identity is all but lost, again, like Teemo who was originally designed to be a support. Overall Kayle/Teemo are good counter picks to melee toplanes and mids, they also subsequently are a good matchup against one another as well. Both are also good counter picks to the flying garbage can that is Quinn. Note: she is a standard late game feast or fammine champ, either she gets fed and carries hard, or gets behind and feeds. Akli is the same, wait till level 6 before being able to go HAM.

why no one plays kayle: her power spike is at level 11-16, by that time most games have already a determined outcome

She has some hard matchups, but you just gotta play safe and pick the right build and runes based on who you're up against and you're good. She's weak early on, but she is really flexible when it comes to builds. You can build AD for a less sucky early game, AP for more utility and late game power and even hybrid.

My personal favorite part of Kayle is that she doesn’t have a pre determined play style. Most champions feel like you are put into a box the moment you lock them in. I really wish she had a slightly better early game however. To be able to trade better with other top lane champions would be great.