Why NOT to apply Metal Roof Coatings - The worst thing to ever do

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Flat Roof Doctor

Flat Roof Doctor

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Are Metal Roof Coatings Good or Bad? See the issues of acrylic coatings and how to repair a metal roof with Turbo Poly Seal.
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The worst thing to ever do on a Metal Roof is to completely coat it. Any coating is like a paint that will bubble, peel, and crack, causing water between the coating and the metal.
Acrylic coatings are thick paints. It dries out and shrinks with the extreme heat from the sun, causing it to pull away from the corners of the metal panels, and then a crack sets in. Water enters this crack and follows the corner between the coating and the metal till it reaches a fastener or seam and causes rust or a leak.
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Summary:
1. Acrylic coatings are a type of water-based paint that shrinks and cracks
2. Metal roofs get extremely hot and cold, causing expansions and contractions
3. Fasteners constantly wear out and loosen up, causing the Acrylic paint to crack around it
4. The expansion and contractions of two overlapping panels are more than any acrylic coating can withstand without cracking
5. The surface of existing metal roofs is not clean enough to have paint sprayed, and therefore, the paint will not adhere properly
My best advice is to repair the seams, seal the fasteners, cover the rusty areas with Super Silicone Seal, and leave the rest of the metal surface bare.
Start:
0:00 - Coatings on a Metal Roof
0:18 - Shrinking Acrylic Coating
0:55 - Water trapped under the coating
1:18 - Coating causes rust around screws
1:42 - Ice under the coating
1:54 - How to fix the problem
2:05 - Using Flat bar
2:15 - Using hammer claw
2:25 - Removing Hex screws
2:41 - Tip on Grinder use
3:00 - Using a grinder to remove the coating
3:20 - Replace screws with Pan head screws
4:15 - Turbo Poly Seal to seal
4:44 - 1st coat of Turbo Poly Seal
5:15 - Embedding Fleece
6:03 - Final coat Turbo Poly Seal
6:49 - My take on Metal Roof Coatings

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@graywolf181961
@graywolf181961 3 жыл бұрын
Multiple issues here. 1) Never mentions how old the acrylic roof is. Acrylic coatings tend to lose 1-2 mils of thickness per year due to weathering which is why most manufacturers offering 10 years or more for warranty purposes require at least 2 coats. Better products with higher acrylic solids perform better and offer more flexibility and this coating from visual observations doesn't appear to have had such high solid concentrations. This roof appears to be at least 15 years old or more given how brittle the coating was, but he doesn't mention the age of the coating once. 2) Obvious to anyone who has been on hundreds of metal roofs that were coated with either acrylic or silicone, this roof was prepared poorly for the coating application. As with any paint or coating, preparation is everything if you want it to stick. He scrapes and wire brushes the metal roof and never bothers to clean the dust off or wipe the area he is working on before applying the product. So now a majority of his wonderful repair and product is adhered to dust on the metal panel area from wire brushing. 3) Metal roofs tend to have a lot of expansion and contraction, so as the original coating becomes more brittle there will obviously be cracks and fissures forming on the coating surface. 4) He runs panhead fasteners into the pan of the panel, not the best place for fasteners without an EPDM grommet on the fastener. Given the force he applied while driving the fasteners, my guess would be all the fasteners he installed were overdriven and will eventually begin to back out due to expansion, contraction and being overdriven. 5) He has applied his product which is relatively thick and has basically created a coating seam that is bucking water on the uphill side of the repair. Constant rains will eventually work its way under the repair given the area was prepared so poorly over time creating the same issues he is highlighting. 6) Did he bother to check if the rusted fasteners utilized were even compatible with the metal panel. Often times, contractors fail to realize some fasteners they use during repairs are not compatible with certain metals and this accelerates rusting issues between the fastener and the panel. The entire thought process that coatings are bad for metal roofs when in fact you are applying a coating yourself is ridiculous at best. As someone who has served as expert witness in multiple litigation cases on issues revolving around roof system installations, I can state I have seen extremely good coating applications and have in fact represented some in court that were not so good. A majority of the issues revolved around poor preparation with maybe 1-2% of my investigations involving around issues with the product itself. With any coatings, choosing the right coating and thorough preparation of the substrate either provides a long term solution or a short term nightmare. Bottom line, do your homework and understand the most expensive coating isn't always the best. All in all, if this was meant as a positive promotion for their product, it was done poorly at best.
@Calvin-Coohey
@Calvin-Coohey 3 жыл бұрын
Well said. I agree 1000 percent.
@jesselaa9397
@jesselaa9397 11 ай бұрын
This is 100% correct!!! I've done thousands of squares in my time and proper prep work is a MUST!!! ANY type of coating will fail, if not done properly. I've never heard of anyone ever using pan head screws before. Is that even "acceptable"?
@user-oy1yx7vk2b
@user-oy1yx7vk2b 3 ай бұрын
PREACH IT BROTHA! AMEN!!!
@dabprod
@dabprod Жыл бұрын
I used Kool Seal roof coating on metal roofs on mobile homes in Florida for years and never had a problem. The old silver coating and the white coating too.
@randyearles1634
@randyearles1634 4 жыл бұрын
preparations makes the job. good video
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
exactly
@richmiller5224
@richmiller5224 3 жыл бұрын
Liquid application on Metal Roofs are actually a great option . This coating problem he is talking about us a combination of cheap coating ,bad surface prep and poor application .
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
Partly true. But always will "Bad Prep" be blamed for failure. There is always room for error, therefore there are always coatings that fail. The above points leave the scapegoat out because that will always be the case that someone did something wrong.
@angryhands9564
@angryhands9564 3 жыл бұрын
In my experience we’ve had great success when using a 100% silicone coating like from gaco, but it’s expensive about $400 per 5 gallons.. we’ve never had a problem if prep was done correctly and to proper thickness for application, but I’m also in Florida and we don’t experience the extreme cold weather that you have, I could see that as a problem.
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
@@angryhands9564 I agree, silicone coating is good. But it is seldom that people go back after several years to check how it is going or that they get a call from the owner. Almost never
@We_are_the_light
@We_are_the_light 3 жыл бұрын
You are 100 % correct. This guys a shitty prepper
@waaawone936
@waaawone936 2 жыл бұрын
Is silicone roof coating good for tropical zone?
@cruzdeleon1888
@cruzdeleon1888 2 жыл бұрын
Great video..one question, on an R-panel roof if it looks somewhat bend in or stepped on hard..like someone stepped on it very hard and now it looks like bend downwards and to the sides where it was stepped on....will this case the R-panel to leak?
@delatroy
@delatroy 3 жыл бұрын
Any advice for removing rust on large scale for a big roof like in your video? I saw people use acids
@jurgeysamuel
@jurgeysamuel 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video Roof Doctor!
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Sam. How are you?
@gabbythetoymaker1400
@gabbythetoymaker1400 4 жыл бұрын
I've been doing roofing since I was a child I'm 40 years old now and I have learned more in those years on flat roofs from you thank you and God bless you and your family
@jurgeysamuel
@jurgeysamuel 4 жыл бұрын
I'm good hoping to learn everything I can from you, if I ever have any questions about what I'm doing could I ask for your opinion, getting involved with some tpo and epdm stuff now. Always good to know people, thank you for your time man
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
Anytime, I am always here to help
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
Now you need to learn about marketing. Doing the work is the easy part, finding the jobs is hard. That is what I spend most of my time in is marketing. How do people find you?
@katherineavery8882
@katherineavery8882 Жыл бұрын
Roof Doctor, I have an older metal roof that has begun to leak. It was put on with roofing nails. The gaskets are old and some of the nails have begun to back out. How would you suggest I repair it. Replace all the nails with larger screws or..? And seal the seams?
@MBSK-xw4ff
@MBSK-xw4ff 3 жыл бұрын
'''''''''''''''''''''''You're the best teacher! Thank you so much
@raymondmontgomery4795
@raymondmontgomery4795 Жыл бұрын
Not a fan of elastomerics but for some roofs that don't really need to extend their service life i guess it is an OK fix. Our roofing company has used pretty much everything out there over the last 25 years. We use only one products after 8 years of success and not callbacks. There is a Liquid butyl rubber made by epdmcoatings. What we like about it is that it does not need a primer for any of the roof types we have applied it over that goes for metal, BUR, epdm, foam but NOT silicone. also it is a one coat application so we close much more business with this product because we come in as the lowest bid! It is a solvent product so primarily the reason it last all the years. Cheers
@andyeisner4760
@andyeisner4760 Жыл бұрын
There are lots of coating options available that don't require a primer coat
@pennyschuerch2806
@pennyschuerch2806 Жыл бұрын
I have a question. I have a very nice mobile home. I have a metal roof. Every time it rains or the wind blows I have this grey matter that lands on my deck. To me, it looks like grey silver sealant or something. Any idea what I would replace it with?
@fredcdobbs823
@fredcdobbs823 4 жыл бұрын
At 10:45 you say, "acrylic, all silicon coatings I don't think works" & then repair with Turbo Poly Seal, but list Super Silicon Seal as your best advise in your Summary text - which of the two products do you prefer?
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
I have tested both and have used both products extensively. Super Silicone Seal is more fluid and will cause runs easily if the roof is slanted making it harder for a clean job whereas Turbo Poly Seal is leas liquidy. Turbo Poly Seal gives you less linear feet per gallon. I really can't say which one is better. f you use Super Silicone Seal with the fleece in harsh Florida sun will last longer and you don't need to protect it against UV's.Turbo Poly Seal is nice for difficult areas and vertical surfaces as in flashing. Turbo Poly Seal is also much tougher. Honestly, I really don't know which one is better. Thanks for your comment. You are a good observer.
@deepalisajwan9782
@deepalisajwan9782 3 жыл бұрын
Too good sir respect for you from India
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@Alan-wl5de
@Alan-wl5de Жыл бұрын
thank you
@BrianB1963
@BrianB1963 5 ай бұрын
Can someone tell me if they wanted to change the color of their metal roof could they do that? What product / preparation would they use?
@MichaelBrown-np1kc
@MichaelBrown-np1kc 2 ай бұрын
What do you Recommend for painting Polycarbonate Plastic Roofing Material??
@sabrinahogan4332
@sabrinahogan4332 4 жыл бұрын
So what do you suggest to coat a metal roof? I don't have a leak but my metal roof is in need of a coating in general and I typically hire someone to do it and they put on a Kool Coat in double layers.
@kevinwaller6353
@kevinwaller6353 3 жыл бұрын
I am the superintendent of a roofing company and I would recommend using a non fibered aluminum roof coating.
@dylanclay2741
@dylanclay2741 3 жыл бұрын
Aluminum roof coatings is all i use. It doesn't have the cracking problem that acrylic and elastomeric coatings do
@senseidylan6559
@senseidylan6559 Жыл бұрын
My zinc awning has rusted very quickly without a coating, so how do you stop the rust if not with a coating?
@tommasoabruzzese5894
@tommasoabruzzese5894 2 жыл бұрын
Great information on metal roofing. I have a question and would greatly like your professional opinion. What do you recommend for a metal roof that has some surface rust that is not deep, but needs to be coated with something? Thank you very much!
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 2 жыл бұрын
Aluminum Asphalt coating I think is the best. Just lightly brush of the rust, not necessary to take it all of, then paint it with this. Karnak makes the best Asphalt coating.
@Rondogardener
@Rondogardener Жыл бұрын
​. I agree. Once coated, an elastomeric coating would work, but I do not like covering rust with any water-based coating until remedial steps are taken. Ospho is a good rust stabilizer to use first, but asphalt gets the job done.
@timoteoluna3789
@timoteoluna3789 3 жыл бұрын
Does turbo poly seal dry hard or does it stay tacky 🤔
@waaawone936
@waaawone936 Жыл бұрын
What do you think about polyurea coating on metal roof?
@Shaythemusicmonster
@Shaythemusicmonster 2 жыл бұрын
I'm getting a snap-lock standing seam metal roof installed on my house. Would recommend that I get bare (unpainted & without acrylic coating) AZ55 Galvalume steel panels, instead of the more common acrylic coated or painted steel panels?
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 2 жыл бұрын
very good
@esperanzakakazu8744
@esperanzakakazu8744 3 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍 like ur videos it’s a good advice in what brand to buy and what not
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
welcome
@zincyellowmach1523
@zincyellowmach1523 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!!! Would small pieces of fleece and poly seal be good for screws that are leaking? I have replaced the dumb grommet screws with new ones and it didn't solve the problem so I wondered about doing this on them. Thanks!!!!
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
Just use the Turbo Poly Seal without the fleece on the screws. Make sure you clean around every screw before applying the Turbo Poly seal
@zincyellowmach1523
@zincyellowmach1523 4 жыл бұрын
@@FlatRoofDoctor Awesome, thanks for the fast reply!
@kevinwaller6353
@kevinwaller6353 3 жыл бұрын
You can simply use a polyurethane caulking on all of your fasteners.
@zincyellowmach1523
@zincyellowmach1523 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinwaller6353 awesome thanks!
@pmtips4482
@pmtips4482 4 жыл бұрын
Sir, many thanks for this excellent video! What do you think of Geocel brush on product? I have been using Geocel on RV seams and chimney flashing. This Poly Seal looks like an awesome product.
@kevinwaller6353
@kevinwaller6353 3 жыл бұрын
ER300
@sunny37845
@sunny37845 2 жыл бұрын
Nice!! Thank you sir
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 2 жыл бұрын
Most welcome
@cathycartier9885
@cathycartier9885 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!! I learned so much watching your video!! Great education for us metal roof newbies!!
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
i am glad i could help
@travisyarbrough4033
@travisyarbrough4033 3 жыл бұрын
You learned about bad prep NOT products or processes ......
@anndaluz2052
@anndaluz2052 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there, thais for the good video. I have here a 60,000 water tank with rusty big patches inside of it, and I saw today little drops coming from the outside. Help, how to patch this up? Could I use your technic, I also have been thinking of cement with water proofer but then I have to do the whole tank, it looked like a cold long day on that roof. Greetings from southern Spain.
@sirjohnahayfalcon
@sirjohnahayfalcon 2 жыл бұрын
you might could use rapid set cement all . Its pretty good or a type of leakstop cement
@valeriedriver1600
@valeriedriver1600 4 жыл бұрын
Is a granulated roof the same as a modified bitumen roof? If not, which roof is better and why? Which one last longer?
@kevinwaller6353
@kevinwaller6353 3 жыл бұрын
Typically yes however you can get modified in either granulated or smooth and of course granulated will last longer. I'm sure this late response doesn't help at this point.
@JoelMcMinn
@JoelMcMinn 3 жыл бұрын
Our 30 year old ministorage has 30k sq ft of 29ga galv or galvalum on 5 of 6 buildings. Similar product as your video but never painted. Purlins are 1x3 wood spaced too wide at 36"-42" on factory wood trusses 3/12 slope. Concrete block sidewalls. New gutters and downspouts. In our 3 years have learned that NOBODY goes on the roof except a personally trained worker. Fortunately we identified dents which allowed gaps in the overlap seams (from 30 years of untrained roof-walkers) and have sucked them together with rubber-grommeted screws on top of the metal profiles. Replaced probably 25% of the suspect screws with larger diameter (75% yet to go) Appears leak problems are NOT accelerating, original fastenings mostly without rust stain (thanks to galvalum corrosion protection & rubber isolation washers). We've made significant gains against the very few customer complaints of water. Was a risky investment! BUT the facility is below road-level such that the roofs present a poor image of our business and brand. Multicolor stains over white oxidized alum as you would expect. Unthinking, I thot to paint to achieve unform color, prhps white for heat control. But I know it will get dirty. THANKS for the headsup about coating. But what shall I do for COSMETIC? And how to invest in a long-life impermeable roof? I'm thinking to add z-metal purlins on top of existing roof, one above each 1x3, plus one between, then a new powder coated roof over top. This way 190 tenants aren't exposed during the project. And prhps we insulate the space between old and new roof. How can I reach you as a consultant?
@murielmontia5989
@murielmontia5989 3 жыл бұрын
can you put the turbo poly seal over existing tar & flashing?
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
you could, but like the previous comments allure too, prep is key.
@KevFow
@KevFow Жыл бұрын
That seal will last 3 years tops, if that. Not to mention it was applied over an apparent wet and very cold surface which means adhesion is minimum. This will dry, crack and peel very fast. Also, the black color will take a beating from UV rays that will further accelerate deterioration. I'd love to see the state of this patch currently as this video is now 3 years old.
@h2w25
@h2w25 7 ай бұрын
5:23 *everything reminds me of her…*
@CCoburn3
@CCoburn3 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I found this video. I have a leaking metal roof and was considering a coating. Now I know better.
@chadhaire1711
@chadhaire1711 3 жыл бұрын
silicone is $$$ at $250 a bucket but will last forever.....
@devbachu7072
@devbachu7072 Жыл бұрын
What can I used to those covers then
@terentebista122
@terentebista122 3 жыл бұрын
There it’s a wrong coat. The good surface preparation and right paint it’s going to extend the roof life a lot.
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
Sure, we all point to prepping a job, I have yet to see a roof that was prepped 100% correct. The scapegoat to all failing coatings is the prep work, lol
@fixitallpaul4847
@fixitallpaul4847 3 жыл бұрын
@@FlatRoofDoctor I agree. Whether roofs or houses people rarely want to pay for a complete and proper prep job.
@nicesslinger2412
@nicesslinger2412 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't even look like the seams or fasteners were caulked. Just look like the whole roof was sprayed with no real attention before. Sad
@LaJoBa1
@LaJoBa1 4 жыл бұрын
What's the best way to clean a Mobile Home metal roof? I live in a co-op and they are pretty fussy on how things look around here. I was thinking about coating my roof, not anymore....thanks for the education!
@jgg204
@jgg204 3 жыл бұрын
mobile home roof i would use henry tropi-cool silicone white roof coating
@calvint9356
@calvint9356 3 жыл бұрын
@@jgg204 The question was Clean, not Cote.
@dennishochstetler1653
@dennishochstetler1653 3 жыл бұрын
In actuality, the problem is way more complex than what he's making it sound. It could have been a cheap coating. It could have been poor Surface Prep. We have no idea how old the coating was in the first place. It's very important to recoat your roof when it's necessary, not when you have leaks. It's also important to use a rust inhibiting primer underneath your top coat and seal off your Fasteners with caulk. His logic is very over simplified.
@sebastiandelmaro
@sebastiandelmaro Жыл бұрын
You are correct about everything except for the primer part 90% of time or more roofers don’t use primer and usually isn’t a problem
@sebastiandelmaro
@sebastiandelmaro Жыл бұрын
Didn’t notice your pfp^ I guess you are a roofer
@corniss
@corniss 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. I spent over 1000 on 3 cans of rubbet coating and found out water trapped under and rusting metal away.
@devbachu7072
@devbachu7072 Жыл бұрын
What to used to bprotect the roof galavanae
@yuvarajks8355
@yuvarajks8355 3 жыл бұрын
I am from Chennai, India. You really saved me. I was about to buy the "So-called metal roof heat insulation coating". I might have ended with the rusty roof!
@WestTNReb
@WestTNReb 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is wrong! Coatings are a great option, just NOT fabric based systems. The one he's on is a fabric based system. Great options that will NOT do what he's posting out are ER Systems and FAR coatings. Both are liquid-based only. No fabric. Coatings can protect your aging metal and make a roof seamless. Any repair the "flat roof doctor" makes without protecting it from the UV rays won't last 2 years.
@sethhamilton5824
@sethhamilton5824 3 жыл бұрын
@@WestTNReb that isn't fabric... that is acrylic, which dries like rubbery plastic and when it fails becomes like thousands of little rubbery pockets to hold water.
@darlenelily7304
@darlenelily7304 3 жыл бұрын
Elastomeric paint it not meant to stand alone. After 2 coats of this 2 more coats of silicone rubber will keep it from doing this. You can't just use elastomeric paint by itself.
@sandraragole2679
@sandraragole2679 Жыл бұрын
Ty kindly 🙏.. Northern California and two roof contractors messing around. Can you come here....6/22
@Drebotchris
@Drebotchris 3 жыл бұрын
Question - I brought a farm 4 years ago and the barn has a shingle roof on it. Problem is that who put it on put the shingles on plywood over a metal roof. Currently "cleaning" off the shingles but have alot of holes. Any recommendations?
@mendocinorider
@mendocinorider 3 жыл бұрын
Apoc 583 Armorbase and 585 Armorflex thats the best on the market.
@texasRoofDoctor
@texasRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
Probably cheaper to tear it all off install 29 gauge metal like v-crimp. Home depot carries it. 29 gauge is agricultural building grade. Better than corrugated because you can get better grip with screws. On that topic- use something like Trax where the bushings are protected by bell shaped metal cap. Texasroofdoctor@gmail.com if you have any other questions. Good luck
@MrAaron2808
@MrAaron2808 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't roofing screws be best option for safety on steal roofs? Depending on pitch I guess. Regarding this video I'd prefer raised hex screws for safety. Keep in mind i know minimal about roofing
@travisyarbrough4033
@travisyarbrough4033 3 жыл бұрын
Jetcoat and Henry Extreme sprayed on with a Graco Pro in three layers would work just fine in MOST applications. White is not very reflective compared to dedicated reflective coatings folks. Use your resources folks. NOT angry contractors fixing crappy jobs after the fact. Bad prep is the key of this video along with climate and weather in regions
@tagminda4565
@tagminda4565 3 жыл бұрын
For a guy who do the job and understand by heart is someone to believe NOT just any expert BS.
@chrisliott277
@chrisliott277 3 жыл бұрын
Preparation is essential and proper application is important. However, using an acrylic elastomeric that doesn't lose key characteristics, like essential flexibility (elongation), is key to a superior roof coating. Most roof coatings on the market will use inexpensive plasticizers (for flexibility), which leech out, and cause eventual cracking and/or flaking. Same thing happens with asphaltic based products (i..e aluminum asphalt), as their oils will leech out of their coating. Acrymax's acrylic elastomeric won't lose their flexibility as it is built into the backbone of the very polymer (of their resin). This allows Acrymax coated roofs to have their life extended almost indefinitely with simple periodic recoats (at 5, 10, 15, or even 20 year intervals). Recoats simply maintain mil thickness. The thicker, the more robust, the longer before a recoat. See this video link, highlighting a college's roofs, done with Acrymax nearly 40 years ago and still going strong today: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h5ida9V5p6-5hps.html
@hippa2dahoppa2
@hippa2dahoppa2 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the info. im trying to learn about recoating mine just bought a metal roof house. these contractors are fucking liars i talk to
@Brandon-no3vc
@Brandon-no3vc 2 жыл бұрын
Havnt you applied the asphalt aluminum coating before? I thought you liked that stuff
@davidstobie5373
@davidstobie5373 2 жыл бұрын
At 9.15 when you screw the sheets together and water comes out. Can this be due to condensation running down underneath the top sheet into the lap? Sealing the top surface of the joint keeps this water in. There is a reason why you should probably leave the lower edge of the lap joint open to drain. The alternative is to seal the top and the bottom of the overlap to keep the condensation out, making sure you use screws with washers to ensure the water tightness there as well.
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 2 жыл бұрын
I originally thought the same, that condensation is trapped one's I closed the seams. Come to find out that there is no condensation due to the insulation on the inside. If condensation was an issue, then all the seams would be leaking almost every day. So, I realized that the seams were so rusted because of the acrylic coating that trapped the water in, I then decided to clean every seam up and do a proper seal using Turbo Poly Seal and sometimes Super Silicone Seal
@bobbygetsbanned6049
@bobbygetsbanned6049 Жыл бұрын
Sooooo what do you to do a metal roof that's coating has worn off over time then? You can't just leave it uncoated or cover the entire roof with that poly seal stuff.
@jfarinacci0329
@jfarinacci0329 3 жыл бұрын
Your teachings are very good. Thank you.
@mautief-rylandhamlet1265
@mautief-rylandhamlet1265 3 жыл бұрын
I am wondering if it will work on my RV roof.
@travisyarbrough4033
@travisyarbrough4033 3 жыл бұрын
Elastomeric reflective Jetcoat will work the best
@eastside0434
@eastside0434 10 ай бұрын
Enduris coating has served me well.
@GerbenWulff
@GerbenWulff Ай бұрын
Interesting topic. I plan to paint my roof with a white acrylic paint like that. There is a difference though. I see that you had ice underneath the paint. My house is in the tropics where I NEVER have ice formation. I think the melting and freezing of ice (which causes expansion) is a major cause for the paint to be pulled off the roof. Even if it would affect the durability of my roof, it's probably worth it painting my roof, because of the aircon energy I can save from painting it white. I do have a lot of expansion and contraction from the hot sun, but perhaps the white paint can help to reduce that expansion a bit.
@elvtorin4800
@elvtorin4800 3 жыл бұрын
Is there anything you can put on metal roofing or basically just leave it natural the way you buy it would anybody happen know
@hippa2dahoppa2
@hippa2dahoppa2 2 жыл бұрын
man im trying to figure out the same thing. from what i find is you need a roof coating, not a roof paint. you need either fiber aluminum roof coating, or elastomeric coating. itll be silver. i do see some really nice metal roofs around me that are red that look flawless. so there has to be something out there. it seems if the metal isnt prepped right while its made then no coating of anything will survive on it
@davidstobie5373
@davidstobie5373 2 жыл бұрын
​@@hippa2dahoppa2 Zinc based primer to protect steel roofing, and top coat after thorough preparation. Don't seal up overlaps. These should drain due to gravity..
@RAYBEIGY
@RAYBEIGY 2 жыл бұрын
I want use flex seal max for my patio roof that is metal..what do you think of that.??
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 2 жыл бұрын
You miss the point. Any sealant is not equal to others, and the Fleece is the secret to the strength
@joshuaatkins5197
@joshuaatkins5197 3 жыл бұрын
Was looking to use a product like this on the roof of my ol suburban. Silicon then?
@angryhands9564
@angryhands9564 3 жыл бұрын
Use 100% silicone white roof coating like from gaco
@joshuaatkins5197
@joshuaatkins5197 3 жыл бұрын
@@angryhands9564 I ended up going with a product from Sherwin Williams called bond-plex. Even had it matched to my paint color. Holding up so far.
@adamcoronado5447
@adamcoronado5447 4 жыл бұрын
Acrylic coatings are great for metal roofs. Like you mentioned in your videos, it's all about preparation. They obviously didn't prep this one. In California some contractors use a seam tape that has a peel and stick backing and polyester surface. Once that's installed over seams and voids we apply acrylic gel and then after it's cured we apply lMetacrylics coating. That particular Astec didn't fare too well in Ca. Too much ceramic in the formula and lots of what you see there. I enjoy your videos 👍🏽. Keep them coming.
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment
@xephael3485
@xephael3485 Жыл бұрын
Acrylic is horrible, especially on metal. Don't be delusional.... or be delusional and paint your car with acrylic because you think it's so great.
@Crazyman1212
@Crazyman1212 3 жыл бұрын
It depends too on who installs it. I worked for one roofing company that had put put on the coating that needed 16 hours minimum dry weather and we slapped in on 2 hours before the rain came.
@Jonathanaymond
@Jonathanaymond 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta love hacks
@sebastiandelmaro
@sebastiandelmaro Жыл бұрын
I would highly recommend going back with the same type of screws it’s not very practical to use anything else on a roof
@GSXGoldSecuredCurrency
@GSXGoldSecuredCurrency 3 жыл бұрын
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. ARE YOU SOUTH AFRICAN? DEFINATELY HAVE THE ACCENT. SO IF YOU DONT RECOMMEND ACRYLIC PAINT WHAT PAINT IS BEST FOR ZINC ROOFS? COMMENTING FROM SOUTH AFRICA
@markandersonsa
@markandersonsa 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same and have the same question 😃
@pinkiedlamini7298
@pinkiedlamini7298 3 жыл бұрын
Me too searching comments for something local
@onenikkione
@onenikkione Жыл бұрын
Just like some of the under coatings sprayed under cars on the frame. Some just trap the water & salt causing it to rot out faster.
@mayte8018
@mayte8018 3 ай бұрын
And whats the black stuff you put??
@revivalist7777
@revivalist7777 4 жыл бұрын
What about 3 course on the seams and using silicone based coatings?
@universeusa
@universeusa 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot. You have saved my hard-earned $$$. You are a good man!
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
You welcome Jake - If metal roof owners only knew about coatings and not just listen to salespeople selling a product that would compromise the metal roof
@universeusa
@universeusa 4 жыл бұрын
Flat Roof Doctor , thanks again! 👍👏👌
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
@@universeusa You are welcome
@universeusa
@universeusa 4 жыл бұрын
Flat Roof Doctor , 👍👌👏
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
@@universeusa What are you doing so up early on a Sunday morning? Have a nice day
@inmerhernandez2115
@inmerhernandez2115 3 жыл бұрын
Im apply primer coating Idont have problem like this .now my point is roof coating is not for ever
@tigeryee7578
@tigeryee7578 3 жыл бұрын
Hi flat dr EPDM install 6 years what is best roof sealant for EPDM thank you.
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
I recommend Super Silicone Seal on all the seams. Watch this video to see why kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qd6IdbZh25nMho0.html
@kevinwaller6353
@kevinwaller6353 3 жыл бұрын
ER300 hands down. I am totally against using silicone but a lot of people use it. Coat the entire roof with ER300 and there will not be any seams anymore.
@jordyhumby
@jordyhumby Жыл бұрын
This Guy is Amazing. I cant imagine the idiots who put the coating on it and how the owners were looking for a Man who Knows His STUFF!
@Rondogardener
@Rondogardener Жыл бұрын
I have a Galvalume roof and would never just slap an elastomeric coating on it without surface prep. I would first spray it with a bleach solution to kill mold and bacteria, rinse, and then make a dop stick by stuffing an old athletic sock inside another one and zip-tying it to the end of a screw-type wooden rake replacement handle. I would get a gallon of Ospho rust converter and saturate the dop stick and dop each screw, twisting the stick to get thorough coverage. I also would seek out any rust (generally not a problem unless you let the roof go way too long before taking action). I would then use aluminized fibered roof coating to cover each screw and seam before applying elastomeric coating. I would then wait several days until the coating had cured and then apply two coats of elastomeric coating, letting the first coat dry thoroughly.
@andilegumede2481
@andilegumede2481 3 жыл бұрын
Dankie Oom. Lekker bly.
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
Hoe gaan did ou maat. Ek probeer maar om mense te wys wat ek weet en ondervind het in al my werke. Ek is bly on een Suid Afrikaner hier raak te loop. Na 40 jaar in hierdie land het my Afrikaans geroes. lekker bly Naas
@finausoqo3680
@finausoqo3680 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this. A friend mentioned he used marine primer on his roof. Does that work?
@gabbythetoymaker1400
@gabbythetoymaker1400 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of my friends that live out there tell me I should move out there because I'll make them Fortune and that's a lot easier but all the red tape then it is here in Chicago it's also good to have friends out there
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Gabby, never fear. It is true that it is a better economical place in Connecticut than the rest of the country, but everyone knows about it and then this place gets flooded from people all over the country. I think wherever you are you should make the best out of it. The secret is to be the best in what you do. There are so many so-called roofers that mess up where you are, that when you are the best, you will stand out and get a name quick. people talk and refer. So, become the best and then you will have a name that people recognize. But most of all, honor God and give Him the credit and praise for everything that happens with you and you will be surprised how things start to turn around.
@hezekiahwells2636
@hezekiahwells2636 4 жыл бұрын
I have been coating roofs for 21 years and I agree with everything you have said . What I like to do is use Polly seal and then coat with asphalt aluminum ,just because asphalt aluminum makes it look nice and you can't see all of the patches and because it is a very thin coating ,asphalt based coating it wears away and doesn't peal but it must be non fiber . Any silicone, acrylic or elastomeric I have ever used has failed horribly within 5 years and would have been better off to not do at all. Also asphalt aluminum does great on rusty areas ,I have coated roofs that have been on over 18 years it doesn't stop leaks but it wasn't designed for that but it makes a nice top coat.
@seaseeker3499
@seaseeker3499 4 жыл бұрын
so the asphalt is just for aesthetics ?
@sirjohnahayfalcon
@sirjohnahayfalcon 2 жыл бұрын
does the asphaly aluminum work on shingles and or bitumen? Thanks
@srcroofingllc3053
@srcroofingllc3053 Жыл бұрын
You obviously do not know how to properly prep and use silicone and acrylic coatings.
@dylanclay2741
@dylanclay2741 Жыл бұрын
@@seaseeker3499 no roof coating is supposed to stop leaks , they are to protect the roof from uv rays. You have to fix the leaks before using any coating
@willthompson7107
@willthompson7107 2 жыл бұрын
It's called washing very well and priming all your bolts and edges then coming through and spraying it correctly alot of painters don't know the proper way to spray always spray your corners and edges first similar to cutting in maybe 3 panels then come back and spray your face surface I've sprayed many metal roofs and never got a call back it's all about taking your time and taking pride for your customers
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 2 жыл бұрын
You are correct, but margin for error is to great on big roofs. Almost impossible to guarantee that every screw and seam would be properly prepped
@bradbaker5713
@bradbaker5713 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I buy the poly seal from?
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
bergstromm.com/
@chucky387y
@chucky387y 3 жыл бұрын
Is liquid rubber as good as turbo polyseal?
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
I think Liquid Rubber has a Silicone Base. IIf it is, then I would not recommend it.
@jessesanchez2342
@jessesanchez2342 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a lot of work !
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 2 жыл бұрын
Fixing any mess is more work than doing it right from the start
@steha5226
@steha5226 4 жыл бұрын
I have a metal roof about 40 years old, the nails are not working anymore and I need to install screws, what would you recommend? A screw with a rubber gasket? THanks
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the late reply. Yes screws with a neoprene washer will do.
@ifyouvote.5005
@ifyouvote.5005 Жыл бұрын
RIP that man
@Justin-Outdoors
@Justin-Outdoors 2 жыл бұрын
The metal roof on my garage is over 50 years old. Has original coating. No holes no leaks. Leaving it alone
@outherebear
@outherebear 3 жыл бұрын
What do you to on a 30 year old metal roof that the original coating is starting to degrade? Change out the roof? It is a very high end metal design.
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
I am not an expert on metal coatings. But, I suggest you research how to go about treating metal roofs where the galvanized or paint is starting to come off. What I am showing in this video is that spraying a latex coating over a metal roof will cause problems. The biggest problem are the seams. As soon as you coat over a seam, that will trap water eventually causing it to accumulate between the panels causing rust. Also we found that the coating was not adhering around every screw and water ended up penetrating that part of the coating causing the metal to rust around the screw. What we did was to remove the old coatings around the screw with an angle grinder and steel brush and dabbed the screw with Super Silicone Seal or Turbo Poly Seal. This works very good. The cleaning of each screw is critical. We also removed the screws on the seams, separated the seams, painted Turbo Poly Seal with fleece 4" up between the seams and also 4" below the seam. Then waited for this to dry and then screwed the panels back down unto the cured Turbo Poly Seal. So this would prevent any water that gets trapped between the seams to cause rust. Call me a "hack" but for $20,000 per 400 foot seam, saved the roof that would cost $400, 000 to replace.
@outherebear
@outherebear 3 жыл бұрын
@@FlatRoofDoctor thanks for the reply.
@marieshawn8590
@marieshawn8590 3 жыл бұрын
what do you think of Calbar products?
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 3 жыл бұрын
Have no idea what that is
@marieshawn8590
@marieshawn8590 3 жыл бұрын
@@FlatRoofDoctor It has itś own website. I think itś elastomeric
@dylanclay2741
@dylanclay2741 3 жыл бұрын
@@marieshawn8590 don't buy any type of acrylic , silicone or elastomeric coating. They ALL will crack in a few years , trap water and rot your roof away. Take it from me who had to spend over $5,000 on a new roof.
@teddillon2213
@teddillon2213 Жыл бұрын
Roof was not cleaned properly before wrong acrylic coating was installed. Should have used silicone. Best to fill flutes and install a TPO membrane roof using the Rino Bond method of attachment.
@hippa2dahoppa2
@hippa2dahoppa2 2 жыл бұрын
im new to metal roofs just bought a house with one and its a bit rusty. i dont have regular paint on it only the silver metal. what your talking about is someone painting the roof a color right? your not talking about elastic or fibered aluminum coating right? because i have some surface rust and im almost positive i need it brushed off and recoated with one of the 2. this house is 100 yrs old
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 2 жыл бұрын
I think the best bet is to use non fibered Aluminum asphalt coating by Karnak
@davidstobie5373
@davidstobie5373 2 жыл бұрын
Protect it with zinc paint not aluminium/asphalt. Zinc chemically protects the steel from rusting. Then top coat to protect from UV. Could use Aluminium asphalt on top.
@hippa2dahoppa2
@hippa2dahoppa2 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidstobie5373 all this makes my head want to explode lol. trying to find contractors has been ridiculous. and my quotes are anywhere from 1000 to 14k. between trying to find what coating to use and whats a good price im going insane
@juangaytan8467
@juangaytan8467 3 жыл бұрын
Sold in 5 gal?
@chananon8120
@chananon8120 Жыл бұрын
Poor guys freezing up there. He needs a work blanket & pillow 🤣😂😆
@isreal111982
@isreal111982 6 ай бұрын
the man is right, Coatings are a bad idea. Do it right the first time. replace the metal roof with a new metal roof. Coatings are a temperary fix at best. The cost of replacing a "coated roof" is substanially higher then an untouched one. It's like kicking the can a few years down the road, the problem does not go away.
@Condor1970
@Condor1970 8 күн бұрын
I would think something like a hard enamel would be better. Like Rustoleum, or even an epoxy paint of some sort.
@lawrencegal9019
@lawrencegal9019 4 жыл бұрын
this roof was not cleaned very well no etch primer and was over coated bad job
@CARLOSRUIZ-pe3mo
@CARLOSRUIZ-pe3mo 2 жыл бұрын
i have 900mt of metal roof and that black thing with time sun burs it and it turs like dust,,i clean everything and use a 20 year warranty silicon coating and its 6 years now and in perfect condition
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 2 жыл бұрын
You are correct. In most of the videos where I use Turbo Poly Seal, I do tell people to use Silver Coat Protection. It is a tougher product than Silicone. But, I also use Super Silicone Seal in many places, for that reason
@abidalius007
@abidalius007 2 жыл бұрын
How much do you charge for spot repair??
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 2 жыл бұрын
So, I made video that gives you an idea how long it takes to do 6 bays on a metal roof. Watch this video to see how long it takes and then you can decide how much is your time worth. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nZNodcl8ks69lIU.html
@rayc.9325
@rayc.9325 Жыл бұрын
I would have chemically treat the rust first to neutralize it. Grinding off thick rust and covering it up just looks good. The rust remains and grows again. IT is a band aid that looks good. The rust remains.
@cdrestorationandroofing283
@cdrestorationandroofing283 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but you don't know half of what you're talking about. The roof is rusted and cracked because the acrylic coating was never reapplied to spec and/or the roof wasn't prepped/coated properly. No coating will last forever and has to be reapplied/maintained on a regular basis. This is the guy that shows up to your job and tries to sell you a new roof for twice the cost. A roof restoration, done properly and maintained properly, will have none of the issues he shows
@porthard5951
@porthard5951 3 жыл бұрын
Good point.
@kevinwaller6353
@kevinwaller6353 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a roofing superintendent and I completely agree. It's obvious the roof was not prepped/coated properly.
@paulyjeffery6610
@paulyjeffery6610 3 жыл бұрын
He was wrong on 90% of everything he said this is a “know it all do it my self type guy”
@chucky387y
@chucky387y 3 жыл бұрын
I dunno mate. The expand/contract cold/heat has dragged the coating at the base of the valley away from the corner where it starts rising to a ridge. A lot of pressure there and an unfavourable angle for the coating to resist getting pulled away from the iron - I can see how this could happen no matter how good the prep. I suspect corrugated iron would not have this issue.
@AutoMotivate
@AutoMotivate 3 жыл бұрын
However, the roof is already so far gone. So, you assumption of him trying to sell a new roof is incorrect.
@ameraljabr405
@ameraljabr405 2 жыл бұрын
Silicone coating fits dry and hot areas more since it’s UV resistant
@barryinn1778
@barryinn1778 3 жыл бұрын
Installed galvalume metal on my shop bought metal from Mullers of Port Allen, La. it is cracking all up like spider web pattern. Has rotted all my framing on a area 8x20 ft. plus ext. wall. It is junk, never will install it again. This product is what I need until I can install a new roof.
@beardedbowhunter6139
@beardedbowhunter6139 3 жыл бұрын
The metal cracked?
@user-ns9cf1no7y
@user-ns9cf1no7y 3 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me how to replace a skylights on a metal roof that is 50 years old? I cannot find a pattern that matches the old metal roof
@aproofingsolutions3923
@aproofingsolutions3923 3 жыл бұрын
I think I would have brought the poly up over the sides
@randallsmerna384
@randallsmerna384 3 ай бұрын
Thats why I prefer a petrolium based coating.
@darronsanderson4837
@darronsanderson4837 3 жыл бұрын
How well is it against keeping heat from entering an RV?
@nelsonsantos770
@nelsonsantos770 Жыл бұрын
What about flex seal?
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor Жыл бұрын
What about it?
@andrewbeaudry9705
@andrewbeaudry9705 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on your opinion on flat roof safety barriers?
@FlatRoofDoctor
@FlatRoofDoctor 4 жыл бұрын
Hu Andrew. I am not an expert on any safety stuff. I don't follow OSHA rules on roof safety because it is impractical. I would be out of business if I had to set up a safety thing every time I do something on a roof. Residential roofs are to small to setup safety flags and barriers. On commercial roofs, to have flags with a safety line 5 ft from the perimeter is impractical. Putting a harness and then tie yourself down because I am going into the 5 Ft zone of the perimeter does not make sense. Anyway, I admit that I had close calls falling off a roof several times and flag lines would have prevented that. But not 5 ft form the perimeter. Anyway, it is such a big subject that it would be impossible to try and discuss it here. Anyway, thanks for your comments Naas
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