Why NOW Is the Time to Get Into Independent Watches - INTERVIEW With Pietro From TheLimitedEdition
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This week’s episode is an exclusive interview with independent watchmaking guru, Pietro Tomayer, founder of TheLimitedEdition - and an in-depth discussion on independent watches, including F.P.Journe, Kudoke, Laurent Ferrier, Andersen, Czapek and MB&F.
Find out why independent watches and watchmakers are so popular, increasingly valuable, and at the very sharp end of high end horology. And Why NOW is the time for YOU to get into independent watches - BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
Pietro explains reveals what the up-and-coming brands to collect are and why they are so special, who the major players are, and how TheLimitedEdition is championship new watchmakers all around the world.
Episode includes:
Introduction to TheLimitedEdition
Interview with founder Pietro Tomayer
Guide to independent watches & watchmaking
Tips for best independent watches to buy
Chapters:
00:00 Opening montage
00:41 Hello and welcome
01:18 Titles
01:26 Pietro from TheLimitedEdition
01:48 Wrist Watch Check - Laurent Ferrier Micro Rotor
02:20 Wrist Watch Check - Rashid Tsoroev
03:04 How was TheLimitedEdition formed?
09:13 Tips for up-and-coming independent watches
18:03 What watch has really impressed Pietro?
19:59 Most outrageous watch?
22:23 What are TLE customers like?
23:17 What are you most proud of?
25:44 Thanks for watching
26:08 Closing titles
Each week, your host, Damian will reveal another watch from his collection and talk about its history, the buying story, its design, movement, value and allure. You’ll get an unboxing, stats, sumptuous visuals, and, most importantly - enthusiasm, information, and a real-world view from someone who actually owns these watches.
Thank you for watching
**NOTE - all watches featured are NOT kept at home addresses - they are safely locked up in bank vaults. **
Special thanks
Pietro @ The Limited Edition - + 44 08003457055
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Additional pr image © Compagnie Financiere Richemont SA
Additional video © 2021 Scottish Watches
Additional pr image © 2021 Graham
Additional pr images © 2021 MB&F SA
Additional pr images © 2021 Laurent Ferrier
Additional pr images © 2021 Kudoke
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@TGE 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on! Ferrier & Czapek are the ones for me. Pietro is brill - great episode.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers, my friend
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much mate.
@tockingwatches2377 2 жыл бұрын
I’m sincerely thankful that I was introduced to independent watchmaking two years ago. From H Moser and Parmigiani to my latest project with Stefan Kudoke, it’s been utterly enjoyable to develop these relationships and to partake in truly unique and inspired craftsmanship and pieces of art.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Right on
@richardman28 2 жыл бұрын
Damien, it's great you have got into independent watches and watch makers. This is where you will find rare and innovative watches. Handmade, creative and high end horology from these artisan. Much more value than the great hyped marketed brands. Pietro is a legend and thank you for your work, insight and bringing these independents to our attention.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@VmanStudioz 2 жыл бұрын
Awesomeness!!! Truly inspiring. I’ve been a pioneer of Indy’s, it’s amazing to see them rise and gather momentum into the mainstream. Keep doing these great tutorials; I love your channel! ps - No Moser on the review?!
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@eahmhelmoa Жыл бұрын
Thanks to episodes like these, I learnt alot about independent watch making and now I own few of them namely ophion, czapek and ming. And now preparing myself to buy few more such as kudoke and gronefeld
@TheWatchGuysTV Жыл бұрын
Fantastic
@tardis9905 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative! Thanks for making this video and sharing the interview with Pietro! In a way, this video is a Public Service Announcement on independent watch makers.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
The raise of the independents has been happening for a while but yes, it has become a big wave today and it is good to dig deep to understand better what is happening.
@kazochrymowicz3076 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing to see and listen to you both.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@ctboy4467 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview. I’ve purchased a LF and a Kudoke2 last year; after viewing this interview, I feel reassured that I chose these brands.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
I did too
@doctaab 2 жыл бұрын
Wow one of my favorite episodes and videos I have watched on KZfaq!
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, that is a big compliment, thanks a lot.
@helena_c3984 2 жыл бұрын
@@thelimitededition Thanks a lot Pietro. Can’t wait to visit your website.
@plmilligan Жыл бұрын
A great & enlightening video. It's opened my eyes to a new dimension of watch collecting. Great work & THANKS! 🙂👍
@TheWatchGuysTV Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@watchound.bernardo9738 2 жыл бұрын
What a great interview and editing. 👏👏👏 the questions were spot on.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@swirlcrop 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video. Watches are such an interesting topic.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@terryfenner8142 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Damian , exactly what puts this channel head and shoulders above the rest .. Learning about the different aspects of watches and watch collecting as well as looking at the lovely pieces that hide under the cuff of a certain black sometimes blue or green jumper … really enjoyed it .
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Damian is doing an incredible job. It is an honour to be on the channel.
@bekind1784 2 жыл бұрын
Great content. Surprised no reference to Greubel Forsey or Gronefeld. Enjoyable nonetheless!
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Good point Foody. We could have mentioned so many more. Gronefeld is impossible to obtain at the moment, they stopped taking orders altogether. On G&F we are doing really well and they are still, with some patience, atteinable. We could have mentioned so many more, such as Andreas Strehler, Van Der Klauww, H.Moser, Hautlence, Suhanov, Kari Voutilainen, Stepan Sarpaneva....so hard to condense so much in 30 minutes. But we may do more in future, hopefully. Thanks for watching.
@bekind1784 2 жыл бұрын
Thx again for the great content…I enjoy your work.
@eugenejohnson7755 2 жыл бұрын
Marvelous episode 👍👍👍
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@mrlume9475 2 жыл бұрын
Very good interview and refreshing video speaking with those in the know.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, glad you found it enriching.
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Damian for this spontaneous and insightful chat. It was a great way for us to reflect on where we come from, what we stand for and, perhaps, whereabouts we will be going in the future. Very grateful. Pietro.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@ffa5153 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for a great video. IMO, independent watchmaking is where it’s at. The one risk we should mention however is continuity. What will happen to brands like NHC (Calabrese) or BLU (Lederer) in a decade or so, is not clear. I hope sites like The Limited Edition or even the Naked Watchmaker can somehow play a role in helping collectors keep their prized timepieces ticking away.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s hope so
@newworldorder1425 Жыл бұрын
I started my independent watch collection few years ago. I'm a Christiaan Van Der Klauuw guy all my watches are from this brand but after watching this video I got curious with the brand Kudoke.
@TheWatchGuysTV Жыл бұрын
I’ve not heard of those watches, I’ll have to look them up
@newworldorder1425 Жыл бұрын
@@TheWatchGuysTV yes please do. theyre from netherlands and theyre masters in astronomical complications. i got the orion and ariadne. its so hard to research more about the company since its not well known eventhough hes famous in his country. but thats how i want my watch to be.... unique and i like to know that im the only guy in the room wearing a CVDK lol
@keithmclaren9226 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant episode and eye opening! Pietro is a great ambassador of the independents and hope you will have him on again. Something different and fantastic 👍
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lovely words. We are full of passion and patience. We could see this coming a long while back.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, Keith
@travelman158 2 жыл бұрын
Great content!
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@ozeskiman 2 жыл бұрын
Another fabulous Watch Guys episode. Damien takes us along while interviewing Pietro from thelimited, purveyors of independent watchmakers. They delve deeply into this relatively unknown genre. I was certainly educated having previously known very little about some of these brands, other than through previous episodes on the WGs. Definitely an eye opener. In fact I'm checking out the thelimited site right now. Thanks Damien, thanks Pietro.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, Tony - I hoped it would be enlightening in some way
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Really glad you enjoyed it. I hope our passion traspires.
@BG-ln7te 2 жыл бұрын
Great video m8. Absolutely massive jump in the channel. If possible, use this room as a decor for your other videos :)
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@cliffjames9275 2 жыл бұрын
A treasure trove of independent watch making knowledge and passion, thank you Damian & Pietro... 👉⌚👌
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
the pleasure is ours.
@owenthomas8156 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, very interesting. I’m definitely curious, I’d love to see some of these independent watches in the flesh.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Coming soon!
@JizzyNinja 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode, always love hearing from Pietro and hearing about these brands! Happy to hear he’s always on the lookout for more great indies out there!
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, Jizzy
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
There is so much to choose from, these days. Thanks for watching!
@yobgol 2 жыл бұрын
great interview. taking the mystery out of accessing watches is an important issue, and i'd like to see more and more being offered like they are at TLE.
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the appreciation!
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@tonysheabo 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, was disappointed that it came to an end! He’s a fascinating guy with almost as much enthusiasm as your good self!!
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Hence why I thought you all needed to meet him
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the kind words. Hopefully, there will be more soon.
@watches6340 2 жыл бұрын
That was a great video Damian, so tempted by the Czapek in particular, also great to see you out of the fireplace.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
You should! I'm considering it myself. And a Kudoke.
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Great brand to go for.
@Greggieboy76 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating chat, thanks Damian!
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@stevenwebb9861 2 жыл бұрын
Great video guys thank you.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Steven.
@almeladze 2 жыл бұрын
TheWatchGuys, hi, I know that you own a Louis Errard Alain Silverstein because you did a video on it in the past. I happen to be one of those 178 people who also own it. How is your watch performing in terms of accuracy? Is it losing or gaining time, and how much? Thank you!
@richardbartlett6932 2 жыл бұрын
Damian got me hooked on this watch too. I pit my name down and managed to get one of the second series. I don't wear a watch every day so can't verify on its accuracy . I suspect Damien has too many watches to wear it that often either but I love it and my other watches are now quite neglected.. to that point I fly to UK today and it's the only watch coming with me 👌
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! The watch is performing really steadily, considering it is a Sellita SW 500MPCa automatic, based on the Valjoux 7750 architecture. Very reliable.
@almeladze 2 жыл бұрын
@@thelimitededition I picked up the automatic reissue that came out this June. La Semaine is gaining time steadily - subjectively a couple of minutes a week ;( But it's based on ETA 2836-2. the monopusher chrono is SW500 but it is still sitting in a box so I can't say much about that one.
@kevinw62 2 жыл бұрын
That was a great episode Damian. Very informative. Thanks
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers, Kevin
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it Kevin. Hopefully there will be more soon.
@konstantin9615 2 жыл бұрын
Huge thank you for this episode!
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Huge thank you for watching :)
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
It was a pleasure! Thanks for watching.
@Watchugoton 2 жыл бұрын
Great informative video on some stunning pieces of art and something for anyone with a passion for watches. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👌🏻👍🏻🏴
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@henrywest7217 2 жыл бұрын
That was an excellent conversation 👏
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Henry
@kentan8235 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode Guys! Really very interesting and educational
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers, Ken
@morgan97475 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool & informative video. Thanks for introducing me to The Limited Edition.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Any time!
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
It is our pleasure. Thanks for watching!
@laurinbar3223 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool and interesting episode. I myself have one or the other indie. What I do ask myself is who does the service on the watches and where can one bring hem? I have th Kunono Tokyo Mori for example with a Myota movement and don't really want to ship It back to Japan. Maybe you can answer me this? Cheers!
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Laurin, the Miyota movement (Seiko) is easily serviceable in the UK, but any watchmaker with experience. But I would always follow the brand's recommended policy in this case. As per the artisanal indie watchmakers, they generally work in a way that allows experienced and trained watchmakers to be able to service any of their watches. But yet again, if the original watchmaker is still active, I would always recommend going back to the source. Pietro.
@hlash99 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video…more of this please!
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
You got it!
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Sure!
@Phil99330 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see your appreciation for independents!
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers, Phil
@edchang9521 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video/interview. What is your favorite independent? Cheers
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Hard to say. Chaykin was the one that most symbolized what TLE stands for.
@jeffhall3242 2 жыл бұрын
Another banger video. I learned a lot with this one 👍
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Cool 👍
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Really happy to hear that. Thanks!
@julianadams2206 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating dive into a whole new word of watch making. Refreshing to see and hear about Micro brands doing great work instead of more fetishising over established players tweaking their existing ranges.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@julianadams2206 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWatchGuysTV Oh I forgot to say, servicing of these smaller brand watches might this prove to be challenging without a dealer network. Still it’s great that they are rising up to challenge established luxury brands.
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
@@julianadams2206 Great point Julian. I have to say, with over 20 years of experience behind me, that artisanal watchmakers tend to operate like the old masters, they like to think that their timepieces would one day be in a museum or auction house, so they need to be repairable and serviceable by any trained watchmaker. This attitude comes mainly as most indie watchmakers were restorers at the beginning of their career, so they have learned first had that watchmaking is all about the transmission of knowledge. I hope this makes sense? Thanks a lot. Pietro.
@julianadams2206 2 жыл бұрын
@@thelimitededition Thanks Pietro, for answering this point. I sincerely hope that you will make a return appearance the Watch Guys channel again to discuss and display some more amazing watches with Damien and his many followers.
@MrBeard-et1yi 2 жыл бұрын
Now this was an awesome video!
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
The Beard seal of approval!
@MrBeard-et1yi 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWatchGuysTV yes! Lol
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much.
@Dragon_rls 2 жыл бұрын
Have to say most of these time pieces didn't appeal to me, even if they were more affordable. But I do appreciate the art, and skill that went in to creating them. Great video. Thanks guys.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
That’s just the tip of the iceberg - it’s more a primer just to spark your curiosity
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot.
@Dragon_rls 2 жыл бұрын
@@thelimitededition Sure thing. P.S. the grail of my 4 watch collection is an Oris Aquis cal 400.
@mikefry5704 2 жыл бұрын
Great vlog great watches very nice people enjoy.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@mikefry5704 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheWatchGuysTV always
@evh4611 2 жыл бұрын
I have my eyes on another independent brand. Nice video
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks.
@josephknecht4272 2 жыл бұрын
Laurent Ferrier watches are currently the best bargain in ultra-high horology, but not for much longer. Currently, the Laurent Ferrier waiting period is about a year but, from all accounts, it is inevitably climbing to two years. Get one now before these watches start selling at two to three times their retail price!
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that was the message we were trying to pass across. Thanks for your comment.
@chmm.wien2412 2 жыл бұрын
Louis Moinet was the Founder of the Chronometer in a Wristwatch and a Coworker by Breguet .
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Mr. Louis Moinet has been officially been recognized as the 'inventor of the chronograph'. Initially, it was Nicolas Riussec that took that title. George Graham is in the history books for developing the first machine that could 'measure the time', and as such, recognized as the 'Father of the chronograph'.
@richardbartlett6932 2 жыл бұрын
thanks Damien for once again opening up my horizons. if only my income matched my ambitions.. but then again I think unlimited budget puts you in the producer Michael league where collecting is a habit not a passion.. IMHO
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome, Richard
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
There is some pleasant and clever collecting to be made at all price points. From Raketa to Greubel&Forsey. It has to be fun, first and foremost.
@peterrandall3369 2 жыл бұрын
The most expensive 28mins of my life. A very nice Czapek keeps looking at me 👍
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
I know what you mean - I too have been tempted after this conversation
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
:)...the interesting thing about the indies, is that there is a value proposition at every price point. As the actual inner value of the watch is not miles apart from the retail price. And in some case it actually goes beyond it.
@brianjkelly1551 2 жыл бұрын
Now thats an interesting few minutes spent learning of the future stars of horology rather than another rose gold rolex video .
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it, Brian 👍
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
That was the idea :). Thanks a lot.
@andylong8229 2 жыл бұрын
That was epic. Variations of little machines that indicate time. As said by someone else, if you could possibly bring some to the channel. Awsome!.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
That would be cool!
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
We will do that soon, hopefully.
@ermir4444 2 жыл бұрын
From all these, i think Czapek has the biggest potential to go mainstream aka FP Journe.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
That and Laurent Ferrier
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Watch out for Kudoke, Armin Strom, Chaykin, Arnold&Son, Ludovic Ballouard, Raketa...
@APOSTA-pz7vs 2 жыл бұрын
Beat Haldimann for me...
@kimisami88 Жыл бұрын
Dude looks like a cross between hank azaria and christoph waltz
@TheWatchGuysTV Жыл бұрын
A cross between a comic voices genius and one of the most intelligent actors in cinema - nice 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@PocketWatchTime 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode. What’s your opinion of J.N.Shapiro as an independent watchmaker? Not much love for the rare American independent.
@TheWatchGuysTV 2 жыл бұрын
I have to confess I’ve not heard of it - but I’ll take a look now
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
We admire Shapiro's work. His slightly classic British reminiscent style and the references to George Daniels are a great way to talk about the historical links, that were very real in the past, between the British watchmaking tradition and the American's (often overlooked). I love the work that Josh does on his Guilloché dials, in particular. We are planning to shed some light on the contemporary American watchmaking tradition. We have a couple of interesting interviews on our channel with Dan Spitz, who is realizing the George Daniels approach of building every part of his watch in-house (literally IN HIS HOUSE) in the US. More to come.
@tuerkischermeister 2 жыл бұрын
it is too late for F.P. Journe; thanks to Watchbox, Laurent Ferrier has some room, MB+F is for .01 percent of all collectors, and Czapek just won't enjoy stardom right away just because they are associated w/ Patek etc...
@thelimitededition 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Czapek is already nearly oversubscribed. It happened real fast.
@ermir4444 2 жыл бұрын
@@thelimitededition The Antarctique took Czapek to another level. Maybe part of its success is because collectors cant get a RO or Nautilus, but i think the overwhelming reason is that it actually is the better watch. I have both the Antarctique and the RO 15500. The AP has the better bracelet and the bigger name on the dial, but the Antarctique is superior in every other category. The SXH5 is to die for.
@VmanStudioz 2 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree, I looked at a half dozen integrated sports watch models from all of the usual suspects including Lange. This Antarctique is no longer the hidden gem and delivers far above its weight and what you will find from Patek, AP, and VC in that price range! And - I just landed the Salmon dial. Boomshockalocka 🙏🏼⌚️
@j.burgess4459 2 жыл бұрын
Journe is a itch.... (It might mean going back to Pragnell - but I've kind of forgiven 'em now.)
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