Finally I found my people everyone I ask they don’t know about Kinnikuman and ultimate muscle

If it doesn't have this stuff then I don't care

Holy shit... xO

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I just found out about kinnikuman from a comment section of a Hokuto no Ken video. They said before Kenshiro and Goku, there was Kinnikuman the OG Shounen. So here I am, and already you mention a new anime on the horizon.

And uh, Africa is not a country...

Brazil mentioned

Based brazilian appearance uga buga

It doesn't even make sense. It's the Amazon, not Africa.

Literally made him have the ridiculous lips and made him throw a spear kinnikuman was wild

The hilarious thing is that they later had to get rid of Kuntaman, not for THE OBVIOUS REASONS, but because they thought it was a pun on “Kintama,” which means balls

And they immediately followed it with a gong for the Chinese Ramenman

@@superboomn I love how sometimes that's just assumed to be "a thing you can do." Like Robin Mask & Warsman come to the ring wearing LITERAL ARMOR & Big the Budō's entire deal seems to be "he's like 8' tall & really thick, but also he's wearing THICKLY PADDED KENDŌ ARMOR." Neptuneman, a Perfect Chōjin that HATES USING WEAPONRY, has HUGE SPIKES ON HIS OWN VEST that he literally uses as part of his signature move. One dude is just literally a Russian Fighter Jet. One dude is JUST A BIG 1,000 TON WEIGHT. And despite all that, Rāmenman starts as a psychotic violent murderer (ostensibly the most powerful of the Brutal Chōjin), grows as a character, becomes a trusted & powerful friend, a victim of severe disability & faced with not only losing his whole career, but living a life incapable & begins traveling the world like Dr. Strange just to find a cure... And he still has a Fu Manchu & huge slits for eyes. HE EVEN GOT HIS OWN SPIN-OFF, which is just his ancestor, VICTORY RĀMENMAN, who walks the Earth like Cain from Kung Fu & fights bandits. He looks EXACTLY the same as Rāmenman

​@@MisterSynyster I missed the memo that it was his ancestor in the spinoff and fully accepted ancient China in the modern kinnikuman universe 🥴

Just about every modern Shonen trope exists because of this series.

​@@TimeLord675 that and Hokuto No Ken

​@@crawlingboyand saint seiya

They were notable hard to survive indeed.

​@@DarkDragonRus just take the like and go

Hum, eu acho que trocaram agente pelos africano

Exactly, even the Japanese make fun of themselves like how every character in Punchout wii is a stereotype including Mike

Siempre me pregunté por qué no lo continuaron

*Chile

YO SOY MUY FIEL AL ESTOFADO DE CARNEEEEE

American egocentrism

Brocken Jr also had a lot of nazi iconography to him including an image of him wearing a swastika t-shirt. It's just as the story went on the creators thought I'd be messed up if one of the main heroes was a nazi so they retconned him to be a generic German soldier. Also fyi Brocken Jr isn't Jaegers dad. That's just something 4kids made up for some reason.

Agree

Exactly! It's not offensive at all, just outlandish LMFAO 🤣

And when everyone's offended! No one will be😈

As someone who has used ALOT of edgy humor…we gotta stop this way of thinking. No one has the right to dictate what isn’t offensive to someone. What may not be offensive to one person may be offensive to the next and we have to acknowledge AND respect that. Instead of the “if it’s offensive to everyone then no one can be offended” nonsense that people try to justify and actually use as a way to try and shield themselves from accountability when someone calls them out on their overly edgy, racist, sexist, ect bullshit.

No... It really does not work like that....

Doesn't work when your stereotypes are considered just being normal caucasians

But wasn't jus the sequel "Kid Muscle" the famous one there? The original wasn't popular for what I know.

@@hicehamer1337here in Chile both has subs versions. I remember watching kinikuman in nacional televition and kid muscle in Fox kids. Those where the days

@@hicehamer1337 Both shows got dubbed.

Shille = Shitle

So Senator Armstrong?

Guile?

Nah real Americans ain't that cool

It's hard to make a stereotypical character when you know nothing worth noting about the country, haha. The age before the internet.

Ramenman becomes one of top characters later on, tho. He even got his own anime back in 80's with positive Ancient China representation.

Why? Why is Amazonman an *African* stereotype? I'm offended they didn't offend me properly.

I mean, Ramenman ended up being a pretty awesome character later on.

Brocken! Brocken! Brocken!

@@neuronoc.7343 Ramenman is the guy that Piccolo thinks he is.

And Brocken, well, he lived up to his name. And his son ended up being an interesting character

@@neuronoc.7343 As someone who actually watched this thing, Ramenman DID start out as a goofy, stereotype-ish character, sure. But that was back when Kinnikuman was goofy, and before the second Choujin Olympics which got MUCH more serious as it went on. Dude got his brain stabbed by Warsman and came back a far more serious character and strong ally of Kinnikuman. Ramenman straight up became one of the biggest stars of the series.

America isn't a country.

​@@renatoramos8834 It's a feeling

Whatever is needed for jokee

Isnt it obvious? they're from Argentina, I mean lots of them are there.

Like japan would know what was going on with their former allies. They weren't taught to regret that history and still deny stuff like nanking

​@@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881which, while deplorable, is arguably better than the west. Look at us, taking down statues of Lincoln because "he wasn't enough of a freedom fighter" and substituting them with what would pass as a racist caricature (seriously, have you seen the statues to the "african american spirit"? Those are absolutely insulting!

​​@@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180 saying the denying, covering up of confirmed mass grape and honoring of confirmed war criminals as heroes on their sacred ground is arguably not as bad as tearing down and putting up statues is such a hot take

​@@megafadeshin9925no it is and the criminal statistic speaks for itself.

Understandably, Toei Animation didn’t want to offend the grumpy Japanese bluenoses too much; which is why the Kinnikuman anime was broadcasted with scenes considered more appropriate for Japanese tweens (than for American tweens).

the irony is that it's kinda worse in the anime bc RamenMan essentially eats the guy alive instead (by turning him into noodles)

And they were totally right

@@TheZetsubouBilly i saw him get BROCKEN in half, then eaten, then his son gets eaten

@@1e0isfdkorblpgOh, my, GOD! You are LITERALLY HITLER!!! /S

That’s the least crazy thing here, that’s just something that happened irl lol

I thought those chambers were a bad decision 😂

What's the problem? It's just fiction. 😏

Drawn Together could not be done today.

@@alfredosaint-jean9660 Drawn Together is "today", the finale aired just one decade ago. Though I guess if youre 14 years old thats alot of time. Besides this argument is always gonna be inherently retarded in a world where South Park and Family Guy are still airing. They even rebooted Beavis & Butthead by now.

lol the nazis mainly... and the cookie-cutter chinese caricatures xD i only kept the context of the guard looking british and dallas cowgirls to illustrate that literally every nationality/ethnicity in the series was stereotyped Still love the series but oh boy... Im no authority on the matter but I can only assume dub companies look at the series and go "yikes no thanks" - they'd have to censor the hell out of it!

@@Jezzikinz amen to that. Even I would probably have been offended back in the day.

There is also a Native American wrestler in the series named Geronimo, who also played into the stereotypes (tho interestingly he did replace Brocken Jr. in the NES M.U.S.C.L.E. game, replacing a German Nazi stereotype with a Native American stereotype). His name was changed to Beetle Bomb and he was turned from a Native American to a Brit in Ultimate Muscle. I always hated that change but now I understand why that change was made, tho still not a fan of it

@@FatMarioHeads Geronimo got done dirty in the series, he should be the strongest chojin in history but he jobs constantly and pathetically, but he won against a god recently so i hope this changes.

I know,right? It got so much wrong that it is hilarious

As a german i can understand that

Ramen man was voiced by a Japanese man at least

Including them

I mean, people pick the same things about a culture to make fun of. Chinese family languages are tonal, so they sound funny to non tonal languages like English and Japanese. They ahve a funny conical hat. They have narrow eyes. They like fumanchu moustaches at one point in history so that means everyone has them always. They wore the queue at some point in history so that means everyone has them always. You dont have to be western to notice these things, even if some of those things apply to you too.

​@@Jmerzio I mean its funny given that everything Japanese or korean falls under the sino sphere of civilization japan even had hundreds of forgien clans originating in china and chinese wasn't always tonal i think old to middle chinese is somewhat closer to today's japanese and both japanese and han chinese also have the predominant features of "narrow eyes" (I mean it just says more about japan being under the influence of western hemisphere if all).

Brockenman alone sealed it's fate if we're being honest

🤣🤣

But it all changed when Fire nation attacked... Wait...

Kinnikuman el increíble hombre músculo, vamos, vamos, músculo!

Tequila gundam is national hero

If I had the money, I'd get the 4Kids crew in to see how they'd cut it

Is it uncut?

​@@gentlemangoldenfreeza3879 mostly

​@@gentlemangoldenfreeza3879 pretty much

@@gentlemangoldenfreeza3879 the first time they broadcasted the show it was censored. But there was a Time it was uncut on tv.

more like buck teethed

Yes you are right. They actually had bubble economy back then.

Yeah, and considering that Terryman is the most positive portrayal of an American in a Japanese cartoon I can think of, it is pretty wild.

@@MDonuT-of7px If I remember correctly many of the characters are also based on real life wrestlers. Terryman for example was based on Terry Funk as when he wrestled in Japan he was clean shaven and a baby face. It's funny considering that Terry Funk was a major heel for a big part of his career and had his signature facial hair here in the states.

@@thexxwatcherxx Yeah, after Kinnikuman got me into real life pro wrestling, I watched a couple Funk matches and that shit was WILD!

Why would they even mock themselves?

​@@RAINMAKEEER The same reason American cartoons like South Park, The Simpsons, and many other cartoons mock the US. They have racial humor, but it's balanced with a jab at their own people once in a while, and it crosses the line so much that it goes back to being funny. I'm all for stereotypes if it's fair game, but it has to include your own.

There's literally weird Japanese guy on 0:41

@@РевольверВалентайн Weird, but not stereotypical. There's a difference.

Did you even watch the show? Japan takes tons of blows between Kinnikuman and Wolfman’s appearance

Kinnikuman anime is boutta drop and this is the shit they're going to have to adapt

And cut every scene of Brockenman (and Jr) 😂

In Spain it get also dubbed in catalonian.

In the manga Kuntaman can lift a 2-ton kaiju with his super cock

It's the "4,000 years of history" line that seems the most bitter. It's such a common point of derision in Japanese media, and I'll be honest, I'm not sure why. It's like how the Yakuza games depict Koreans as biologically prone to evil, it's friggin' wild.

​@@kazumahazeuzumaki Korea is barely depict in anime, even K-pop song is not in OP or ED. Yet there's Korean in Yakuza games, can you give me some name?

Actually Ramenman becomes one of top characters in Kinnikuman, the wise fighter arthetype and even gets his own anime... or rather, anime about his ancestor from Ancient China.

Chinese and Japanese are the same race. How can they be racist against one another?

@@kingstarscream320read a book. Chinese and Japanese don’t consider themselves as the same. Race is an arbitrary social construct in many cases

East Germany is Best Germany, also, all former Nazis worked for the West

This is from the 80's where actual ex-national socialist still have jobs and positions in west Germany.

I think they were just making fun of Germans... Even in America today I still see stereotypes like that against Germans "You're German? Must be a Nazi!"

​@@Jezzikinz nazis get a bad rap

Come on ... Is it about wrestling? YES! Are gimmick always history acurate ? NO ... Are there any correlation between heel and Nazi ? Hmmm?

The most bizarre thing is that Yudetamago only created Kinnikuman, Meat-kun and Terryman. The other choujin were fan submissions.

@@1970sau GEE I WONDER WHY/s nah bro u aint defending nazi 😂