I am actually shocked that I’ve been fighting for things like unlimited sprint and yet you just convinced me in 10 minutes that I’ve been thinking backwards all this time.

I’d like to add that if you wanted to get extended mags (which increases most 30 round guns to 45). You lost access to optics and a suppressor without Bling. Using Bling would prevent you from using Marathon, Scavenger, Slight of Hand, and One Man Army. TRADE-OFFS BABY

I think the biggest thing for me when it comes to memories of playing older CoD’s, Battlefield etc. is that I used to just play for the game itself and for fun. Nowadays so many multiplayer games are just about ranking up through a season, and leveling your battlepass and such. It no longer feels like you just play a game to enjoy the game itself but instead you’re constantly just trying to progress through tiers and whatnot to keep up and keep earning new content, cosmetics etc. it’s one of the main reasons I hardly play MP games anymore, they’re all becoming the same thing.

In total: important tradeoffs make you care, along with more map and weapon identity

I mean every game that’s less sweaty is more laid back, chill, and fun. Sweat lords these days just ruin most games.

Old cod: Broken AF, but fun New cod: Broken AF, but HD

That intro was absolutely golden! But I 100% agree that the lack of trade offs really make you a one man army with no consequences when before you had to adjust your class for what you wanted to be stronger in

I think the jump mechanic needs to be completely removed. You should only be able to vault over obstacles

Intro was great. Good takes in general, but I think you missed out on a key point when talking about ammo management, the fact that you ran out. If you’re on a streak in old games, you didn’t just die when you were on a streak with no ammo, you picked up a gun off the ground. I think in Cold War and vanguard, I’ve never once intentionally picked up a weapon off the ground unless it was a weapon I was leveling with maxed out attachments. Running out of ammo in your ACR and slinking around the map with a PP2000 until you could get your hands on a solid gun your enemy dropped was a special feeling, you have vulnerability. Modern cods have so much weapon variation that if you run out of ammo and need to pick up a new gun, it could be great, it could be awful, it could be frustrating, but it’s never as easy as tightly crafted weapons with only one recoil plot that you’ve used since prestige 0 and can comfortably use with no attachments. Go back to using a base M4 in modern warfare, or a base mp5. They’re awful. Hopefully the next modern warfare can manage to keep everything similar enough that adding attachments is playstyle specific and keep the bones of the weapon the same, while in vanguard, your SMGs function like LMGs and you have assault rifles with dead instant sprint out time and hip fire cones that of a single pistol. Leave a niche for each weapon

Weaker sbmm and non disbanding lobbies is a big factor. Hit scan was better for MP imo.

This video was like a giant weight getting lifted off my chest. I'm so glad SOMEONE understands the intricacies of why the old games worked so much better than the new ones.

While I agree with your point about extended magazines on ARs making LMGs redundant, something that I did appreciate from MW is that most ammo conversions had fairly limited magazine capacities and didn't really have any extended magazine options, which kind of helped with keeping their identity. In contrast, ammo conversions in Vanguard usually both buff your stats and your magazine capacity at the same time, pretty much turning them into straight upgrades. There's no reason for the Whitley to have 80 rounds by default but 150 rounds with the .50 BMG conversion

Yeah also in the first modern warfare which is cod4 modern warfare you could have 1 attachments and if that attachment was a grip or a launcher it took a whole peel from you. Same with equipment. Equipment was an actual perk. If you wanted claymores say goodbye to your launcher. If you wanted 3 stun Granades say by to your claymores launchers or extra ammo. Dead silence was a perk and a great one but you could still hear it. It was just really difficult to hear especially if you didn’t have it yourself because your own footsteps would cover it. If you wanted to shoot through walls there was no fmj in cod4 it was a perk called deep impact and it meant you couldn’t have other perks in that slot. It was just a system back then. Limited doesnt always mean bad. Just giving the player everything makes the game unbalanced and very boring.

You have actually talked about the real issues of the newer games rather than the arguments people continue arguing about their hatred for the new games that have been around since COD 4. People need to find a core argument like this rather than blame SB-MM and other problems that have been player based.

MW3 was not only my first COD game, but it was my first ever Rated M game. So it holds a pretty special place in my heart. I have huge nostalgia for it's main campaign and honestly if it gets remastered, i'm probably gonna end up buying it.

I recently bought my first pc capable of running warzone full HD at 60+ fps At first while dying a lot i thought I'm just bad. Later I realised that's not the case People have so many things to help them out, even moving doesn't seem necessary, specially in games like plunder if you just want to grind XP. It takes the fun out of everyone like me who's just starting because i have died over 100 times before i unlocked enough shit to be able to dish back

The vid was actually thoughtful, which was a nice change of pace from other CoD content creators, but I think the MW2 marathon perk example was pretty weak considering factors like different spawn systems and maps compared to MW2019. I played a few MW2 matches on my PS3 (the very few that didn't have hackers) and I never felt like I spawned far away from the action and very rarely felt I needed marathon to get into the action quickly. As a matter of fact, I had a few times where I spawned right around the corner for a cheeky revenge kill, so the spawn system typically worked to keep me close, but not too close. The only time I felt marathon would be useful was when I played on large, flat maps like Derail and Wasteland. Also, the pro versions of SoH and Scavenger were way more useful in general play considering they increased ADS speed and gave multiple starting mags + refils, when players spawned with only 3 mags for their primary and that harmed guns with small mags (Scar-H) even more. Lightweight Pro was the rusher perk of choice since it allowed faster movement within the sprint window and decreased sprint out time without giving up powerful perks like SoH which had a bigger influence on winning gunfights than Marathon. Marathon worked to get you into the fight, but SoH and lighweight helped you survive fights.

Remember when tryhards and slide cancel drop shotters got made fun of now you get made clowned by the current players for not using the same 2 guns and playing the same as whatever streamer

Good points and editing 👏 I think you're right about the limited sprint(at least for BOtG cods) and smaller mags. Although I think tac sprint definitely tried to bring us back, but it needed a stamina bar. It needed to allow players to tac sprint longer distances too. I got this strange itch to load up mw2 now...

I liked the old games maps, but the feel of current cods feel better engine wise

The problem is that on top of the lack of management, the maps and minimap and last of dead silence as a perk make it a completely paradoxical meta.

I love this please continue with this series if this becomes a series

I think higher movement or reload speed penalties would be great to offset the extended mags

This was an awesome video and I really feel what you are saying. The no trade offs in current games has really made the game more dull and less engaging! There's a lot more that make the games not engaging but these no trade offs are a part of it

My favorite cods will always be: Black ops 2 Black ops 4 Modern Warfare (2019) loved ur video, subbed, great video man. 💯

>no running out of ammo Ultrakill is there but the trade off with unlimited ammo is that you only get 3 dashes and enemies are vicious against you

Suppressors debatably are even more powerful than extended mags in tandem with the fact there's unlimited sprint and little downsides of using one. The Shadowstrike suppressor literally has no downsides and all the upsides of a suppressor so it's almost always everyone's pick in a loadout. Not to mention suppressors add unpredictability to map flow. When 4-6 players on the enemy team are running suppressors, you don't know if they're rushing into the opium field in Afghan or camping the bunker on Wasteland.

they were so simple back then i wish they would do cod like that again

I've been liking the editing style in the last videos, it's cool man. Keep it up :)

This video can be summarized in one word: trade-offs

Well explained take on this matter and I agree on almost everything you said. I however enjoyed the unlimited sprint, since I come from playing mostly Quake so fast movement feels a bit more like home for me. Plus the extremely audible footsteps in MW feelt like a great skill-based restriction to sprinting for me.

Remember when they advertised the cod games like you could end up in a match with anyone

They just really needed to slow reloads down on the high capacity mags for weapons. Maybe give tou less overall ammo if you use them too imo.

You earned a like from that intro alone. Incredible👌👌

I think this is somewhat unavoidable. Back in 2009 MW2 was a game that clearly had a purpose for everything. Each perk has its purpose and each gun filled a unique role and there were trade offs for everything. Nowadays it just feels like for the sake of keeping the series going after 10 + years there just throwing whatever gimmick or crazy customizable option they can into the game for the sake of “new”. Not gonna point any fingers but I wanna say this trend to just throw new stuff into the game for the sake of being cool and innovative without actually considering how everything plays off of each other started with the target finder in Blops 2. It kinda just snowballed from there

Like that intro was actually funny and not just some silly windows movie maker effects great vid hahah

Thank you for this! I'm trying to compile why it is I don't like the newer cod games and you touched base on a lot of things I haven't heard yet.

Great job explaining the speed of the game made it more sweaty

I like the addition of unlimited sprint because to me it takes the wear off your thumb sticks but what I think they can implement to make it better is a duration of how long you can run and wait before you can start up again

This is probably one of the best takes I have ever heard of on Call of Duty.

I think a lot of it has to do with there being a more natural skill progression. The population of these games was in the millions. The likelihood of you encountering someone good was much lower, someone bad much higher, someone intermediate much higher. Your climb up the ladder was more natural, acquiring skills like jumpshotting, dropshotting, head glitching, etc. came with a progression in lobbies. There is no progression now, you're thrown into the brunt of it and expected to succeed. I am not advocating for SBMM that rewards bad players, I'm advocating for a game that attracts a massive audience, helps to maintain its player base, and nurtures its players without handing them a crutch.

something no one talks about that we take for granted is in mw2 snd you couldnt talk to the people alive when you died but you could talk to the enemy players who were also dead while both you and the enemies spectated their teamates. in mw 2019, when u die in snd, u can still talk to ur teamates that are alive. this changes the game completely.

In a nutshell most of us just wanted to have fun and weren't concerned about getting viral. Just good ol' trash talk on a Friday night.

Great vid Man I remember when suppressors took a lot away And you had to make your shots count You had to be stealthy Play smart They now add range 😑

Great video! I also think that adding in a meta and making only a small handful of guns used helped to make the game more boring. You add in a so many guns in MW 2019 for only the Grau, MP5, and Kar98K to be used in WZ. My friend has told me "if it's not meta don't being it around". I never used to think about meta I just used what I thought was cool and it worked

This is why I always looked forward to some form of ranked mode in each CoD game. It cuts the cheesiness from the game creating a more controlled environment where individual skill and teamwork matters more than creating a meta everyone is copying off KZfaq. Sure, half the sandbox is gone, but if that half made me want to blow my brains out every time I played against someone using it, good riddence.

Bringing back pick 10 (or maybe 12 due to the greater attachment options) would be a good compromise between new and old.

You hit a ton of good points. The slide into jumping(which when paired with unlimited sprint means you don't have to "plan" out when you can or can't do it) also speeds things up a ton. It makes people less scared to get shot because there's a chance they can slide cancel around the corner or push you far easier if you can't predict when the slide is also coming. The other one that is absolutely massive(especially combined with ammo limits in the old games) was simply how insanely strong aim assist has gotten. It got dialed up a fair bit with the start of the advanced movement CoDs to help track the flying targets better, and then they cranked it up more for for crossplay. Back in the day, you really had to make sure your aim was solid in order to mag dump, as the trade off of mag dumping was losing up to 1/4th your total ammo supply if you missed a ton, and it was simply harder to do. You couldn't effortlessly track targets at range like you can now. It lead to a lot more people taking single "peck" shots to make sure that they were lining up each shot to hit. The guns killed faster, but at range it really felt like unless the player was insanely good that you had way more survivability.

Holy moley this intro is glorious

One of my fondest memories are the infected private matches , infected had no throwing knives, the survivors had the ACR or MSR scavenger etc . 😌

Marathon Pro, Lightweight pro. Commando pro. USP.45 and tactical knife will forever be my best build and the most adrenaline rushing feeling.

They build these games around the sweatiest players and their favorite exploits. It'll be like Apex soon enough

This is an amazing video hopefully some cod devs see this

This video explains why I firmly believe that MW2019 and newer CODs are much better than MW2 and older CODs. More attachments and infinite sprint is much better than fewer attachments and limited sprint. At least to me it is. And by the way, I've been playing COD games since 2011. So I've played BO1, MW3, BO2 and onwards till Vanguard. I just simply like how these newer CODs make me feel more free and way less limited. P.S If souls games didn't have a stamina bar, then I would have most likely succeeded in completing one of them. God, those games are hard.

Spectacular video. It includes all of the nuances missing from the community at large. ps. MW19 visuals are still unsurpassed.

That intro was 🔥🔥

This guy nailed it . I couldnt have broke it down any better 👏 they got so caught up on ways to improve the game when all they needed to do was improve graphics and add maps .why change something thats already fine

as a person who has exclusively played the old modern warfare games, I am content with not buying the new cod titles

Older COD was better simply because of the shear variety between each player, skill and classes. Newer COD with SBMM determines whether you win or lose, Perks have little to no effect so all setup pretty much has same playstyle and 1500 attachments of each gun ensures all guns feels the same. Also its a misconception that newer causal COD players skill is higher then older causal COD players. The only different is the skill ceiling on newer COD has fallen to a point, that pressing the fire button would net you a kill.

I love this kind of objective discussion about multiplayer cod. That being said, I think that some other factors impact the overall "flow" of the game more than ammo and sprint (although they are very important). The combo of maps, respawn, movement, TTK and gunplay is what dictates the flow of the game. One very nice exercise to do is compare the same maps in different cods. For an example, the map Backlot. I remeber loving that map so much back in cod 4, the flow was perfect, some people were holding power positions, however the guns and TTK wouldn't let you beam somebody from across the map, so those positions weren't THAT dominating. So that would make it safe to other people rush around the map and engage in gunfights. However, the same map played AWFUL in MW2019. It was very, very campy. I belive the reason for that is the just like in minute 1:53 you can beam so quickly somebody from across the map with a red ping on top of the guy's head while mounting your weapon. Like, you just couldn't get this type of kill in cod4. Adding that with loud footsteps and clunky movement were it takes you 1 minute to ADS, you have a very campy gameplay. For me, just have a game with easy-to-read map flow, medium TTK, good movement (doesn't have to be advanced BUT IN THAT CASE YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT SO YOUR ADS AND SPRINT TO FIRE TIME IS VERY QUICK (I'm looking at you MW2 2022)) and good respawn that makes sense to the player.

I feel like the slower movements and the balanced gunplay is what made the old games fun. These new cod’s are so annoying to play now! You die so fast, the run to aim is fast, and every gun is a freaking laser. They need to make the gunplay much harder! You made a lot of good points.

It’s less sweaty because people just weren’t as good. All the years going by of course the average player is better than the average player back in 2011

P90 Was my favourite gun. When I first started playing I would run around with Akimbo P90

Not to mention the perk system and the ditching of Stopping Power and Juggernaut. In the MW2, you either ran Stopping Power (40% increase bullet damage) or Cold Blooded (invisible to enemy thermals and kill streaks). Almost everyone wanted that increased damage, until Blops 1 where they got rid of Stopping Power. Thats why there was such a problem with everyone using Ghost

SKILLS....NO slide...NO vaulting over everything...SKILLS this is when you needed SKILLS

Holy fucking shit... that intro was a nostalgia trip. LMFAO. I played cod4 and mw2... I didn't take cover... I ran into people full throttle... even when I ran out of sprint. I still play the same way I did back then lol. But I love unlimited sprint cause it makes my playstyle so much more fun lmao

what makes them better, you don't have to create and Activision account for the campaigns. you didn't have to pay to play for fun, they were free.

I think one of the biggest reasons is the kill streaks. A Nuke used to be part of the killstreak set, and you could use other killstreak to get it. It was not nearly as ‘sweaty’ to get. So there was still a reasonable goal for every multiplayer game.

God one boom thank you I thought I was going crazy no one has noticed how the amo counts affect gunplay snipers and marksman rifles are borderline useless

Modern Gaming culture is absolutely to blame 100%. Nobody questions that when the 2 titans of cod youtubers for the bo2 era for example were Comedy and lighthearted trolling: Vanossgaming and doing ridiculous trickshots that everyone in the match would love: Faze and others. When those 2 were the most popular there was little sweating but now that we have Nickmerks, Timthetatman and other streamers/creators that just focus on “being good and winning”, the gaming world is way sweatier AS A WHOLE. Not just call of duty EVERY GAME SERIES that goes mainstream gets riddled with sweats and esports wannabes so don’t blame all the sweats in our cod games on fuckin Doors and changes to the minimap.

The persona music in the background. Lol

Ur just speaking facts I wish I could have played th best cods when they were in there prime

Lol the moment to moment gameplay was totally worth it.

The fucking mashup at the start killed me jgjgjshajsjdjdjfj

You earned a new sub my friend

It seems like you've never played Plutonium or IW4x. It's a sweat fest, even tho we don't have most of the things you talked about and these trade-offs. See for yourself and boot up BO2/MW3 plutonium.

Spot on!

I know that it’s a joke but that intro is soooo long 😂

hitscan definitely hitscan

I understand what you’re saying about the gunplay changes with crazy mags and such but I really feel the massive change in feel is more about the movement than anything. Slipping and sliding all over the place and flying through windows is what is really making the new games feel well “wrong”. It doesn’t feel like a military game anymore. It feels like a parkour, skater shooter. Sometimes the never ending conquest for “silky smooth” gameplay does have it takeaways from the game and makes it feel like it’s not intended to be Post post: I thought black ops dolphin dive thing was pretty cool but everything after with the sliding has just wrecked the game and feels dumb

Honestly if the mainstream actually knew about Sm2 and it was on console, it would be the most hyped game in the world

My first COD game was MWR so I don't have any nostalgia with the old games. I heard the whole "Old COD was better" stuff and I tried out the older CODs like MW2 and B02 on IW4x and Plutonium and I honestly enjoyed them a lot better than the newer ones.

You know ever since that song battlefield came out I have been saying Why is COD such a Battlefield Battlefield Battlefielllld in text chat in both games because they always copied each other and my buddies and I joked eventually that ALL fps would be the same exact game!

I may disagree with your opinion on many things, maybe even most things, but... this one, you have convinced me. This lack of trade-offs makes these games feel more like people used to describe them, "running around like a chicken with your head cut off" because with unlimited sprint, you can do that. I think we need Marathon back, take away the Unlimited Sprint i used to ask for and please... for the love of GOD, take away 100 Round Mags on anything but Light Machine Guns, i've been saying that since Day 1.

I like how not even this dude or any Call of Duty KZfaqrs bring up that older Call of Duty titles are more fondly looked at for their amazing single player campaigns and modes then multiplayer. Like Halo, Call of Duty was a single player first, multiplayer second video game and the campaigns of the golden era we all fondly cherish and has done so well wouldn’t have been made possible without the single-player, or co-op, experiences. Let me perfectly clear, I’m not saying that multiplayer didn’t have a huge impact on the game’s success, but how everyone views it as being Call of Duty’s sole identity is just flat out wrong and they themselves are no better then the devs that wanna make Call of Duty into something it isn’t, and that’s why we’ve had a full decade of garbage Call of Duty titles.

Easy… More relaxed sbmm No nostalgia baiting More random moments due to balancing problems No KZfaq trick/tips videos teaching people to basically cheat the game. To me the most important to me is age when I played the older cods I was at school, care free and had plenty of people to party up with. Jumping onto bo2 and talking crap with your mates until going to bed is just pure nostalgia

We need to bring back the Barebones playlist. No perks(Minus Scavenger for Gun Ammo Only), No Attachments, No Streaks. Just Primary, Secondary, Lethal an tactical. With every 5 kills in a single life replenishing a single Lethal and tactical grenade. CoD in it's purest form.

Mw2/mw3/bo1/bo2 New game that made me return to this days Modern warfare 2019😍

You should make videos on insurgency sandstorm it's a super realistic shooter 1-3 shots kills so 2 or 3 bullets hit you and your erased it's way more fun

Good points

You are right

In a nutshell " they like to hold our hands a little too much. And its lowering gameplay quality for anyone who's not willing to pour their life in "get(ting) good"

Time to kill ruined for me if i shoot first im still dying

modern warfare 2 - the most "hollywood" scenes that happen is that snowmobile jump, rest is on the edge between "barely made it" and bullshit modern call of duty - a literal wrath of god happens with bajillion explosions around the player and you never get hurt while actual gameplay sections beat themselves

I loved the old cod games they were so fun all they have to do is make a cod that like the old cods but keep updating for a long time with every old map I think it would be a fun game a lot of people might hate it but people who played old cods like bo1 would love it

STARRING: THE ONE BOOM

I already knew the answer was the movement speed before clicking the video.

7:40 - To be fair, there really isn't all that much time to manage anything during those preciously few seconds that pass from when you spawn until when you die... Rinse and Repeat!

Titan Fall 2 has so much MW2 in it. The longer you play it, the more you notice.

this video a banger