Why People Leave the LDS Church - Carah Burrell

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TikTok star, Carah Burrell (@Nuancehoe), discusses the importance of empathy, understanding the reasons that people leave Mormonism, and why members have a responsibility to be informed on the issues within the church.
This excerpt is from Mormon Stories episode 1415 - “Carah Burrell - TikTok’s ‘Nuancehoe’”
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@jacobopstad5483
@jacobopstad5483 3 жыл бұрын
Strong communities is one of the only real benefits that pretty much all religions can offer people. And it's a very powerful one!
@johnsax1445
@johnsax1445 3 жыл бұрын
@@arianae6706 Amen.
@mikeyant2445
@mikeyant2445 3 жыл бұрын
It's not the only benefit at all....Ive seen actual power over evil, I've seen answers to prayer, to name two more things.
@mikeyant2445
@mikeyant2445 3 жыл бұрын
@@arianae6706 I am a Pastor of a Baptist church. I have a son who has left church because of serious doubts about Christianity. He is still very much a part of the family.
@elizabethgrogan8553
@elizabethgrogan8553 3 жыл бұрын
@@arianae6706 Sadly, the LDS leaders appear to be paralysed by fear. They don't know how to stop the haemorrhaging of members and are too arrogant to to cry for help. The only option they see is threat. Warn the members of the dire consequences of leaving and keep their fingers crossed. If they could truely humble themselves, and take an honest inventory of the predicament they are in, they might just save the Church. It would, initially, bleed even more members, but could well thrive in the long term. An important step would be to clear the deck of it's current blinkered leaders. Truth and equality could be the key.
@KelvinWKiger
@KelvinWKiger 2 жыл бұрын
Double-edged sword
@scottbrandon9390
@scottbrandon9390 3 жыл бұрын
The issue about so-called anti-mormon literature. This is something many returned missionaries struggle with. They hear about a lot of material on their mission for the first time. When the RM starts reading all this stuff they are challenged by doctrinal issues, leadership, and early church history. As a result many RMs then go inactive.
@marennielsen4627
@marennielsen4627 2 жыл бұрын
Here is the thing when you read first accounts from Joseph Smith’s wife and children who all left the church the tell the truth of the crap good old Joseph wrote as sent by God.
@jericotevar8079
@jericotevar8079 2 жыл бұрын
my wife left the church after reading the bible over and over again specifically the new testament she found relief in the grace of Jesus Christ ...
@wileecoyote1751
@wileecoyote1751 3 жыл бұрын
The lightbulb didn't turn on until I was in my mid-sixties after struggling with issues I chose to ignore. Then I studied outside the lines. Books that weren't approved but were researched thoroughly. The one book the pushed me over the edge was "In Sacred Loneliness" by Todd Compton. I resigned a short time later.
@kentthalman4459
@kentthalman4459 3 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when you go outside the lines :-)
@michelereber8680
@michelereber8680 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said. I was BIC and left when I was 57. I had never studied church history, would of been scared to do it. I studied 95% church approved history and about 5% non LDS. But when I started 'moving out' I spent hundreds of hours studying ex Mormon writings. I so wish I had started studying church history a little sooner. But I was so damn busy raising 9 kids and making sure they were on the right path. Plus I had church callings, going to the temple, cleaning the church buildings, visiting teaching etc, etc, etc. And all the to (ing) and fro (ing) for those 9 kids. I was to busy to investigate.
@firesondiego7666
@firesondiego7666 3 жыл бұрын
Weird, I've been a member for decades and I have yet to see an "approved books" list. Would love the link to that.
@kentthalman4459
@kentthalman4459 3 жыл бұрын
@@firesondiego7666 That's easy. When sharing info with a Mormon the first question they ask is "did this come from the church?" If the answer is no, then that is the end of the discussion. Happens all the time. By their definition, faith promoting is true, faith destroying is false.
@brianprince1649
@brianprince1649 3 жыл бұрын
@@kentthalman4459 I have read and listen to all kinds of anti mormon stuff My Testimony is stronger than ever because I know that Jesus can not lie and always keeps his promises. He's is the same yesterday ,today and for ever. He called his Apostles back then and now in these last days.He is fulfilling his prophesies though his Church.
@nicolelovesjesusgod7673
@nicolelovesjesusgod7673 3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! Thank you
@Mediumkate547
@Mediumkate547 2 жыл бұрын
I had a friend go on a mission from the Mormon church and once he came back from his mission he left. He said he was trying to recruit a woman at one point and he was telling her about how men can become gods and men can give blessings and she asked why woman couldn’t do that and why arent woman supported more in the church and he kinda questioned himself and was like idk. After that he left
@johnp.1460
@johnp.1460 2 жыл бұрын
I really like these thumbnail interview snippets - almost like trailers for the full program. They are effective teasers that point me back to episodes I may have missed. Good move. In this case, I can’t believe I missed the full interview of the completely amazing Carah.
@UnderstandingMormonism
@UnderstandingMormonism 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@AJ-et3vf
@AJ-et3vf 3 жыл бұрын
Love this! Thanks for sharing your experience and story, Nuancehoe! It's only just a few months ago when I first saw your Tiktok's that you shared in the exmo sub.
@jeaniedelaney4711
@jeaniedelaney4711 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you are acknowledging that it was a valuable part of your life journey--for a certain period of time (the social community aspect when your girls were little). I’m dubious about the whole thing, but the community aspect has been a supportive factor in my life as well. I also like how you said “the universe spit me out into Provo, UT. “ This is pretty much how I feel about the universe planting me in SLC into a whacky Mormon family.
@patricksullivan2397
@patricksullivan2397 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of people victim blame instead of listening to a persons experience with something. Its like a woman who has been raped and other women explain that they have not been raped so you must have done something to bring it on or you are lying.
@nuancehoe
@nuancehoe 3 жыл бұрын
🙏
@scottbrandon9390
@scottbrandon9390 3 жыл бұрын
Millennials (ages 26-42) and Gen -Z (ages 3-25) are having struggles. They do not like being shamed. They don't like seeing members of the LGBTQ2 community excluded. They also may have social and political ideas that differ from the church. This demographic will be a challenge for the church. There is also something called "progressive mormonism" which is questioning more orthodox ideas of doctrine, history, socio-political beliefs and culture of the church. This form of mormonism has already infiltrated BYU. A friend in Utah said it is also talked about in Provo and SLC wards.
@sitapohiva1862
@sitapohiva1862 2 жыл бұрын
This is factual. Politics, societal norms, and technology changes the view of current LDS beliefs (at least for Millennials and Gen Z). It's going to be tough.
@catherinenesbit5446
@catherinenesbit5446 3 жыл бұрын
Born to a mother who was an LDS cultist, she started an attack on me my first day home from hospital. I was a rebel from birth and I dared to turn over. She used the church as a grudgel to try and destroy my real personality. I thought if was garbage early on. In my mother's eyes I was an evil spirit there to challenge her true belief and it was her mission on Earth to destroy me. I'm 80 years old now, and I fought the good battle all my life, but she & the church manged to mess my life up for a LONG while. She died in 2004 at 97, and to her death railed against me.
@johnlee1352
@johnlee1352 3 жыл бұрын
...what a wasted life...
@susangroom960
@susangroom960 2 жыл бұрын
I am so sorry you had those awful experiences. I hope you have found peace and healing.
@carlathompson9308
@carlathompson9308 2 жыл бұрын
I left because it didn't make sense. Information in the book of mormon has been shown as false by scientific evidence. Example the American Indians are not from Isreal. They are obviously from the bering land strait into America's. DNA evidence supports this... and of course other things to. It wasn't hard to leave because I always had my doubts. I was told doubt my doubts. I replied no that is ridiculous you should investigate your doubts to confirm your doubts and founded. I didn't have friends so it was pretty to leave
@marysnow3779
@marysnow3779 2 жыл бұрын
I was so shunned when I Left the Mormons
@marennielsen4627
@marennielsen4627 2 жыл бұрын
I bet but there are lots of us who left that will embrace you. It can be really hard if you have kids they won’t let their kids play with yours.
@sbaby-np5hy
@sbaby-np5hy 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately that's what Mormon culture does to each other when someone believes and then they don't anymore or they question their testimony or anything like that and people of the church find out you are shunned. And they're always are like you know act like Christ like you know be like Christ will shunning someone is not Christ like just because they don't believe the same way you do and they say you can only get to the highest degree of heaven if you are married and if you die as a single person you're going to be in one of the lower areas of heaven but you can reach the higher level of heaven because you can be married in the afterlife. what?
@marysnow3779
@marysnow3779 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you Know Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour🙏🕊🙋‍♀️🕊✝️
@michaelreidperry3256
@michaelreidperry3256 2 жыл бұрын
Religion is very addictive. It’s supposed to be an obsessive compulsive lifestyle. It’s about controlling others without offering them good reasons to live on their own. It is a definite Mommie Culture and Conditioning. It’s a culture instilling people with severe dependence.
@michaelparks5669
@michaelparks5669 4 ай бұрын
1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 CONDEMNS THE BEHAVIOR YOU SUPPORT. HE SAID DONOT BE FOOLED. CLEARLY YOU ARE THE KIND OF PERSON HE WAS WRITING TO. DO BE FOOLED.
@nunya4815
@nunya4815 10 ай бұрын
The church fails to take the blame for its failures such as not giving anyone with African decent the priesthood until the civil rights act was passed.
@cameron9643
@cameron9643 3 жыл бұрын
These are the same people that tell you high taxes are old.
@jeziscricket4448
@jeziscricket4448 3 жыл бұрын
Joseph Smith is nobody
@joelgoldsmith4747
@joelgoldsmith4747 Жыл бұрын
Don't say that buddy. It's not TRUE!!!! Joseph Smith was a great 'LIAR & DECEIVER'.😟😥
@johnzarr6590
@johnzarr6590 2 жыл бұрын
One of the problems with Christianity is that most sermons are either solely about the New Testament or are Joel Osteen style sermons that have very little to do with either the New or Old Testament. Most of Joel Osteen type sermons resemble improved Tony Robbins motivational type lectures on how to be successful in life or resemble get rich quick schemes. Deuteronomy 4:2 basically says not to substitute Joel Osteen type material for the Old Testament as Joel Osteen type sermons support Christianity’s adulterous & idolatrous worship of idols, money & financial success. The reason the Old Testament or Tanakh is so important is that the Old Testament is more or less a history book of the human race. And if you don’t learn from history, you are doomed to repeat the same mistakes you have made in the past. The main problem with the New Testament is that in terms of a history book, it only goes back to the time of JC. The New Testament just doesn’t cover a very long time period. The Old Testament goes back to creation of the universe and covers a much larger time frame. The big question is about whether or not Christians should be worried in the least. The answer is found in Isaiah 27:1 with the Leviathan representing Christianity. G - - always lives up to His promises. Of course, you would only know this fact if you have read the Old Testament. Another thing to consider if you are well read in the Tanakh is that the Levites lived on tithes in exchange for teaching G - -‘s word to the populace. Not long after the prophet Joshua died, the Levi group of priests much like Joel Osteen began teaching the populace more about what they felt the populace wanted to hear with the motivation largely being to get the biggest donations. Once Jews re-instituted idol worship & turned away from worshipping G - -, G - - had approximately 95% of the Jewish population massacred first by the Assyrian army and then by the Babylonian army. Only a small remnant of Jews survived. G - -‘s punishment for the Jews was considerably worse than what happened to Jews in World War II in terms of percentage of the population massacred. And G - - considered Jews His children. So if you think Christians will somehow escape G - -‘s wrath from idolatrous Joel Osteen type preaching, then think again as G - - doesn’t have the same type of relationship with Christians due to Christian worship of JC as their savior. Isaiah 27:1 will eventually prevail, and G - - will very likely not spare even a single Christian artery or vein. In fact Obadiah 18 basically states that there will be no survivors from the house of Esau. Are there any other unforeseen problems created by Joel Osteen type preaching whereby very little Tanakh based scripture is taught during sermons? Yes. First Christians suffer immensely financially & socially from this type of Tanakh-free preaching. Just look at how many radio talk shows have popped up in major cities across the USA with the theme of “catching cheaters” in regards to adultery. Cheater themed talk shows are incredibly popular and are now major advertising revenue creators for radio talk shows as radio listeners love to hear about other peoples’ misery. Adultery, and divorce caused by adultery is absolutely rampant throughout America. The social costs are in the multiple billions in terms of children who now live with one parent or who now have to move back and forth between parents during the holidays. Poor quality, low Tanakh content Joel Osteen type Christian preaching also invariably leads to rampant antisemitism when divorced broken family angry Christians look at their happily married Jewish neighbors who tend to not only be happy in life but who tend to have multiple happy and well adjusted children. And all this Christian divorce, misery & unhappiness could be so easily avoided if only Christians would realize that the only person cashing in on Tanakh-free sermons is possibly Joel Osteen and his family. Tanakh-free sermons create a situation much like the mega state lottery where there is only one 400 million dollar winner and everyone besides the winner loses the $3 they paid for the tickets. With Tanakh-free sermons, Joel Osteen is the main lottery winner. Additionally, the Christian version of the Old Testament in the Christian Bible has been so severely altered to support Christianity’s love for idolatry and adultery, that the Christian version of the Old Testament is no longer even remotely usable. Go to Sefaria.org or Chabad.org to get an unaltered free online version. If you don’t believe adultery is a problem in the USA just contemplate the proliferation of morning radio show programs about catching cheaters. Additionally, what does the Tanakh or history of the human race say about false prophets/ preachers who lead their sheep-like followers astray for massive financial gain? Well, it never, ever ends well. For example, mega-preacher Gwen Shamblin Lara who instead of teaching Tanakh based scripture, tried to get Christians to lose weight through nutrition. Gwen Shamblin Lara perished at a very young age in a plane crash along with her husband and 5 other church leaders. And the list of Christian-type total disasters goes on. The reason Gwen Lara Shamblin perished is that historically one of G - -‘s main weapons of destruction for His enemies is disease / pestilence. Obesity is a disease, and if G - - had allowed Gwen Lara Shamblin to continue living, she would have been in direct conflict with G - - in preventing Isaiah 27:1 from coming to fruition. Read last 3 paragraphs below to learn about G - -‘s other preferred weapons He sometimes uses on His enemies. I know many people feel “saved” by JC, but there is a big difference between “feeling saved” and actually being “saved.” For example, you might feel totally saved & safe jumping off a plane 30,000 miles up because you “feel” you have the best parachute money can buy. However, if you forget to read and apply Tanakh to your life and cheat on your spouse, you won’t actually be safe if the parachute cord was cut by your spouse after discovering the affair. But, then it is too late once you’re headed downward at 110 miles per hour. You see, you don’t want to end up fulfilling Isaiah 27:1 with your own life. If you’re interested in current events about the talk about the Gog Magog war starting, read Ezekiel 38:18-23. Isaiah 27:1 basically continues with Ezekiel 38:18-23 if you want to learn what happens when G-‘s anger flares up over army invasion of Israel’s soil. G - -‘s weapons of choice will be pestilence, bloodshed, torrential rain, hailstones & sulfurous fire, so that the world will know that G - - is both Lord and savior. Judging from past holy wars, bloodshed is typically referring to as some type of psychological warfare on enemy army where enemy soldiers standing next to each other begin fighting each other in confusion. You see that if you are well read in Tanakh, you see the world through a very different lens, and you immediately see and understand that the current war Russia is unleashing on the world is nothing more than G - -‘s very creative way of using a number of countries to fulfill Isaiah 27:1 as G - - once unleashed the Babylonians & Assyrians on Israel as a very creative form of punishment for the Jews. Ukrainian Jews were less than 1/2 of 1% of the Ukrainian population, and post World War II Jews are incredibly well versed at exiting war torn countries well before situations worsen. The main concept from the scriptures that directly relates to current events is the concept of “bloodguilt“ and the book of Samuel I. Vladimir Putin will very likely end up exactly like King Saul due to excessive bloodguilt - premature death - but not before first being used by G - - to bring Isaiah 27:1 to fruition. 635
@brianprince1649
@brianprince1649 3 жыл бұрын
Hi I understand that the Devil uses people's emotions to get them to leave the Church. The way I look at this is Jesus can not lie and always keeps his promises. So I can back up ever thing I believe with scriptures. The Bible says let us reason together so this is where I start from going forward.
@BoyMama87
@BoyMama87 3 жыл бұрын
If you can back up what you believe then you have no faith.
@brianprince1649
@brianprince1649 3 жыл бұрын
@@BoyMama87 You are wrong it means my Faith is stronger 2 Tim 3:14-17
@SouthernCal1317
@SouthernCal1317 3 жыл бұрын
Did you vote for Trump...? Back that shit up. “Ye shall know them by their fruits.”
@brianprince1649
@brianprince1649 3 жыл бұрын
@@SouthernCal1317 Trump isn't in the Bible. I can back up ever thing related to my believe in God not man.
@Bullybob77
@Bullybob77 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes people speak on behalf of Jesus or God when really they made it up, but because you believe it's from God then you don't question it. This is referred to as circular logic. It is true that there is evidence for God however the lds church has twisted it to their own benefit
@scottbrandon9390
@scottbrandon9390 3 жыл бұрын
I studied this at university. People leave the LDS Church for several reasons. The major reason is somebody in the church said or did something to the person and they then leave. This is also a common factor found in other non LDS churches. Doctrinal issues are secondary.
@scottbrandon9390
@scottbrandon9390 3 жыл бұрын
@@arianae6706 I'm sorry you had that experience. Early church history is a shock for members. In fact, other faiths also would be shocked about early church history, what's omitted in official records, leader writings etc. Muslims would leave as well if they knew about the murders, crusades, lies, and anything from the first 400 years. Roman Catholics, Jews the same. RMs leave the LDS church because they start losing faith when they read stuff by the Lighthouse Ministries etc. Outside of areas heavily populated by Mormons, I do not find many members are even aware of early history. For example, Relief Society in a stake will downplay polygamy and say Joseph Smith Jr. had only one wife when there is evidence contrary. Or make excuses for why the current prophet did not see 2020 coming. Many members do not know things about church organization or basic theological problems.
@kentthalman4459
@kentthalman4459 3 жыл бұрын
I've not met any ExMos with that experience. What source materials did you study?
@kentthalman4459
@kentthalman4459 3 жыл бұрын
@@arianae6706 Speaking for myself, if Church history would have been available in my youth I wouldn't have made it to 16 as a member. To each their own.
@scottbrandon9390
@scottbrandon9390 3 жыл бұрын
@@kentthalman4459 Hi Kent. I interviewed ex-mormons for a research study. While some left for problems they had with early history of the church or doctrinal issues, the majority stated it was due to the actions of members or leaders that caused them to leave. Other reasons included divorce, forced excommunication, being tired of excessive time involved in callings, being bored at church (held by teens), and marrying someone non-LDS.
@kentthalman4459
@kentthalman4459 3 жыл бұрын
@@arianae6706 All great points Ariana. BTW, 20 years later I'm still is a mixed faith marriage. Yes, there are daily compromises and no, Mormonism isn't victimless.
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