Why Poker Starting Range Charts are Garbage

Why Poker Starting Range Charts are Garbage | How to Move Beyond Them

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Gripsed Poker Training // Evan Jarvis

5 жыл бұрын

In this video New Team Gripsed Pro Alex Fitzgerald aka Assassinato teaches you how to ditch the training wheels of starting hand charts and move into true aggressive, aware, advanced poker play.
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Full list of topics discussed in this poker training video include
-Every time you make a lazy preflop call you ruin your results
-Every time you make a poor raise that makes no sense you’re setting up your tournament’s death
-Every time you flat a 3-bet out of position for no reason you’re consenting to a variance bomb
-Why your preflop game determines the results of your postflop game
-Preflop in poker is like the opening moves in chess… it sets you up for success later on
-You don’t need to know SICK POSTFLOP PLAYS… you just need to know plays that work most of the time
-How to ‘control the board’ aka ‘how to control the game’ in poker… keep the lead/control
-Why Balance is BS: Most people do things 100% of the time or 0% of the time, and don’t adjust
-Why Starting hand charts are garbage, and why many poker pros deviate from their own hand charts
-How starting hand charts are a helpful starting point, but they often fall short of what you really need
-WHY THE OPEN IS EVERYTHING IN POKER and why once you have it down… don’t need much else
-Why when facing aggressive 3-bettors in position you should consider open folding if you won’t 4-bet a 3-bet
-The Goal in no limit hold’em: To make opponents put money in the pot with marginal hands, so you can steal it later (especially if they are putting money in the pot out of position
-Why people are overdefending in big blind ante tournaments (and the truth you need to know)
-Why nobody makes money when they get 3-bet OOP… the same reason nobody makes money from BB
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@gripsed Жыл бұрын

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@iplaypocketfjords Жыл бұрын

Pass. I am busy coaching a stable, but I don't mean one that doesn't listen, learn & make graph more upward trend, steeper & straighter . We are on chapter - maximising the fishiest mtts to reggae in & beating generic players with starting charts, bongo drums & a shaker.

@toddfarkman2177 3 жыл бұрын

I find it funny that the pros like Negreanu have a class where they give you a chart and say 3-bet when you have these cards. "Bet this at UTG and this on the button." Gee, so a pro wants you to be totally predictable? SHOCKER! "Hey that guy on the UTG just opened with a 3-bet that means he has this range". Way to be totally predictable and readable!! Or Negreanu who says never just call the blinds, always raise and raise the same amount. Why wouldn't you just call the blinds with A's? So then when an A hits the flop, the idiots that took Negreanu's class will say "he can't have an A, he would have 3-bet on the gun!". And you trap them. It's hilarious that people teaching poker, a game where you need to be as unpredictable as you can......teach you to be predictable.

@MrPuros 2 жыл бұрын

I am thinking the same... easy catch for some

@MikeTython369 2 жыл бұрын

Yep and it's even worse now they all want to to going there training sites and follow the ranges all while the top crushers are using RTA and having everyone play more predictable only makes the RTA user more profitable

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@joefisher7792 Жыл бұрын

If you have Queens Kings or aces and you decide to raise preflop let it be all in and if it's that everyone fold a I guess it's just not meant to be. And as for this pro strategy they're always saying that you should be tight and aggressive and know your opponents range. Sorry to tell you that's not how they play it's good to know your opponents range of course but all that tight s***no way not happening there trying to get every freaking Penny they can. Myself I try to play like everyone else does What I really get mad at when it's when someone is raising you when you're on the big blind purposely so I purposely put them on my shit list.

@paulpena5040 4 жыл бұрын

I'm a chess master and the comparison to chess probably isn't the strongest. I can assure you that opening theory(if you are 2100 and below) honestly doesn't really matter. I have students all the time asking me for the "latest theory" and I'm constantly telling them just play logical moves in the opening. What difference does a small advantage mean if you're just going to blunder a rook? It's an issue more for serious professionals. In fact Magnus Carlsen was famous for having poor opening theory, never getting an advantage in the opening and then just slowly outplaying the best players on earth. But tbh he's a unicorn, usually above the expert level you really do need to know you're theory. In any case it certainly doesn't hurt but I have the feeling in poker starting ranges are probably way more important.

@thelastshinobi5002 4 жыл бұрын

Either way a brain who plays chess is far more powerful than a brain that plays poker,imo stick to chess it's far better for the health of your brain bro!

@paulpena5040 4 жыл бұрын

@Allen Albright www.scchess.com/rank_and_file_issues/R&F.2012.2.Mar-Apr.WEB3.pdf There dipshit. Now you can even feel stupider than your post made you out to look.

@paulpena5040 4 жыл бұрын

@Allen Albright If you are a 2134 I would adopt you 10 games in a row in ANY opening. And you didn't even get the Kasparov thing right either. He complained because he wasn't AWARE that there was a master there in South Africa. (the guy was an actual master not some expert wannabe).

@DDoz42 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the continued info. I liked how you explained that although a hand like 710s may be on a Starting Range Chart it doesnt mean that just any level player should just blindly follow a chart suggestion bc the chart dictates so. There is much more to the play/situation.

@k2sn2 5 жыл бұрын

I have actually come across this talk in a live teaching haha. The biggest takeaway i guess would be the knowledge that no play is separate from previous or next streets in a hand. You have to build the hand up logically, otherwise you're probably making a bad play.

@chrisgarber1526 5 жыл бұрын

Key Takeaway: Preflop strategy (opening strategy) is the foundation to solid play postflop; it is fundamental to poker like dribbling and freethrows are to basketball.

@joebertucci813 3 жыл бұрын

Something like 100% of (regular) Olympic track and field stars learned to walk first.

@adrianchasco5186 5 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks for sharing this valueble info

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@Gos1234567 5 жыл бұрын

"Why do you open or not open there"- if you guys say it depends on the players behind me-thats not an answer. Answer-You open here if its unlikely youre going to get three bet. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA????/ Ok so it does depend on the players behind you. AARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

@georgeawad3241 3 жыл бұрын

Ya I can’t really follow his logic and question his credentials.

@rooksman64 3 жыл бұрын

no, no there is a big difference between saying it depends and it depends on X

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@SydBaron 3 жыл бұрын

Chess is learned backwards. You start learning to make with king and rook v king, king and pawn v king, then you learn the middlegame. Most beginners, especially kids, learn bundles of openings, but you need to learn the theory as well as the moves.

@toddfarkman2177 2 жыл бұрын

I've had the same simple opening and went from 600 to 1300. My opening didn't seem to matter much other than I was familiar with how I would attack from it.

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@effortlessawareness8778 5 жыл бұрын

"I'm not here for the approval of some asshole in a hoodie and a fitted cap who is pissed his parents once made him get a summer job." LOFL You nailed my regular mindset everyday I sit down at a table at the casino.

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@thomasgould8857 4 жыл бұрын

Great work! Thank you

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@royalflush8173 3 жыл бұрын

your my favorite poker teacher your style makes the most sense

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@Charlie_Ses 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the vid. I would have a problem opening that hand 10-7s in a game where I know people aren't going to 3bet me, because I know I'm likely to get 2 or 3 plus calls... A lot of the cash games I play people call 3x BB or 4x BB raises with weak opening hands e.g. A-3o, or 10-9o, and so in that situation I would resist raising with that hand, even though I'm not going to get 3bet. Should I still be raising in this case?

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

It's totally fine to fold there. If the players in the blinds are not ones you're seeking to play with fold (i fold lots here) MTT is different because you want to steal the blinds as much as possible. In cash however you're looking to build pots in position against the right opponents and thus the opening strategy changes.

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@BAlvn-yr6ej 5 жыл бұрын

12:55 ....so, it depends on the players~ that sentence sums up poker strategy.

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

yep :)

@whatcouldgowrong6224 2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha yes that's part of the thrill of the game

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@joshuapatrick682 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Evan happy to see you back. Hope things are well.

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@Stupid_Blondy 2 жыл бұрын

I knew I wasn't the only one who thinks like you do. Very helpful. I've been having issues in some areas, feeling like I stall out or, even when I know I'm clearly the better player, I find myself with not as many chips as I feel like I should have. Hope that makes sense. Been binging your KZfaq stuff all day getting ready for a big tournament series. Thank so much, man! Are you left-handed by chance?

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@agustinfederico141 9 ай бұрын

When was the original video recorded? I dont feel in Stars people are folding that much to cbets en NL25. But it could just be me playing badly.. dont know

@ThatGuy-ph5hp 5 жыл бұрын

I think the biggest takeaway here is how other players actions should affect your range. Yes I knew how should change based on tightness of opponents But to look at some of the other stats like 3betting as mentioned is something I really didn't think too much of. Thanks for another helpful video!

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

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@AirbnbAutomated 5 жыл бұрын

you can do a color desaturation to remove the little bit of green chroma spill on your vids.

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

ill look into it, thx for the tip Airbnb guy!

@osareafallire 4 жыл бұрын

Like for caring about video production quality

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@pierrelanau3119 5 жыл бұрын

i learned that yu must adapt our opening range to the texture and opponents of a table

@rockoytheman9453 4 жыл бұрын

Most underrated comment on planet Earth.

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@theejayzeeable 5 жыл бұрын

I pose that we should think of ourselves as smart action-junkies in position. This self-image can help the many heros who know the plan, but have trouble executing it. The plan is nothing without being able to execute it. Or let's go to the battle royale(poker game) as smart boxers, and jab(raise) in position. C-bet jab and score points(win pots), and eventually you'll soften them up(they start tilting), and eventually you hurt them(you win bigger pots).

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

I like this a lot Jay Zee, well said, you some kinda rapper or something? You're real good with them words!

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@KeemaRice 4 жыл бұрын

Can you explain how antes don't help your pot odds? Isn't it just dead money, making it better to call from BB?

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@jamesgrace5926 5 жыл бұрын

cant believe ive never realised the power you have over the big blind when you raise and he calls and its heads up, I can think back to tons of scenarios where i couldve got much much more value from my bets and specifically the bluffs

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@Gos1234567 5 жыл бұрын

Interesting about the 3x or more raise,I always raise 3x on the button cos I don’t like giving the BB 9/2 with min raises.Must try it more in other positions now

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@RogansDMTpipe 5 жыл бұрын

"My goal is to make you put money in pots with too many hands, so I can steal it later." Low hanging fruit, yes, but such a powerful statement if this is truly your goal. Being conscious of what my goals are when I play makes it less likely that I fall out of line and let my ego take over.

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

great insight John, I forgot how powerfully goals can work to keep the ego in check...

@Beanmachine91 5 жыл бұрын

do you use slow play to trap the fish and donks?

@joebertucci813 3 жыл бұрын

Rounders movie Kinish: I have alimony! My kids eat! It is a real poker concept and I love that they included it in Rounders. Knowing he had bills to pay and mouths to feed, Kinish was able to put his ego aside. After all, he "was not chasing the thrill of victory"

@persistentlydriven9390 3 жыл бұрын

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@pot_kivach160 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah? What about you open with AQo raise from CO, ….BTN and BB called. You bet 1/2 Flop AK5r. BB called. Then you bet pot size turn (4), and BB reraises you (after check)? You call…on showdown BB showed pocket 54o!?! Your top pair sucks. This happened to me twice within 2 consecutive days. Second time i caught nut flush on river (AQs) while BB (54o) caught a fullhouse?! Any strategy that covers this? Thanks.

@stuartmeadowcroft6225 5 жыл бұрын

Takeaways: 1 My goal on NLH is to make you put money in the pot with too many hands so I can steal it later 2 open more often when it's unlikely anyone will 3-bet you

@irfanazim6696 5 жыл бұрын

What does it mean by putting money in the pot with too many hands?

@stuartmeadowcroft6225 5 жыл бұрын

@@irfanazim6696 lots of people play poker just for the experience- the fun of it. They'll put chips in the pot whether they stand a good chance of winning it or not, because they want to see the next card as they enjoy playing the game of cards. They're gambling on it coming out in their favor. If You understand the likelihood of their hitting their range, you can entice them to gamble, then force them off the pot later in the hand when they fail to hit that range.

@irfanazim6696 5 жыл бұрын

@@stuartmeadowcroft6225 so be aggressive?

@DarrenSemotiuk 5 жыл бұрын

@@irfanazim6696 Be SMARTLY aggressive. Be aggressive in opportunities your opponents do not realize exist!

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@michaelcaserta1414 5 жыл бұрын

Please enlarge your graphics so I can see the information on my smallish sized device screen. maybe I could see the figures on my desktop but the numbers are too small on my phone. Thanks.

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

will do Michael

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@Beanmachine91 4 жыл бұрын

i used to think range charts are dumb but now i can see a good use for them and the occasional bluffing, it takes skill to bluff well

@thewrongaccount608 Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for saying that. After watching so much poker and studying so much GTO theory someone has finally said that GTO is really only good against good players. And at the average player that I find in the local tournaments for under a few hundred dollars GTO doesn't work. And that exploitive play is better.

@patlattin6437 3 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know where I can watch the full version of this video

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@TheBookofTobit 5 жыл бұрын

"And you'll take his monayyy"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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@loduk102 Жыл бұрын

Him: Depends is a bad answer. His answer: Depends. Lmfao

@nioghalvfemsproblemer3734 3 жыл бұрын

“Some people just try to sound like the smartest guy in the room... I’ve been guilty of that.” Yes, in this video. Apparently recorded in the University of Condescension at the Department of Being A Sarcastic Tw*t.

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@Beanmachine91 4 жыл бұрын

play a wider rang in position, see the flop for cheap and play monster hands in large pots, i can see why small ball works in early tournament stages

@Beanmachine91 4 жыл бұрын

what about standard deviation?

@TopSpinWilly 5 жыл бұрын

Gd stuff. Thanks.

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@mecheckraise 4 жыл бұрын

I play at Winstar casino in OK and I need to get a feel of the table. Some tables there is 3-4 people who will call VERY wide to standard or even large open. At other tables almost everyone will fold all but very premium hands. I try to exploit accordingly. If I know there is a guy or two that will call almost any bet pre-flop then I will hammer with premium hands. If people almost never 3 bet at the table then I will open wider for sure.

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@corbindw 3 жыл бұрын

I thought it would make sense to learn openings in chess first too but you are actually supposed to start with the endgame

@persistentlydriven9390 3 жыл бұрын

Elaborate

@corbindw 3 жыл бұрын

Because you can make it to the endgame and have the complete upper hand and lose on time because you dont know how to finish the other guy off. The endgame is where you learn the most basic and universal concepts. What you learn in openings is a lot more niche because there are so many more correct and seemingly correct answers to everything your opponent does and visa versa. Most people only actually know a few simple openings

@persistentlydriven9390 3 жыл бұрын

@@corbindw thank you

@corbindw 3 жыл бұрын

@@persistentlydriven9390 np

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@erdaddy5845 5 жыл бұрын

I'm a little confused. So are you recommending to increase the typical raise size preflop to 3x? 10 years the typical raise ranged from 4x to 2x (utg to but), but since then the meta of the game has changed, inclduing the raise sizing. If you play any amount of online poker tournaments you'll know the typical raise size is 2.5 to 2 (utg to but). I believe it is becuae of this smaller raise size that people started calling more often from the BB, whereas 10 years ago thw majority of knowledge recommended folding or only calling 10-15% of your range, simply because you won't realize the equity you do have because your out of position. So I feel like if you start moving to larger raise sizings then you also have to tighten up, that's another reason i think the meta of the game moved to smaller raise sizes, is so people can play wider ranges and bluff more. I have no point to what I'm saying here, just babbling my thoughts, but at the end of the day, do you think that we should increase our preflop raise size (and correspondently tighten our starting range to NIT like ranges again - like 10 years ago when that was profitable)?

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@michaela2071 5 жыл бұрын

What are these data charts he pulls out in his videos. Does this program collect data from your online play somehow?

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Pokertracker, yes, that's what it does

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@sleong 2 жыл бұрын

This video is incredible

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@dicksmashermicrocock7984 3 жыл бұрын

Anyone else noticed the what seemes like creepy music in The background? At 18:35 - 19:15 something like that, I was terrified watching this on my TV and thought there were something going on outside my apartment 😖😖 🤣🤣

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@rooksman64 3 жыл бұрын

the answer truly is...it depends 🤷🏻‍♂️

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@mcNakno Жыл бұрын

lol I was playing online pretend money poker and got Ts7s as you were discussing that hand 🙈

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@robsmith5387 5 жыл бұрын

I learnt that you lose money when you call 3bets - Sounds so simple, but I call about 60% from my initial raise. I believe I will outplay opponent on many flops, given board and some assumptions on villains likely range analysis. I'm still likely losing tonnes of profit. May fold a lot more of my middling pairs 66 - 99. Not sure if that would be correct, if I have little info on opponents 3betting range?

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

Generally speaking the hands you want to call 3-bets with are ones that can flop top pairs or strong draws, so suited broadways are great candidates. That said, when we are in position we can call with a lot more hands than we can from out of position (hence why we 4-bet more out of position). I also tend to fold a lot of my middling pairs most of the time, and when I don't fold them it's usually because I'm 4-betting all in against a loose 3-bettor.

@robsmith5387 5 жыл бұрын

@@gripsed Thanks - Really appreciate the response

@bluffybluff 5 жыл бұрын

@@robsmith5387 Stack depth should always be a consideration when calling 3bets with small/mid pairs.

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@vzanoli23 5 жыл бұрын

first hand T7s I would fold 100% of the time, there's no ante, is probably 2nd level of the MTT, most likely gonna take a flop multiway especially if is a low stake BI or big field, and in multiway our straight draws, flush draws and pairs are going to be dominated most of the times and we just have reverse implied odds. If I know my opponents are fishes I much rather open A7o, because I want them to call with T7s and pay 2 streets with a dominated hand, not viceversa when I open T7s and Tommy on the button flats his K7o. ALSO, you make profit if you get the pot HU, how many times is it gonna happen 2nd level of the tournament this deep?

@DarrenSemotiuk 5 жыл бұрын

RAISE BIGGER.

@vzanoli23 5 жыл бұрын

@@DarrenSemotiuk yeah sure m8 u can even open-shove atc from any position and since people are only gonna call off QQ+ than it's profitable, try that for a couple of weeks and then show me graphs.

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@victortoyota4595 4 жыл бұрын

I still didnt watch the video but, its very important study ranges and after that you just see what the best to that specific situation. If you have a default action to 3bet Utg but that vilan its nit of course you can flet or fold. I like to open my UTG range to same as a CO range in bubble nit situation. I play default in MP1 and 2, BTN 3bet middle stacks very loose or RFI any 2. Again, you need to know the default range to understant the optimal ssolution and if your opponents dont use the optimal the GTO says to open your range. So still its all about ranges. You Have yours, and if your opponets have an explorable one change yours to make more chips. The GTO says if your opponent folds 80% to 3bet just 3bet any2. And if the vilan 3bet a lot just 4bet a lot of shits. GL GL GL

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@jackdeth5009 3 жыл бұрын

unwatchable nonsense. skip, you'll thank me later.

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@waynebingham25 5 жыл бұрын

and the thing today they play the hole deck

@rezmode1085 4 жыл бұрын

thank you

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@martinclark4212 3 жыл бұрын

Strange you said it does not depend on the players. But the answer depends if the players 3 bet or not.

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@jasonhounsell3297 5 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your videos and they are interesting and I talk a lot about GTO vs exploitive and do a little coaching (not pro like you) - I teach people to play exploitive because they are not robots and trying to play GTO is only good when you get it right most of the time. However fields are exploitable - even if their game is exploitable it doesn't matter as only about 5%-10% the field would be able to start exploiting. However - your first question in the 10-7 you mentioned that "it depends on your opponents" is not valid - then your answer depended 100% on your opponents. I know you pressed for more info if giving that answer, and I feel most players would take into account those same things, if they get 3bet a lot they likely would auto consider this (not true for really bad players who can limp and be raised 5 times in a row and they don't stop limping)

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

we're with you Jason, exploitative poker is where it's at!

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@joefisher7792 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah sure this is oh great I love answering your questions just two see how I'm doing with my answers but my question is and I think that we're on the subject of shedding yourself up 4 control or just stealing so this is my question if there's all different situations and a different action for each one of them what's the percentage rate of good hands we're going to have or bad hands that we're going to Bluff how many times do you buff during a game you got to remember it's like football pass Run guy keep the other players honest can't let them know how we play if you're winning at the table people going to have their eye on you like after somebody when's a substantial amount of your stack you want that back right know what I mean

@ts4gv 4 жыл бұрын

pretty sure i just had a stroke

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@Trephining 3 ай бұрын

agreed, lololol

@ricemenarq6230 4 жыл бұрын

*you have a crap ambiguous answer and you do this Vocal Fry thing to sound smart*

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@welovelibraries4556 5 жыл бұрын

Cracks Me up the guy “hates it when players say it’s situational” then he goes on to describe how raising from the HJ is COMPLETELY SITUATIONAL! LMAO! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@DarrenSemotiuk 5 жыл бұрын

Not the same! "It Depends" is a copout non-answer. Alex says "It depends ON YOU BEING IN THESE IDEAL, REPEATABLE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A HUGE EDGE!" AKA a real answer, and Alex identifies those situations that ypu can put yourself into!

@GRice999 3 жыл бұрын

I think his point is that "it's situational" is a lame answer. Of course it's situational. He wants you to describe the situation(s) you will take certain actions. In the Ts7s example given he stated it depends on whether or not you're likely to be 3-bet. Knowing it's situational and knowing how you'll act in certain situations are two different things. Moreover, if you can't explain it away from the table how are you going to make a good decision in a pressure situation?

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@idontknow1919 5 жыл бұрын

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@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

they do, they promote them

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@TheDjcarter1966 5 жыл бұрын

#1 takeaway I don't have anyone look at my video before I post it. Who says if you answered it depends who is behind you that's wrong and then spends the next few minutes describing how it depends who is behind you....yes you like to "sound" like the smartest guy in the room but it doesn't make it so

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@islandtime21 5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Golf where the best way to improve your putting is to improve your wedge game - get your 2nd and 3rd shot closer to the hole and that sets up your putting to automattically improve. Likewise in poker the best way to improve your flop and post flop game is to improve your pre-flop game so you go into your flop and post-flop game from a better position. Aha moment was Alec stating when you 3-bet someone opening too much and you have position on them you put them back in the same spot the big blind starts from which is facing a forced bet out of position and most players don't make money from that spot.

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

Spot on islandtime!

@keepleft99 4 жыл бұрын

So if nobody is 3betting just open every hand, then C-bet the flop and thats profitable? Thats it? It cant be that simple?

@patmartin6271 3 жыл бұрын

A lot depends on position and ranges

@jedbaguio4317 2 жыл бұрын

Only if the bb is calling you more than 14% range of his range... 14% is the cutoff point in which youll start to miss more than 66% of the time... alex, in his chart showed a guy that will call 30% of his range.. with that oppenents range, you can cbet pot bets and rake-in cash cos theyll only hit 25% of the time, which means folding 75% of the time.. the pot bet only needs to break even at 50%... if they folding more than 50% to your pot bets, your printing money

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@KageManTV 3 жыл бұрын

Where’s tip 2,3,4 and 5??

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@Beanmachine91 5 жыл бұрын

your range chart will get you fed to disgruntled guard dogs like me! XD

@Danny19KILO 4 жыл бұрын

I'm right here right now! #zynga

@percyblok6014 2 жыл бұрын

Low stakes, opening more hands just means the rake kicks in quicker. Be selective and bet your hand accordingly is still the best practice at low stakes. The more hands you subject yourself too simply means the more you pay the card room/casino. Cash game talking here. Tourney, of course this video seems more appropriate.

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@waynebingham25 5 жыл бұрын

but if you dont use charts what range do you play

@1averageamerican 5 жыл бұрын

See the comment and response below.

@tripsix2186 5 жыл бұрын

GOLD!

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@pieterkoen2232 5 жыл бұрын

watched the whole add instead the yt vid wich i came for lmao , its hilarious

@PucaDuca13 5 жыл бұрын

Was it the soap one?

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@yeeluvspizza 5 жыл бұрын

Your chess analogy is flawed regarding the importance of opening theory. Tactical vision in the middlegame and endgame determine the winner of most games and therefore should be the primary focus if you are trying to improve your play. In the opening, simply bringing out the chess pieces, controlling the center of the chess board and castling will be sufficient enough to get you into the middlegame. You can spend 15-20% of your time on efficiently applying opening principles, 50% on studying tactics and rest of your time studying elementary endgames.

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@Handless26 5 жыл бұрын

Great points as always. It confused me though, that you said that what the other players do wasn't an answer, but then an essential part of the answer was exactly that it depends on how likely they are to 3bet behind and how the bb plays because he is the guy we are most likely to play against. Isn't that depending it on what players behind are going to do or did I misunderstand something?

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

you're right, this is additional information that Alex should've included. We'll be sure to add it to the next one. Sorry for the confusion Handless!

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@ryanwrice7482 4 жыл бұрын

dude the amount of information in your words is the fucking magnus brother.

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@CS-wb7nm 4 жыл бұрын

How much do you charge for private lessons?

@gripsed 4 жыл бұрын

Last I checked Alex was charging $150-200 for a session. Tweet @TheAssassinato if you'd like to reach out to him. Cheers!

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@Lorenzrnb 5 жыл бұрын

i learned that i should open a hand if i think im not gonna get 3bet

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

and if you're super likely to get 3-bet then only open hands which can 4-bet or comfortably call a 3-bet :)

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@billphilips8522 5 жыл бұрын

"open more when it is unlikely anyone will threebet you"......and you're going to know this how? in the situation above...if three players ahead of me have folded..i can assume they have rags....since i have 7 10 suited, and they had rags.....it only makes sense with 4 more players coming behind me that one of those 4 players has a stronger hand than i do....and i would fold. players adapt during the game to the style of other players.

@bluffybluff 5 жыл бұрын

You would know from their past actions. If 4 players behind you have not made many 3bets, or are seen to be weak/passive, they are highly unlikey to be 3betting light, as such, we can easily fold when they 3bet and we are printing money the rest of the time they fold or call and fold to cbet.

@billphilips8522 5 жыл бұрын

@@bluffybluff sorry but that is very simplistic. if three guys ahead of you fold and all you have is 7 10 suited the four guys behind you are far more likely to have a decent to good hand that call will call or reraise with. you say you can just fold but what if the pot gives you a pair or a flush draw? now you've raised the pot and have made chasing the flush draw expensive and not only that, you could be on the small end of the flush draw if it comes in. anyone who has played a lot of poker knows players will abruptly change and go from being passive to aggressive in a blink of an eye. what happens is players who have been passive for too long because they get shitty hands become compelled to start calling and taking chances. i've played near 500.000 hands of poker online and this type of 'static' table you are talking about doesn't exist annd if it does it surely doesn't exist for long. sorry but i see no value at all in this video.

@bluffybluff 5 жыл бұрын

@@billphilips8522 Sure, it doesn't happen a lot vs half decent players but Friday to Sunday you will find tons of weak passive tables. We are talking about the times we DO have 4 weak/passive types behind. They will likely only be 3betting their strong hands and yes we will be priced in to call a lot, which we want vs weak/passive/fun players. I personally think, if you know you have an edge, you should be playing as many hands as possible vs these types of player.

@michaela2071 5 жыл бұрын

bill philips Your poker style sounds super paranoid.

@jedbaguio4317 2 жыл бұрын

You can actually just take notice of the players behind you.. its not hard to spot proliferat 3betters... the average plater will only typically 3bet JJ+ and AK... that's like 3%ish... on live games, you average around 30 hands per hour.. hence if they 3bet more than 2 times per hour, you've got an above average 3bettor...

@razorback0z 4 жыл бұрын

09:20 "like no one like has like watched like as like much like tournament like poker as like I like have". Should have said that, with the tone of voice used, it would have worked better.

@ts4gv 4 жыл бұрын

razorback0z ok

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@s0uthpaw7 3 жыл бұрын

8:46 pretty much how it works..

@24magiccarrot 5 жыл бұрын

Does this mean I should get a refund on the starting hand chart that I purchased from gripsed.com?

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

lol : )

@hactnsa5784 5 жыл бұрын

Wait ,what lol? To the question (about 10s7s), “Why do you open or not open there?” You reply, “If you write down it depends on the players behind me, that’s not an answer” But then around 13:15 you go on to explain how you decide on why you bet depending on the players behind you and what format you’re playing...

@jonbrown8945 5 жыл бұрын

I noticed the exact same thing. What the hell

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

it's an answer, but he was saying it's not THE BEST answer, i.e. 1st priority is getting 3-bet, 2nd is players behind, etc.

@manum4352 4 жыл бұрын

@@gripsed yes but the three bet that you dont want to call there makes it a player that is behind us, and that means that the players that are begind you is the reason for raising or folding. He talks in the video as if the three bet doesnt make it a player, and that is not the case, is very contradictict what he says here

@jedbaguio4317 2 жыл бұрын

It means "just depends" is an answer what most poker players say when they don't know the answer but don't want to look stupid... that's the kind of "just depends" he's talking about...

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@ronaldwose340 5 жыл бұрын

2 tapper connected cards.

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@kevinscott1390 5 жыл бұрын

Why did you say if you wrote it depends who’s behind you isn’t a answer but then say well if the people behind you will almost never 3 bet then you should open every time but if good players are there that will 3 bet a lot it’s not as good. You contradict your self there. Hmm I do like your videos still good hob

@Motivatedk9 5 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing.

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

Seems like Alex made a misplay in this one hahaha

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@undrwrldsk8fred 5 жыл бұрын

This channel is amazing

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Smoke God!!!!

@undrwrldsk8fred 5 жыл бұрын

Team Gripsed Poker Training - Evan Jarvis would love to see more videos focusing on cash game strategies

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@NatureandSpirit111 5 жыл бұрын

Having a good game plan means giving yourself the best odds to make money. Nothing else. Having the will power to stick to the game plan is something different and hard to do because we have this ego getting in the way. My key take away is to find hands where I cannot be cornered so easily or vice versa. What I mean by that is pinning certain positions at the table with starting hands that I can make the most money with as already proven to me in my own experience. On top of that, staying aware of what my opponents ranges are in all positions they open in a majority of the time. For now I will not open there at all only when based on what my opponents open with a majority of the time and I have a starting hand I can exploit them with.

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

I wish youtube allowed me to Pin 2 comments on one video because this Nicholas is an awesome breakdown of the main teaching of the video. Thank you for sharing this!!!

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@straight_flizzy 5 жыл бұрын

“If you’re being criticized, it’s a good thing...”

@MatthewWagnerNOECA 3 жыл бұрын

I guess that's why I'm so successful... I'm not trying to do what anybody else is trying to do.

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@GiGi-tt8oo 3 жыл бұрын

Your Awesome

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@OMCPoker 5 жыл бұрын

Sound level of the intro is good, but fix the sound!!!!

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

will do Harold! Expect way better sound in future videos, I've invested in new equipment and new post editing.

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@justiceforall3973 3 жыл бұрын

Sooooo, back to A-B-C poker?!🤷🏻‍♂️

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@Charlie_Ses 5 жыл бұрын

Christ I hate that Negrano ad.

@yourgraph4571 5 жыл бұрын

You need to be all loosey goosey and have a sandwich

@theejayzeeable 5 жыл бұрын

Steve Thomas You hate it because you refuse to accept that everything you do at the poker table CONVEYS information.

@OlYables 5 жыл бұрын

"The first part of a great poker player is just the raw skill". Good luck teaching that!

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

yeah, leave the teaching of that up to EVAN GRIPSED JARVIS!

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

Thumbs up 1000000

@hoifui 3 жыл бұрын

Okay when does he start talking about the actual strategy...

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@MCAlvesPortugal Жыл бұрын

You don't think with your head.

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@Hotobu 4 жыл бұрын

I think saying "starting hand range charts" is sensationalizing things a bit in fact you contradict yourself a bit. You even say "they're a good bassline". That's the real truth. They're good for letting you visualize the top X% of hands if you're trying to determine a range, and to let you understand how much you're deviating from a norm when you decide to open up your range. Beginners need to understand that A9o UTG is a bad idea, and intermediate players need to be reminded of it. They're also nice if a player tilts a bit, and they have a framework to fall back on, i.e. J10o in middle position should be folded almost always.

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@BAlvn-yr6ej 5 жыл бұрын

people that "defend" with almost anything to a >3x open are just stupid...is "everyone and their brother" really doing this? why???? this is what someone like Warren Buffet would call "putting good money after bad" ... and it is so wonderful playing OOP too... are there that many fish out there, or is this just talking about tournaments??? (serious question) i honestly cannot even remember the last time i flatted on the BB with no hand...maybe occasionally getting like 5 or 6-1.

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

exactly, it all depends on sizing. defending range vs a 2x (and w/ antes in play) is way diff than facing a 3x (especially w/ no ante)

@demondwilliams7345 4 жыл бұрын

I defend 80% of my range in tournaments with the big blind ante. It helps later in tournaments when you have that image. I work in some bluffs and I get real sticky when I connect on the flop. Late in tournaments, people rarely raise higher than 3x.

@iamdavidjacob3560 4 жыл бұрын

In all of my games, players call in any position with virtually any hand , 5X plus raises. then 4 other people call, and you are going 6 way to the flop with QQ. Good luck.

@alexatedw 3 жыл бұрын

Lol. Well I’m just an odd duck. I use my suits to get opening frequencies correct

@gripsed Жыл бұрын

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@FosterFox5 5 жыл бұрын

If the reason that you think that you’re successful is because of luck then why should I be your student in a game of skill?

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

luck is only a part of the reason. And the more skill you have, the more payoffs you get from the times you are lucky.

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@Beanmachine91 5 жыл бұрын

range charts are the biggest crock of shit ive seen! im glad i think outside the box

@stonedsoul3469 3 жыл бұрын

poker theory is good but you got it backwards with chess. beginners are weak very often because they spend too much time studying openings when they should be focusing on tactics and positional fundamentals. i know what i'm talking about. you can look me up on lichess.org where i play under the username LOLcatSHOW

@CheddarmanGeo 3 жыл бұрын

Weird flex

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@jburch5752 5 жыл бұрын

You can make money teaching poker which has a far lower variance than playing poker.

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

you can, but it can't substitute the excitement of putting your opponent to the test for a big bet. That's why Alex and I both play and teach at this point in our careers, we just love the game so much!

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@fredgarvin4482 5 жыл бұрын

first

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@yourgraph4571 5 жыл бұрын

Sorry, the demeanour comes across as condescending in this material; therefore it's not for me and I can't see myself watching this to the end.

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

No sweat brother, Alex's teaching isn't for everyone. I promise you you'll find my style much more inviting though :)

@yourgraph4571 5 жыл бұрын

Who are you? Evan? If so I used to watch your videos a long while back now! Glad you're back !!

@MonkieSystem 5 жыл бұрын

Alex addressed that in "Master Tournament Poker in One Class." He believes that talking to guys the way an athletic coach talks to his players holds their attention better so that they learn more. He even speculated that some of the students actually miss that from their high school athletic days. In my own experience I remember that my military basic training instructors talked to us the same way, and I never paid closer attention to anyone in my life.

@samsonpapaya8716 4 жыл бұрын

😴

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@acethebardarian2804 5 жыл бұрын

I genuinely wanna listen to the content you've worked so hard to put out for us, but the way you pronounce stuff sometimes is so pretentious and self-important that I can't stop cringing

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@matiasss550 4 жыл бұрын

man too much talking !!!! nice vid but you keep going around and around.... go to the point man.

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@Beanmachine91 5 жыл бұрын

this is why i dont watch doug polk

@yourgraph4571 5 жыл бұрын

What is?

@Beanmachine91 5 жыл бұрын

@@yourgraph4571 doug polk is a professional, i think hes right about some things and hes friends with phil hellmuth. i think range charts are a self restriction and i dont like the idea lol

@gripsed 5 жыл бұрын

I agree!