Jedi: peaceful and content Sith: IT'S ABOUT DRIVE, IT'S ABOUT POWER, WE STAY HUNGRY, WE DEVOUR-

Shows that the Sith could beat the Jedi, if only they could beat their own self-interests & worked together without backstab & betrayal, they could have ruled the galaxy for thousands of years. Then again, that's the thing with evil: it consumes itself. Edit: You can tell people are interested in this, there are new replies after a year.

*Sith Master [to apprentice]:* And your driving goal should be to kill me [cough cough], I mean _not_ kill me …and in fact protect my life at all cost.

Basically the Sith were all about maxing that grind

The Sith got that drip too

Sith Lord: *Tosses Apprentice into the wild to die* Also Sith Lord: *Punishes apprentice for failing to get stronger after surviving*

When your choices are grow or die, most will try to grow. The fear of being killed is a pretty good motivator, as the sith have shown. After you get to the top, you need to keep going to prevent those around and below you from catching up to you.

the armor concept art is ridiculously cool.. why disney isnt properly investing in a old republic film series is beyond me

SWTOR showcased that so well, there was _always_ rivalry amongst the Sith. Sometimes it even seemed as if there was more Sith boss fights than Jedi boss fights while playing the Warrior or Inquisitor. At the end of the day it was that trait that made the Sith Empire able to sack the Jedi Temple on Coruscant.

George Lucas: No, but quicker, easier, more seductive. Legends authors: And I took that personally.

The sith in the old republic were so badass. Bring back the dark council

A chick that has not left the nest shall never conquer the sky.

*Jedi after their padawan betrays them:* “Why did you do this!? You’re supposed to destroy the sith not join them!” *Sith after their apprentice betrays them:* “I’m so proud of you!”

That's why Wrath was feared by the Dark Council and Darth Viciate himself. He knew , keep your friends close but your potential destroyer closer.

If malgus was actually allowed to rule the sith empire and enact his reforms they'd of been unstoppable

That doesnt necessarily explain anything actually. It's a better explaination to say that 1: there were frequently less Sith than jedi because 2: the Sith prioritized the ability to do violence and hold power over others over discipline, knowledge, or wisdom. Sith acolytes who were not innately more talented at violence and survivability were killed. That's it, it's not that they were innately more powerful or that their training was better. Rather the training just killed off the weaker ones. So if you see a Sith they're more likely to be better warriors because being able to kill things is *far* more important to success as a Sith than as a jedi. A jedi can be a mediocre warrior and still be an accomplished diplomat, seer, healer, advisor, scientist etc. Jedi simply have a broader range of responsibilities. In a word survivorship bias. You see the terrifying Sith warrior in front of you cutting down a jedi master and her two padawans, you don't see the hundred dead acolytes who were driven mad or killed by the wild beasts of a thousand other worlds that were the equivalent of those padawans.

Well, there's also the fact that Jedi training was very limited and not directly martial, whereas the Sith valued physical and martial strength and put no limitations of what aspects of the force their apprentices could study.

Also people tend to forget that the Sith are drawing from the dark side... by tapping their emotions... Jedi on the other hands were tapping into the light side through being calm and centered... you can only become so calm, but you can always become more angry. The power you could take from the Dark Side had no limit.

Basically, Sith had Spartan training while Jedi had Athenian training. I do believe Jedi Shadow Sentinels would’ve been able to easily counter most of the Sith back in those days as they were trained field agents specifically trained to hunt down dark side users and apprehend or eliminate them - not to mention they were basically Jedi SpecOps trained in a variety of survival skills, espionage, and sabotage tactics on top of their normal Jedi training and they were generally just better at everything as they understood both the Light and Dark sides of the Force. (I don’t know if they were around then but they were during the clone wars and if they were allowed to do anything the Jedi would’ve easily won - but that was just one of the many tactical blunders of the council during that era).

As a SW nerd playing SWTOR so I can RP a sith it’s so sad to see that nobody realizes this. All the RP guilds have you do the same basic training that Padawans do at the ages of 5 - 7 but they act like they’re some all powerful empire of evil geniuses

“Most Jedi Knights were satisfied with that rank, and had no desire to become a master”… Anakin: What?! That’s outrageous!

It was a quality over quantity. Most Jedi survive training, even if they are weaker in the Force. As long they are good enough they graduated and became knights. Sith on the other hand compete against against each other in their academies. Less students survive, most being maimed or dying along the way. The strong dominate the weak, they fight to kill, and their ambition drives them to be better than any threat they could face. TL:DR: Jedi strive to be good enough. Sith strive to be the best.

The word acolyte gives me anxiety now

Because the Sith focus on short term power, while the Jedi focus on long-term enlightenment.

dem boys dripped out tho

Sith crave power. Jedi try not to crave. It makes sense who becomes the stronger.

And that was before the Rule of Two, so for the most part the Sith Empire wanted its agents to be as strong as possible in order to enact the Sith Grand Plan.

That’s the thing though. The Sith were powerful but unfocused. We saw time and time again that they could easily stomp the Republic and the Jedi when someone came along and forced them to get their shit together. Khan’s Brotherhood, Bane’s Rule of Two, Revan’s Empire, the actual Sith Empire of Revan’s time, Vitiate and both of his empires. But the Sith were too chaotic to ever be focused for long. One Sith can muck up a whole war, as we again saw with every time the Sith actually got their shit together and went all in.

Stronger than Jedi Masters, weaker than Republic Soldiers💀

It's because you didn't have to be good at using the force to fight to become a Jedi Master. You could be a Jedi who just focuses on healing or using the force to make art or music or just be a Master of Battle Meditation. Even in Luke's Jedi order there were Jedi who had no martial skills at all

Jedis: hippies Siths: corporate ladder

they were buffing the muscles!

Sith: Bro you won't grind? Jedi Padawans: Nah we got the power of plot with us

Firstly that guy in the picture is actually a fairly powerful Sith Lord hose name I have forgotten, but he was a “rival” to malgus, which no matter how dismissive malgus was of him puts him as pretty strong, he was as I understand in joint command of the assualt with him. That puts him more on the level of a council master. But also this wasn’t a random ship full of sith, this was a hand picked elite strike team. Also in this raid on the temple there was only a single jedi master present, Ven zallow, who we see due to Malgus. In the book covering these events it is specifically noted that most upper level knights and almost all masters are not present, with zallow being left in charge. They kinda weren’t tbh, and I’ve never seen anything to suggest it, the average sith acolyte will be better than the average knight yes 100% because of the harsh training and low survival right only the best sith live and so they are on average better. But I think it’s important to note that jedi training is not as soft as many people here seem to think, in order to become a knight you had to pass through multiple levels of psychological torture, or have already experienced significant hardship so as to have the trials waved. Combined with the fact that in order to even become a padawan you had to demonstrate your skills to masters, which while in times like the clone wars doesn’t always mean beating the shit out of other padawan prospects it sure as hell would during war time. History and feats have shown that all the way up, jedi masters are on par with Sith Lords, there may be weak or strong outliers for both but the parity remains. The same goes for knights, and while it may be true that jedi knights are on average slightly weaker, it should be noted most of our info on this comes from peace time after the sith vanished where martial prowess mattered less. The sith could never have won even without their infighting, because they lacked the number, jedi managed to nearly as effectively train their members and weed out the weak while not killing(most of them), and because of a lack of focus on combat they had greater specialization. There was probably 1 knight to every 1 sith because quite simply their training was relatively comparable at the time, but the Jedi also had healers, engineers, highly advanced telepaths, and philosophers. On top of that they had entire corps of people below the knights to support them. A knight may only be .9 of a sith but for every one sith the Jedi have a dozen .1s, .2s and .3a lying around

Doesn't matter however we can agree that on both sides the old republic versions would wipe the floor with what exists in current (considering cannon cause master Luke from legacy and the sith he fought with are a different breed from everything) and then be disappointed in what their decendants are and what they did.

why the hell to the bad guys have so much more drip than the good guys?

Infighting was actually encouraged by the Sith empire and ultimately the Sith empire saw this as for every master or apprentice who died would be replaced with a stronger Sith who would fulfill the dead masters or apprentice roles better. Add in their training was meant to strengthen their connection to the dark side which was generally combat training that mostly was a case of live or die. Also consider unlike the modern empire the sith actively seeked to expand their ranks and were open to pretty any force sensitive that showed promise this included slaves. Where as the average jedi trained for mastery and strengthening their connection to the force its never for the sake of power ideally and generally most jedi who showed the potential to grow stronger eventually peaked do to limited growth or became outcasts because their power lead them to the dark side which was rather banished outright or executed by jedi sentinels whos goal was to hunt any signs of the dark side. This meant most jedi while very much dangerous to some extent had an upper limit sense the strongest jedi at the time were prodigies which is not normal. Not every jedi could be to the same level as luke revan or palpatine and it was not expected of them where as the sith expected absolute perfection or you would die. So ultimately id say its a combination of enviorment and training as well as a strong encouragement for self improvement via strengthening their connection to the darkside at all costs or playing the corporate ladder climbing via infighting and cunning that makes the sith so strong. I mean the modern sith does not really have this sense most sith acolytes are not actually sith but purely pawns in vader, duku or palpys game and ultimately are at best assassins or a replacement.

The reason why Cal is pretty cracked symbolizes that Jedi that learned survival will become very ve try powerful, as it also works for Ahsoka

I forget the exact quote or what game it's from, but it was a sith saying how they are stronger as the requirements for becoming a sith lord are much higher than that other a jedi knight or master. He said something about how many jedi were granted the title of knight over a long stretch of time but at the same time only a handful of sith lords were granted the title in the same time because to be a Sith you must prove your strength.

something that always gets me, Revan during his time as a dark lord of the sith attempted to teach that for one to become the new dark lord they must defeat the master in single combat but many sith wanted the position without earning it, Malak was powerful in his own rights but was no where near his master he polluted the pool by shooting revan in the back, this is what keeps happening with the sith, the apprentice does not earn the title of dark lord

There is also the misunderstood premise that Jedi masters are supposed to be strong. But the definition Jedi use for strong can be anything, strong in strategy/understanding/conflict resolution etc. all these are paths to Jedi masters can take, while the sith only provided one path, violence.

Quite frankly, one is a warrior and the other is a monk. One lives for conflict, the other for peace.

Swtor to this day is the best way to immerse yourself into Star Wars. I really started thinking like a Sith Lord while playing 😂😂 Ego was >>>>

Makes me want to start my 999th play through as a sith Warrior

Jedi: learn how to keep peace Sith: train for killing anything

I ❤this! Listen to lore all day!!!!!!!

The only great weakness of the Sith is their ridiculous infighting. If Marr or Malgus had succeeded and the Sith could have stopped fighting, they would have overwhelmed the Jedi. The easiest way to defeat the Sith is by doing nothing. If you take away their work, they will become extremely quarrelsome.

Sith acolytes also survived off merit to begin with. The weak died while the strong survived while the Jedi kept the weak and trained them to be useful.

In conclusion, it was a skill issue

We destroyed each other, we desired secrets of each other. Ajunta Pall. First sith lord

You know your sith when: You skip tutorials. Never read the instructions. Always win at monopoly.

Sith Acolytes were also present in the ' Force Unleashed ' series

Very good explanation, sometimes the Sith were smarter than the Jedi with the ir methods.

Jedi: The Roleplayers Sith: The Asmongoloids

They had that Sithma Male Grindset

Sith on the Sigma grindset

More than that. As explained by Bane and later Yoda after order 66, Jedi train to face threats they know and have already encountered before. Sith work to BE a threat that no one has seen yet. Jedi are reactive in the quest for more power, Sith are proactive. Therefore, jedi tend to play catch up with the sith. Only by being completely overpowering (Yoda VS Dooku or Ventress) will it not matter. Otherwise, pound for pound, we compare a passive Jedi VS go getter Sith.

You can hold onto hate for aeons but forgiving and being peaceable is a “one moment at a time” thing

Just because you become a Jedi Knight, it doesn't make you a master.

Seeing how a lot of sith act it makes me love Darth Marr ten times more because he is what every sith should aspire to be and he wasn't a dumb power hungry idiot like some sith and he respected his opponents like Satele Shan and in time became allies

Example A darth mall was cut in half and his hatred for one person kept him alive

It's about drive, it's about power, we stay hungry, we devour!

I can't wait for The Acyolytes to come out to see something before the skywalker era. Don't get me wrong I've loved everything I've seen but finally, something before any of that. But i'm also really looking forward to Ahsoka and Mandalorian season 3 for sure too

Jedi: "come young one, I will teach you till you're ready." Sith: "swim bitch!" *throws apprentice into lake *

Nox is the best example

In terms of developing one’s technique and discipline, the Sith method actually sounds much worse than the Jedi one. Having a master who trains you directly on a regular basis instead of one who shows you the basics and has you figure out most of the rest yourself would result in very underdeveloped students in real life. Also, for a Jedi, all the rank of Master means is that you’ve successfully trained another Padawan to Knighthood. It’s much more of a formality than the Sith rank and not always the best measuring stick of a Jedi’s power.

So basically the Sith had that Goggins mentality

Also, the sith don't have like a lot of codes when it comes to morals, so they don't hold back

But then we see them getting bodied by normal republic troopers in the cinematic trailers.

If the Sith weren’t so busy fighting each other, they could take over everything. They are so powerful when working together.

this is true to real life as well. people who’s parents guide them and direct them away from hardship, typically end up being satisfied easily, and do not require more money or power to be happy. Some people raise their kids by throwing them to the wolves to make them hungry for more. It creates determined people, but also assholes. The former is more likely to care about others than the latter

I think it's interesting that the standard sith training method is very much like the yellow-bladed jedi's drive to go out and be a part of the larger universe. Interesting also that the jedi phased that subclass out of their own ranks, except for temple guards who were granted those lightsabers honorifically

It's basically like greek hoplites and spartan hoplites

Sith's where Adults. Jedi's where 3-4y olds wondering why their momy did not write them anymore.

There’s a lot of power in hate & anger.. only thing to compare is love.

I agree with this assessment 100%!

So basically go full on Vergil mode

This was the path of Man-Bun Tjock. THE CANON Sith Warrior of the Old Republic.

if only "The Acolyte" show was like that? From the Sith point ot view.

I'm sure Sith would be able to partner up few seem to care about helping to prevent others from dying a rare interest for the Sith .

"Most Jedi Knights were satisfied with that rank, and had no desire to become a master." If only Anakin Skywalker could've felt this way. If only Obi-Wan Kenobi could've felt this way.

A prime example of this is during the Fatal Alliance Old Republic Book. Eldo Ax was a fair bit stronger than her Jedi Padawan counter-part, although not vastly superior in skill she was clearly, as a acolyte, as strong if not stronger than the average Jedi Knight. That book also goes to show how strong Satele Shan is as well. Great read honestly.

Bro on the thumbnail looks like a peacekeeper

Thanks for enabling subtitels on the video so that i can read the edited subtitle's subtitles. And also get vastly distracted from the actual video

*Good".... *chuckles* "Good" 👍😎

pOWER!! *SSSSSTREEEENGTH!!!*

Not to mention that the dark side of the force is more easily adapted to combat, and Jedi focussed on peacekeeping and defence rather than offence. Think of sport, offensive focussed teams win more often than defensive focussed ones. Offence only has to win once, defence has to win every time.

my acolyte in old republic is like naw bro i got privilege he was a lord in 3 days

Or maybe it's because the Sith focused more on pure combat training while the Jedi focused more developing inner peace and harmony with the force. It's like training a rifleman and a swordsman. A man can be trained to shoot a rifle skillfully in a few weeks while it takes years to train a man to skillfully use a sword.

So the Jedi were helicopter parents, while the sith masters went out for cigarettes and let their apprentice fight for their own survival 🤔

Because strong emotions can be a very useful tool for progress

Ambitious nature of the Sith is what have them power but also blinded them

I mean, that title does sound bad ass I can't blame them

The duality of life. There will only ever be 2 choices in life.

Jedi Masters? No way in hell. Jedi Knights? Ye, quite often.

"We are the Seekers. Not the Shepherds." Yuthura Ban

Its the drip it's just to powerful

Acolytes and Knights were equivalent. In the OR, it was all about quantity over quality on both sides. Post-Bane, Sith Apprentices were typically stronger than Jedi Masters because of the restrictive nature of the rule of two which inevitably led to all Apprentices selected being prodigies.

The sith training is almost like the training of the Spartans

that final shot is my armor