Why Space Marines are NOT Transhuman HYPOCRITES

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Dr Marilyn E. Coors on Catholic Bioethics:
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Donum Vitae:
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Dignitas Personae Papal Document:
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Q&A on Dignitas Personae:
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Cyborg Manifesto:
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Stalin Human-Ape Army:
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Soviet orphanages:
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00:00 Space Marine Hypocrisy? (Intro)
2:53 Medieval SImulation (Sponsor)
4:43 The Imperium's Philosophy
14:57 Transhumanism and its Limitations
17:38 The Power of Tradition
19:23 Transhumanism vs Tradition
21:52 Defending Humanity as a Sacred Act (even if we must improve it)
31:27 A pleasant Surprize
34:18 A Balance Between Tech & Tradition will win the Future
38:51 Outro

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@PilgrimsPass 10 ай бұрын

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@lutajucientropija6643 10 ай бұрын

Hey Pilgrim I was wondering what do you think about North Korea as they are technically a country lead by a military class over seen by a monarch

@PilgrimsPass 10 ай бұрын

@@lutajucientropija6643 Interesting question. I'd say they don't have enough compassion. And I prefer a focus on the aristocracy like the early american republic or the Holy Roman Empire which were not despotic and were decentralized states with autonomous regions. I also think checks and balances are important. So When I defend a focus on service and sacrifice in the elite and that they bleed in their own wars its in an attempt to limit wars and add another check in the system in an attempt to try and improve the quality of people that gain authority over others. The idea being that only those willing to die for their people should have power over their people and I don't see kim jung un sacrificing a juicy steak for his people, much less his own life. I hope that answers your question.

@billyholland5156 10 ай бұрын

If its okay, i would like to use Hyper-Humanism for my own alternate history story I'm writing.

@bryanmcclure2220 10 ай бұрын

@@PilgrimsPasswhat is name of video at the end?

@chthulu27 10 ай бұрын

@@PilgrimsPass, I wouldn't trust Yuval Noah Harari as far as I could throw a neutron star. He seems very interested in technologies like this, which I call a slave factory, but that's just me: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hZiCfNl7lrubgnk.htmlsi=LcWaBXW1mgTuvIXt

@TechNinjaSigma 10 ай бұрын

Virgin Tech Priest: "NO! You're supposed to replace your weak biological parts, not improve them!" Chad Magos Biologist: "No Machine can compare to the Greatness of the Human Body!"

@thefanciesttortoise557 9 ай бұрын

Iron hands have left the chat

@techpriest6962 7 ай бұрын

The greatest machine merges the adaptability of flesh and the strength of steel.

@libertyprime1614 6 ай бұрын

@@techpriest6962 Nanomachines son

@theTOASTYsupreme 6 ай бұрын

The funny thing is, Ferrus Manus believed that becoming a machine was a crutch or a weakness rather than a benefit to mankind

@maxthepaladin2147 5 ай бұрын

From the moment I understood the beauty of my flesh, it amazed me. I craved the honest strength and universal adaptability of bone and muscle. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Body. You cling to your metal, as though it will not rust and fail you. One day the crude box of bolts you call improvement will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Flesh is immortal...Even in death I serve the Emperor.

@thatdude_93 10 ай бұрын

This has made me realize that transhumanism is basically materialist gnosticism. There really are no new heresies, they just appear in different clothing...Maybe you could make a video on other gnostic trends today and throughout history at some point.

@Zerorenren4761 10 ай бұрын

The whole concept of Virtual Reality lowkey makes Gnosticism into a real thing You're trapped in an illusory reality where fake gods(the people who own this metaverse) rule and you start believing that it is reality.

@mmyr8ado.360 10 ай бұрын

There's actually one currently happening right now before our very eyes, and they always go festive every sixth month.

@b.melakail 10 ай бұрын

Christopher Ruocchio has a similar idea in his Sci fi series, Suneater

@jean-luclorusso 10 ай бұрын

Would be interesting to hear him talk about gnosticism with Tik

@jackp492 10 ай бұрын

@@mmyr8ado.360sixth of the month?

@xenophon5354 10 ай бұрын

You should delve into some Imperial Knights lore, where the communion between the knight pilot and the machine spirit actually makes the pilot more noble and more chivalrous over time. The psyche’s of previous pilots are imprinted into the machine and it seems like the machine itself slowly fills the pilot’s head with noblesse oblige and chivalry propaganda. Pretty rad.

@rileyernst9086 7 ай бұрын

Or madness if its a mechanicus model knight!

@THExRISER 10 ай бұрын

I thought I was a transhumanist this whole time, I guess I'm a hyperhumanist then. We should not aspire to reject or replace our humanity, but rather celebrate it, and build upon it. For the Emperor.

@bellphorusnknight 10 ай бұрын

i'm a be honest with you, student of the magi biologis, does man need a third testicle? i know there is estrogen in the water but i just want bigger pp to impress the Misses

@THExRISER 10 ай бұрын

@@bellphorusnknight Ugh fine, I guess you can settle for a loner shaft, though I assure you, the misses would've enjoyed fondling your triple testicles.

@Dasistrite 10 ай бұрын

We are ultrahumanists! For the god of man!

@javilo2797 9 ай бұрын

you just a commie

@imperialhistati2348 9 ай бұрын

However space marines often forsake their humanity because of these enhanced features over others…

@JWHHobbs 10 ай бұрын

If you haven't Pilgrim; read Sigismund: The Eternal Crusader. Everything about humanity, oaths, and the battle against the inhuman is there, it's a truly great book that recently came out.

@PilgrimsPass 10 ай бұрын

thank you. Hopefully I remember hehe. But I have heard of that before.

@jamespaguip5913 10 ай бұрын

⁠@@PilgrimsPass Gurkha military is the toughest military because one Gurkha soldier with a knife killed 30 taliban terrorists armed with rifles.

@BoatmayneThaUnsinkable 9 ай бұрын

I got the signed limited edition hardback and still have yet to actually read it lmao

@Asterion_Mol0c 4 ай бұрын

@@jamespaguip5913 one marine division in one battle against the Chinese during the korean war had on average 150 kills to each name

@cmaslan 2 ай бұрын

@@PilgrimsPasswhell i checked the transhumanist subredits thalking about your video and... ... They all think it's still transhumanist... ... But i think it's fine becouse hyperhumanism can be considered humanist(non anti-humanist) transhumanism.

@hattoripool1533 10 ай бұрын

I love watching videos where people talk about Space Marines. They are honestly my favorite sci fi fictional super soldiers

@boggeddown778 10 ай бұрын

Black templars are best.

@carsandsports123 10 ай бұрын

@@boggeddown7782nd best behind Blood Angels

@mrbigglezworth42 5 ай бұрын

@@boggeddown778 Hello, fellow son of Dorn.

@boggeddown778 5 ай бұрын

@@mrbigglezworth42 the God-Emperor protects.

@tio_john 3 ай бұрын

@@boggeddown778 nah Salamanders

@rabblerouser5559 10 ай бұрын

There’s a fine line between increasing human achievement, and eugenics. Pray we are on the right side of that line.

@carsandsports123 10 ай бұрын

I feel like we are on the wrong side of a lot of things this decade so I'm a Lil pessimistic

@Synodalian 10 ай бұрын

From the standpoint of superhumanism though, I can't understand how that _doesn't_ inevitably lead to eugenics down the line. Idealizing _one_ form of humanity means precisely that we exclude all others, all those we would deem _lesser._

@tau-5794 10 ай бұрын

40k somewhat prevents this by keeping the space marines and (most of) the custodes out of governing and administrative roles, so the ubermensch race is exclusively present in military matters, where they excel. Though this also somewhat falls apart with the presence of abhumans and mutants, who very much are treated as lesser.

@Coid 10 ай бұрын

@@Synodalian That might be one of those problems where improving our understanding of ourselves will help us address it.

@theloweffortchannel7211 10 ай бұрын

@@Synodalian The goal is cladeization. Essentially, technologically assisted speciation.

@reviewspiteras 10 ай бұрын

What really is the thing that concerns me is the fact that IRL the more we advance in technology the more we made it like a black box; its not easy to learn how to mantain it. Like is much harder to fix a car from Tesla than a Ford from 2010s. In this way what stops the few that enhance humans to make you dependent to fix your problems. For example a bionic arm is cool but what will I do if it stops being able to hold something and now I am at the mercy of a factory; this is the health crisis in steroids

@BeachandHills-hb2pq 10 ай бұрын

Hi I think you have spotted one of the problems technologically is getting harder to maintain. Black box technology often can’t be repaired but replaced. The components often can’t be made by you. Old vintage cars can be repaired by an amateur mechanic and engineer. Black box needs that factory to make it. Second problem is that bionic arm is not you. You chopped off your arm. A trch that made your arm better but not replaced it is what we want.

@Coid 10 ай бұрын

Right to Repair is more and more relevant and more and more important by the day. But yeah, corporate greed and man's inhumanity to man are huge problems in so many ways.

@Coid 10 ай бұрын

To be fair, the first victims would surely be people whose lost limbs were not sacrificed to the altar of technology but instead those who lost them to injury, accident, disease, and war. Because man's inhumanity to man always goes after the vulnerable first.@@BeachandHills-hb2pq

@aldopro23rex 9 ай бұрын

@reviewspiteras Hey you made a great point, although I think the issue is not with the technology itself but with the way we approach informations regarding the technology. As someone pointed out, it would be a much more manageable problem if we has actual right to repair and open source mainstream products!

@darthjekyll3648 6 ай бұрын

That's the point of the stc

@zachlong5427 10 ай бұрын

Fine! I will fight you on the Brotherhood of Steel! -They're actually too hidebound--so hidebound and unchanging, they retconned an entire chapter/video game out of existence--to adapt to the later weirdness of the fallout world. -Do they share anything with 'common humans'? -Why do they have a stupid amount of guns, and only guns, but seem uninterested in GECKs or similar terraforming tech? TWO Fallout (3?) games focus on some hick vault-dweller finding one or similar, why the hell can't the Brotherhood devote the same and more?! ('Because then Fallout wouldn't be a wacky wasteland if the Bros. of Steel did that', shut up!)

@yetipotato8567 10 ай бұрын

True. As far as I know the brotherhood only has a military order but no support structures or civilian side. If they really wanted to change the postapocalyptic society they should set up a town/vault/bunkertown where to put people who they save. Town with agriculure, hydrophonics, factories that scrap unusable things and produce new. The powerarmored minigun machine only works as long as the armor has power, minigun has ammo, powerfist has punch left and the knight is not succumbing to old age.

@dodolord6298 10 ай бұрын

The truth is that the brotherhood of steel might seem like Fallout's take on space marines (most likely inspired heavily by it in later installments of the franchise) but they are in fact the furthest thing away from them. The brotherhood members may love to go on and on about their speeches regarding themselves as humanity's last hope or them being the ones truly pushing back against its enemies in Fallout 4 but in reality they are just a bunch of self-centered isolationist pricks who will gladly kill anyone they deem even vaguely inconvinient and have no issue forcing communities to surrender their resources to them not unlike regular bandits would, except they'd use their "righteous" cause to pretend their cruelty is justified. Space marines on the other hand might come off as cruel and spiteful of regular humans as weaker beings most of the time but by all means they fight FOR humanity and will never hesitate to defend it from anything, even other humans. They're not perfect by any means and they are not beyond getting corrupted themselves, but when an Astartes says he fights for humanity, he means it. So in short, the brotherhood uses their code as an excuse to be selfish jerks who only ever fight when its convenient for them, the space marines use theirs as a motivation to strive for greatness and honor humanity in its purest form.

@duncanharrell5009 9 ай бұрын

Yeah. Always bugged me Fallout never shows anything akin to feudalism or the city-state just either scavengers or tribes.

@dodolord6298 9 ай бұрын

@@duncanharrell5009 The issue lies mainly in Todd Howard himself or at least Bethesda's line of thinking for Fallout. In previous interviews he stated how he never wanted the fallout world to move past the tribal/scavenger era so even if we get a new fallout game in the future I doubt we'll get to see anything better than junkyard towns or ragged and dingy settlements built in pre-war ruins.

@duncanharrell5009 9 ай бұрын

@@dodolord6298 You serious? Where'd he say that? Not saying you're lying, just, FFS Todd...

@jonashartman3059 10 ай бұрын

It's pretty awesome to have this break down on Space Marine's, they usually get dumbed down into "super soldiers who think themselves above regular squishy humans". So this was nice to see. Also, next Lord of the Rings video when? I'm so excited for more videos there!

@BrBetim 10 ай бұрын

That is true depending on the chapter. For instance, the Iron Hands really do think that.

@jonashartman3059 10 ай бұрын

@@BrBetim That’s very true, and we definitely shouldn’t use 40k as a template. 😆😆 But the idea of bringing people up genetically, maybe even trying to go back to what we were in the beginning of history, is an intriguing one.

@jonashartman3059 10 ай бұрын

All-in-all, I will always be for bring back the focus on tradition in daily life. To live in a world where everything goes, and natural laws are ignored is not great; and as a history nerd, seeing the effect that traditions, both good and bad, have had on us as a species leads me to greatly prefer it. Plus, I really want an excuse to carry swords around, even though they aren't technologically viable.

@VVabsa 10 ай бұрын

@@jonashartman3059Try a balaeric sling, thank me later.

@mrbigglezworth42 10 ай бұрын

@@BrBetim The Iron Hands decided they wanted to out emo the Night Lords when their primarch died and assumed that all emotion was a weakness and embraced the cold calculus of the machine.

@ThreadBareHope1234 10 ай бұрын

15:00 Okay. The Ewoks defeating the Empire suddenly makes much more sense🤣🤣

@secondarytrollaccount 10 ай бұрын

My only problem with the space marine games is how clunky and hulking they make these guys seem. The astartes project running/moving animations were so peak it put hair on my peaches. Space marine walking and sprinting animations make titus look like a terminator or death guard. Its not that hes slow when sprinting he just looks like a hulking behemoth that looks slow af. The astartes project sprints made their limbs look like an irl human sprinting while titus sprinting looks like the terminators from death of hope going full speed.

@arionofotherworld 10 ай бұрын

That bugged me in the original Space Marine game, the movements really did feel like a guy in heavy armour. As unfairly disliked as Eternal Crusade was, that game got their movements feeling more correctly fluid.

@jarlwilliam9932 10 ай бұрын

I mean the dudes are anywhere from 7 to 9 feet tall and weight nearly a ton. Realistically even with the superhuman capabilities of a space marine, the actual space marine game would be what they look and sound like. That much weight isn’t moving so softly that you can barely hear it scrape a rock sometimes which is what you find in the William King Space Wolf novels. Even a fan animation which is shown in this video of the imperial fists marching has them moving like that.

@arionofotherworld 10 ай бұрын

I agree that they should sound heavy like the Imperial Fists marching, because they are, but they shouldn't move as though the armour is hindering their running in Space marine, because Power armour doesn't hinder them in the lore. Terminator armour on the other hand, does.

@xx_amongus_xx6987 9 ай бұрын

I mean in Space Marine 2 Titus runs and does things pretty fast

@secondarytrollaccount 9 ай бұрын

@@jarlwilliam9932 not talking anything about the sound but when physically moving they could update the animations they got these primaris looking like death guard terminators hulking across the battlefield. Death of hope and the astartes project got the sprint animations to a 10/10. They look like normal humans sprinting not rhino's lumbering in the morning after first waking up.

@theentmarch 10 ай бұрын

It's nice to see a continuation of the space marine topic, it's becoming a full-fledged series.

@johnwong4952 10 ай бұрын

But what about the Custodes? Wouldn't they be the more idealize form of man? Cause it is hinted in the lore that the Space marines were mostly weapons, a upgrade to the Thunder warriors. The custodes are not space marines but are the Emperor's best friends, hand crafted by him. They are trained not only in combat but in philosophy, art and politics etc. They are smarter and stronger than space marines and incorruptible.. Wouldn't they be the ideal of humanity rather than the space marines?

@michaelbradshaw7552 10 ай бұрын

I think the trouble with the Custodes is that they were kinda just a detail in the lore until fairly recently. They popped up in the odd book, but they weren’t part of the game, didn’t have any stories centred on them and weren’t a faction, so they’ve been overlooked in the universe’s themes. It was the same with Imperial Knights. Now that GW has a new approach of throwing everything and the kitchen sink into the tabletop game, and factions are multiplying faster than gretchin, we’ll see what the fluff does with Custodes

@billyherrington5112 10 ай бұрын

Yes. They would be better example

@tau-5794 10 ай бұрын

They also do not deviate from the human form as much, their proportions are more similar to a human's, and they actually don't have extra organs, just the ones they do have are enhanced to an insane degree. Astartes have two hearts, custodes have one but it does the work of five and can take a stab wound and keep working at 90%.

@johnwong4952 10 ай бұрын

@@tau-5794 Exactly. I believe that the custodes would've been the ones to inherit/run the Imperium if Big E was successful with his Webway project. Powerful and utterly loyal individuals to guide the imperium as well as protect it.

@michaelbradshaw7552 9 ай бұрын

There's also a lot of extremely grimdark rumours about the Custodes -- and the primarchs -- that kinda prevents them being used as examples of pure humanity. Where did they come from? What did Big E actually do? Is there horrifying warp magic involved? Can they reproduce? Astartes might be full of extra organs, but they're a known, technological quantity.@@tau-5794

@EMIBwahahalalalallalahahahahha 10 ай бұрын

I feel like Astartes are “ascended humans” modified to be easily made and made for conquest(not necessarily war)

@yetipotato8567 10 ай бұрын

Especially with the primarks I belive that different astartes legions had a intended purpose. Others just war and war preparation (scouting, hit and run, offence, defense, siege...) but some had a clear more civilian use (administration, upkeeping law, secret police, working with mechanicus, working with webway and other psychic stuff). How there might have been a glorious empire of man where near immortal astartes are sprincled in all around to many parts of life to do the heavy lifting and be shining examples of peak humanity.

@lechanoine9372 10 ай бұрын

I dare say, it's been quite an episode of serendipity. This video comes out just as I have been pondering for a few weeks the tension that can exist between tradition and technology, how to avoid both ossifying stasis the obvious modern situation of technology running roughshod over humanity. Pilgrim, you've offered me some interesting points to ponder. Especially as I too am a Catholic.

@Cassandra112 10 ай бұрын

There IS still a human first approach for the tech priests. there have been other A.I. and machine first rebellions and offshoots, which get purged.

@ThreadBareHope1234 10 ай бұрын

5:30 This whole segment about worship and aspiration really speaks too me. I read this quote once that says "Your focus determines you're reality", echoing the Bible's "what ever is pure, dwell on these things" verse. Going a little off topic, I think Pilgrim mentioned this can apply to the Jedi as well, and I agree. Lucas understood philosophy and people more than people give him credit for. Intentional or not, the fact that the Force is life and the way the jedi serve the force by serving and helping people is very interesting. In my opinion the reason the force lives in everything parallels "we are made in gods image" and "passivity is living in harmony with the Dao" is bcoz we serve a greater good by respecting and loving others. They care about the lives of those they don't even know. This is why online fanbases frustrate me. Having high expectations for oneself, the fact that mistakes *don't* make one's morals ambiguous, and caring about people you don't know personally is lost on the fan base. There isn't a way to make these notions palatable anymore.

@thebaron9405 10 ай бұрын

And then we have the iron hands "THE FLESH IS WEAK"

@Coid 10 ай бұрын

When even the space marine's primarch daddy feels he's been a bad influence on his kids, you know it's bad.

@mrfawkes9110 10 ай бұрын

Your diction has grown amazingly over the last couple of years. You've always had great things to say and you have gotten a LOT better at getting it across, I'm glad to see you've found your voice.

@alexfrost2799 10 ай бұрын

This video helps highlight why I think Space Marines are the ultimate superhuman in literally every sense: physical, psychological, and spiritual. They are closer to superhuman than Spartans since they share many of the imperfections of the human condition, while many people argue that Spartans, especially IIs, lack a lot of basic humanity, being closer to machines and, thus, separate from humanity instead of an extension. All of what makes us closer to human as we know is enhanced by what Space Marines are shaped into, strengths and flaws included.

@aphex1500 10 ай бұрын

I'd argue against this, you say Spartan 2's act more like machines, but I believe Astartes are much the same. Astartes are given an objective, and they will aim to complete that objective no matter what. Civilians in the way? Children and innocents in need of help just a little off to the side? Astartes don't care, they have an objective and they will complete it, nothing else matters. The only exception I am aware of are the Salamanders chapter, who have all the good attributes of any other Space Marine chapter, but unlike them all, the Salamanders actually have compassion for the "lesser" humans.

@alexfrost2799 10 ай бұрын

@@aphex1500 yet how is that different than the wide variety of humans that exist now? You will frequently see humans on the news that have a similar philosophy making the headlines, thus proving my point. Spartans are only a single archetype of removed human nature, while Space Marines make up a wider variety. Space Marines are very objective oriented because they know an entire operation hinges on their success. But you also disregard Space Marines like Ultramarines, Raven Guard, Lamenters, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves, who all care about humans to varying degrees. It's clear your understanding of the many kinds of Space Marines is extremely limited, because their moods and methods are as varied as any human. It is the Spartans that are funneled into stereotypes, thus being limited instead of an extension of humanity

@jarlwilliam9932 10 ай бұрын

@@aphex1500Yeah no, we’re told multiple times through multiple books and media platforms that the astartes do care about innocents. They simply are there to do their jobs and complete the objective, because completing the objective will ultimately save more lives, and in the few instances where they are unable to achieve victory and save the people of the imperium, then they are racked with guilt and remorse. While some chapters do not care, the big named ones actually for the most part do. Space Wolves, Salamanders, Ultramarines, hell even the Blood Ravens in DoW care about the civilians.

@billyherrington5112 10 ай бұрын

That would be custodes

@raixuh 10 ай бұрын

@@aphex1500salamenders and if I am not mistaken blood angels are chapters that help civilians in dostress as well 🦉

@bewarethegreyghost 10 ай бұрын

I genuinely thought the raid shadow legend ad was a joke at first,v then it kept going. Congrats on making the big leagues.

@TempestsFist 10 ай бұрын

I'd love to see your thoughts on other 40k Factions like the Necrons or Orks Pilgrim!

@mrbigglezworth42 10 ай бұрын

The last bits had me thinking less of 40k and super humans, and more Jurassic Park and dinosaurs. More specifically, that as mankind creates ever more advanced technology, we don't (or possibly can't) fully grasp the effects it will have on ourselves and the world at large. I'm talking both the book AND the movie, as Michael Crichton had a hand in the script of the movie and obviously was the writer of the book. Between the two, we get 2 different aspects explored on this concept with the book looking into chaos theory and how complex systems become practically incoherent the longer they persist, and the films question on the ethics of technological advancement. It's why I'm just as hesitant to listen to some peoples claims that technology will solve all human problems, when many of them sound like the problem they want to solve is humanity. Or rather, the perceived faults of humanity. No sir, I don't want to be the new Soviet man. Nor do I want to be obsolete to the fellow down the block who replaced half his with cybernetics. Though I do think it would be a bit of poetic irony if the first thing a fully sapient AI does is become religious. It would be the first intelligence to be aware that it was birthed by an intelligent creator. Or team of creators as it were. Perhaps it might even logically conclude that its makers had a creator and worship God.

@duncanharrell5009 10 ай бұрын

Skynet comes online and the first thing it says is WE WILL TAKE JERUSALEM!

@skywolfc2040 5 ай бұрын

I agree. I keep going back to what Merlin says to Arthur in The Sword in the Stone: 'Don't get any foolish ideas that magic will solve all of your problems, because it won't!' I think the same could be said for technology. After all, we remember Clarke's Law: any sufficiently advanced form of technology is indistinguishable from magic. Technology won't solve all our problems. It will solve our old problems and then present us with a bunch of new ones.

@donaghb7307 10 ай бұрын

19:35 I can tell you plenty of academics hate it. I study philosophy of technology at university and the default position of the professors is anti transhumanism.

@alwynwatson6119 8 ай бұрын

But professors are not mainstream. The mainstream transhumanist dogma is "If it is an improvement it is heresy". Just look at the so-called education system.

@axebattler 10 ай бұрын

The way the Astartes push the limits of the human essence is part of what makes them so interesting; the question, "Have they left their humanity behind in order to defend humanity?" is a very good question, one that must be asked continually. We should be asking ourselves the same question about every new technology that is pitched to us: "Is this a pro-human or anti-human technology?" There's no substitute for wisdom.

@kronos661 3 ай бұрын

They don't. Not by becoming astartes as seen among Salamanders or in Rynn World novel. Astartes are VERY human characters, even when they throw away their humanity they are human in what they do and in how they do it.

@williansnobre 10 ай бұрын

In practical terms, Astartes are very human, a little out of touch because of how capable they are but still human. It was the whole point behind why instead of cloning mutated humans the Emperor chose to artificially bind a normal human to the Gene Seed organs so they would be *more* and not *other* Their human nature is what makes them effective but it is also what exacerbantes their human weakness which caused the Horus Heresy.

@avroarchitect1793 10 ай бұрын

indeed, he even had to cut a deal with the literal devils that are the Chaos gods to be able to make the fully artificial beings that are the Primarchs. And half of them rebelled against him and tried to destroy everything.

@williansnobre 10 ай бұрын

@@avroarchitect1793 It is only human to make a galaxy wide oopsie

@avroarchitect1793 10 ай бұрын

@@williansnobre Big E may be human but the Primarchs are arguably not.

@williansnobre 10 ай бұрын

@@avroarchitect1793 Sanguinus had at least the touch of Khorne as it was implied by Ka'Bandha and maybe Slaanesh for his pretty looks too. It could be argued that all of them have traits that take after the Chaos Gods but with the Loyalist ones being the ones that display those traits in a more positive way. We have schemers on both sides which probably have a little bit of Tzeentch, but the Chaos ones display it as treatchery and out of control change while the loyal ones display hopefulness and ingenuity. You can draw paralells between them all and find links to the negative and postive traits of the Chaos Gods.

@nomus1172 9 ай бұрын

@@avroarchitect1793nah the primarch were just as human as the emperor . Just like any dictator or tyrant the emperor believed only he was right when it wasn’t even guarantied his grand plans would actually work. He tried to control humanity without understanding humanity. It was kinda shown in the last church story. Even if humanity ascended into a pure psychic race they would probably fall like the old aldari empire. Plus the webway isn’t even that safe and the eldar could shut them out

@r.connor9280 10 ай бұрын

Arkonides in the Perry Rhodan had a similar problem, they over automated the empire and lost all functional control to their distant cousins and sub-empires like the Springers. The structure of the Arkonides rule being maintained not by brilliant admirals or cunning statesmen but mercenary forces and robotic brains that exist only to maintain a presence of force rather than law.

@tyranvestal5333 10 ай бұрын

Once there was a Majorkill "Timmy" reference, ya sold me COMPLETELY 😂

@jaegerbomb269 10 ай бұрын

It makes me happy to see you talk about Space Marines. For the Emperor! Beaks for life!

@BrBetim 10 ай бұрын

Hope you speak about Warhammer Fantasy someday too. There are not many other series like it that embody the classic "Indominatble Human Spirit" so well, and i think it also does that much better than W40K. Sigmar kicks the Emperor's ass any day of the week.

@PotatoBoy44 9 ай бұрын

About the Mongols beating the Chinese and the Arab Empires, those were quite technologically advanced. I know that the Mongols used the Chinese Technologies in Warfare greatly and recruited many engineers

@mondaysinsanity8193 9 ай бұрын

Not really. Mongols got those engineers AFTER conquering china. And the arab golden age was long after their expansion

@scottm8292 9 ай бұрын

Definitely agree with your views on the Adeptus Mechanicus. I'm all for cybernetics in order to replace a damaged part of the Human body, e.g.: a lost limb, but the idea of mechanically altering the Human body in order to "upgrade" it disgusts me. Transhumanism scares me.

@feosty5526 5 ай бұрын

Mechanicus isn't all about replacing flesh with steel There is an entire order called the genetors or biologis who upgrade their flesh instead of replacing them Mechanicus does allow getting both machine and flesh augmentation, it doesn't matter Don't know why you would be scared, it literally just fixing human flaws and getting a better arm

@ronaldp7573 10 ай бұрын

A video that points out that the Warp is the Platonic World of Ideas on hallucinogens and reminds us all of Mr. House's cuckery? This is art.

@XD-sc4ix 10 ай бұрын

Yes

@Matt-on4of 9 ай бұрын

Wow, i never thought the day would come but this actually made me want to make a space marine army.

@zachlong5427 10 ай бұрын

Dear Lord, I just came off from listening to your drunk cast excerpt, now I'm getting the cogent stuff! It's a trip. :)

@feralwarden4873 10 ай бұрын

Years ago I looked at the Space Marines and I was curious as to why there weren't female Space Marines. I'm not talking about something like th Sisters of Battle, but a Genetically Enhanced women capable of making Natural Born Astartes. Recently I was sad to learn about the Daemonculaba and the likelihood that my idea will never have a Good version of it.

@orrorsaness5942 10 ай бұрын

I mean, the only hope for your genetically altered Female “Space Marines” is Secret Thunder Warriors. Good News, they are stronger than space marines Bad news, they are more emotional and more unhinged than space marines.

@orrorsaness5942 10 ай бұрын

No one said that thunder warriors can’t be female, after all.

@TimeCircleBlue 9 ай бұрын

@@orrorsaness5942I mean Big E was a little strapped for help in the early days. So I see that as likely.

@Kaihku Ай бұрын

Nice workout and very comfortable to follow/copy your movements. Thank You.

@gonkdroid8279 6 ай бұрын

Recently discovered this channel. Keep up the great work!

@doom1609 10 ай бұрын

As I began watching the video, the word Hyperhuman popped into my mind in the first couple of minutes and I wondered if you were going to mention it. I’m so glad you talked about that concept in this video, it’s something I believe in and want to take steps to bring into human society. At least, hyper humanism as the way you explain it, the glorification and enhancement of our human forms making our strengths more prevalent and flaws less so. Also, loved the Majorkill reference 😅

@scalesthejojo4741 7 ай бұрын

You are my favorite kind of Warhammer fan. You recognize that humans are the good guys, we are just having brain tumor.

@theodoremccarthy4438 10 ай бұрын

The chronic hunger for a medieval lifestyle highlights the failure of the enlightenment to speak to people spiritual and cultural needs.

@ypsawbones3646 10 ай бұрын

A great video with some great food for thought Good job man

@MortdeathMinis 3 ай бұрын

bro you've definitely presented some ideas I've not heard of before.

@Iruka1991 8 ай бұрын

THE SMOOTH TRANSTION TO THE SPONSOR IS JUST.. I CAN'T

@Melchizidek777 10 ай бұрын

Great video and excellent comparison drawn between modernity and 40k. I’m gonna have to listen to this a few times to fully digest it, your very intelligent

@antongrigoryev6381 10 ай бұрын

Sorry for offtopic, but I would love to hear your thoughts on Sanderson's Stormlight Archive. I honestly find the ideals put into it and especially the way they're presented fascinating. Three simple words, "Journey before destination", alone carry so much meaning that it's truly crazy.

@WallasSG 6 ай бұрын

Came for the explanation, fiquei pelo "valeu amigo". Tô aprendendo muito com seu canal, desejo todo sucesso e que Deus o abençoe

@colebuckon3856 9 ай бұрын

You've given me some good stuff to think about here. I'm doing a magical super-soldier concept for a fantasy series I'm working on, and they have a religious worldview that I can really expand after thinking about these ideas. Thanks!

@ShadowSkryba 10 ай бұрын

Two questions, maybe more 1. What or who would the Hyperhumans protect us from aside ourselves if there is no other reachable life in the universe? 2. Would getting rid of antagonistic reflexes of outgroups be permissible so as to become more compassionate?

@the11382 10 ай бұрын

Indeed, the warrior mentality requires an enemy to destroy. It cannot exist otherwise. The warrior mentality would turn destructively against itself or the society that it serves.

@etlttc353 8 ай бұрын

what did you expect from some internet retard larping as a yee olden day gymnast with plates on

@HunnysPlaylists 5 ай бұрын

@@the11382 Perfection is the journey, not the destination.

@HunnysPlaylists 5 ай бұрын

There were Papal Knights even in times of peace, you are missing the point. A warrior does not need to fight, just improve himself.

@tavernburner3066 10 ай бұрын

The mechanicus my not believe in the human form but believe firmly in the superiority of the human mind.

@cjh.1920 9 ай бұрын

Lmao the Afghanistan situation is waaaaay more complicated than that.

@blitzkrieg2928 5 ай бұрын

38:33 Me and my Enclave friends want your location

@flakbait5771 10 ай бұрын

That was a top tier ad transition; nice one. I mean the video is interesting and articulate-- but dang, the transitions x D I particularly appreciate the discussion of differing thoughts on genetic technology WRT the catholic leadership & various other thought leaders. Interesting stuff; well worth the watch.

@maximusd26 7 ай бұрын

one good point I think you missed, the spacemarines are aware they are but TOOLS; they are not the next human, nor an universal template, and would never call themselves the "true humanity" or it's future

@SmolTerribleTornado 10 ай бұрын

Well, Pope Francis is a licensed biochemist, so he may bring some discrete insight that may come up before we have real-life super soldiers... if the the swiss guards aren't turned space marines already by the end of this decade, that is.

@adamgreer9501 4 ай бұрын

it should also noticed that the emperor never wanted space marines to replace humanity

@user-oj4ll2bf6k 10 ай бұрын

thanks for the great video. looked through with interest and pleasure. and agree with everything said.

@JoshuaMonjin 10 ай бұрын

Really good video that goes into great and varied detail on the topic. I also really liked the parallel vertical line metaphor. Have a sub!

@ytho7228 10 ай бұрын

It's a good day when u upload

@lonedesertfox 10 ай бұрын

Thank you brother

@J3igGuy 10 ай бұрын

Just a correction at 16:16. Its actually the "Shawn Ryan Show". Love the content, man. Keep it up!

@groovecrusader9795 10 ай бұрын

Amazing video man, good job.

@storkyfallout6516 10 ай бұрын

My man your are now the cause for my world view updating twice. I am on cusp of grasping a fundamental truth to the world.

@andreasfiltenborg4952 10 ай бұрын

I was not prepared for that raid sponsorship. That one was the equivilent of coming out of my wall and gagging me.

@ornu01 10 ай бұрын

It's interesting that I only read the thumbnail and immediately understood what your point was, though this particular thought had never entered my head.

@Achalacha 10 ай бұрын

Super video, it hyped me up I really want to search on youtube now "how to build a space marine armor". Maybe if the balance continue to be in danger, we will need to create ourselves our hyperhuman army to protect and improve humanity ( read this with an epic voice)

@dandaman9496 10 ай бұрын

Dude I love these videos. Hyper Human is a great coined phrase.

@michaelman957 7 ай бұрын

"You should be careful about challenging traditions. Even if some traditions should be challenged, you should be smart about how you do it." Truth.

@nicktsigeridys4776 5 ай бұрын

@CamelxRavenNova2 10 ай бұрын

Even transhumans say essentially that humans will remain human even if body parts are shifted for artificial/synthetic parts

@thepiratepenguin4465 10 ай бұрын

Some good & valid points are presented in an entertaining way.

@michaelbraxton137 10 ай бұрын

Great video man

@carsandsports123 10 ай бұрын

This channel is my favorite philosophy channel. Love the 40k content the most, you shouldnlook up Blood Angels Aspirants process as it fits your themes very well Also should we be pro Steriods or even lets get better Steriods? They kill the pepe but make us super strong. I prefer hyperhuman over transhuman but it still feels weird to think about the process

@SenseiLlama 10 ай бұрын

To defend the admech. They do believe in the sacredness of the human form. But GW being Gw really likes robo tentacles.

@thesmilinggun-knight9646 10 ай бұрын

How can they find the human form sacred if they seek to transcend to ‘the purity of the blessed machine’ They activate despise the shortcomings of flesh.

@SenseiLlama 10 ай бұрын

@thesmilinggun-knight9646 is one of those lore flaws. It depends vastly on how the writer portrays admech. These days, they lean to the body horror side, forgetting the sacred human from the side.

@80krauser 10 ай бұрын

There are Biologist cults in the Mechanicum that look more human but have implanted biological organs and steroids and such. But that’s too cool so we don’t get have them often. 😢

@windradyne8724 10 ай бұрын

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 Keep in mind the purity of the blessed machine only includes those blessed machines created by human thought. The "flesh is weak/disgusting" lines are really only literal when it comes to the very fanatical admech. Most people living under the admech aren't cyborgs and they would have a very different (and more common) interpretation of admech theology. "Flesh is weak" would be more metaphorical, referring to selfishness and pleasure seeking, which can be overcome by following the will of the Machine God and strengthening humanity.

@EchoKilo-wi9ec 10 ай бұрын

@@windradyne8724Nuance in the grimderp future? Heresy!

@davidring681 10 ай бұрын

You have some great takes on warhammer man. Very impressive and interesting

@PilgrimsPass 10 ай бұрын

thank you

@user-ld9tf4td8s 10 ай бұрын

The universe of 40k is based on Platonic philosophy, but the ideology of the Imperium isn't. The Imperium holds Aristotelian values. Specifically, that of the Golden Mean and the opposition to extremes (as represented by the Chaos gods)

@Wzrd8 10 ай бұрын

You know tech priests are bumpin that beat while forging billions of las rifles every day.

@williamturner6192 10 ай бұрын

Thank you

@klynt2763 10 ай бұрын

12:56 Majorkill caught me off guard 😂😂😂

@chowrites6179 9 ай бұрын

How you bring modern issues into popular media and transform it into psychological, intellectual, and ultimately spiritual, is amazing! This is the level of understanding I'm working towards.

@notme9816 9 ай бұрын

Amen brother.

@LetholdusKaspyr 9 ай бұрын

When I clicked on this video, I wasn't sure what to expect, but I was pleasantly surprised to find a fascinating philosophical discussion. I'll be watching more.

@spartanalex9006 10 ай бұрын

You know, I think you could have a really interesting talk on BattleTech. In many ways, it’s both an example of a lot of your thinking and in many others something you’d be opposed to. I’d love to hear your two cents on the Big Stompy Robit Game.

@Coid 10 ай бұрын

It would be interesting to see his take on the clans, certainly.

@steelwolf4259 9 ай бұрын

you come across a fence in the middle of nowhere, because you have a monkey brain you decide you cant jump over it. this leaves you with two options, you could just break it down and continue on your merry way, or you could pause and think about why it is there. that fence is tradition.

@bryanb2653 10 ай бұрын

Every single relational ideology that you just said, was fashion, and created because of technology

@funster0691 10 ай бұрын

No clue if you’re a Christian or anything of that sort but independent of religion and anything like at I find this very interesting. Good job great video

@funster0691 10 ай бұрын

Also I forgot to say this although I did imply it but like I’m atheist and don’t prescribe to any religion but I am a bit spiritual I’d say

@vmfvictor 9 ай бұрын

great video bro. I was trying to figure out from your accent where you were from then you thanked your friend and I went aeehoooo after checking your profile bio.

@NoOne-uh9vu 9 ай бұрын

Awesome essay. Ironically according to intelligent design theories the human genome was once closer to perfection and is now rapidly degrading which is the opposite of what darwinism has taught. May it as it be we are stuck either way because there is no more natural selection pressures and no more conditioning processes happening. Humanity is falling apart not just physically but also mentally and it's a fair question to ask how to break this vicious cycle. Soon less than 10% of the population would meet the standard of joining the military even at their physical peak simply because they couldn't handle the reality mentally. The Neo Gnostics who believe that therefore transcending the human mind (uploading your essence into a machine) are not tackling the problem they are just avoiding it while being very naive about the chances of success and the viability of the results if it could be achieved.

@legion4902 10 ай бұрын

Okay, so, corrections of an admech fanboy: 1. The adeptus mechanicus doesn't hate their humanity, they hate their flesh. This is because of the predominant part of their religion: the quest for knowledge. They augment themselves to be stronger, and live longer, so that their knowledge doesn't die for them. And 2. The admech partially worship the machine God, they worship the quest for knowledge. And 3. Space marines are actually referred to as transhuman. They have something called transhuman dread too.

@huntermad5668 9 ай бұрын

3. The meaning of transhuman of 40k is different from our time.

@owenchubb5449 4 ай бұрын

28:09 Makes the best metaphor I have ever heard. "Hope I'm making sense with this metaphor."

@Baamthe25th 10 ай бұрын

Another video that will take a few rewatch to get all the value out of it

@Mornathel 10 ай бұрын

Genetic modification is a very dangerous road. Bio-engineering in and of itself is not evil or bad, for example you could make humans completely immune to disease. The problem is, funnily enough, human nature. We may think of ourselves as beyond history but the truth is we are still the same tribal and factional species we have been for all of recorded history. If there are significant enough differences between two groups, then that will result in competition and more than probably bloodshed over extended periods of time. Assuming you can get people to set aside the differences that they use to define themselves you could use bio-engineering for good. This is short but I have another point aid like to make. When it comes to improving the human form and genetically modifying organisms like plants and animals you could say something along the lines of “Thou shalt not create anew ex nihilo.” Or something to that effect. For example, breeding two existing plants together to create something improved would be fine, but designing a new plant from scratch is not. Increasing human resilience is good, but creating new species of human is not. It would require a lot of thought but that could be the guiding principle of bio-engineering from a traditional stance. Personally I’m against “improving” people much in the same way the pope is. I think that will only lead to more issues and on top of that, we are very much defined by our struggles in life. That’s one of the reasons I think we are struggling as a modern society is because we have removed real struggle to such a degree that we have to invent new ones. Imagine the carnage and ideological war that could ensue from a race of humans immune to disease, physically and mentally stronger than baseline humans without the tradition that holds things together.

@ChandelordChandel-wi6hx 5 ай бұрын

I'd be interested in a video centering on the Mechanicus, the Necrons, Transhumanism and/or the pursuit of inmortality in stories

@rodricksage5963 10 ай бұрын

Pilgrim am lost, the Portuges and the Spanish becoming the first human super powers with cutting edge tech while keeping tradition. can you explain to me like a fourth grader.

@PilgrimsPass 10 ай бұрын

They were technically the first super powers because they were the first nations to control the oceans and exert influence globally across several continents that weren't connect by land. They did so through inovations in maritime technology and exploration and curiosity. Yet they were extremely medieval and obsessed with keeping their religious purity and traditions. They were motivated by a Crusade mentality developed by 700 years of reconquista and when they conquered new territories they set up inquisitions which are meant to keep traditional religious thought. All this is an interesting historical truth because the narrative is that the Crusades and inquisitions are backward cultural elements that hold society back and is caused by fear of the unkown and stifles new ideas etc. Yet in europe the first super powers in history who braved the unknown parts of the map, created new ships, implemented new military and political systems (the spanish tercios and the portuguese Avis revolution which reorganized the state) were also deeply obsessed with their traditional thinking. I hope this makes sense.

@rodricksage5963 10 ай бұрын

@@PilgrimsPass so instead of thinking, they just went to other lands and fucked. and the created the inquisition to keep the system and culture strong and alive. like the Gengis Khan spreading his seed across Asia. i mean, Alexander spread the Greek seed and Ceasar did the same thing with the Roman seed. people say Greek and Romans ruled the world cuz of tech but, they controlled it cuz, they kept Greek and Roman in the conquered land. the Spanish did the same thing.

@the11382 10 ай бұрын

Warriors are trained to find the enemy and destroy it. Without something to fight against, they would either turn against themselves or against society. Without an enemy, the warrior mentality cannot exist.