10:51 Ding ding ding ding ding! We have a winner folks! In Halo, you always had your gun up and ready for a fight, and during that fight, you could simultaneously move, jump, and throw grenades. This is the core mechanic that new-Halo has decided to abandon completely, in favor of copying dying fads from other games. Because remember, “We hired people who hated Halo because of X.” Also LNG, I appreciate you not throwing your voice into ear splitting levels of sqeakiness this time. Keep working on keeping that under control.

"Halo Infinite is right around the Corner." *2 Years Later*

"You can't have Sprint in one map and not have it in another" And that's why in Halo Reach Spartan abilities were a Sandbox item because you could make it so that Sprint wasn't in one map while it is in another. This is how some maps could be designed to utilize things like the jetpack. Or you could have a very cramped map where you turn off the class with sprint and don't have any sprint pickups. This is why I loved halo reach custom games, because of all the options you had. The multiplayer was also very fun, it switched things up and still felt like Halo.

They reduced jump height for this shit. How do you feel more like a super soldier when you can't even launch over a 6' person in a single jump?

I always thought of sprint and clamber as being an illusion of mobility. You feel like you’re doing more and moving faster, but you’re actually not due to the maps being more spread out to compensate.

A reason why I like classic movement is because the combat always seems fair and rewards smart thinking. Whether it is having better gunskill, strafing, positioning, or overall awareness there are know fight delaying abilities or insta-kills in the core classic gameplay.

“Right Around the corner” he said 😐😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣

I’m completely blown away by how positive and healthy the dialogue you guys are having in this comment section is! Even fans of the Spartan abilities are able to admit they see the points I’m trying to demonstrate. Keep up the good work guys!! 👍

I also feel that the worst example of the A.I. being negativity affected was the hunters i hate fighting them now because there is no effective strategy you just pump bullets into them and thats not fun

Personally, I feel that from a player and (non game-mechanic) game-play perspective, the enhanced mobility removed from the "power fantasy." (I'm going to try and word this the best that I can.) You're a kick-ass augmented soldier, yeah. But the covenant (and flood) were threatening the existence of humanity. And you, Spartan-117, are here to save the day; save humanity from extinction. Hell, in H3 (I think) a couple Marines are like "maybe we actually have a chance at winning" after seeing you (S-117). That's like the biggest power trip. You're basically winning the war. Virtually single handedly. (rip Johnson). Add the fact that the movements are what you'd expect from a normal military fps; yet you see all the other regular servicemen and ODSTs, who move in generally the same way you do, barely make a dent or leave a scratch on the covenant or the flood. The fact that the levels/enemies could be hard but you still beat them is incredibly satisfying. You see the fact that you're the awesome badass w/ the shiny armor who's bigger and better than everyone else. All because you're that awesome. Not because you have special super powers (armor abilities). I know the S-IIs have augmentation that makes them faster and stronger (and more durable) but the point is, you feel that strength and power through the results of a challenging level/set of enemies. On a side note; learning to shoot accurately while jumping/moving around was hard. Being the "cool friend" that had the best accuracy while on a launch pad, or jumping off a ledge, or running from one side of the room to another was always the best feeling.

Seriously one of the best videos on this topic that I have ever seen. People need to understand that if someone doesn't like Spartan abilities, it doesn't mean they're against change, rather they're against how Halo is changing.

This really opened my eyes to the argument of why players don't like Sprint, and I can see that more clearly now. It's not that Sprint itself is the mechanic that's bad though. It's the implementation. And that can apply to the spartan abilities too, I think. The Spartan abilities are a great idea that emphasizes what a spartan can do, but the implementation is definitely what ruined a lot of the gameplay. I mentioned this on a different video, but when I played the Halo Online Eldewrito mod for the first time, I realized the importance of the man cannons, the gravity lifts, all of that. The spartan abilities replaced them which I think was actually a horrible gameplay decision. I bet if 343i looked harder, they could have both. Man cannons were a core aspect of classic halo, and replacing them with sprint did nothing but actually ruin it. Man cannons were more effective at map traversal than sprint was. Like mentioned in the video, it just causes this start/pause kind of rhythm to the gameplay. I feel like an easy fix (Not a perfect one, mind you) would be to take away *unlimited* and revert it to match Halo Reach's Sprint - you could only sprint for a short time, which means you have to use it only when you need it. That makes it more utility than what it is now. The spartan abilities, I would like to see stay, as thematically they do work, but if 343i would be unable to implement them better, I would not be sad to see them be removed as well.

Another reason why I dislike the spartan abilities myself is because they don't punish the player for bad positioning and jumping. You can sprint away from a gunfight,.You can thrust to the side instead of improving your strafe game. You can clamber over just about any surface instead of crouch jumping. Then you have the Ground Pound and Spartan Charge which offers insta-kill options for the Spartan off-spawn.

I usually disagree with this point of view, because spartan abilities stack upon already established concepts evolving and changing them. However, being a primarily PC player, if for some godforsaken reason Bethesda added sprint to Quake Champions I would be pissed. It would be entirely unnecessary; intrinsically changing the game. So while i still wont say i agree with the totality of your complaints it I sympathize with you when your entire game has to change to complement these abilities changing the identity of the game when the formula still worked and no one asked for it. Halo 1 - 3 had specific play style Ive heard and personally called "Classic Halo" Starting with Halo Reach, this changed, however reach making the abilities optional presented the community these alternatives to movement. Bungie still got hate for the abilities yet avoided what 343 is going through currently with eh release of Halo 4 and Halo 5, because Bungie made these movement alternatives optional while 343 made them standard. The most likely outcome is 343 either ignoring the fan-base and continuing with their version of halo 5 movement or at best reverting to a Halo Reach style of abilities. Most likely 343 will not drop the abilities entirely.

A huge issue which really drags the game down is the enhanced mobility takes the tension away from your positional awareness. When you can just sprint away from danger, there are no "No Mans Land" areas in the map. And when these danger zones are absent, then movement becomes arbitrary and thoughtless. And this is just one of the negative consequences. Faster movement means harder tracking with your aim, which means the ADS becomes necessary, but having to use ADS all the time slows down the gameplay... so you end up at square one again (more like square zero because shooting small targets running away is frustrating) A key part of what made Halo fun was all the little calculations you do in your head. The path you choose to take through a map was an interesting decision because you had a mental picture of which routes are safe/slow or fast/dangerous and the amount of shield you have in order to survive the distance of that route was also constantly fluctuating depending on how many shots you've taken at a given moment. It was worth investing thought into your angle of attack because if you chose a superior angle you improved your chances of victory. All of this is stripped away when you can just sprint out of danger... and rather than making the game more intense, it has made the game brainless. The original idea of Sprint is that it adds a trade-off... choose more mobility in exchange for weapon-readiness... but the balance is skewed because sprinting is too useful to not use and becomes a no-brainer. And it strips away the most important mental tradeoff of all in the process, positioning. The net result is simply a less entertaining game that lacks the depth of the original Halos that kept people coming back again and again. Games like Overwatch have shown that you don't need Sprint or ADS. Some characters have high mobility moves in Overwatch of course... but for every one of them, there are also characters who can punish bad positioning instantly (like Roadhog's hook or potential Ultimates.) There isn't much in Halo to punish poor positioning in that way.

Halo 5 opening cutscene: _I AM SPEED_ Halo 5 gameplay: *_dial-up modem noise_*

I dont get why people say these abilities makes them feel more powerful. I felt powerful in halo 3 when i made the right decisions and out smarted my enemies. For example in in halo 3 when im in a warthog i give my marines fuel rod guns to obliterate the covenant as i came by. That just makes me feel awsome because i overcame the challenge by myself. But in halo 5 i do feel powerful but it feels artificial like i didnt do that on my own. It feels like steroids i may be powerful but its artificial.

Halo was a game of the arena era, and the reason its slow compared to quake is because it was designed for consols with mutchbmore imprecise and sluggish aiming. At the core Halo played more like Doom than CoD, it was just slow motion doom. If you look at nu Doom, yourealize that more mobility is good. Doublejump and ledgeclimbing added to the formula. But sprint is a no go. You are always at top speed. Similarly in Halo you should also always be at full speed, it should just be lower. Halos movement was not expanded, it was ruined by devs that didnt understand it.

Even the Pro players of the halo community hate the new movement and spartan abilities

Well articulated points made all around! Enjoyed the video, my friend. Awesome content as always! :-)

I will always be of the mindset of "I don't care what's in the game, as long as it's fun and plays well", but this video was definitely interesting and your points are well-made and spoken. Well done, Mr. Tatas Herbinkie. ~Tylar

I just want them to make a fleshed out, full version of H2A MP. Use that multiplayer as the basis going forward, it's absolutely fantastic!

My favourite part of the sprint mechanic is that when you get hit, you stagger and slow down. Basically making sprint useless for retreating or from going from cover to cover. It's like every battle is the Somme, just being bogged down to hiding behind one piece of cover with metaphorical mud coming up to your knees. Halo 5 is a perfect example of how adding more freedom can actually take away from the game.

-Because all that fuel you'd use would literally bankrupt the UNSC But in all seriousness, Halo already gave you amazing mobility, you're already moving faster than a normal human just as a jog. You don't need clambering in all the other games because there's always a way to get somewhere, it gave you mental freedom to THINK about your movement and every bit of ammo, and in Halo 5, you just run forward, shoot slow baddy, or fast hard baddy, continue. No combat evolution to the opposition anymore.

Player: "What's the opposite of enhanced mobility?" another guy: "the halo 5 forge controls that's what!"

i not only dislike enhanced mobility in Halo 5 but i hate sprinting ...in the first trilogy the lack of sprinting in combat encouraged pacing & precision timing it also made some enemies faster mobility and larger numbers feel kinda daunting...but Halo 5 all need to do is thruster boost out of harm's way and ground pound or let the Ai revive you.

I feel if sprint is a necessity then it should be a pick up like equipment in halo 3 and be used as a short boost in the base movement speed for like 3-4 seconds and you should still be able to shoot and through grenades

"Halo 6 is right around the corner" that didn't age well.

It's funny how I love the thrust, sprint and clamber (the rest I actually dislike, too), yet I always find myself agreeing with almost every point you make. Granted, I have not been a Halo player before 2014, so that may be a factor contributing to my point of view. Anyways, I don't mind you beating this dead horse, as long as you keep it interesting, as you usually do.

well im watching this in july of 2021, and NOW Infinite is right around the corner

DUDE FREAKING PREACH. I didn’t understand how, with all my new mobile abilities, Halo 5 felt like the SLOWEST game I’ve ever played. You nailed it, man.

Halo 6 won’t be influenced by my videos.... I’d say from E3, you’re wrong 😂

When I think about enhanced mobility the first thing comes across my mind is doom. As a fast pace game, doom thrives on player's agility, and enemies shooting relatively slower projectile makes dodging an easy and rewarding act. This combination makes sure the fast pace and excitement of combat. However this formula can not be copied and paste into halo games since weapon design and gameplay is different. In halo you can't deal a large amount of damage in a short period of time just like switching super shotgun and ballista to instant kill enemies in doom, in combat you always have to hide behind covers to wait for shield to recharge. If 343 wants to make the pace of combat faster they have to come up with a way to reward the player stepping out of the cover. If this is not the case, halo is better in its classic state which players utilize the diversity of weapon sandbox to add some interest and creativity into gameplay.

JUST GO BACK TO THE CLASSIC MOVEMENT! Anybody remembers the golden halo triangle? THATS HOW WE NEED HALO AGAIN!

Late Night Gaming in 2018: Halo 6 is right around the corner. Me in 2019: well...

LateNightGaming+ Excellent video, you describe my frustrations with Halo 5 Exactly! easily one of your best videos yet! keep up the good work! :D

Seeing the enemy tremble at your feet ,and civilians and other normal soldiers regaining hope just by being in your presence made me feel more like a super human soldier than crazy movement abilities does

This is spot on, and does a really good job of how I feel about the whole issue but I could never put my finger on the right words

I think the ADS system (as in how it looks) should be used for certain weapons, like the carbine, or the hydra. The system would be for weapons dependent on aiming down sights that don’t have a scope, the carbine doesn’t have a scope so a holographic sight would make sense, and the hydra requires you to ads to lock on.

I come from the future and Halo is back to the iconic art style.

Reach with the exception of armour lock was decent though, especially jet pack and evade

I'm with you no matter what you do i love all your videos and sometimes i just turn them on cause your voice is beautiful. You always give good points too

The other issue with giving the player too much power is that it now is held above strategy. In halo 2 and 3, if the enemies killed you, it’s because you didn’t come up with a good enough game plan, you didn’t think it through. In halo 5, if the enemies killed you, it’s because they were more powerful. Looking back to back between the old and new really shows where they placed their emphasis, I do think halo reach and 4 did a decent job at balancing the two, I’ve always preferred my games to rely on my skill, as opposed to my power.

Guys don't forget that shields also have a huge role in the core of a halo game. I didn't like the connection between the shields and enhanced mobility in Halo 5, such as sprint for example . Also, as weird as it sounds, I really miss the classic shield mechanism from Halo ce(and Reach) with the hp bar and the need to find a medkit. When you keep in mind that depleting your shields has major consequences, you learn how to use them more wisely during a firefight.

I like the old halo gameplay more, it feels more organic for halo and it doesn't feel like sci-fi game 3254. It feels like halo I also love the halo 3 equipment over halo reach and 4's armour abilities, they fitted in halo better than them (even though I still like them). Halo 5 threw this out the window and now halo has no skill gap or holdout locations (like the sniper tower on Zanzibar). my kill death ratio is 0.95 in halo 5 but it's 2.35 in halo 3 When 343 made Spartan abilities they tried to make halo easier to play but for some players (like me) made it harder

This guy is speaking exactly how I feel about the advanced movement. Thank you for putting words to my feelings.

The talk of using external means of defeating enemies reminds of the first time you fight a Scarab in Halo 3 and how they had multiple ways of taking it down. My favorite way was using the transport hog and loading it up with Marines and having them all equipped with rocket launchers. Sure I could of gone the safe route of using the mounted homing missiles to take out the legs and didn't involve me dying because a marine launched his rocket at a ghost that was too close, but where was the fun in that?

Great video again LateNight! Have there been any details on the movement in Halo 6?

Interesting take on the power fantasy bit, however, I'd like to make a different argument I feel that the armour abilities in halo 5 make the player less like a "super soldier" and more like a guy in an expensive suit A majority of the abilities are just part of the mobility trend; things like climbing and sprinting I can understand as those are things that people do, but the jet based mobility features make me feel more like iron man than they make me feel like master chief It diminishes the power you feel as a "super soldier", I play as a genetically modified monster of a human being, so let me be able to break holes in walls without needing a jet boost to do so With old school armour abilities they at least had the excuse that they were customized upgrades to the suit, but now that it's just a common feature it really loses its unique charm

I prefer armor abilities to spartan abilities. they were just advanced equipment with more than a single use and became more of a factor in gameplay. Also in reach they gave you premade builds so it was more accounted for by developers. I would prefer a limited armor ability pick up. make a jet pack a jump pack that has a ground pound attached to it give it limited uses but not a single use or infinitely rechargeable, maybe have a hard light shield that uses up energy like a battery and once it loses all of it you gotta pick up something else in your ability slot. A deployable auto turret that you can pick back up and move elsewhere or a man cannon that you can carry and deploy or pick back up. Things that do change gameplay are attached as abilities but don't strictly change the base mechanics. h3 equipment was at times good but was always was few and far between and most of it didn't have a great use. trip mine rarely killed, energy drain was just an annoying occasional free kill, flash bang was more annoying for everyone so it was avoided. The more useful one like grav lift and bubble shield were single use couldn't be picked back up or have multiples on you, so in multiplayer it was often taken by one person early in the match, took a while to respawn and wasn't worth going for again if it was out of the way, far better to go after a power weapon. armor abilities left a more lasting effect that added more scenarios to gameplay. I think mixing those with equipments that can be redeployed until they are destroyed and limited charges and uses on abilities that are pick ups and one default depending on the mode.

I love the titanfall reference. One of my favorite games lately

1st person run and gun movement works. 3rd person tactical cover based combat works. But it’s too much a mess when these two styles start blending together, as we’ve seen from recent halos.

where was i when halo took a turn to a more serious and edgy vibe? happily playing combat evolved

"Since Halo 6 is right around the corner!" 2 years later...

Great points! Well thought out video man, good shit! I never saw the movement this way. The speed up-slow down thing is so true! I always felt this way but I was never able to put how I felt into words. Thanks for uploading this video man, keep up the good work!!

I’m glad you pointed out how it takes the same amount of time to move around the maps but in the old ones you could still shoot and throw grenades.

I can remember booting up Halo: Reach's beta, getting into a game with some friends and being like "WTF is this sprint? Why does my gun have bullet spread? Why did that guy go all blue and ignore my rocket (the power weapon I just fought for and won by being better with team fire and positioning). Why does this feel like Call of Duty?" I've been playing Halo game's for as long as they've been around. I played CE until Halo 2 released. I played Halo 2 until H3 released, and I played H3 until Reach. I played Reach for a few weeks. Got tired of armor lock, jet pack, and sprint. Gave 343's H4 a shot after Bungie left with the shit show known as Reach being their farewell gift. Got tired of getting into that good 'ol BR 1v1 and the other guy just sprints away if he get's one shot down, or didn't get the opening shot. Not only that, you could just get pinged by an armor ability. They even knew your exact position since they added height to the radar. You had CoD care packages, and power weapons were more or less meaningless. I saw Halo 5 as a good change of pace with the removal of a lot of CoD mechanics. But they should have just done a reset right there. They just traded one system that didn't work in Halo for another that still doesn't work. The only fun aspects of Reach, 4, and 5 were the echos of what it was to be a Halo game from the classics. Here's to hoping for a miracle and a return to roots for Halo as a whole.

"Halo 6 is right around the corner" *3 years ago*

Great video dude I was just wondering if you could turn the volume up on your Mike, I find it hard to hear u, this is partly due to my crappy phone speaker though

Honestly, because Halo Infinite is sprint-confirmed (At least in campaign), 343 should give the option to have enhanced mobility in multiplayer maps, like in Reach

what bothers me is that it's not a discussion between fans of two different franchises to prove which one is the best. 343 basically got a game with millions of fans and turned into something else, now this other thing has fans too and there we have a fight because only one can exist. (By the way, Spartan abillities dont belong in Halo, go find you own game to be fan of)

Being a long time Halo player and a 360 era FPS fan, I tend not to use enhanced mobility. Yes, I sprint, but in most games that's been a standard gameplay feature. I often forget about the jet jump, thrusters or whatever, and thus tend not to use it. While I do somewhat like clamber (it feels more natural than seeing a tiny overhang and having to walk around it to get up) and I rely on sprint alot, I despise thrusters and boosters. It felt off. Spartans were always a walking Tank. If you can find a rocket propelled tank that can drift around, please tell me, I'll take two. My best friend (who I play Halo with alot) remarked after seeing my play style " You do know you can boost? Why don't you?" I replied "Because..., It's not Halo" he pressed the thruster button and snidely said "Yes it is. It's right here. Can't you see?" I shook my head and replied " This is the Halo brand's copy of Titanfall. That is Halo" I pointed at Reach. He grinned and was silent, That was Halo to us.

It's kind of insane when you think about how much money and success 343i and Microsoft have missed out on ever since Halo 4 by not realizing how they should've treated the franchise all along.

0:42 "Right around the corner." Boy how wrong we were lol

It's weird to me that the classic gameplay is timeless, well the new will not be, despite the extra abilities you are given.

If everyone is super then no one is super.

Halo 5's campaign is the only one that I will never play twice. I played it once on normal and I have never wanted to play since. Clamber is nice and all, but I've hated the extra spartan abilities added in this game since day 1. You bring up a lot of good points and I tend to agree on most.

I think that a compromise can be made here: a return to the Halo: Reach armor ability system. Keep enhanced mobility but... divy it up a bit. A propulsion jet ability which grants you sprint and charge (probably a weaker version), but nothing else. An evasion jet ability which gives you ground pound and dodging, but nothing else. A hover jet ability which allows you to ADS and hover in the air, but nothing else. This, in addition to the removal of clambering, I think could satisfy a lot of fans in both camps. It also could easily enough be explained in Halo lore with a retconn along the lines of "in efforts to reduce the cost of the program, seeing as the numbers of recruits just keeps on climbing, the suit's power systems were stripped down, and now Spartans must make a choice between a variety of mobility systems," if you're particularly concerned about that kind of thing. I honestly think that this could make for a very fun system which adds a layer of unpredictability to the multiplayer. You have no idea of what mobility system your opponent is using, which means you need to be constantly re-evaluating your engagements if you don't wanna get caught by surprise. I figure you might fall into another trap like Reach where there is a single ability that is most commonly used, but at least there would be some variety. I do recognise that there are some issues with tying not only mobility but also combat abilities to a system like this, but this is only a half-baked idea.

Good video LNG!

ill leave a like, cause im coo like that, but never try avalanche like that again. that is a very well paced map, if you would've said sandtrap i could've agreed but naw you had to try avalanche like that.

What is the name of the music with the vibraphones? I knew at one point but now I've forgotten and I'd like to be able to look it up.

I would love to see some of your artwork that you mentioned in a previous QNA

Just take away all the abilities and leave sprint or not. Just please no more abilities.

I think Im going to get gunned for this but I liked how Halo 4 and Reach did it. Where you had to choose one Spartan ability to use. I did like sprint and I dont think that should be an ability (it should be like how it was in halo 4). But I do agree with some points you brought up good video.

When you mentioned sprint as a utility, I was brought back to Reach. In my opinion, it should have stayed at Reach's form of gameplay (give or take some innovations I can't bother to think of atm), and focused on developing the weapon and vehicle sandbox from there. Perhaps they might have even written a decent story after Reach if they had stayed simple and rationed more time toward the writing and characters (If youtubers doing this for a hobby can pitch a better idea than the head writers behind the entire plot of the game, you're doing something wrong).

Even though I overall like the direction Halo is moving, I love your videos! It’s great to see opposing viewpoints-but it’s also great to listen to your awareness of not everyone may not share the same point and also your valid critiques and analysis. Glad I found this channel!

"Halo 6 is right around the corner"

Taras im here from the future to end the Halo drought! Halo 6 is called Halo Infinite and it comes out in winter of 2020! Halo Reach is added to the MCC AND the MCC is released on PC! Don’t worry, things are looking good for Halo, stay strong

Honestly, I like the sprint. However, I think there should be an armor mod that could be applied in slayer that will allow you to fire your gun, WHILE sprinting. Kind of like the gun runner perk in COD, where you can fire your weapon while sprinting, and not reduce your speed. Only downside is that your accuracy is slightly decreased for precision weapons like the BR and DMR.

Yo im your 70,000 sub cingrats man ;D

Cause shitty Power Ranger gimmicks have no place in Halo

I hate spartan abilities. Halo 5 is just unplayable as a competitive shooter to me. I enjoy the casual aspects of it but I just can’t play it competitively and as a competitive player this is hard to accept. I really hope 343 rectifies this in Halo 6. I really hope they just cater to both sets of fans though and create ranked and unranked playlists for both classic and modern gameplay, if that’s not possible they should just go back to classic gameplay. It’s what made Halo, Halo. Fuck trying to bring in Call of Duty fans, they will play Call of Duty regardless

I just really like to move around a lot, but I’m not sure how well it would work in infinite. But please don’t take away my precious sprint and clamber. Clamber is all I want.

I myself do not outright dislike Spartan abilities, but i do think that sprint and ads actively hurt the gameplay vs. AI, meaning the campaign What you describe as a constant speed -> slow down -> speed i would describe as fast movement -> fast kill -> fast movement. The campaign is filled with canon fodder due to your squad needing targets, your increased abilities, the hardware ressources of the XBone and so forth. The mix of speed and ads is genius for controllers because it makes engagements more controllable, but Halo has been about a carefully designed mix your speed plus enemies reaction. Playing the MCC just highlights how older titles had more deliberate movement which also made the AI seem to be more effective. They usually simply live longer, which is fun. Ever since Halo 4 and to an extend Reach, TTK vs. AI got faster, giving them less time to express their abilities. Halo 4 also had a lot of stop and pop gameplay.

The people who argue for armor abilities and say that “it’s in the canon and Spartans can do that” don’t understand game design. Enhanced mobility ruins map flow and the Halo core gameplay

The only spartan ability I like are the evade thrusters, slide, and sprint.. but maybe sprint can be brought back to the way H4/ Reach did it IMO O NO I PUT MY OPINION ON THE INTERNET... I don’t care, screw that rule

A very well made video that brought up some interesting points. I think that they should just keep a few of the abilities, and get rid of the rest, maybe even go the rout of Reach and sacrifice, clamber for example, for boost. Just to find a good middle ground.

I want that image of the Chopper chasing down the elite. Where can I find that?

Taras, just get gud. haha jk

Lol halo 6 is right around the corner

You know what I love about Late night gaming He's sounds so level headed and calm and makes pretty good arguments and he also sees the good thing about things that he dislikes and thats why I subscribed in the first place

I see your points and most of them are really well-founded. However I had a lot of issues with classic Halo Big Team encounters. Many of the maps were designed in such a way that the ONLY feasible way to play the map at all was in a vehicle. Take blood gulch for example. Without things like sprint, armor lock, or a long range weapon a footsoldier is almost completely useless and laughably vulnerable and is forced to hug the perimeter of the map for what very little cover there is. When we're told things by the lore, like that spartans can run at 50 miles per hour, jump 15 feet, and had reflexes that made the Matrix movies blush that was just not represented in classic halo in any way whatsoever. Sprinting is an inherent human action. It's part of every kind of ground-based combat. Accuracy is also an inherent factor in combat. Every military that ever existed has wanted an accurate standard weapon that could out-range the enemy. Forcing the player to only ever move at walking pace and giving him a majority of weapons that are only effective out to 15 feet drags down the franchise when it's trying to compete with modern games which give the player far more agency. I do agree that Halo 5 "evolved" halo TOO much, but by Halo 3 I found myself severely underwhelmed at the agonizingly dull and slow gameplay when other series like Crysis and Call of Duty ACTUALLY made you feel like a post-human badass. There needs to be a balance. Halo needs to incorporate mechanics that empower the player within the context of the LORE while also not breaking the core tenants of design that make it stand out. This IS achievable. Just look at the dozens of campaign overhaul mods that have been put out by Nexus and SPV3 and others.

Halo 5 is a game that really makes you feel like halo

I'm the complete opposite of you. I love everything about the new gameplay.

The biggest thing in "game speed" is solely player movement speed. The feeling of progress is how fast you can accomplish something, particularly after ending a previous action. This becomes better the more varied the actions are. While this may seem like the same idea of "I want to get across the street as fast as possible," then, yes, movement speed is important, but that can be hindered by simply making the street longer. There's also every OTHER action: looking, jumping, and any other action after the beginning/ending of any other action. Cutting down on what is commonly referred to as "starting lag" and "ending lag" is equally as important. So, if you allow someone to sprint to have a faster movement speed, but prevent them from doing anything else until the action is completed, it drastically reduces the effective flow. Which, in turns, leads to a slow feeling experience. This is compounded if affecting actions (sprinting) interfere with other common actions (shooting); imagine if we ramped up the inability of attacking while sprinting to now become the inability to look/turn while sprinting. The game will truly become a stop/start experience. And if there's one thing worse than moving slow, it's a complete stop. Even worse: a stop after a sensation of heightened speed. But this is tossing a wadded paper ball at a mountain that has been ignored for years (nearly two, at this time). Hopefully the more level-headed, but still passionate, voices from LateNightGaming and (to a lesser extent) HiddenXperia help the following games become great for every fan of the series.

HALO Q&A: What do you think about if we got to play as a hyper leathal odst? Or do you think that title should be strictly restricted to spartans?

Halo 2 had a faster movement to it, start mentioning that when comparing new games to old games. If you're going to complain ; complain right. Also, 343 has stated that they’re making Halo for newer players ; not going to do a reverse and take 50 steps back to make a classic Halo - That is literally what the MCC is for. If not, while go back and pop your disks in for Halo 1, 2, 3 and Reach. In fact I have not seen or heard 343 state they're making a classic Halo. Words and context matter, so don’t take one thing and automatically assume that’s what they're going for when 343 has stated that their modernizing Halo for new fans and old. > That concept being, Halo will still have the classic mechanics, with new mechanics for newer players / players who don’t care about the gameplay for the “gOlDen tRiLoGy” of Halo... ( You don’t have to use the new mechanics if you don’t want to, but don’t complain if you are out gunned or out played by someone willing to COMBAT EVOLVE in a 1v1 situation. ) My grip with Halo under 343 is that they cater to the fans too much VS them just making whatever game they want. This is the CORE REASON why Halo is being set back, ( Not Halo Infinite ), But Halo being considered dead or trashed on. The Halo community has become so T O X I C that it baffles me that Halo youtubers don’t address the real issues for Halo being derailed. Bungie DID NOT CARE what any fan said, requested or complained about when making Halo 1 - 3 / ODST and Reach, and they were pretty engaging with the community on the forums. ALL FORUMS. In fact Bungie would straight up ban people for whining to much ( Being toxic ) Bungie implemented Armor and Spartan abilities first. Remember that kiddo’s, Bungie made Halo Open world before 343 did... Remember that kiddo’s. Not just Halo 3 ODST, But ever other Halo... Remember all the books with the Maps of each level and a description of what you can do on each map / level... I do. I remember being able to get sidetracked like in Skyrim or Fallout and explore the maps without having to do an objective and stumbling on something unexpected or random. 343 is expanding on that, CAPITALIZING on it. If Bungie still had control of Halo ; Halo wouldn’t be Halo, it would be Destiny gameplay. Halo reach was Bungie showing that if they had more years in their contract with Halo, they would do what 343 is doing with Halo. . . . 343 is simply doing what Bungie wanted to do. They are even adding / added cut content, from weapons, vehicles and what not that bungie couldn’t add do to the limitations and restrictions. Hate on 343 all you want, but You’re still going to but they're product. See you on the battlefield ;D

I rather have armor abilites than Spartan abilities but i would keep clamber from halo 5.

its amazing how you dislike the enchanced movement in halo 5 yet still bring an objective conclusion to the table. a very few can do it, i really respect this. i extremely enjoyed this video due to the fact-like delivery of information. i found your channel when the master chief collection came out on pc (i had the honor today to play it at my buddys place cuz i dont have it YET) and im in love with your content since then. keep up the good work, i cant wait to watch new content of the master chief collection and more ;)

I really enjoyed your video. Thanks for making a calm and rational assessment of Halo 5's movement and abilities. I've been frustrated with it recently. Cheers!