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10 жыл бұрын

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The Car Stereo Big Three Wiring upgrade does not go all the way and should be the big four upgrade. Some get it right but some do not. This video shows what is going on in the alternator and why you should ad the fourth wire to the back of the alternator or as close to the back of the alternator as you can get. Help us get better at making videos see: / alternatorman

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@blufey2925
@blufey2925 10 жыл бұрын
Had to watch video twice to fully digest it but I think I've got it now. Thanks to you sir.
@LiquidSSSnake
@LiquidSSSnake 10 жыл бұрын
In the back of my mind I thought about doing this, but I've never heard any evidence that it was worth doing. Thanks!
@YouNameItGaming
@YouNameItGaming 7 жыл бұрын
so ideally you want from alternator housing to block, chassis, and battery negative so everything can access negative voltage efficiently. that, plus circle earth from battery (block, head, chassis, and chassis rear) and a more adequate line from alternator positive to battery. throw in a heavy negative from the battery to the starter and you'd be pretty much set for everything assuming your battery isn't trash :-) edit: honestly, I'd recommend this sort of upgrade to anyone who has enough spare time and cable as it improves the efficiency and stability of your electrical system as a whole. it'll keep your ignition system at its best, your headlights will be at their brightest, and it'll protect the engine management from all kinds of gremlins as computers absolutely hate inconsistent voltage
@CorbettFrench
@CorbettFrench 9 жыл бұрын
You have a good point sir. But electricity does not travel at the speed of light (or near it). The magnetic waves that alternate that make electricity, yes. Those do. Electricity does not.
@Buick72100
@Buick72100 8 жыл бұрын
Nice clear break down of power supply video!! I've done "the big 3" and seen MAJOR improvements. I will add this to the to-do list. "Big 4"
@Quagmire8623
@Quagmire8623 9 жыл бұрын
ppl this guy makes a very valid point im no electrician or a pro at any high power draw but i have told ppl this very same thing multiple times to ground the alt itself when u do the big 3-4 cuz it does help i plan on doing this when i do my upgrade on my system when i get my new h/o alt for my car it just makes sense to go the mile when doing this to make it perfect
@GripFocusdZx3
@GripFocusdZx3 10 жыл бұрын
Good info that needs to get out to the masses. Thanks.
@juanbahena9452
@juanbahena9452 10 жыл бұрын
I never knew that now after watching this video I think I'm ready for my big 4 upgrade thank you so much sir.
@richardmartin138
@richardmartin138 9 жыл бұрын
This is great info, very good explanation of how it all work. Thank you so much.
@CHIBA280CRV
@CHIBA280CRV 7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanation, thanks for sharing..will do that this weekend..
@ancelmo2000
@ancelmo2000 7 жыл бұрын
thank you i been trying to tell people this long time
@stevemiller5355
@stevemiller5355 7 жыл бұрын
thank you alternatorman.. great info.
@ricktv3514
@ricktv3514 8 жыл бұрын
excellent work bro, you are giving some good knowledge here
@ifitaintbrokefixit3975
@ifitaintbrokefixit3975 7 жыл бұрын
i like how that alternator has that threaded hole for a ground lol good video don't forget to tell people current + metal + a bit of moisture = car that rusts very fast
@tracyjames4125
@tracyjames4125 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome info thank you so much for sharing!
@knox434
@knox434 9 жыл бұрын
nice video, man. i was actually considering this last night, thank you for reassuring my assumptions. subscribed.
@Dim-Mak
@Dim-Mak 7 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation how to upgrade big 3, thank you sir.
@ThisIsSolution
@ThisIsSolution 8 жыл бұрын
I always run my negative(ground) cable from my amplifier directly to the back of the alternator, works by shortening distance to best ground and power isn't slowed by steel resistance
@JUKE179r
@JUKE179r 7 жыл бұрын
Great info. Cheers mate!
@best1yet
@best1yet 7 жыл бұрын
thank you for the info.
@5abivt
@5abivt 10 жыл бұрын
awesome video thank you! what awg wire do you recommend from alt to frame?
@1wcastro
@1wcastro 10 жыл бұрын
Great Info.
@bradleycampbell5933
@bradleycampbell5933 7 жыл бұрын
excellent video, thank you
@howpaul7553
@howpaul7553 7 жыл бұрын
Well i Will Consider This Im currently Upgrading My Ford Gen 1 To a 3 g but bdeing ford giant cast iron fe block
@gardenstateflatlandb
@gardenstateflatlandb 10 жыл бұрын
Preach on!
@singlespeedman
@singlespeedman 8 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@WillRT
@WillRT 10 жыл бұрын
excelente explicación saludos ;)
@AHFitness-sl8uw
@AHFitness-sl8uw 8 жыл бұрын
I will try that. because I upgrade my alternator and I've been hearing a wheezing sound and voltage keep on dropping under 12.9 while driving I check everything else and everything seems ok I wonder if doing that will solve my problem
@philindeblance
@philindeblance 8 жыл бұрын
Sadly, a number of people including myself still wonder what the other connections are in the Big$ upgrade. Reading through the thread and those questions have been ignored. Perhaps now you can take some time. :-) Cheers!
@mr.jimmydean1980
@mr.jimmydean1980 9 жыл бұрын
i like the analogy but electricity doesn't slow down.. current gets smaller which is the amount of electrons flowing per time. but they are still traveling at the speed of light.
@JeffDeWitt
@JeffDeWitt 7 жыл бұрын
It's additional ground is a good idea, and I'm going to do the "Big 3" + 1 on my good old Jeep but... "Negative power!?!
@axenz1
@axenz1 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is deep
@purpletarantula4795
@purpletarantula4795 8 жыл бұрын
I have 2x 300amp alts and have run a 2/0 awg cable from the back of the alts to the chassis. would this be sufficient enough!!! instead of grounding to the battery!!! as I also have one Kinetik battery up front and 4 in the boot with all batteries ground to the chassis. your input would be much appreciated. Cheers
@707SonomaComa
@707SonomaComa 7 жыл бұрын
Would it work to run a short ground wire from the alternator to the engine block, or does it have to go all the way from the alternator to the battery. I have a 1970 GMC C20 and the alternator is on the driver's side and the battery is way on the passenger's side. Although... I do have a positive 10 gauge wire from the alternator to the battery.
@TurboJohn74
@TurboJohn74 8 жыл бұрын
Good post! I did not put thought into this, and you caught me before I wasted some efforts. Thank you for the wisdom sir
@Vealasalo
@Vealasalo 8 жыл бұрын
So what about that ground that is already factory connected? Am I just adding to that or is that upgrade replacing it?
@bcc97j
@bcc97j 7 жыл бұрын
alternatorman, what size bolt goes into that mounting hole on the back of the alternator? I have a 99 GMC Suburban C1500 gmt400. Thanks.
@joselopezpaz8967
@joselopezpaz8967 9 жыл бұрын
Hey alternatorman would the big 3 upgrade fry any other electronic components in vehicle? What if I don't have a amp or sound system would that still benign my electric system ?
@woodjohnson4329
@woodjohnson4329 10 жыл бұрын
Will do:)
@josephramirez843
@josephramirez843 7 жыл бұрын
this video is the original big 4 upgrade
@johnlitvinenko
@johnlitvinenko 7 жыл бұрын
I have an f350, i want to do this upgrade, it has dual alt. and dual batteries. Can you pease explain preferred wiring for this set up. Also whats your thoughts on breaker vs fuse? Thank you.
@Thezuule1
@Thezuule1 9 жыл бұрын
What about wiring the back of the alternator to the chassis? That's what I've done in my car and my idle voltage is around 14.8. Seems to be working okay. Is there anything to be gained by running it to the battery?
@hotrodfury
@hotrodfury 7 жыл бұрын
to do a big 3 upgrade on an old mopar, will it make a difference if it has an external voltage regulator and not one built in?
@kevkillevra
@kevkillevra 9 жыл бұрын
Ok I added the big 3 to a 98 chevy Tahoe ls and I have the right bolt that fits into one of the 2 threaded holes in the rear of the case. Where is the best spot for the ground to go?
@mikexc90
@mikexc90 8 жыл бұрын
Nice video, also the car from front to back is on spot welded and the car is only as good as say 4awg, if you need to run a 0awg to the rear then also considering running a negative cable back too.
@jayflip6200
@jayflip6200 9 жыл бұрын
would that work for any alt or just h/o alts
@makaioprescott5436
@makaioprescott5436 9 жыл бұрын
So would doing the Big 3(4) help with the performance of my vehicle?
@erik120719
@erik120719 9 жыл бұрын
ive been telling ppl for years the battery isnt anything but a big capacitor. ppl run HUGE power wires to the amp from battery nd wonder why lights dim. you can remove the battery after car is running ( with upgraded charging and ground wires) and have little to no dim because basically the alt runs EVERYTHING when the car is running and the batteris basically nothing more than a buffer to keep the rectifier from getting overloaded from a heavy draw.and then u have the guys that throw a cap at it, dont even get me started there. imho all a cap is good for is the crappy voltage meter ontop and possibly hooking to 120v extension cord and blowing up.
@kimobrien.
@kimobrien. 9 жыл бұрын
Don't remove the battery from a modern running car. You risk burning out the on board computer. Batteries store and make energy from chemical reactions. Capacitors store energy in an electric field created by separating opposite charges. They do similar things but not in the same way. A simple capacitor can be made with two metal plates separated by an insulator. Electrolytic capacitors are manufactured by creating an oxide on one plate that serves as a separator/insulator. That is done by an electrochemical reaction which is never intentionally reversed for the capacitors lifetime. In a storage battery the electrochemical reaction cycles through charge and discharge cycles until it can no longer hold a significant charge.
@kimobrien.
@kimobrien. 8 жыл бұрын
***** Other than using ultra caps there is no replacement for a storage battery in a car except anther kind of battery. You need a lot of power for a short time to turnover the engine with the starter motor. You could use a windup spring with a hand crank I supose.
@kimobrien.
@kimobrien. 7 жыл бұрын
Okay Years ago I had a Chrysler Corp vehicle with an amp meter. Once you started the vehicle you could tell if the battery was charging by looking at the amp meter. The size of the wires you need for any application is usually governed by the acceptable voltage drop and the heat generated in the wire. Both of these factor are controlled by the current through the wire. Heat is controlled by the size and type of wire and current passing through it. Some insulation covers can withstand more heat. While current, length, size, and type control voltage drop. More current the greater the drop. The longer the wire the greater the voltage drop. The bigger the wire the lower the voltage drop. Copper's conductivity is better than aluminum, nickel is plated over copper as a way to discourage oxidation of copper. Gold is best but very expensive. Silver is more expensive than copper but is easily oxidised. Some specialty wires use copper plated steel or steel strand alloys for a single strand in a multi strand wire, or other specialty alloys.
@suggesttwo
@suggesttwo 8 жыл бұрын
a better mod would the shortest path between negative and the engine block or head, remove the alternator and clean the the spots that make contact between the alternator and engine. this is because the engine is bigger than the ground wire. contact, contact, contact.
@suggesttwo
@suggesttwo 8 жыл бұрын
also use contact grease to prevent further corrosion.
@BlueNova6152
@BlueNova6152 7 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a bridge rectifier doesn't send current out the Ground. It flips the negative portions of the Wave. E.g. nununununu becomes nnnnnnnnnn turning AC into rough DC. Regardless running a copper ground wire from ALT to BAT/Chassis especially on older corroded blocks should see a reduced voltage drop.
@alternatorman
@alternatorman 7 жыл бұрын
The rectifier does 'send' current to ground, otherwise the circuit would be incomplete. If you think of electrical current like water, AC is a 'push-pull', the water doesn't really flow, it just moves back and forth. The rectifier is like a series of one-way valves that convert that push pull into a steady stream.
@morepower673
@morepower673 9 жыл бұрын
Whats the cost of a dual rectifier alternator?
@slow_ej8_ivanleyva104
@slow_ej8_ivanleyva104 7 жыл бұрын
have u had any problems with the big 4
@LegendaryGarageYT
@LegendaryGarageYT 9 жыл бұрын
Is the entire back of the alt a ground? Except the positive post cause I tried doing that and couldn't find a spot to mount a cable to a ground on the alt ?
@alternatorman
@alternatorman 9 жыл бұрын
legendary504 Yes, when the bridge rectifier splits the AC current into DC the positive goes out through the positive battery post and the negative is dumped into the rear housing. If you cannot connect to the rear housing just connect as close to the rear housing as you can.
@heyitschinoable
@heyitschinoable 8 жыл бұрын
To the mounting or metal sleeve that attaches it to the bracket should be good also
@walterderijk9598
@walterderijk9598 7 жыл бұрын
Legendary504 ...great explanation, let me add some more points..1) the alternator is a three fase machine, so the bridge rectifier inside is in fact a three fase rectifier...... The machines negative (the Back of the alternator) is the same voltage level as the battery negative, so by connecting the Back of the alternator directly to the battery negative is the most favourable way of electrical connection.. O, yes one more thing; electrons/electricity are not 'flowing' with 300,000km a sec.....the electrical effect is going forward with that speed. the hopping of electrons in a cable, if visible, can be followed with the eye.....strange, but thru.....best regards..
@AgustinCesar
@AgustinCesar 8 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a 95 Swift (pretty much like a Geo Metro, but with a trunk). I did the big 3 upgrade plus the relocation to the trunk but I'm not sure if I did correctly or optimally. I ran a good 0 gauge cable from the junction that connects the fuse box-alt-bat + side to the trunk, and the grounds where all dual 0 cables to the chassis, but I never did the alternator ground like you explained. Should I run dual cables from the alt to the engine ground or the chassis?
@meerkhan4404
@meerkhan4404 8 жыл бұрын
very true i say the same thing
@erik120719
@erik120719 9 жыл бұрын
i personally have always run a fresh ground from alternator pivot bolt to the battery terminal ( which in turn goes to frame) when i do a big 3, never had a reason to do so untill now, im just a tad over kill nd it replaced the flat ribbon ground from motor to chassis imo
@CarAudioInc
@CarAudioInc 7 жыл бұрын
fuck it, make it a big 5 upgrade! do your transmission ground too
@BigDirtyBasterd
@BigDirtyBasterd 9 жыл бұрын
do you fuse the neg cable like the pos? also the big 3 i thought was 2 grounds to the battery (chassis and motor) and 1 pos from alt to batt?
@alternatorman
@alternatorman 9 жыл бұрын
BigDirtyBasterd No, you do not fuse the negative cable. You do fuse the positive, this is why you use a much larger positive wire so you can use a larger fuse. Fuses are restrictive to current flow so you need a bigger positive wire so you can use a bigger fuse.
@dextervillanueva7083
@dextervillanueva7083 7 жыл бұрын
alternatorman what amount of fuse i put?
@chongxiong6784
@chongxiong6784 7 жыл бұрын
can I run the ground from the back of the alternator to the chassis instead of run it to the battery negative?
@alternatorman
@alternatorman 7 жыл бұрын
We don't recommend grounding to the chassis alone. It's okay if you run the alternator ground directly to the chassis ground cable.
@-FALKOR
@-FALKOR 9 жыл бұрын
My alternator is not close to the battery. Would it be fine to connect to the chassis instead of the negative terminal?
@alternatorman
@alternatorman 9 жыл бұрын
Atreyu Auryn If you are not powering much you can use the chassis for the ground but if you are powering something like a High Wattage stereo amp or winch or snow plow that takes a lot of power then the chassis is not going to be good enough
@SickTheory
@SickTheory 9 жыл бұрын
Will it work just as good if, Run a wire to the back housing of the alternator to the body or frame of the vehicle? Instead of running it all the way to the negative side of the battery.
@alternatorman
@alternatorman 9 жыл бұрын
SickTheory Not really. You can run it to the grounding point on your frame or engine block. Having ground run through the frame/body just isn't as good.
@SickTheory
@SickTheory 9 жыл бұрын
alternatorman Thanks for the reply! would you recommend also running a bigger guage wire from the (+) alternator to the positive side of the battery?
@gerhardbraatz6305
@gerhardbraatz6305 7 жыл бұрын
I,ve built transmissions for 23 years . Also if electricity has to flow through trans. it will eat up the trans. bushings.
@sc928porsche8
@sc928porsche8 7 жыл бұрын
when I went to school light traveled at 186K MPS and electricity traveled at 180K MPS.
@ArtHur-pl7ej
@ArtHur-pl7ej 10 жыл бұрын
So you are saying it's best to have 3 neg wires running from the battery, one to the frame, one to the engine block, and one to the back of alternator?
@alternatorman
@alternatorman 10 жыл бұрын
The way I usually see it is a wire from the battery negative to the frame, and from that junction have two connections, one to the block and the other to the alternator.
@iiSup3rior
@iiSup3rior 9 жыл бұрын
alternatorman So have one neg wire and use a distributor block for the block and alternator?
@ArtHur-pl7ej
@ArtHur-pl7ej 9 жыл бұрын
Jesse Cruz I got it. Thanks
7 жыл бұрын
This original question of needing a whopping 3 negative wires running from the battery was never even answered.
@YGth3maKK
@YGth3maKK 10 жыл бұрын
1) Battery to Body - 2-3) Battery to Alt -/+ 4) Alt to Body - Is this right?
@romchompa6858
@romchompa6858 8 жыл бұрын
from the video i just watched before this 1 is alternator to battery 2 is battery to body ground 3 is engine block to body ground and 4 would be alternator to battery ground
@SouthTxBiker
@SouthTxBiker 8 жыл бұрын
1) Battery to body 2-3) Alternator to to battery -/+ 4) Motor to chassis
@gus0440446
@gus0440446 7 жыл бұрын
big 4 upgrade coming soon
@alextwfsk8er
@alextwfsk8er 10 жыл бұрын
ever since i upgraded my electrical i've been getting a popping sound through my amped speakers do you think grounding my alternator will eliminate some of that noise?
@CarAudioInc
@CarAudioInc 7 жыл бұрын
I would mess around with what you changed first.
@philindeblance
@philindeblance 8 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to know what the other 3 upgrades are, since the Big# I know is the engine, the battery negative AND the ground for the alt...Whats the 4th?
@wmonte75
@wmonte75 9 жыл бұрын
LOL, thing you did not mention is that the Alternator is already grounded to the chassis which is 1 big conductor.
@alternatorman
@alternatorman 9 жыл бұрын
It is one big conductor, but it's not a very good conductor. The conductivity of steel is 6.99e6 S/m, where copper has a conductivity of 5.96e7, meaning copper is roughly 10 times more conductive than steel. Not to mention the numerous contacts points in a chassis which corrode and further reduce conductivity.
@mrmikewayne64
@mrmikewayne64 10 жыл бұрын
ground back of alternator should still be big 3 cause then you can get rid of ground to motor the alternator is bolted to the motor
@alternatorman
@alternatorman 10 жыл бұрын
The mount ground isn't a reliable ground. There are multiple mating surfaces that the power has to pass through, and after years of corrosion you lose your ground connection. A direct cable connection from the back of the alternator to the battery negative is a reliable ground.
@250PICKLE
@250PICKLE 10 жыл бұрын
alternatorman thank you sir for bringing this topic to the table. lets assume the absolute best possible ground setup. 1 - ground battery directly to chassis/frame (this being the only wire at battery negative) 2 - ground motor to frame at shortest possible distance (preferably by itself) 3 - ground alternator casing to frame at shortest possible distance (preferably by itself) 4 - attach fused power wire from battery positive to alternator positive do you think anything is wrong with what ive just listed? do you agree that it is best to isolate all grounds and keep them as short as possible? i think my main question is...cant everything you want grounded, be grounded completely by itself including the battery? thank you very much!
@deft1abc1
@deft1abc1 9 жыл бұрын
alternatorman in some cars (like my 03 mustang gt) the alternator is actually bolted strait to the engine so only need to do big 3 upgrade would you agree?
@derrickdavis1133
@derrickdavis1133 8 жыл бұрын
+250PICKLE This actually makes much more sense to me. Less wasteful.
@Scrubsgetrekt
@Scrubsgetrekt 8 жыл бұрын
Making a closed loop is not wise, if something goes wrong, everything does, let's say your amp fries, your ecu might too, your battery might break. This is very basic as I have little time, I do not think i will comment this further as I'm lazy and forgetfull.
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