The ADF seriously feels like they just took a foldered aircraft and gave it its own thing.

Holy shit, a warthunder content creator that has a excellent taste in cinematics and isn’t cringe. I love this guy

AIM-7M isn't the most modern version of the Sparrow, AIM-7P and the AIM-7MH (also called AIM-7H, an AIM-7M upgraded with AIM-7P parts) were and they had lofting. Also this DCS level montage is awesome, Gaijin did good adding the new camera.

This is really well made, but I think you might have missed something. If my understanding is correct, the reason that the block 10 variants of the 16 can pull more is due mainly to the nature of how realistic mouse aim artificially limits the deflection of the elevators of the block 15+ models with the instructor. Consequently, in sim/full real controls, the ADF (and all other block 15+ variants) can pull competitive levels of Gs with the block 10s - but just that, only in sim. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, as it has been a minute since I looked into this. Also, its worth noting that having less weight on the A model will still have an effect, although slim. I just thought it may be worth mentioning that there is a significant difference in ability when it comes to the block 15+ variants on a variety of different control settings. The same can be said for the Mirage 2000 as well, its able to pull things in sim that it cant even get close to in RB controls. This is of course all assuming that you did your tests using RB controls in the first place, which I assume you did.

Earlier this week i defeated an F-16 in my J-8B in a one-on-one dogfight. Must have been the greatest thrill iv’e ever felt in this game

absolutely over the top editing, aside from dollar with his meme format and animations, I've seen nothing else from creators that's this consistently over the top

1:51 "the most modern version of the Sparrow even today, the AIM-7M" *AIM-7P would like to have a word* Anyways great video as always!

Interesting, didn't know that. I'll still stick to my ADF for Air RB tho, if only because I'm happy to trade a bit of dogfighting potential for the 7Ms. 40km Killshots are a wonderful thing.

Honestly I feel equally comfortable in a dogfight with either frame, though I do agree the BLK.10 has better instant agility. Think that's just because usually I'm trying not to engage in a dogfight at all or when I am, I'm trying to rate fight at mid-speeds, which is equal between the two (both absolutely rip around at 26 degrees per second). However, since the BLK.15/20 has access to Aim-7M's (MH when), I prefer it to the BLK.10 since I have more stand-off capability. It's really just personal taste though

I love the editing and the "serious" humour that goes into the video

loving your videos rn man, super informative

Wow these videos are insane. Good music, visuals, and very informative! Didnt fastforward at any point!

That was a crisp video my guy great work!

That was some really nice editing and you raised some great points. You just got a new sub

Earned yourself a sub. Good video, nice pace with the visuals complementing the script, and well chosen audio. Take it for what it’s worth, I think one way of making this video would be using WRTI and showing different altitude turns (and maybe even a top-down view of the turning circle side by side). That would require more work, but overall impressive video.

amazing quality i love your vids man! keep up the good work!

Dude your background clips are always amazing, you should consider making short WT films or something like that

Alot of quality content right here, love it

Greatest technical and “historical” warthunder channel out there

This is fr the cleanest wt vid I’ve ever seen

Not gonna matter to me anymore bc I’m gonna be kicking ass in the F-14B

The editing is insane!!

always noticed in videos that people flying their Block 10s looked...overall lighter with their handling than the Block 15 i usually fly- ive still bagged a few Block 10s in it though because with a HOTAS the Block 15 can just about pull as hard as it wants, so long as i dont allow my energy state to fall too slow or too fast. And the performance gap between these two falcons can be negligible with a bit of clever BFM through those means- though i would fear a pilot who flies this thing with a HOTAS lmao. this reminds me lots of the dogfighting disparity between the JA37 and AJ37 viggens

Love youre vids man! quality over quantaty

damn your cinematics hit hard cool video

What a perfect looking footages in your videos.

You get a sub for the great content! Well done

I really really liked the camera angles and overall direction of the video!!! Just make sure to read @RustyRobot 's comment about differing controls for RB and SIM in game.

I love your thumbnails they remind me so much of mustards thumbnails

Yea I'd say you've earned my subscription 10/10 vid

Proof that the F16AJ is currently the best if we ignore the extra countermeasures from the MLU

Nah bruh this mf is far better than spookton

You know it’s sad when a gaming community watches videos of in game aircraft specifically to discuss what the developer does wrong. While other communities exchange flying stories on how they took a missile, limped it back to the airfield, repaired, and then covered a helicopter inserting ground troop by providing SEAD

The Kfir can hold it's own in some cases against the block 10, besides energy retention i guess

I got the Netz on Israel after playing the F-16 ADF in the American tree and it is night and day for me. The ADF feels like an absolute brick by comparison. I feel like I can actually dogfight in the Netz (an F-16A block 10). My first 3 games I got 4 kills, then 5 kills, then 6 kills. Having the new Python 3's helps too.

I never knew wt could look this good

Bigger tail makes it easier to get out of deep stalls because it shifts the center of lift bit more aft than its lower area predecessor 💀

You can still clap anyone with ADF but every once in a while you have to take the fight with another F16 only to realise its a Block 10 and now you're dead.

needs more views fr

instability and manuoeverabilty are different things, its makes sense to say they are if you think about it but in reality manoeuvrability is how hard a plane can pull a turn and how quickly in a given direction, and instability is how the airframe reacts to adverse air conditions (wind, turbulence etc) its an easy mistake to make but

Much better audio quality, thank you so much! Edit: Also, this video has made me reinstall warthunder for the 7th time.

I think the A-5/RA-5 Vigilante was the first production combat aircraft to have fly-by-wire

Great video

Where can i get that Mig 29 F22 skin?

RB players having instructor limiting about 40% of their planes performance:Gaijin is shitting on the F16s...

You should do something like this for dcs

the block 15s for some reason have a broken FM which is just weird as fuck, with full real it pulls more than the block 10 at least from the limited experience I have between em

I mean, j35d and ja37c/d can win with f16 in dogfight, it's not easy but still easier than winning with mig 29 in my opinion

no matter how bad it is compared to the A, both eat sparrows and Vulcan like champs. Su25s are proud of them.

Larger elevators would equal better ability to pull, but it’s modeled weird.

Gaijin should just give it a good ole WT flight model so we can pull 14Gs out of our ass.

Is the filter in-game post FX or edited?

The reclined seat is because the canopy would have to protrude higher in relation to the airframe. Reclining gives a lot more clearance for taller pilots.

Here i am, in the woeful minority of those that win the majority of my 1 v 1s in the ADF. While the BLK 10 does feel better, the slight performance "downgrade" in the BLK 15 doesnt really feel like a hinderance.

new added systems => added weight => FATAL FLAW

AIM-7P is the final Sparrow model.

I almost heard the talking over the music

0:50 lmao that shit got me

What sound mods do you use? Also, are your graphics via editing? Or is it possible for me to have my game look like yours?

So the AJ is the best air to air F-16 unless they buff the Aim-7M then?

YOu make me wonder if you would enjoy/have enjoyed Falcon 4.0

the 14 is a better dogfighter because it behaves better on a much greater range of speeds. It can use flaps and when on manual wing control, you get tremendous lift

does anyone know where the F-16AJ falls in all this?

It may be the best dogfighter in the game, but saddly, in this era of war thunder, it does not matter. The second you loose speed its game over. And even in the "best" plane build for that, 90% of its pilot can't even dogfight

What model is the F-16AJ? It has the smaller elevators, can carry air-to-ground munitions, but can also carry sparrows. Is this the ultimate F-16 in game?

It was not designed to be unstable to improve maneuverability. It was designed to improve energy-maneuverability. This is to say that it should have superior energy retention and turn rate than other fighters and designs. It's AoA was drastically limited in comparison to other designs such as the F-14 and F-15 or F/A-18. The aircraft had poor performance when rolling at AoA above 20 degrees without drastically reducing roll rate, which was done later as a modification to the FLCS. In fact, the reason the ADF / MLU perform worse than the block 10 is almost solely due to the instructor flight model. They can handle more AoA and recover far more easily in full real. This is advantageous when fighting better dogfighters such as the F-14A and the MiG-29 which can easily force one circle fights

What do you do in a high speed dogfight in either F16, it just seems like MIG29’s can extend and force the AoA limiter to cuck you by forcing a high speed pass.

But, after gaijin remove g limit ADF is best f16a in term of turn and overall respons to dogfight First best f16 is Japan version Because its just f16a cas version with aim7.

they turn the same, just take a full aim9L load out if wanna turn more with block 50

Is it worth using the sparrows to trade for the better performance?

I would like gaijin add a more realistic flight model of the F-16

How do people get their war thunder to look this good

They should make the f16 and mig29 have the same g limit instead of f16 pulling less g's then the mig29

I don't disagree, but at top tier I personally find prolonged dog fights to be much more rare than good positioning and getting picks with missiles

Wish WT sounded like that

Hmmm indeed

Cool!

The f16 can use sparrows? I thought it never use them

It’s unfortunate to me that the ADF flies the worst of the F-16’s, as it’s a plane important to my regional pride; you may notice the tail flash, an eagle and the word “Oregon.” This tail flash is of Kingsley Air Force Base, which is near my home town, and is currently the F-15C training wing.

Apparently the MLUs flight model is a copy paste from the block 10

AIM-7M is not the most modern variant of the Sparrow, the AIM-7MH is.

Can't do anything in first F F16 12.0 it's F unplayable

As a Viggen player, I could hardly call the F-16 the best dogfighter in the game. The favourite of all F-16 players is to drag their opponent in the vertical rate fight. My trump card to that: "don't follow him lmao"

I wonder how you got the post processing colors to look like that. Was it with reshade or was it in a video editing software?

barely pulling 8gs while f14 pulls harder

Everyone in here is nerding out hard about specifics and blocks or whatever. Mf im just playing the game😂 gun and missile goes brrrrr

So they aren’t modeled correctly in the game

Coming from someone who has done 1 on 1 controlled dogfights so same fuel and no missles guns only there is a definite difference on the f-16s having fought them all against decent pilots but 29 still beats the 16 block 10 the 29 I can say is the better fighter.

The F-16s might be the pinnacle of dogfighters in WT, but in my experience their pilots are so inexperienced that beating them in a dogfight is not that hard, I consistently win 1v1s against F-16s in my J-7E.

I've always been disappointed by the F-16ADF in game. I like the radar gunsight, but everything else it does, the Tomcat can do better. with the introduction of the F-14B and its more powerful engines, I'm certain that the F-16 will be useless in a competitive environment... unless gaijin reworks how mouse aim works with the fly by wire avionics.

7M doesnt differ from the 7F and the only thing that changes is the visual model

you don't get best and cheap in one package......come on it should have been obvious right.

Idk, but I'd prefer the ADF cuz it has sparrows, which are really strong

that's just warthunder being bad at making FM and being ignorant about aerodynamics

Eh, F-16 is cool and all but the MiG-29, in MY opinion, is a bit better and cooler looking

Flies the worst of any version in game, still makes every nation other than US and USSR irrelevent xD

I don't know. Me and my squadron do a lot of BFM practice in war thunder. There are definite advantages the viper has to exploit against everything it fights against, but i mean its turn rate really only "kicks in" around the 430-350KT range. which all around isnt bad, but i mean it has about the same if not extrenely similar sustained turn rate as the F-14A, but the turn rate in the ADF vs the A is minimal, and barely even true. The ADF sacrifices some 1 circle capability for avionics upgrades, while maintaining a 2 circle fighter. This is a trend with later models (and if youre an RB player, youre not really gonna find much love with rate fighters because rate fighting involves alot of stick play, and you cant do that with hoe rb on keyboard+mouse works.) But the issue is it's outclassed by even the F-14A when it comes to 1 circle capability. Which considering the mig-29, and mirage 2000 exist, why fly an F-16 as a dogfighter for RB when the best BFM style for K+M pilots is 1 circle fighting?

Learn about the offset two circle, it's one of the few things you can do in a worse rate fighter to beat it. However you still need a fairly maneuverable aircraft Honestly one of the best tactics I've learned, it can make you win dogfights you really shouldn't

You're using it wrong.

mirage 2000 better