We all do this why I hope we ghave a true evil ending dlc with her in it

@@sinarchbishopoflust6717 could be so fucking awesome

I NEVER THOUGHT AB THAT. I’d love to hear what she has to say including if you did keep the power or kept it secret or shared it. I bet if you kept it secret she wouldn’t be to happy lol

“They never should’ve done that to me. I’m only trying to do good. The world would be so much better without pain.”

Just because the Keepers chose to avoid the ancient magic, does not justify Isidora's choices and actions. Just because someone chooses not to act, does not force anyone else to act. The existence of that magic had no harmful effect on anyone if left alone and by itself - it was not as if that magic was threatening the world through its existence and was calling for action. Isidora did all she did on her own account, by herself and for herself. Did the study of Dark Arts by all the wizards across the ages stopped Voldmort from becoming what he became? What good did it do in that regard? Nothing, it could not prevent people from becoming what they chose to become. How can you say the keepers were the real villains for not engaging with the magic? If Isidora did engage, why did she use it in a dark way? Who made her use it like that? The magic? No, herself. At that point, she would had used anything else she could access in pretty much the same way, being heavily studied before or not. It's not like the magic brainwashed her, she brainwashed herself. If I see something that is corrupting the world, then it is my duty as a human being to do all I can to stop it. But if I see something that is neutral and I have no desire to study that thing, why would it be my fault for leaving something be if others end up using a neutral force for evil ends? Sure, they may have destroyed the Portrait but for good reason: so no goblin or ill willed individual to be able to access the magic by collaborating with Isidora. Or allow an innocent being brainwashed by her like Palpatine brainwashed Anakin, and became Vader (unfortunately no one could erase Palpatine's "portrait" so Anakin cannot interact with him...) or how Ginny became "controlled" by Voldmort's diary. Being the character that she was, destroying any means of interacting with her, was justifiably of utmost importance. And making sure she died, by using the curse, was just as important. She was no longer a human being, she was a monster, experimenting on children and wanting to transform the entire world into zombies... What is there to leave alive? So she can work her way out of the trials or wait for some dark characters to approach her in Azkaban and release her to continue her work? No, characters like these, that are no longer human, cannot be contained... It's enough they had to deal with her left-behind magic, imagine having to deal with her alive as well. Instead of one uncontainable thing they would've had 2. No one forced her to act this way but her actions surely forced the keepers to react the way they did. They had no other choice. And the keepers did contain her evil, they did not use it in any way, so we have proof that their intentions were good all along. Otherwise, some of them would had been inclined to use it for themselves after she was dead.

I honestly hoped to talk to Isadora as well, maybe that will be ammended, probably not though, if there will be any more. And I sure wanted to help Seb and his sister. But now I can't even play the game as it is a total mess for me. Interesting thing is for my friend it is fine and i found out it is so for many people. Some have issues others have none. After the alst update I found it crashing, ancient magick emter broken, enemies broken sometimes and the lighting too, with is suddenly washing the entire screen wehn there should be little to none. LIke blinding. I'M honestly lost not to be able to play at all

I don’t they have plans for a dlc. They wrapped up the story pretty tight..

The story is a huge mess.

I think this will continue in the second game.

​@@user-wp2uo1xd4j dlc for mini games and side. Quest s

Exactly. The trials only prove someone is smart and powerful enough to survive and finish the trials. They don't test for a person's morality or ethics. It hinges on the "challenger" or in this case the MC to blindly believe the crafted narrative and then choose to continue keeping it a secret. Since the Keepers are so bent on "secrecy", they made the mistake of involving Isadora in the first place. The knowledge should have died with them if they didn't intend on researching or exploring the ancient magic further.

No, The very fact Ranrok acquired any info is proof of the opposite - Isiodora shared her knowledge and Ranrok was created as a result.

@@Dark_Voice Ranrok was created as a result of the cruelty of wizard kind, not Isadora.

@@ThoraxetheImpaile100 I think he means the Ranrok that wanted the ancient powers for himself. Not the Ranrok that’s salty about some wizard history

This is true. I think instead of trying to destory it and ignore its existence it would habe been so much better to Support Isadora and SAVELY study this magic to know the good and bad about it. They could have chanhed the whole history probably

Remind me when does hogwarts legacy takes place?

hogwarts legacy takes place in the late 1800s

​@@wavestrider2160 From the summer of 1890 to the spring of 1891.

@@TheFuronMothership @SuperSpider Studios exactly, so op mentioning its not an unforgivable yet is false, the avada kedavra is indeed unforgivable at the time But i argue its use here isnt cold blooded as the video suggest

@@wavestrider2160 The Wiki Potter says she was a professor at hogwarts by the 15th or 16th century so when she was killed, it was not an unforgivable curse yet. Edit: the game makes clear that the keepers story happened a few centuries before the hogwarts legacy events take place.

Right? And then you watch his memory and he killed Isidora... This last guardian is so shady.

@ Yep, That too Avada her and no one bats an eye.

@@christopher2684 wasn't unforgivable back in their time

@@christopher2684 actually one of them looks at him like wtf did you just do!

@@alessandropezzoli9717 the point is that San Bakar wansn't different than Isadora. He solved the problem choosing the easy solution, and what is worse, they silenced her, so we only can see the Keepers version of the story.

And there is also a parallel to Sebastian and Isidora. Both have an ailing family member, and both wanted to do anything to relieve their loved one of the pain. And both Sebastian and Isidora won't hesitate to go to the extremes, even if it means severing ties with someone close to them (Sebastian to his uncle, Isidora to the Keepers).

I hated the deathly Hallow trial, and if I may ask, what did it teach? Because I got nothing but a blasted headache from staring at so much black and white for that long.

@@mightymouse8134 To me the trial told the story of trying desperately to escape death, eventually accepting it, then in doing so conquering it. Kind of the same lesson Harry had to learn to master the Deathly Hallows in the books. I can see how the art style might bother you, but I thought it was beautiful. And, to my original point, it was meant to teach the character about accepting that there are certain inevitabilities, and that it’s only through accepting those inevitabilities that we conquer. This is to caution against trying to avoid the inevitable, like Isadora did. Not sure how much I agree. But I think that was the lesson.

@@catlover2223 Just because you can destroy darkness doesn't always mean that you should.

Because they are pussy and too afraid. I made sure to go against their stupid wishes.

Because its not about Ancient Magic being locked away, just SPECIFICALLY what isidora did. The spells she used and the magic she drew out of people

They did but not the way that you want.

Watching a memory is not having a conversation with her. Yes you got to make a decision at the end, but hearing more on her perspective and actions from her would have been nice. Not a skewed narrative from one of the parties involved

Yeah sieng what happaned to her father, you dont want to know what happaned to the poor students and their familys

Hell Anakin's destiny was never to destroy the Dark side but bring balance to the force the Jedi got arrogant and change came bout through the dark side until they got arrogant and light came back through luke with changes being made for the jedi

They just want to kill you to keep the Ancient Magic "safe"

I agree with your observation about Sebastian, and I'm glad to see that someone else picked up on it. But in both Sebastian and Isidora's cases, issues arose when power corrupted their good intentions. The Keepers see no middle ground to this, and are overly conservative. A real world parallel would be something like stem cell research. Sure, there are potentially unethical things that can arise from it, but that doesn't mean we ignore it and lock it away forever. Instead, we teach researchers proper ethics and find ways to use the science for genuine good, such as helping people with lost limbs. For all we know, there might be a way to use ancient magic to mitigate someone's pain without entirely removing it and making them a husk. That's why my Ravenclaw character decided to take the power, to study it and find out its true nature. Then, she'll decide whether to release information of it to the rest of the wizarding world. To me, that is the morally correct answer.

@@charismacaster2429 you're view on stem cell research is skewed. You've been lead to believe that because the Catholic church opposes uses human embryos for stem cell research that they oppose all stem cell research. But in fact, the Church supports ethically responsible stem cell research, while opposing any research that exploits or destroys human embryos. Because the Church opposes deliberately destroying innocent human life at any stage, for research or any other purpose, it opposes embryonic stem cell research as currently conducted.

@@charismacaster2429 the keepers are just like Solomon Sallow, refusing to see any possible use of dark magic. The use of unforgivable curses are absolutely unforgivable no matter the circumstances, even to the point that he is willing to attack the player and Sebastien rather than offer any sort of help. I mean an ex-auror attacks two Hogwarts students while trying to fend off a horde of inferi? Does that not sound just as crazy? No consideration for circumstances, he just instantly judges us as the greater threat. Also this theme holds for Ranrok as well. If you recall how he came to hate wizardkind, it was because he was interested in dragons and tried to approach a wizard, thinking that offering the wizard his dropped wand would be a way to break the ice. Instead, the wizard instantly judges him as the greatest threat and attacks him on sight. No consideration for circumstances. A goblin with a wand is an absolute threat, there can be no other reason.

There is even a parallel when you step back and pay attention to sebastians story. He went down a path with good intentions, but lost himself to the allure of unknown magics in a pursuit to fix his sister. Much like isadora trying to relieve her father from his pain.

@@charismacaster2429 I think people could argue that at the root of stem cell research is a desire to “play god” that’s why no matter how u put it or go about doing it, in my opinion I think it’s a complex matter. I know back then we didn’t have cars and maybe people thought building cars was bad too, bad comparison, but I do wanna be clear that I could be mixing up science and religion but I’m trying to say there is a certain point in science, where we continue to alter the natural way of things. The invention of glasses is phenomenal. But it’s allowed many of us “under equipped” with vision. To be able to stand with the crowd. In reality tho people that use the are blind as a bat. If it serves a need I guess it’s relevant. I don’t think we need to eradicate cancer or disease. Cause the where will our doctors go, our optometrist? If we figured a way to manipulate our bodies to collect moisture In the air so we where never thirsty again? Sounds incredible but what will happend to the things like Coca Cola and them yummy tropicana juices u sip on. They will eventually be gone I feel. So I guess that’s why we keep the power maintained, cause if not this world would eventually go to 💩 or maybe just get real boring because no one will have issues or problems, just living life very secular.

It looked as though she edited her memory so that whoever viewed it wouldn't see the traces escaping

I don't think she knew how to do that and she really wanted the thing holding him back gone

Exactly - transmuting/transfiguring the pain into joy. Not simply removing it, to leave an empty space. She became an emotional vampire. She really just didn't want to face her own pain of watching her loved one be in pain.

We need a TL; DR for this one lol.

I agree with this, they should have taken the centuries before the next ancient magic user to study, refine and understand to their best ability the ancient magic instead though they limit every avenue of its use, only Professor Rookwood seemed to be more on board about bolstering you, the MC’s, ancient magic, it’s clear the keepers don’t want anyone else to have ancient magic unless it’s their views on it. I also would have liked to talk with Isadoras portrait

@@UhmActually1 TL DR Pain is not for us to take, it is us to heal from them, pain is on our life, if it is taken, then we lost our way to heal. That's bad. Keepers should've taught Isidora on how to use her powers more less destructive.

Studying what she was doing wasn't the way to go, hell if she was really worried about taking away the pain use the Obliviate and wipe the memory of the son from his mind. But that would be wrong because it is taking his memories away from him, but at least it wouldn't have left him a husk.

They should have talked. They could have found anotger solution with 5 minds working on it. Something like take the pain, out them in goblinsilver pendants and give it back to its owner in smaller amounts. That way its still with the owner and they have less pain at a time allowing them to heal. Surely there would have been enough things possible. Maybe using the magic would make it run out instead of having it lay arount for villains to use.

Agreed. Same with Sebastian’s story. So tragic 💔 😢

I'd rather not be depressed tbh lol

Pain doesn't make us human. I'm a Antinatalist and am against any kind of procreation aka birth as that is inflicting pain and suffering onto innocent sentient beings.

​@@KyleEvra I'm an antinatalist too, but we have to agree that pain and love are both the most powerful forces to change... And since we live in a society, the latter is far more normal. Pain is human because sometimes we humans inflict on each other without even knowing. It's a force of change and one of the most powerful teachers of life. Pain set us clear boundaries and a world without pain would be impossible. Not having a child is freeing them of pain? Sure, but it's paradoxical since they lever lived in the first place. There are better motives to being antinatalist, like not really thinking parenthood is out purpose in life, self evaluation, a desire to be free to live the world the way you like, overpopulation exploits of the richest half, etc. But freeing someone that didn't even live of pain is not one. Pain is human.

@@KyleEvra that a fancy word for coward and sadist. Pain teaches us of the world the good and the bad. Isadora was onto something but she found something that worked in the short term. Pain is a force of nature and is needed Isadora went of the deep end and it was all avoidable at many point in her life the keepers didnt do shit didn't sit her down tell her WHY taking pain is bad. they Seemed to egg her on as if trying to make her take the bad route with nudges here and there. they wanted an excuse to be rid of her.

Right?! I mean really what did they REALLY tell you anyway?... that taking pain from others is bad and they dont know what that red stuff is. Oh and no one should use ancient magic...(for good or bad). That's it.

Same

I made sure to go against their wishes. Because I really hated how they wanted me to do everything their way.

@@KyleEvra there was no leeway. They never told you anything about the trials, and sent a kid to risk their life for them.

That's what I wanted to do at first, but then I got to thinking about sebastian's request to learn ancient magic to try and save his sister Anne. But as we're told in the pensine that this would render the person emotionless, I was afraid it would be the same for Anne. So I didn't take the power for myself.. but in the end it was all for nothing as we couldn't even see Anne again

Was your overall magic much stronger after taking the power or not at all?

I did good ending with other 3 (2 didn't complete yet, but did Gryffindor 100%) but with Slytherin i did evil ending (done 100%). All excluded cave puzzles, not important for 100%.

@@christianastorga4555 Zero change

@@michaelmorehouse6027 I'd figured. That said, I feel like Ancient Magic really needs to be expounded on. Seems like powerful magic that could cause the end of humanity imo lol

Rackham was also a 5th year when he started. I think it's just an ancient magic thing. Like for some reason it suppresses a Wizards magic until they turn 15 or so.

@@stevenhiggins3055 I also hate that. It should have been that we were the only 5th year now it feels cheapened by having 5 other people start as 5th years.

@@lockskelington314 3 Percival, Isidora and you. Percival and Isidora were presumably decades apart as he was already white haired when she was a child and you're born centuries later. As they say at the start Fig and George have never even heard of someone starting Hogwarts as a 5th year so they've even forgotten the other two who were once Hogwarts professors.

That is their day job after they finish talking to us lmao

No, they exist to guard the old Elven lore from the Elvhenan times.

Ditto!

Who's Everett?

@@TheGingiGamerhe’s the raven claw from the mission where flying is introduced. The one who gives you a tour of hogwarts

@@SirFlooberis oh right

You are aware that irl if someone were to steal people's emotions the authority wouldn't "reason with them" they're going to straight up arrest/kill them, because what they're doing is wrong and can't be excused so "reasoning" with Isidora when she clearly is starting to lose it wouldn't have worked, maybe it would've before she started absorbing ancient magic.

They are dumb. Why fear a power you have? Doesn't make any sense.

@@KyleEvra I tend to agree, but what if the use that power was the root of change on Isadora's behavior?

They are not evil I 100% agree, they were simply too afraid of the power isadora was wielding and feard the damage it could cause. Thus they don't want to unleash it even if it can do more good than harm.

@@KyleEvra how do they know that the power she is using for good now, won't eventually be used for bad later?

Without consent ? Really ? Where is the evidence that she used it on the students without their consent?

That part of the story was a bit annoying. Taking Anne's pain (or at least considering it) seemed to be the obvious culmination of Sebastian's story. Unfortunately it's never even talked about. Maybe our character could have used it in this one case without turning into Isadora. Knowing the dangers would give us a big advantage.

@@Mekias Exactly! As much as I liked Sebastian's story it felt incomplete.

Anne pain was cause by the curse(crucio like) from others so if they can't break the curse then it's basically useless.

@@stevenkoo2294 But that's the point, what stops the MC from taking the curse itself out of her with ancient magic like Isidora did with pain and emotions? If you can take those out than surely you can take out the magic which is the root for the curse to work,. it's very possible and a very good application of what Isidora was trying to study... if possibilities like that exists there was so much good that the MC could possibly do

@@stevenkoo2294 ancient magic doesn't quite seem to follow the regular magic

Maybe they dont have accidental magic. You have to will it enough or the owners can only use it through a wand wich makes it not show up without a foci

Yeah, I was kind of annoyed with how many times it's mentioned that we joined as a fifth year, but they gave no explanation. We also never attended Professor Figs' class, like what does he even teach?

@@lilacsunshine3132 He teaches Magic Theory, but yeah, it’s odd we never even attend his class.

As if any other spell would’ve worked. The killing curse is justified in certain situations.

The killing curse was the better option in truth. It's the most humane way to kill someone and the other keepers still cared about her to some extent; they likely would've reacted differently if Bakkar had killed her by carving her up like a turkey or by torching her alive and melting the flesh off of her bones. Isidora was too strongwilled for imperio to last long if it even worked on her at all. That's without factoring in that she was magically enhanced at the time. Certain spells might have no effect on her because of that.

I went against their wishes because fuck them. They are not the Heroes the game tries to make them out to be.

@@SimplymeSVEN18 Like they were trying to do? They were using all the most violent of the dueling spells from the start.

@@snintendog They did not. Rakham started with Expelliarmus and that was followed with a priori incantatem powerstruggle after Isadora's retalliation. The colour of Rkham's follow-up also resembles in-game stupefy; again a non-lethal attack. And Bakkar ends it with AK shortly after.

Don’t forget Expulso, that’s another spell enemy wizards use that we don’t learn.

When you finish the main story, it was already spring going to summer and you're about to win the house cup. So technically, at the end of the game the school term is already over.

A ranged Pertificus Totalus for the player that could insta-kill most enemies seems a bit OP but they could balance it out by giving it a long cooldown of like 20 seconds.

I know your post is a year old, but yes their actions were entirely driven by fear, I expected much better of magical educators on progressing branches of magic. All the keepers proved is that they can't be trusted, their trials were farcical & they didn't teach us anything about our power. They wanted us to listen to their every word view Isadora as aunhinged villain that desvered to be put down & complete their nonsensical sanctimonious tests just so they could dump responsability of a magical bomb on a 15 year old. Look at bakar ignoring a current threat day just because he insited on us to complete is tedious trial he's a massive hypocrite & a pompous basterd.

"You have bad dreams and emotions? Why don't I just delete your capacity to have any at all?" - apt comparison btw

Glad I'm not the only one who thought of the Tranquil lol

@@biornr.4031 That's exactly what happened and explained in the game. While at the moment Isidora's father felt relieved when his pain was removed. Due to the lack of pain, there's no joy to be had as well, as pain and joy are two sides of the same coin. Removing one, will remove the other. And Isidora's father end up like a vegetable, unable to feel anything.

In the end, I don't think the story makes them villains, but it doesn't make them pure hearted angels either. A lot of the lessons in the Wizarding World tend to end in the lesson that people are people, and make choices because they are people, less than because they are good or bad. They're just people being people.

I think and mind this is a theory he was probably in love with Maeve so when he thought Isodra had killed her he reacted like any person would when they think their loved one is dead and their friends are in danger.

*Niamh (pronounced as NEE-VE) not Maeve, but I agree.

It changes everything -its one of the choices that matters.

@@Dark_Voice Okay. I'll have to play again and choose to use it...

My logic was (story wise), I kept it contained until I could further do more research on it. Isidora became unhinged by the end of it (so did Ranrok), it being magic derived from strong emotional magic (pain), made them mad. I want power yes, but not power that could end up controlling or destroying me. I would have plenty of time to be understand it, do research and slowly learn to master it, without losing my mind. Game wise, It didn't make sense to me, because it changes nothing of the outcome or ending; Fig dies, Ranrok dies, and I go back to school to finish the year and "prepare" for my owls.

What makes you think you're better then her and Ranrock? They both had their ideals to follow and thought they were right, just like you. With such power it is highly unlikely that anyone would be able to resist interfering in matters that are none of their concern and becoming a villian to some, if not many

@@SaphireKancer90 personally I didnt think she became unhinged. I actually agreed with her more by the end of my second playthrough than the first. I found keeping it contained wasnt worth all the work youd gone through just to bottle it up again, wtf not have an ending with taking it. Its not like you were going to follow in the previous two's footsteps anyway.

@@matthewzaslavets8423 because its my character, my idea and my playthrough? They dont give you a specific ending in showing you what you do with the power once you get it so I just finished it as a good ending in my head where the game leaves you off as. Besides I never once mentioned I was better than them to begin with, I was only stating the difference in my playthroughs and where I felt more strongly pulled to once I finished each ending.

@@matthewzaslavets8423 plus in my book there wasnt an evil ending to begin with. If you take the power then you're getting what you deserve, what you went through the trials for. If you dont take it , then its just kinda there to be locked for eternity. You cant use it in the end and I get why leaving it there made no difference vs taking it. But i found the "evil ending." As some put it to be the better one.

The keepers are the villains. Our 15 year old Character shouldn't have to play janitor to clean up someone's else messes. Hiding a secret dark magic inside a ball underneath a cave what COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?! OH!, I know! Evil Goblin decided to go insane and take his hated out on Wizardkind because he got bullied by ONE! Taking his hated out on our poor 15 year old student who just wanted to have a normal wizard school life. This is why, I hate the Keepers because our character didn't consent to this and was forced to do this because the Keepers are too lazy and dead to clean up after their messes.

@@KyleEvra When I played the game, I found the Keeper's reluctance to trust The Student annoying - all of them, with the exception of Niamh Fitzgerald, believe that The Student is too young to take on the responsibility, with San Bakar being the worst as his reluctance is two-fold, believing The Student both too young and having concerns of the morality of The Student The only mistake that the Keepers made was not knowing that Bragbor the Boastful kept records, which is what clued in Ranrok to the existence of the repositories. If not for that, The Student would have been feed clues about the existence of Ancient Magic thorough Niamh Fitzgerald - as she knew about The Student through her portrait in the Headmaster's office. Eventually, The Student would have been guided to discover the key, likely as a 7th-year, and would have undergone the trials then. Yes, a 15-year-old who hadn't even completed their OWLs should never have been asked to clean up the mess caused by a single mistake made by four fully qualified wizards five hundred years in the past, but that doesn't make them the villains. While Ranrok relates a sob-story about him encountering a group of poachers and an illegal dragon camp, he demonstrates no sympathy for dragons in later life, using goblin silver and ancient magic to enslave the animals for the entertainment of wizards and for his future war on wizard-kind. I also very much doubt that Ranrok just 'picked up' the dropped wand - he was likely trying to use it before he was nearly beat to death. Not hearing the story first-hand, not being able to ask follow-up questions, you have to wonder if the narrator is reliable.