Thanks!

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@@novicelumberjack That’s an 281e you was using yesterday correct?

@@novicelumberjack You're welcome !!

Magnum = Condoms

I not understand very well all thoes specifications, I have the Stihl MSA300 witch comes with Light 04 bar, at sametime I have the Stihl 220C witch come with 40cm Rollomatic bar, I went by a Stihl dealer and hask for a 40cm Light 04 for the 220C but it not fits and they go down with a 35cm Light 04 also they change some other part because the chain for this new bar is slim, so now in this saw I have a shorter bar.

I’ve always heard the 6 rivet has more bearings . I was also curious on the 4 rivets of the tsumara for longevity… I’ve had 2 tsumaras, didn’t have a tip failure but I broke both bars. Both of which was my fault. To be honest…. I’ve never actually had a stihl tip failed with the 6 rivet and it’s not even serviceable

@danielsmith8659 mine did not hold up and my customers at the time were lucky to get 3 weeks out of one. This is east coast hard wood logging with gol methodology

@@afleetcommand I’m an east coast guy my self . South east. I really didn’t get enough run time on the tsumaras … to be fair they aren’t exactly cheaper than a regular stihl rollamatic es . I had both on a pro Mac 700 and had to modify them anyway to work correctly. So stihl wasn’t an option for that saw.

Stihl don’t mess up a lot, but this graphic is so bad

New design looks feminine. Reflection of modern times. I Prefer the rigid and plain.

Has the wrap handle, large dogs, roller chain catch, west coast clutch cover that’s taller and stiffer av springs.

If I didn't have this channel and was just going out and using it, I'd see this 400 a lot differently. As it is, I'm doing all these tests on it and it keeps losing. But, it feels great, it runs great, and if I wasn't doing these tests I would have no idea that is was really only high average. Does that make sense?

Hahaha! Looks kinda like that!

They are very nice saws for sure.

Me too bud im not paying ebay prices seen one ad for one of the 04 light bars for 175.00 CAD plus shipping and i bought my light 04 for 80 taxes in

@@JRTreeService-Firewood I use the Oregon power cut light bar. I payed $75 for 24". I also have an 18" and a 16". Good light and cheap. Cheers

You’re right, I thought so too. When I got my 261C-M a couple of years ago, I was going to try a .325, 0.050, 18” setup to see if to was going to improve the stock 3/8 LP. Sounds like I have to revisit this again with the dealers. I can just imagine the look I’ll get from my dealer who is not a chainsaw guy.

There is also a light 06 in some markets

China sourced parts since 2017. Stihl has went to shit!

Don't wait, do it. I have them on my 250, 271 and 462. They are a must have. The difference in leverage and control is great.

@@whatsapoop I should have made it more clear, I have the wcs dog on my 250 and the dogs and barkbox on my 661. He needs to add those to the 400.

@@davidash7536 Got ya. Obviously I totally misunderstood your post. You gotta love some WCS dogs. Thanks for the clarification.

@@whatsapoop yes, their 3pt dogs are so amazing. I wish they offered an outer dog for the 250, the dual dog just helps out on keeping it stable.

I agree

Unfortunately the 4920 is on the way. It will have a smaller bore and longer stroke. The owners manual for the north american market has been out since August?? It is replacing the 4910 and seems to be a clamshell design. Most likely due to the increased price in magnesium for saws with an actual 2 piece case. For about 8 months last year I couldnt order any ECHO equipment that had Mag parts due to global supply shortages. CS-4010 is replacing the CS-400 which is well due for an update.

I'm really glad I got my 501p when I did!!

Haha! Yeah, the weeds get thick.

I believe so. I think they have an aluminum core. not sure though.

Well hot damn diggitty! Email me and I'll send you my address. Boedy@woodsmanessentials.com

@@novicelumberjack I've got it from that saw you sent my cousin. I'll try to get it in the mail tomorrow. Been on the OT I'll take a little time and send it.

Well... He was also trying to put 325 chain on an ms400 so.... It probably won't make sense. Lol

What is the pin count?

@@ericoverdorff8880 pin count on the drive sprocket. Usually it's a 7 pin.

Still really no point running a .325 on a 67cc saw they stretch real bad. I made up an 18” .325 bar and put a 9 pin on my 066 just for messing around. You wouldn’t want a 7 pin on a big saw anyway saw has too much power for the gearing and you loose chain speed on a .325 vs 3/8”

@@christopherlehman4045 The husqvarna H21 .325 .058 chain I'm running on my 560xp is not streching any more than usual. So a 67cc saw would be fine with .325. And the chain speed is the same on 8 pin .325 and 7 pin 3/8.

Yes it’s probably close but you had to go up one pin you have a smaller less durable chain and cutter on a saw with plenty of power for 3/8” so doesn’t make s whole lot of sense to do it. I’m sure the cut times are almost identical between the 3/8 and .325 on your saw

Gotcha. So a tiny bit lighter. So far, I like mine. We'll see how they hold up.

@@novicelumberjack Can you send this cross-reference to me?

@OliverDiGeronimo21 don't have it anymore. Take a screen shot.

Streaches like mad on a powerful saw and has inconsistent tooth hardness on the ones I tried. Some teeth file like butter and other ones on same chain are so hard the file skates across the tooth without cutting. Only tried a couple tri link pro bars and chains to demo. The bar tip let go after a week of hard use

Yep! Same with powercare from home depot and craftsman from lowes. Been pleased with it in 3/8lp so far. Recently picked up 1 .325 loop and 1 3/8 loop to try out. Looks and feels extremely similar to holzfforma chain.

It should I didn’t get this one either

The last month or so, I've only been getting a little under half of my YT notifications🧐 having to check my subscriptions list a few times a day. So you're not alone!

Not made by Oregon, Stihl makes their own bars in Germany and the USA in the bar plant they opened in Virginia Beach awhile back.

@@christopherlehman4045 Yyyyyyyep!!

No there really isn’t a mapping in the fuel system. It just takes a 400 Stihl 8-10 tanks to fully seat the rings. Mtronic saws don’t have a break in map they just have a set map in the coil and it just tunes lean-rich many times a second to try to hold a certain rpm. And technically an mtronic saws is just a carb saw with a solenoid controlled jet. The coil, carb and flywheel are the main parts that are different between the standard carb and mtronic versions of Stihl saws. The 400 only comes mtronic.

My mistake, I shouldn't have said fuel mapping. I was hinting more towards a timing curve type of governing. Chris, do you know for certain that they do not have a limiting function, or are you just assuming, or passing along info as you heard it from someone else who may be assuming? I'm just trying to sort through the weeds. Fact or assumption. Do you KNOW there is no limiting control built in...or are you assuming? And if you know, where did you get the info? I'd love to get my hands on it.

I figured actual fuel mapping wasn’t happening. A fusable link on the coil like the echo dealer told me was on the 7310 could be a viable possibility. I must say thow it is strato or air over charge. With laziness built in to m tronic technologies is a bunch of EPA BS. There is one reason auto tune / m tronic would be worth having that would be if I’m giving saws to employees and not wanting them to touch anything. Other then that sthil and husky can shove it I don’t care how good they get at building them I was upset with husky for doing it now sthil can eat a big fat one also 🤣 sorry for my negativity towards that saw your trying to love so much boedy. Sometimes we try and justify our purchases in spectacular unreal ways. I truly hope it gets better for you man.

It’s not a smart system really just a set program mapped into the control that’s part of the coil. It reads rpm on the magnets and uses a solenoid on the zama carb to tune lean or rich to maintain a desirable rpm that’s it. It’s the rings taking time to seat in for the 6-10 tanks and that will vary on how hard you run it. Ran my 400 stock for one tank then i advanced the timing and opened the muffler up. The saw is designed to be an up to 14000 rpm saw and stihls largest saw designed to run that factory spec. Mtronic is not a super complex system and really no reason to be scared of it. Been out over 10 years

Mtronic or autotune does far better overall than you and your screwdriver can. Plus if you get an air leak it will save the saw a lot of times. Will still run like crap but it may keep the cylinder from cooking.

Hey my bar is perfectly.. adequate.

What u saying stick with the old bars ??? I'm curious to know, I thank you in advance Gunter

@@gunterbecker8528 I like the old bars. The new ones are lighter. Seems as though they would also get hotter quicker, causing them to stretch. I believe, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I bought the one with the old style chain and bar.

Nope. This bar here is 3/8 and it is light 04. 06 must just be the longer bars, and they only come in 3/8.

Just like all brands just how cheap you want to be when buying a saw. If you buy a pro mag case with separate cylinder saw from husky, echo or Stihl it’s a good saw. If you buy a 170-200$ saw it won’t take heavy use. Still know plenty of tree services that had Stihl then tried to save money by purchasing echo and they all ended back with Stihl and or husky.

Just like Husky, some good and some suck, really bad. Power equipment comes with its own level of dependability and durability, both traits come with a price tag. Always buy the best you can afford and you won't be sorry. If you shop by price you may not be able to afford the repair or replacement to get best.

I agree, that’s my point exactly. Each company makes homeowner saws, and pro saws.