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Why the Steins;Gate Movie is "Canon"

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Bassman

Bassman

Күн бұрын

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@kurniawanrian3701
@kurniawanrian3701 4 ай бұрын
The fact that the writer makes it so consistent across different media is mind blowing🤯🤯🤯.
@shoehunter3928
@shoehunter3928 4 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure the franchise has multiple authors
@erfanthered9801
@erfanthered9801 3 ай бұрын
​@shoehunter3928 they're all under one person tho.
@Arkifix
@Arkifix 4 ай бұрын
Now I hope no one will ask another time about it huh
@ABCWarrior
@ABCWarrior 4 ай бұрын
The Bossman is back!?!
@bassman.sharingan12341
@bassman.sharingan12341 4 ай бұрын
Yesssirrrr
@VolcanicPhoenix
@VolcanicPhoenix Ай бұрын
I came back after finishing A;C. What a fantastic explanation of that game's main system. You also answered my second question, which was about the Sena route in Chaos;Head NoAH. This series really just gets better the more i experience. Wow. Amazing video!
@TankMarion
@TankMarion 4 ай бұрын
I had to go back a couple seconds at 12:10 because I had to double take if I heard "As Maho puts it.." instead of "As the novel puts it..." mahophrenia
@bassman.sharingan12341
@bassman.sharingan12341 4 ай бұрын
😭
@TankMarion
@TankMarion 4 ай бұрын
@@bassman.sharingan12341 EVERYWHERE I GO I AM UNCONSCIOUSLY SEARCHING FOR HER
@SpringySpring04
@SpringySpring04 4 ай бұрын
Mahophrenia is a legendary word
@TankMarion
@TankMarion 4 ай бұрын
@@SpringySpring04 I am mahophrenic please send help
@browncoat007
@browncoat007 4 ай бұрын
Great video! I have always loved the movie so it didn't matter to me if it was considered canon or not, it always has been to me. But your explanation and vindication is absolutely on point and hopefully puts more respect on the movie's name so thank you!
@jeremiahgrayest
@jeremiahgrayest 3 ай бұрын
Really good vid. Had this in my 'watch later' playlist for a bit. I remember watching the movie about 2 years ago after finishing the VN
@bassman.sharingan12341
@bassman.sharingan12341 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Grayest!
@Abosoria
@Abosoria 2 ай бұрын
Yeah... this video is why I want to believe that steins;gate ended in chapter 23 with kurisu hinting that she remembers some things from the alpha world line and both okabe and her can be together even after changing world lines, kinda like the ova
@tzakman8697
@tzakman8697 4 ай бұрын
I am writting this before watching the whole video. The first time i watched S;G i did it the chronological way finishing it with the movie, and i had some idea that the movie was not exactly considered canon by people, BUT i loved it so much that i was like.... i dont care what people really think this is canon! lately i have seen that the community mostly says that the movie is canon and that made me really happy!
@anurag-ranjan
@anurag-ranjan 4 ай бұрын
Nice explanation
@Hulleek
@Hulleek Ай бұрын
Underrated analysis
@OrigiNope
@OrigiNope 4 ай бұрын
Excellent job Basedman 👍
@bassman.sharingan12341
@bassman.sharingan12341 4 ай бұрын
Thank youuuu!!!!
@joaocosta8983
@joaocosta8983 3 ай бұрын
Nice video tho What is the final segment song? It rocks
@bassman.sharingan12341
@bassman.sharingan12341 3 ай бұрын
If you're talking about the world layers section, then the background music is "The World Layers -First Theme-". If you're talking about the last 20 seconds or so, it's "End Theme". Both tracks are from Anonymous;Code - the former is its main OST.
@Rabe001
@Rabe001 3 ай бұрын
i was wondering why some people doesn't agree of it being canon, but in steins gate, when okabe Is trying to undo their d-mails, in the last one(if i remember it correctly) kurisu kissed okabe and i think the conversation went to a question if it was his first time then he answered it's not and in that movie kurisu time travelled to the past to save him and there she kissed him (now that i think about it okabe was minor that time) which means the first kiss is from kurisu, the movie and the series are connected. Can someone answer this If kurisu went back to the past and told him the story of hououin kyouma then where did it originally come from if im right they triggered bootstrap paradox right?
@kysfggt
@kysfggt 22 күн бұрын
It's the same as Mayuri's song from S;G 0. The loop begins when some time travel info gets to the past/future and remains as an established event, even after the cause of the time travel dissapears.
@albert_castillo1269
@albert_castillo1269 Ай бұрын
I have a question about the Steins;Gate movie. I haven't read Robotics;notes or chaos;head or any of these VNs yet, however, I have read in severals comments from this movie that according to Robotics;Notes, the Steins;Gate timeline is a special timeline that has never been explored before and therefore its future is being created day by day, so Suzuha couldn't have come from the future with a time machine because in the Steins;Gate timeline there was no such future yet. How could you explain this contradiction to me? Because if it's an unexplored timelane, it might be impossible to have a future, right?
@bassman.sharingan12341
@bassman.sharingan12341 Ай бұрын
That's not how it works. First off, Robotics;Notes does nothing to imply anything of that nature. It doesn't even concern itself with the concept of world lines or time travel. Besides being a story that takes place in 2019 on the Steins Gate world line, it has little to do with world line mechanics. Secondly, the idea that it creates the future "day by day" contradicts the very definition of a world line, especially when considering the wider series. A world line is a simulated possible world. And the Steins Gate world line works the same as any other world line. Everything on it - from the past to the future - is pre-determined. It's simply just a world line that lies between the alpha and beta attractor fields and does not fall under many of their convergences. Its future may be unknown to Okabe but to an observer on a higher world layer, it is known. The Steins Gate world line is functionally just the same as any other world line. Thirdly, we've seen as far into the future of the Steins Gate world line as 2038. In-story Earth simulators have also shown even further past that. The vast majority of SciADV takes place on the Steins Gate world line in some world layer anyways. And there's a crazy high number of Steins Gate world lines within the world layer structure to begin with.
@albert_castillo1269
@albert_castillo1269 Ай бұрын
@@bassman.sharingan12341 Thank you so much for explaining it to me :D. As I said i have not read any VN and that's what I saw in a few comments; for that I needed to contrast that information with you. I'll read and play everything to fully understand the SciADV universe. I have seen you in several Reddit's Posts and I have to say that you really help a lot of people with the research you have carried out and it is something to be grateful for. Greetings, dude :D
@VolcanicPhoenix
@VolcanicPhoenix 4 ай бұрын
Amazing video, your presentation is solid! Ima just send this every time I see the stupid debate, lmao
@bassman.sharingan12341
@bassman.sharingan12341 4 ай бұрын
Thank you!!!
@jimmyclaros7481
@jimmyclaros7481 4 ай бұрын
Neat. Interesting thoughts.
@JohnDoe-jw7cj
@JohnDoe-jw7cj Ай бұрын
Okay, can we UnLoad the movie now?
@Blurro
@Blurro Ай бұрын
Very cool and epic
@bassman.sharingan12341
@bassman.sharingan12341 Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@MirasR
@MirasR Ай бұрын
So much water...
@quplet
@quplet 4 ай бұрын
Basedman
@thefinal1754
@thefinal1754 Ай бұрын
Kind of an unsatisfying conclusion as to why something is canon. Stories that mess with time, simulation topics have this disease, well, i should've expected it lol. Nonetheless every side content in steins;gate is satisfying aslong as okabe and kurisu are there.
@daykeyy
@daykeyy 4 ай бұрын
nice video
@jimmyclaros7481
@jimmyclaros7481 4 ай бұрын
This is so Moe!
@kinn-cw8ib
@kinn-cw8ib 4 ай бұрын
If they made a poor job of directing characters, dialogues etc. because of bad staff choice. People mostly consider its not canon which is fair. Adding infinite simulations doesn't fix chaos head and chaos child anime adaptations or other poorly written steins gate mangas. Even if we only care about mechanics of the universe its still debatable, like different word layers, different canon? I don't even think every writer worked on sciadv is in the same page of this debate, so there is no point telling someone this is 100% canon or not. But I get your point about the movie. In the past, some thought it wasnt canon just because of plot holes, but now its more about the overall quality of the product, at least for me. And im not saying i don't like it so its not canon, its just not the characters we watched in the show. I personally think the movie is more canon to visual novel and not the anime version.
@Arkifix
@Arkifix 4 ай бұрын
You would definitely be surprised that it works lel
@shoehunter3928
@shoehunter3928 4 ай бұрын
But is the us movie cannon?
@revelosity4924
@revelosity4924 3 ай бұрын
Yes, it just takes place in the anime world layer. Everything is canon.
@shoehunter3928
@shoehunter3928 3 ай бұрын
@@revelosity4924 was a joke was a joke I swear
@The_Triple_Point
@The_Triple_Point 4 ай бұрын
I actually disagree. R is a worldline. The key distinction between the movie and the show is the character perspective. In SG we see the world through Okabe's eyes, who has reading steiner. But in the movie, we see through Kurisu's eyes, who doesnt have reading steiner. So when the worldline changes, it appears as if Okabe goes away but in reality we're not seeing the worldline shift because Kurisu doesnt have reading steiner.
@The_Triple_Point
@The_Triple_Point 4 ай бұрын
So essentially R is a worldline without Okabe and SG is one with him. So having it shift from R to SG the observer can't tell the worldline shifts at all because the only difference between R and SG is Okabe.
@The_Triple_Point
@The_Triple_Point 4 ай бұрын
this is also supported by how at the end of the movie, Okabe experiences the same thing he did in Ep 1, where the streets are empty and then fill with people. the worldline changes because Kurisu changes the past so in the last moments we switch back to Okabe's perspective and see the worldline changing
@bassman.sharingan12341
@bassman.sharingan12341 4 ай бұрын
@@The_Triple_Point First off, pages 281-282 of volume 2 of the movie's novelization explicitly state the R world line isn't actually a world line. And A Posteriori Existence further clarifies this, with Kurisu describing how Okabe's disappearance isn't because he moved to a different world line, but rather because of something else entirely that she's too stumped to figure out. The "R World Line" is just her tentative hypothesis. With the context of the rest of SciADV (particularly Chaos;Head NoAH, Occultic;Nine, and Anonymous;Code) and even other Steins;Gate side material like Variant Space Octet (and Linear Bounded Phenogram which I didn't bring up in the video), you understand that what Kurisu calls the "R World Line" is actually a completely different but extremely important series-wide phenomenon. Secondly, while Kurisu is largely the protagonist, the movie's novelization isn't exclusively told through any one character's perspective the way the original Steins;Gate VN is. The "R world line" section is actually told in third person omniscient POV. In fact, even the Steins;Gate anime adaptation abandons the "solitary observer" viewpoint so there are many scenes not from Okabe's POV in it. For the sub-series as a whole, there's a couple lines from Variant Space Octet that hint as to who the true observer of Steins;Gate actually is. Indeed, whose eyes are those eyes? Thirdly, people don't suddenly fill up the streets when Okabe's Reading Steiner activates at the beginning of the VN. He just sees an empty Akihabara because there's literally nobody there (besides Mayuri who's walking a bit behind Okabe) since police closed the area around the Radio Kaikan building off due to the time machine crashing. And fourthly, everybody has Reading Steiner - Kurisu included. In fact, even Amadeus Kurisu has Reading Steiner for reasons *extremely* obvious after Anonymous;Code. There's just a difference in the strength of peoples' Reading Steiners. And it's precisely because Okabe's Reading Steiner is so strong that he crosses the paradox threshold and gets forced out of existence.
@Arkifix
@Arkifix 4 ай бұрын
@@The_Triple_Point • First point: As Bassman said for what I TLed from the novelization of the movie, it’s explicitly stated that the R World Line is a world line **only in name**. • Second point: you’re saying that the R World Line is the one without Okabe, and the SGWL the one with him, but even if we state that the R World Line is a world line, you’re wrong since it’s the contrary (but I thing you meant the contrary). • Third point: in the ending scene of the movie, we’re barely following Okabe’s view of the world (but from a 3rd person view), which then gradually changes to what the world actually is. • Last point: idk how it was translated in the official subs of the movie in English but, in japanese Kurisu says "I didn’t come to you. You’re the one who’s trying to come back! From this **world**, to the Steins Gate world line." • Very last point: what Bassman said.
@The_Triple_Point
@The_Triple_Point 4 ай бұрын
@@bassman.sharingan12341 Interesting points. I really appreciate your responses.
@Hulleek
@Hulleek Ай бұрын
Underrated analysis
@Hulleek
@Hulleek Ай бұрын
Underrated analysis
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