Bought vaporfly, got home from work 5 minutes early, discovered neighbour with wife, now divorced, thanks nike!

I’m so tired of seeing people cut shoes I can’t afford in half.

Bruh his heart rate is lower when he’s running in the vaporfly because it’s the first rep.

the problem is when there are only a number of athletes that get "super tech gear" like in Rio 2016, when Kipchoge and 2-3 other runners were running prototypes that other Nike sponsored athletes could not use. as long as a shoe (or other tech) is only for a few people and not for the public to buy I think its OK to ban, but to ban because other brands cant keep up is just wierd.

I don’t think running shoe manufacturers should be punished for making something that is great. Likewise athletes should not be punished for wanting to utilise something that is great. Now that Nike have set the bar so high it is up to their competitors to make a shoe that is on par with or better than the Vaporfly. It would be counter productive to force manufacturers and athletes to make and use an inferior product. Better to buff than nerf!

I would love to see all these nay sayers run Kipchoge’s pace for a marathon. Shoes don’t build the aerobic engine, training does.

This is not the first time shoe tech takes a great leap and drove an arms race between shoe makers. There wasn't any ban the last few times it happened, so why ban it now. World Athletics should really look at promoting the sports more than addressing 'shoe politics'...

I just kinda think it's a bit sad that they seem to have a lot of "normal" runners convinced that they need Carbon plate shoes to run fast, I've got the hoka Carbon x and it's super fast and fun but I'm quite aware and conscious of the fact that it's a luxury rather than a need, i comfortably ran my fastest half marathon in Cliftons and had a great time doing it. Also with every major brands seemingly introducing Carbon plate shoes in 2020 doesn't it level the playing field anyway?

These shoes are very hard no ignore. I am becoming alot faster through my 5K to Half Marathons while my heart rate is slightly down. And my recovery is amazing as my legs dont feel like jelly afterwards. The hype is real and Nike is on top of the game. And everybody is catching up yet again.

Saw somebody with this shoe on in a local 5k trail race. Didn’t even place lol

Sports gear company -"We make gear to improve performance" The world - "cool" Nike - "Vaporfly is proven to improve performance " The world - "THAT'S CHEATING. YOU SHOULD BE BANNED "

The innovation in running shoes is just like the innovation in equipment in any other sport... it's just my opinion though. Would I spend $250+ on a pair of running shoes? No way! I'm not a professional and I'm not winning any races. I run because I enjoy it.

Those milliseconds of less ground contact time make a HUGE difference when you run a 110,637 steps long race.

I not convinced banning tech is right Are we still using wooden tennis rackets? Cyclists cycle the most high tech bikes F1 drivers race the most high tech cars So why shouldn't runners run in the most high tech shoes?

His movements on the treadmill reminded me to Ryan Hall's....great video!!! That was ALWAYS the purpose of any shoe to INFLUENCE performance, FINALLY we got there!!! I've got a pair!!!

Dont mind the extra boost in performance with new technology. But i do mind having to spend $250 just to get on par with others on race day

What I was wondering When training with shoes like the next% does it not have a greater training effect on your muscles like the flats?

6:17 that’s one of the best instrumentals I’ve heard 🔥🔥

Don’t use gloves when running power tools it’s a quick way to loose a finger or hand.

Just like tennis from wooden, to metal, to graphite and to titanium racquets, the speed and power of each generation of players increase with the racquets technological advancement. A little bit of spring action in shoes I think is OK

Okay but what was his recovery time? Would that affect his bpm on succeeding trials? I feel you would need several runs, mixing up the order.

when they talk about the midsole length or should you also talk about the hoka? i know top comment talked about it but what about without it is a maximal shoe after all

Best shoes ever. My wallet: Cool story bro

I've had more than enough years of experience with many shoe brands to know that if any shoe dosn't come in at least a 2E width fitting then forget about it...my feet look very average in width but I need 2E for complete comfort.

but how will this shoe work for a slow runner and will there be benefts for someone who is heelstriking. Will the angle of the plate "work against" you if you are heelstriking, or how does is work?

Is it like tires where you have track that suck in rain and turning and street for real life situations. Or is it good for parkour or something like that as well?

The plate probably acts as a spring with the foam to reduce muscle fatigue/use

I didn't buy the Next% because of the price and that it is primarily a racing shoe. But I did buy the Nike Zoom Fly 3 when it went on a clearance sale. It is a bit heavier than the Next% and maybe more of a training shoe. I only have a few runs in them, but there is no doubt there is a difference. I am approximately 15 seconds per mile faster with the same effort as I was in a a similar weighted training shoe on easy runs. I have mixed feelings about the legality of the shoes. The carbon fiber plate does provide more energy return than the EVA foam sole. However, as others have said, we still have to do the work and be in shape. I'm not sure where the line should be drawn. It is fun to go faster than I have in a few years as an older runner!

Thanks for the video, just thought you might want to know the music seems off balance here it’s just as load if not louder than the people speaking making it really hard to focus on what you’re saying.

Sir how to relief in spin split pain

does anyone know what kind of socks those are?

I love the vaporfly. I really like what it has done for the sport of long distance running and I am so happy that it wasn’t banned. As I see it, it is a shoe that can allow you to run the best that your body is capable of, not one that provides an unfair advantage against competitors.

If they want it to be fair just make every go barefoot lol

QUESTION(s) QUESTION(s): 1) MARATHON SHOES vs TRAINING SHOES im going into a military training program. they say we will run 16 miles a week for 5 months. i keep seeing on nike website that yes these X% shoes are good for running, but they are for "marathons", while the website lists similar shoes (w/ carbon plate) for "everyday training purposes". my question is: is there some disadvantage to getting the "marathon" shoe for someone in my situation. is there some kind of stress-factor that im not accounting for that the "everyday training shoe" will better avoid. 2) CURVED TOE AREA why are the 2020 X%s and some others sort of curved in the toe area. i've never had shoes like that, and am unsure if the transition to curved-toe shoes from a lifetime of pretty bland basic oval-shaped soled shoes will put me at a disadvantage during my 5 months of daily competition About Me: - i do sprints 3x a week - Saturdays i do 7-12 miles depending on location - i've been called a "heel striker" because i tore my lower back a decade ago and also have naturally weak/small glutes - 5'10. 180lbs. - at training i will be doing about 3 miles a day on mixed surfaces (road, track, grass).

Man, I love the idea of the 4% & the Next %. For me, I see it as the track spike for marathon runners. For most average runners like myself, shoes have always been, pick what you like and use that. Now we have a specific marathon shoe that is good for everyone.

I think a push for greater tech in shoes should happen. Improvement in training, shoe tech, methods, and everything only advances when there is competition to do so.

0:25 that one dude wearing hoka shoes.

This analysis just confirmed what I thought: the carbon plate is a factor just because of the midsole foam. Nike nailed racing shoes with ZoomX

Pls give review of kiprun kd plus

The Nike Vaporfly Next% are just so well built that everytime i watch a video about them it looks like an advertisement! gg Nike.

Can I get one vapourfly for running.Plzzz

As far as the shoe dopng concern, it seems like the springy plate in the shoe is pushing that line. But then again, how is that any worse than using spikes on a track? Which we've been doing for decades now.

What’s the name of those new balances at 8:20

how about alphafly from Nike?

These shoes are getting bigger and bigger. I foresee a type of future space/moonboot that completely hugs the the foot and the calves and maybe even above the knee. They're going to support, enhance and and provide whatever else I can't think of to help the runner go faster and stronger with less injury.

I am personally okay with the advantages shoes bring. One could arguably say that shoes five years ago are light years ahead of shoes from twenty years ago, do you go back and reevaluate those records too? Where would the line be drawn. There will always be those that have access to better coaching and nutrition etc, that is an an advantage that pros and elites have over most people that are training on the side with a full time job. I say those pros and elites most likely earned their way to those positions and deserve the rewards that come with it. Generally speaking, those shoes are more readily available to most people than the other things I just mentioned also. It’s not like there are external power sources in play. It still requires personal effort and dedication. Let them push the bounds of what can be done in the most self propelled efficient manner possible.

What is the longevity of this shoe I wish you would have mentioned that in your video. How many miles are you expected to get out of one of these pairs. For me the technology of the shoe. that's a double-edged sword. I kind of feel sad for all of the runners that have set records in the past on regular shoes. And now we have shoes that will change the record book. Not necessarily the runner. I would love to get a faster time when I'm running. But is it me or is it the shoe. I'm not sure they didn't address about injuries would you be more likely to get injured with these or less likely. If it is less injuries I'm all for that.

Basically is sprint spikes for Running. The full length stiff plate.

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When they started cutting the shoe, i almost passed out.... I was like NOOOOOO...!!!

8:14 Brooks Hyperion Elite 😉

Golf: From wooden shafts and heads and leather balls to carbon fibre and titanium clubs and billion $ ball R&D Skiing: Same thing Hockey skates and sticks, pole vault, tartan track, running spikes, bicycle tech and aero, astroturf, etc etc. The perfect example was the Speedo controversy: Speedo didn't break any rules but they developed tech that nobody saw coming, so the regulations had to adapt to keep the sport fair. In my opinion, World Athletics has handled this perfectly (apart from taking so bloody long to address it). Until now there was no need for quantitative restrictions on stack height, plate tech etc, because nobody had actually succeeded in making shoes faster through huge midsoles and plates. I think the biggest leveller is that shoes have to be available to the public for 4 months before they can be used in competition. And having said all that, training, nutrition, pacing strategies, biokinetics and a host of other factors are all individually far more impactful than shoe tech.

I think that older shoes sacrificed cushioning for a lighter race shoe but as technology is advancing, cushioning is returning.

8:12 New Balance Fuelcell Racer 😉

---running on fibre track is fun. as there is already fibre there. shoes hardly matter. any good shoes will do. ---running on mud tracks --natural -- is super fun as long as you do not have too much pebbles. ---running cross country on natural terrain is also fantastic but you need flexible but rugged shoes. ---all of the above have no cushion issues. but shoes have to be sturdy at the bottom with medium rigidity. Now HUGE PROBLEM: running on road! -- i have no idea if there are any shoes out there with serious cushioning in-front and still be flexible. Even vaporfly is doubtful. need 30 cm thick( if you are above 35) and 25mm is fine if you are a young runner! --Road and concrete: you have to solve the issues as the pounding is as real as it gets in the front foot area. normally they have plenty of cushioning and pulp at the heels! BUT --when you land the toe, you need to feel the cushion. Otherwise the pain will directly transfer to the knees. ----now west folks suffer more with ANKLE ISSUES. hence they add more cushion on the heels. ankle issue is less of a problem in other parts of the world-non west. as i said they have more problem in the front of the foot! because in developed countries they use heels more as roads and pedestrian are well developed. In developing countries where you have everything a mess on road and pavements, you tend to walk with toes first( to reduce surface area to minimize damage, and you are always cagey). so different folks have different issues depending on age,gender, geography,running style, foot type, style of run and nature of run. so road and concrete are the tough parts. but their advantage is that due to smooth nature the track is covered fast! Jesus, i gave everything away. may be nike should hire me!

After watching the video I still miss the answer to the question in the title.

Background music is too high.

I'm here wearing the same shoes I've been wearing for 2 years.

Interesting. The shoes seem to me make the leg a lot fresher because you maximize the stride and the feel when you contact the ground. So I don't think it's cheating as long as everyone has the same access to the shoe. At the end of the day, the athlete has to have the speed and the fitness to go faster. The shoe is just there to help keep their leg muscle fresher for a longer period of time. It's no different that wearing a skin suit in cycling or swimming. Just because you wear that shoe that doesn't mean everyone will break WR.

Excited AF

When he shows the vaporflies cadence in the treadmill he slows it down, doesn't not fare And Ir isn't a good comparison

Running on the treadmill is nothing like actual running on road.

The shoes he threw behind the chair are the new Brooks and New Balance shoes with carbon fiber plates 8:15

This is more the effect of you doing the nike test first rather than the effect of the show itself

I don’t have a problem with making shoes high tech and better. The problem is when the prices of these shoes are not affordable for most people and only the rich. Over $200 for shoes is too expensive, maybe some knock off competition might help lower the price some.

It’s called innovative. Every new marathon shoe tries to be better than the last.

these tests cannot be analyzed as evidence of any particular benefits. since the duration is 5 minutes, it is not even close to the shortest race, for example 5 km (about 15 minutes), and even more so for the analysis of a half marathon or marathon (about 1 hour and about 2 hours)

The physiological tests and performance measures are flawed on many levels : confirmation bias, one measure per participant (1 rep per shoe), measures in only one participant, not randomising the order of the shoe reps, experimenter not blind to the condition nor during the experiment nor during the data analysis. Not much can be concluded from such tests...Would like to see how the actual tests were done with this shoe, I hope the real experiment was properly conducted, although if it was Nike proving that their shoe is the best, I can already sense some marketing based confirmation bias playing an important role in the effects observed... This is not to say that there are no difference between the shoes, but that there are critical flaws in the experimental science trying to measure such differences.

It’s impossible to deny that these shoes give you an advantage, but in a few years time every major brand will have their own version of this shoe that will once again level the playing field.

Yes very what about people like me who cant even afford them and prefece centurus without this teck

People or to be specific, companies are too worried of the advancements.

I need running shoes but money problem 😞😔

The carbon fiber plate is a spring. The spring absorbs energy as the foot rolls forward and releases the energy at toe off. Thus, the mechanical doping phrase. Nike has a pending patent applications for this “spring plate”. It is innovation, like fiberglass vaulting poles. All the records were broken, but everyone understood why. Aluminum baseball bats can hit further, but MLB doesn’t allow them. (There is a safety issue there too). Swimming banned high tech suits. Car racing restricts some technologies. All sports have equipment restrictions. I say no to the spring shoes regardless of who makes them.

i mean the real question here is whether or not that carbon fiber plate is producing any spring. Cause if it does you could categorically call it cheating, regardless of whether it's been cleared or not

Hey, I like your videos, but, just as an advice, could please low down the background music, it is very hateful for listen the undergoing conversation.

One question ppl never can answer: when is it too much? How about in 2 yrs, theres a VF15% that cost 700$. How would that be fair in any way? How would a 15 yr old runner be able to afford and compete? Or a 22 yr old student? When do you draw the line of performance enhancement? Nobody have given me a satisfactory answer yet.

As long as the show is widely available I don't think it's unfair. The point of shoes is to provide a technological advantage, which is why you don't see many people reaching barefoot.

Everyone is acting like it was absurd to have a discussion. There has to be a discussion with these things so that there is some sort of precedent. Tech is getting better and better, so we'll be having these discussions more and more.

I wonder if this shoe is also highly beneficial for walking long distances in. For speed and comfort/reduced fatigue?

Nick Symonds also did this

The question is: Are they competing against each other or against history? A lot of sports have gone through this issue. Most have decided history.

How does a shoe become fast?

"Shoe doping" 😆😆😆

Why ppl are neglecting the fact that. Its about the person running . With the stamina and lungs he or she is putting into for marathon.

Innovation is important, it could make life easier.

Interesting 🤔

Nike has Vaporfly, what are the other manufactures responses in this "cold shoe war"

With or without the shoes he was going to break the record. He worked hard for it without the shoes

Simply the advancement of technology, equal opportunity based on your ability to pay.

If everybody use them why are they banned?

shoe: if i'm so fucking special to you you won't saw me in half

There should be no limit on innovation

Doping is anything enhances performances AND harms people's health at the same time: these shoes do improve both performances and health of athletes (less strain, less heart stress). Ad meiora semper!

running should not be about kit or tech. make it simpler!

Pb approx 19.30 5k 1.27 HM, 3.34 marathon. I think vaporfly is worth 90 seconds on 5 km, 5 mins half, 10 mins full against an asics gt2000. Incredible how much better the shoe is for every ability. In fact I think it makes more difference the worse you are

I need running shoes 😔😔😔😔

DAAAAAAAANNNN!!!

Carbon fibre is stiffer and stronger than most materials!

Seriously! It was available for everyone to buy.

best thing that could happen to Nike... so much publicity.... if they Bann a shoe... you bet your ass I am running to the store to get it...