All instruments have infinitely high skill ceilings, but all have different skill floors. Piano is one of the easiest instruments to play, yet has some of the most challenging pieces composed for it.
@Bloorgusgoorge Жыл бұрын
Not at all lmao piano is one of the harder instruments for beginners to grasp especially considering for instruments like guitar, bass you have readable tablature when with piano you have to actually learn how to read sheet music not to mention the fact on other instruments you don’t really have to learn syncopation between both hands but on piano it’s a huge part, I’d argue it’s in the realm of hardest instruments to start on
@thebenevolentsun6575 Жыл бұрын
@@Bloorgusgoorge I'm talking about the skill floor.Its the easiest to play a note on.For example, it's easier to play Mary had a little lamb on piano than it is on guitar. It's easier to play a C major chord on piano than on guitar. There's a reason keyboard is usually the first instrument you learn to play in music class. Another example, most people would struggle to play even a single note on a flute, whereas literally everyone can play a note on the piano. I'm not saying the piano is easy, I'm a piano player and I know how difficult it is.
@Ren-lx8wv Жыл бұрын
@@Bloorgusgoorge bruh I learned to play. Kamado Tanjirou no Uta in one day without ever touching a piano before. It’s pretty damn easy to start out.
@Tortualex Жыл бұрын
@@Bloorgusgoorge music theory has nothing to do with making an instrument sound. Also there aré piano tablatures you know?xD
@joebidet3606 Жыл бұрын
@@Ren-lx8wvyou didn’t learn how to play the piano, you learned how to repeat a song on it. You dont learn proper technique, develop rhythmic skills, or learn anything behind what you are playing. It’s monkey see monkey do. Not to take away from learning your song because music is beautiful and fulfilling, but playing songs and actually learning an instrument are completely different things
@colelikeinminecraft Жыл бұрын
i don’t understand why people try to compare instruments like they are equal, they do different things and have different possibilities, thats the beauty of it all
@joosepkaha1687 Жыл бұрын
Mhm
@helmetbro1685 Жыл бұрын
right? obviously violin is one of the hardest instruments and they be like "wEll iF yOu saY s0, yoU aRe dIsREspEcT tO pIan0 aNd gUiTar..." that's sound so fcking stupid
@sixpounderbo406 Жыл бұрын
you know how to make the guitar sound good? -Proceeds to pick a note badly
@yamomsballs Жыл бұрын
Right lmfao
@yeetusmccheesey Жыл бұрын
Exactly 😂
@IMajst3RI Жыл бұрын
Yes, even picking a single note takes months to practice. Learning proper two handed muting takes years.
@lilbitlifted Жыл бұрын
That honestly hurt to watch.
@naegleriafowleri223010 ай бұрын
he sucks at both lmao mofo should take the harmonica instead
@conordreiss1467 Жыл бұрын
If you ever felt useless just remember that this video exist of a guy watching the same thing we’re watching and adding NO commentary
@eeeeee8762 Жыл бұрын
The difference between me and him is he gets 2.4k subs for it which has the potential to kickstart a career if used correctly meanwhile I’m useless all day long and don’t get anything from it
@BxJct0 Жыл бұрын
the commentary is the text above him and he is demonstrating how to do it right
@Willy_Warmer Жыл бұрын
There commentary in text above him you idiot
@user-cv3dr4kt7j Жыл бұрын
ironically imagine being the one complaining about it, who do you think is more useless?
@doeverything2707 Жыл бұрын
@@eeeeee8762 take a deep look on the mirror lol
@halcyon7111 Жыл бұрын
This guy is going to lose his mind when he finds out about fretless guitars
@Traumglanz Жыл бұрын
Oh Violin frets :D
@TallicaMan1986 Жыл бұрын
Fretless micro tonal 7 string.
@yeetusmccheesey Жыл бұрын
@@TallicaMan1986exactly lmao wait until he finds out what slide guitar is
@-.a Жыл бұрын
Still easier than violin due to the strings being longer.
@beckhamrajkumar2093 Жыл бұрын
@@-.a no instrument in easier or harder It depends on how you play Just like you, can't play either of them decently
@PjRorke98 Жыл бұрын
The dude just really dismissed the entirety of picking technique.
@rayres1074 Жыл бұрын
Picking can be hard sure but no way harder than violin bowing. Also the very concept of playing a micro fretless neck is haunting for me That being said noise cancelation is a very tough skill as well
@themaskedmusician4846 Жыл бұрын
I’ve played both and I think guitar is harder
@EliPorterMahn Жыл бұрын
@@rayres1074 youre forgetting about the multitude of picking techniques on the guitar especially if you play metal
@Tylerb1324 Жыл бұрын
If you can play guitar you can play violin. That's what my music teacher told me. It's basically the same just with a bow. I've played guitar for 16 years now and picked up the violin and was playing simple songs in a week.
@haye101 Жыл бұрын
@@themaskedmusician4846 playing both and playing both good is not the same😂
@bodhistieber1340 Жыл бұрын
The initial skill curve of violin is harder, although getting to a professional level on both is about the same difficulty
@oobruv6598 Жыл бұрын
definitely not the same my dude
@eelamite Жыл бұрын
W take
@eelamite Жыл бұрын
anyone who disagrees hasnt played either. for eg you never see jazz musicians having arguments like this, just saying from experience lol
@Proud_Troll Жыл бұрын
Sussy baka, do you even know who Paganini was? Stfu
@chasseblanc Жыл бұрын
@@eelamite absolutely wrong. actually think before commenting next time
@redrhododendron1023 Жыл бұрын
I’ve tried to learn both the guitar and violin, and playing the violin felt more natural to me. The guitar having two more strings made it more confusing to start off with, not to mention the tablature. I also thought the guitar’s strings were more painful to press However, the violin does have challenges too. Tuning the guitar was easy, but tuning the violin (with pegs) gives me anxiety! The bottom of the violin also gives me a “hickey” after I practice for extended periods of time. Bow alignment, tone quality, vibrato, staccatos, and intonation are also a pain in the ass. I haven’t learned it yet, but I’m certain left-hand pizzicato will be very difficult too Overall, I think both instruments would be very difficult to master, but the violin is more difficult to start. Posture, bowing, and intonation are very difficult when starting out, especially if the beginner doesn’t know if they are playing in tune Personally, I love classical music and prefer the violin, but I think the violin and guitar both shine in their own repertoires!
@thedankknight8333 Жыл бұрын
Why does it matter if one is more difficult. Shouldn’t it be a burden (not talking to you specifically)
@redrhododendron1023 Жыл бұрын
@@thedankknight8333 It’s good information for those considering learning! A beginner might not want to learn the guitar if they find out pressing the strings is painful (many don’t know before starting) Also, some instrument players (professionals and hobbyists) like comparing the difficulty of their instruments to make fun of other musicians (jokingly of course). It’s like how violinists sometimes make fun of violists for having easy parts
@joebidet3606 Жыл бұрын
@@redrhododendron1023is it true that violists are looked down upon by violinists and cello players
@redrhododendron1023 Жыл бұрын
@@joebidet3606 I wouldn’t say “looked down upon” (maybe in the past), but violas are kind of the laughing stock of the string family (in a joking way). Their parts are usually easier to play, too, which may lead to the idea that violists are less skilled than violinists. I’ve definitely heard my fair share of viola jokes online and from musicians and students, and I don’t know anyone who doesn’t enjoy a good viola joke. Here’s one for you! (I heard it from a violist) What’s the similarity between a violist and a lawsuit? Everyone is happier when the case is closed
@dosterix6034 Жыл бұрын
@@thedankknight8333 that's literally the topic of the video
@derrickkorstick8984 Жыл бұрын
Violin is harder to pick up for a beginner, but they're both equally hard to master
@michaelwojcik2597 Жыл бұрын
Wrong
@derrickkorstick8984 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelwojcik2597 care to explain how so? 🤣
@paulgordon1595 Жыл бұрын
@@derrickkorstick8984 Nope, because he can’t 😂. They ALWAYS compare camp-fire strumming or easy rock guitar to classical virtuosic violin compositions…and somehow think it’s apples to apples. They can’t even name truly difficult guitar pieces, their perceptions are warped. Guitar might possibly have the highest skill ceiling of any instrument, though the skill floor is obviously easier than violin.
@naegleriafowleri223010 ай бұрын
@@paulgordon1595 cause mods violinist are fucking nerds who dont know shit about guitar lmao
@celestialrift Жыл бұрын
I can play both. Once you memorise the note positions on violin, it's really not hard. The number of techniques on the violin compared to the guitar makes the guitar more difficult in the long run imo. Frets don't make things much easier when your instrument is as versatile as the guitar.
@tinyisnotugly9146 Жыл бұрын
Lol if memorizing note position on the violin was the only thing making not that hard then everyone would be a pro. Intonation is already hard enough with the Bowing
@stackhom656 Жыл бұрын
It's kind of misleading when he says we have tons of space to fret a note when in reality we need to be accurate with our fretting hand as well. If you move further away from the fret you will either buzz the note or have to increase the force for pressing on the strings. High level guitar playing will make more use of the space in between frets especially with chords with big stretches.
@celestialrift Жыл бұрын
@@tinyisnotugly9146 I mentioned only note positions because his argument was that guitar is easier because of the frets. There's intricacies to both instruments. I still hold however that a true master of the guitar has to account for more techniques and subtleties than a true master of the violin.
@tinyisnotugly9146 Жыл бұрын
@@celestialrift I dont know about more techniques than violin at a proficient level but we can agree to disagree.
@-.a Жыл бұрын
Lmao you definitely don't play violin
@fallsunset5862 Жыл бұрын
What I've learned from playing multiple Instruments is that even though an instrument maybe easier to play it will be harder to master
@Airlo-rk8wj Жыл бұрын
Both of these are hard as hell to master though
@fallsunset5862 Жыл бұрын
@@Airlo-rk8wj not really because when you play something easy to play people always want the next level of skill. And when playing something hard to play everyone reaches a boundary they can't cross, usually around the same skill level. So no one's really regarded as a master.
@coolguy4709 Жыл бұрын
@@fallsunset5862 Define “master”.
@toast3990 Жыл бұрын
@@coolguy4709 Having complete knowledge and control
@PescaColorata Жыл бұрын
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@SoggyBacco Жыл бұрын
as someone who played violin for 7 years before guitar it depends a lot on what you're playing. for example playing fast without legato or even just basic arpeggios took a very long time for me to get comfortable doing on guitar and the scale length allows for the same note to be in multiple places all over the fretboard. it is an easier instrument to pick up but the versatility gives it a much higher skill ceiling
@musicalbrit3465 Жыл бұрын
I'd caution saying it has a "higher" skill ceiling than violin given the utter insanity of most violin repertoire, the same if not higher level of versatility, and composers consistently pushing the boundaries of what is considered possible on the instrument. Pretty much every instrument has an infinitely high skill ceiling- there is ALWAYS more to learn and room to improve!
@Jaruq Жыл бұрын
Man’s A string is sharper than Einstein
@cthulhuman6162 Жыл бұрын
Conclusion: playing guitar poorly is easier than playing violin
@paulgordon1595 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@untitledshoe6069 Жыл бұрын
As a guitarist and a violist (basically a slightly bigger violin) they play completely differently and both have their difficulties. Some things are easy on one and some things are hard but one isn’t necessarily easier or better, just different.
@marcgimenez9729 Жыл бұрын
Slightly bigger and slightly out of tune
@imagiFantasy Жыл бұрын
@@marcgimenez9729 viola jokes, viola jokes! Violas are a also important to the string family, to the orchestra, just like any other instruments!
@nathanchishi7245 Жыл бұрын
Viola
@reesej319 Жыл бұрын
So, some rebuttals: 1) You cannot play anywhere inside the fret, it will go a micro tons flat if you go further back, and you will end up with fret buzz. 1a) on violin, you cannot press too hard on the string since it will always be the same note, but if you press the string too hard on guitar, you will go sharp. 2) the spaces in between allow you to raise/lower your pick/finger between notes, a micro motion that you do not have to do on violin, it actually will hinder the speed at which you can play. 3) there is absolutely a correct pressure that you have to apply to the strings using a pick/finger. if you pick too hard, it sounds rough, too soft and you will barely play the note. there are some examples as to why beginning to learn the violin is more difficult than begging to learn the guitar, but you missed on all the points you gave.
@naegleriafowleri223010 ай бұрын
he sucks at both thats why lmao
@chemsomnia Жыл бұрын
I played violin as a kid and learning guitar is so much harder for me
@clone501 Жыл бұрын
The reason my school does not have electric guitar in our band as an instrument option is because it is a very difficult instrument and most middle schoolers would not be able to learn it quickly, plus the first 6 months you get a crap ton of blisters. Guitar is arguably the one of the hardest instruments to play. I mean playing little riffs and one sting stuff is pretty easy, but once you start shredding it’s a whole other story, not to mention all the different techniques like alternate picking, hybrid picking, thumping, arpeggios, sweep picking, tapping, tapping natural harmonics, hammer ons, pull offs and many more extremely difficult techniques
@felgon4950 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, all the people saying guitar is easy have spent their time strumming chords and one string rhythms. In reality to be able to say how hard the guitar is, you must experience the top level of shredding
@YacheezReal Жыл бұрын
when I started playing guitar I just played through the pain of my fingers and now the blisters have built up so much that I can barely feel my finger tips
@corybrown4648 Жыл бұрын
If you want to experience top level shredding, watch Hilary Hahn play Paganini.....
@clone501 Жыл бұрын
@@YacheezReal same lol
@vincentb5431 Жыл бұрын
I'm a guitarist but I'd also say violin is harder.
@woodlock7494 Жыл бұрын
guitar might be easier at first but its skill ceiling is way higher 💀
@redrhododendron1023 Жыл бұрын
The violin arrangement of super difficult pieces like Der Erlkönig might make you change your mind
@conner7875 Жыл бұрын
@redrhododendron Yep, I tried learning the violin and still can't play ode to joy in tune for about 2 years, then I kinda changed into percussion
@paulgordon1595 Жыл бұрын
@@redrhododendron1023 A truly difficult piece, indeed. May I ask what you consider a difficult piece on the guitar? I would like to see if you’re capable of making equal comparisons.
@user-jg3mw8nl5f3 ай бұрын
Nah just search for Marcin Patrzalek and we're done
@speed79442 ай бұрын
tbh, at the highest level they are just different, with both being equally hard. It's like trying to compare an basketball player and a soccer player.
@k_slyons7346 Жыл бұрын
Violin is harder to pick up and learn. But once you’ve gotten past a year or two of learning they both have insane skill ceilings that are incomparable to each other
@senerio2124 Жыл бұрын
I would say guitar easily has the highest skill ceiling still. There are so many extra skills that you can pick up like fingerstyle, drumming, etc. that turn the guitar into a true force to be reckoned with. Guitar masters never cease to amaze me with their compositions + arrangements
@twitchtherocket6192 Жыл бұрын
Guitar is beginner friendly but has a higher skill ceiling than violin. Everyone who plays multiple instruments knows that more technical abilities allow for higher skill ceilings.
@pr0d Жыл бұрын
As someone who plays both. The violin is the hardest to learn at first. But the guitar becomes a lot more complicated when you get past the basics. I think both instruments sound amazing and are worth learning
@nathanchishi7245 Жыл бұрын
No bro playing violin has never been easy at any point
@pr0d Жыл бұрын
@@nathanchishi7245 never said it was easy
@Elias-qj7dq Жыл бұрын
Yeah we aint mentioning guitar techniques like alternate picking, hybrid picking, thumping, arpeggios, sweep picking, tapping, tapping natural harmonics, hammer ons, pull offs and many more difficult ass techniques
@bonbonbillyboo2649 Жыл бұрын
Violin also has its own set of techniques as well. Additionally, it also shares some of the techniques that you listed above; hybrid picking (its own version), arpeggios, hammer-ons and Pull-offs. In my opinion however as somebody who’s played both, the two are just too different in terms of playing to actually consider which one is "more difficult" because some things may be hard on the guitar than violin, vise versa.
@syndesys Жыл бұрын
The video only makes sense if we're talking about which one is harder to play chords on tbh
@n0tjake95 Жыл бұрын
@@bonbonbillyboo2649 yea and these techniques on violin take years to be able to play for each one. On guitar, it can take weeks of even just hours to learn things like pull offs and hybrid picking and right hand tap. Hardest on guitar such as sweep picking and pinch harmonica may only take a few months so yea violin is just objectively a harder instrument to play initially and master
@masterskywalker8877 Жыл бұрын
@SubLevelSeverty11 and all that?
@angrytedtalks Жыл бұрын
You are still missing the point that the violin is harder, less flexible perhaps, but very difficult to make it sound good. Davie504 vs TwoSet demonstrates this. Not one of those techniques is easier on a violin incidentally, but all still possible.
@directorzakkattakk Жыл бұрын
I agree it’s easy at the beginning but any instrument is as hard as you decide to make it.
@blehhblehhhh Жыл бұрын
as someone who played violin for four years and could barely even play ode to joy (i play guitar now) yeah, it’s way more difficult 💀
@2174863 Жыл бұрын
Violin is harder to start in but I feel guitar definitely has more challenging pieces you can play and advanced techniques like sweeping, tapping, and hybrid picking which some guitarists use all at once.
@datboi4216 Жыл бұрын
@@2174863 yeah. It’s also difficult to get the dexterity to do all of that in an actual song even after you learned to do the techniques
@stevenchen9852 Жыл бұрын
@@2174863 ?????? Guitar has more challenging pieces??????????? What?? Your challenging the violin on who has the hardest piece you know the hardest and most famous worldwide piece made by people like Paganini, liszt, Kreisler are all on the violin right. You can even transfer Mozart and Beethoven. Like do you know music theory at all. Argue with anyone teacher music professors and they would say the hardest pieces of music current exist in two instruments piano and violin. Not saying other instrument are easy but it’s just facts. Also I’m not biased because I played the guitar but transfer to violin and know differences now. Like hello la Campanella literally I took months to try to get how the angles work for the violin like you need to stroke at an specific angle just to make a sound…. Imagine playing caprice in D major or C major like it’s stupid hard
@2174863 Жыл бұрын
@@stevenchen9852 Yeah, but look at artists like Rafael Trujillo or some of Obscuras work their solos are insane. Bands like archspire, necrophagist, spawn of possession, beyond creation or even infant annihilator look at their solo on unholy gravebirth or crucifilth. May not be your style of music but these are very talented dudes who take guitar to the next level. The intricacy in their work hitting the strings in certain areas to affect tone. 180-200 bpm or more sweep picking, alternate picking runs etc. Tosin Abasi also has a very unique sound with his selective picking and thumping rhythms.
@stevenchen9852 Жыл бұрын
@@2174863 ok I said it already mastering any instrument is difficult in its own rights even people say mastering a triangle is hard. But I’m just saying violin is generally harder than an guitar I don’t know how to explain it because we can be comparing pieces for days I can get out like 100 of violin pieces that are really hard and you can probably too for the guitar but let just say this violin you have to find the notes guitar you don’t. And for the violin you need an certain stroking position in order to even make an sound and it has to be with precision if you don’t it will sound like you are scratching on a chalkboard, but for the guitar its pretty easy to make major key notes. Every instrument is hard to master but violin is just different idk how to explain it you have to play the violin to know I played the guitar for 4 years idk maybe google the violin or smth. I’m sry but I need to restate the argument there a reason why piano and violin can have an solo elite performance in front of many people on a completely empty stage and there’s a reason why these two are the instrument that rain supreme and change the music industry. Like who doesn’t know Beethoven or Mozart and if you have any contact with music you probably know fur elise, eine keline, alla turca
@justdoinmything Жыл бұрын
It's not harder or easier it's different. To tack on to that as a classical guitarist bring out note and using the correct voicing is INCREDIBLY difficult. The guitar does have a low skill level but also an INSANELY high skill ceiling. People often don't even know about the depth of it because they don't listen to classical music ( not that it's superior you're just going to get higher level of specific technical playing). The violin is very hard to a newcomer (I used to play back in grade school) it does get easier as you go though and it's theory is easy to comprehend that's why it's an excellent student instrument (not that it's not a great instrument altogether.
@SuperPinhead123 Жыл бұрын
I never once thought violin was easier than guitar
@jonahtillman9499 Жыл бұрын
I don’t even have enough energy to make my defence for the guitar. I’ll tell you, I’ve been playing for 51 years, and my grandpa for 84. There’s a reason we’ve stuck with it for so long
@MinusStatue11 Жыл бұрын
I've played and owned a violin for about 2 weeks now. And with the help of a phantom fret sticker, atleast 2 hrs+ of practice everyday, a little self taught and KZfaq on how to read sheet music and how to vibrato. It's been both fun and a workout playing, but already getting the grasp of things. I 100% recommend trying it out.
@TheMobplay Жыл бұрын
To be entirely fair classical guitar has the same (if not even higher) level of complexity since you directly control the tone with your hand(nails) giving you so much more colour and contrast and thanks to using your Fingers, youre able to play wayyy more polyphonic.
@goatedjayfn8052 Жыл бұрын
Damn, I feel bad, I’ve seen the strings in my orchestra have to play Tchaikovsky😭
@gmailaccount880 Жыл бұрын
Violin is easier for playing fast notes and scales accurately, but sounding good is easier on guitar
@taffles7498 Жыл бұрын
im not a violinist so i cant really say much but how is it easier to play scales on a violin accurately? dont u have to care about intonation
@gmailaccount880 Жыл бұрын
@@taffles7498 it’s not that hard to learn basic intonation if you put some tape in the right spots to memorize it
@eelamite Жыл бұрын
ive gone from a fretted to fretless bass. its a bass sure but there wasnt much of a difference from what i felt, it felt easier to do certain things in fact
@Aschuff22 Жыл бұрын
@@gmailaccount880 HAHAHAHAGAGAHAGAHGA. Tell that to everyone professional violinist who’ve been playing since they were a little child that STILL practice scales every single day. Ignorance is bliss I guess
@gmailaccount880 Жыл бұрын
@@Aschuff22 dawg i played violin for like 10 years
@buttfckmcgraw4722 Жыл бұрын
The frets are there to give a specific sound not to tell you where the notes are. Hence the reason for fretless guitars. Also you don't just pick the string, you have to angle the pick for alternate picking or picking fast. Not to mention muting the strings not being played or palm muting for riffs. Also hybrid picking and economy picking are just a whole different world of practice.
@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic4061 Жыл бұрын
There's, no "all that space" to play a note beacouse you must put your finger nearly on the fret beacouse either way your strings will buzz
@donaldmacgregor2628 Жыл бұрын
your guitar must be set up horribly if that’s the case
@switchmusic3099 Жыл бұрын
@@donaldmacgregor2628 no it’s basic knowledge check any video of guitarist on KZfaq absolutely no one will put the finger in the middle of the fret it’s always near the edge higher side
@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic4061 Жыл бұрын
@@donaldmacgregor2628 bro, it is common knowledge...
@joel7041 Жыл бұрын
Violin imo is one of the hardest instruments to learn
@thedankknight8333 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but it really shouldn’t matter
@exGio Жыл бұрын
@@thedankknight8333 wdym?
@thedankknight8333 Жыл бұрын
@@exGio boi don’t act like you made a comment saying it doesn’t matter. Stay mad
@cutecandygames1874 Жыл бұрын
@@thedankknight8333 ?
@thegoofiestgoooberr Жыл бұрын
@@thedankknight8333 lmao what are you on
@Phantomghost-hm9bw Жыл бұрын
Guitar is easier, but which one has the badass solos and power chords
@redrhododendron1023 Жыл бұрын
The violin has some pretty badass solos too! Check out a few violin concertos and you’ll see what I mean :)
@ashleyjohansson230 Жыл бұрын
Picking is something that sounds easy but its actually very difficult, especially if you stop looking down at where you are picking when trying to alternate pick different strings. I found starting on violin easier since your face is always looking at where you are bowing.
@alexhedges5055 Жыл бұрын
As someone who has recently started playing guitar after previously having played violin for 3+ years. I would have to say guitar is much harder to learn at a minimum
@PeiqiLi-RealLove Жыл бұрын
比较谁更难意义不大,最重要的是谁作用更大。用锄头重地比开拖拉机种地难,但没有意义产量太低
@3000DS3 Жыл бұрын
Wise words from a wise man.
@thedankknight8333 Жыл бұрын
Wise
@angrytedtalks Жыл бұрын
TwoSet approved.
@eelamite Жыл бұрын
Thank God for the translate update im saving that quote for later .. wise saying
@shortsismakingmybrainrot Жыл бұрын
I'm a bad violinist who's been playing violin for about eight years and guitar for two months. Both are hard bro. Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have started guitar by trying to teach myself a Metallica song but hey, there's progress at least. Meanwhile, for the violin... 😭😭😭 It is a labour of love either way. For an honest comparison of my experience, I found it easier to play "beginner" violin pieces than "beginner" guitar pieces. Twinkle twinkle on violin? Making a decent sound? It actually went pretty well for me. I had a good teacher. Meanwhile learning guitar chords is a pain and figuring out which finger isn't pressed down enough and is making a weird sound is kinda frustrating when you have four fingers on the fingerboard. Even switching between chords took long enough to be annoying af and my fingers would get all mixed up. So the beginning I would say guitar was harder. However I could never learn a violin alone purely because the techniques are too hard to self teach and the posture and stuff pretty much needs to be corrected by a teacher in order to make a decent sound. Also have fun trying to tune a violin on your own- tuning is an absolute nightmare compared to a guitar. When it comes to being able to play an instrument.... The violin stickers you start with a training wheels come off as you memorise the distances, but then you have to learn new hand positions for basically every scale- eg how to play flats and sharps. And then there's also shifting where you move up and down the fingerboard but uh, actually the distance between the notes decreases as you move higher, so you basically have to relearn what notes are where until you relearn everything and develop an intuition about what finger goes where. There's are many a fun techniques including artificial harmonics, vibrato, chords (bc yes, we do that too), left hand pizzicato, bowing techniques like hooked bowing, spiccato and even that one where you use the back of the bow to hit the strings, no I'm not joking. It gets worse than this but I wouldn't know 'cause I suck lol. To top it all off, we're supposed to be fluent in sheet music and play with proper expression and stuff, especially if you're studying classical stuff. (As I said, I'm a bad violinist so I could care less, but this stuff is hard and honestly way beyond me). You can probably play a guitar without requiring the knowledge of sheet music that violinists do, you don't have to relearn where the notes are every five seconds and you don't have to worry about bowing. On the other hand, for guitar you should learn chords and read tabs (not too hard from what I've seen), and for fingerstyle you pluck strings while plucking a melody as well and use things like "hammer-ons(?)" to play a note without actually plucking it. So far I haven't seen to many crazy techniques actually necessary to play a piece of music, though it understandibly takes ages to get good enough to move the large distance of the fingerboard quickly and efficiently, since it can be very fast paced with it's changes but such a large distance to move compared to a violin. I'm assuming there are harder more intricate techniques our there for guitar but those mostly seem to be fancy add ons and not basic requirements for playing a song. If anything it's easier to play popular music on a guitar than on violin- purely because the guitar chords are easier than violin chords typically and the frets show exactly where the notes are, you only have to practice moving faster between them. Meanwhile you can't exactly sing while playing a violin, so you'd usually have to play melody, a slightly less repetitive action which involves knowing where the heck the notes are and the best position to use to play them without it being awkward or overly difficult- which probably means having to at least learn the finger positions and conventions for that particular key. That's a fair deal of basic knowledge as a requirement. Rock is obviously suited better for a guitar and classical is better suited for a violin. Because that's literally his the music is written. Playing difficult rock music on a guitar is hard. Playing difficult classical music on a violin is hard. For both instruments in their main genres, they have had legends deliberately play music as difficult as possible to challenge their skills and take it to the next level. Mastering either is no easy task nor something than can easily be achieved without dedication and enormous amounts of work (unless you're a genius or smth, and even they still work hard). Anyone who plays both will probably tell you classical on a violin is harder. For reasons I'm not too sure about. Idk, maybe they're elitist or maybe they realise that even if you get good at guitar to the point where people around you go "wow dude that's insane," it's perhaps harder to impress the classical community? I'm not too sure those are just conjectures. Ask someone else about what that is lol. Basically violin is harder in general when it comes to gaining a decent playable level to play popular music. Meanwhile, both are incredibly difficult to master and truly reach the summit of and shine in different genres. At that point, comparing them is sort of useless imo. As for beginners making their first sound, my vote is on violin in easier, but really it actually comes down to your teacher and method of learning above all else.
@Renvil_ Жыл бұрын
While the Violin is "harder to learn", it's at the same time more limited in what you can do with it compared to a guitar. What I mean is that in relation to playing Melody and Rhythm parts at the sime time, and to adapt to play in different keys, the guitar has a lot of advantages. Additionally, there is such a thing as Fretless Guitars, and Steel Guitars, where the same accuracy of note placement is just as hard to get right as on the violin; but more strings. Lastly I also wanted to give a mention to the National Instrument of Norway; the Harding Fiddle "Hardingfele" which again is an even more complex version of the Violin.
@filiprushis6076 Жыл бұрын
We dont have to fight for whats the most difficult to play instrument, every instrument is diffrent
@bobby_smhurdas_hat8314 Жыл бұрын
I play both. Violin is hard as fuck
@beckhamrajkumar2093 Жыл бұрын
That's cos ur noob
@LandonQizilbash Жыл бұрын
From my experience with cello and guitar, Jumping between strings is easier on bow than pick. And you do have to pick correctly to get the right tone. But the fret thing is true, learning the right positions on fretless is very hard.
@VanessaDMusic Жыл бұрын
Violin and viola are absolutely some of the top hardest instruments
@karoliinakuppart617 Жыл бұрын
Bro I love my violin but every day I wonder. Are we actually okay and did we actually OURSELVES choose to play this freaking impossible instrument without someone pointing a gun at us
@Komi8 Жыл бұрын
It's all about getting used to the instrument. Once you get used to the guitar, you can play without looking at it.
@claryyy Жыл бұрын
to be honest that goes for violin too
@Komi8 Жыл бұрын
@@claryyy exactly.
@jordanj9069 Жыл бұрын
The fundamentally easier an instrument is to play, the more complex compositions can possibly be played on it This is why piano will have INCREDIBLY complex compositions performed, guitar with less complex compositions performed, and violin with less complex compositions being performable And yet the difficulty of the most difficult piece on each instrument is basically identical, because all have been made popular enough to be pushed very, very close to their extreme limits, by very, very gifted and dedicated people
@2miligrams Жыл бұрын
piano: easy to learn hard to master guitar: kind of easy to learn hard to master
@flatridefanatic Жыл бұрын
Technically you can play pizzicato with the violin so a bow isn’t strictly needed for a sound to be made
@Insignia27 Жыл бұрын
I do feel that guitar has a higher skill ceiling though
@tearzofthefallen6586 Жыл бұрын
I'm not a violin player, but after playing guitar for 8 years, can say that these points mentioned here are only for those looking at the instruments as prospects to play. Fret markers and string spacing are not big factors. Now what makes the Violin easier in my observation would be the lack of spacing on the fretting hand. This allows wider interval playing with much more ease due to the smaller neck of the instrument. The next observation would be that the Violin does not have the concept of string entrapment. On guitar, depending on the direction your pick is traveling in conjunction with the next string destination, you will get stuck between strings (or outside of them in the opposite scenario) this is a very complex issue and is the cause of many styles of playing, to circumvent this very problem. Now both instruments have their own class of techniques, not all mutually exclusive, but I think the position of the instrument is something harder to adjust to with Violin, and the instrument also seems like it would be harder to maintain. As for technical complexities, I'd be interested to learn of some which rival the ones I mentioned relative to guitar.
@redrhododendron1023 Жыл бұрын
The spacing of the fretting hand killed me when I tried the guitar haha. I switched to the violin and experience less pain from it now
@reesej319 Жыл бұрын
dude, yes. i commented most of these points to him regarding fretting hand pressure/picking pressure and how a TON of micro movements are involved in making a guitar sound good. this guy is clearly a violinist at heart and doesn’t know that much regarding guitar, but it’s still an interesting take
@ismo11 Жыл бұрын
There are many techniques in playing guitar. Hold the fret and pluck doesn’t even scratch the surface. Do pinch harmonics for example, but do it consistently.
@angrytedtalks Жыл бұрын
There are multiple techniques on violin also. The point being made is that even to sound reasonable on a violin is far harder than a guitar. Any mandolin player will tell you that bowing is super hard to sound good and even pizzicato sucks on a violin compared to a fretted instrument being plucked or strummed.
@azxtnt Жыл бұрын
I mean, playing bass there are 2 directions I can go with this…
@thedankknight8333 Жыл бұрын
Yep 😂
@idk9637 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Im a guitarist and violin is the hardest instrument. Though at the highest level they are even id say. Since all instruments become maxxed out the the capabilities of the human body at the highest level.
@thekidtrey1949 Жыл бұрын
“You just pluck the string” lmao this guy would have a heart attack trying to alternate pick 😂
@beckhamrajkumar2093 Жыл бұрын
This vdo is just like comparing a baby lion with a grown dog A violinist holding a guitar and comparing it to the violin It's kinda insult if u ask
@fansihsahn7973 Жыл бұрын
I’m a violinist. Every instrument has different levels of pick it up. Yes guitar might be easier to pick up than violin. However, every instruments have unlimited hardness eventually! Piano is super easy in the beginning, but see how it goes later!!
@PabloCardonaMusic Жыл бұрын
Well electric guitar is way easier, not sure it's a fair comparison. On acoustic guitar it does matter where and how hard you press within the frets, it affects the pitch and the clarity. Guitar it's also more physically demanding as you gotta press multiple strings, and the fretboard is longer and wider which means your hand has to jump around more than on the violin fingerboard, maybe a cello and double bass share this problem which would make them harder than violin.
@ukaszwojtaszek2429 Жыл бұрын
Wait till he hears about sweep picking, shredding and basically all the coolness
@syndesys Жыл бұрын
Saying that electric guitar is way easier is not only insulting but shows absolute ignorance and lack of awareness to the levels of complexity that can be achieved on the electric guitar. In case you want to have an idea and drop the ignorance, check out artists like Jason Richardson or John Petrucci.
@PabloCardonaMusic Жыл бұрын
@@syndesys Well of course someone with an electric guitar profile picture would say that lmao I guarantee you whatever these guys are playing on electric guitar is much harder to perform using an acoustic guitar, they have higher action and thicker strings, not to mention you actually have to do the job when it comes to volume and projection instead of having an amp do it for you.
@syndesys Жыл бұрын
@@PabloCardonaMusic "of course someone with an electric guitar profile picture would say that lmao" - How ironic coming from you don't you think? And of course stuff made to be played on electric would be harder to play on acoustic. Impossible even. The scale runs reach the 24th fret on the electric guitar which doesn't even exist on acoustic. The reach for lightning fast scales on acoustic guitars past the 12-14 fret is so bad you can hardly consider it. And what is it that you're saying about the amp? You have to play extremely cleanly and mute strings perfectly and constantly so that the amp doesn't pick up unwanted sounds, even if it helps with quieter sounds like the ones from tapping. As an electric guitar player, I can play both electric and acoustic. I'm not sure you ever even tried to play an electric to say such things. I'll leave you 2 examples and you can tell me if they are even CONCEIVABLE on acoustic: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fK2id5yYy7CwimQ.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aN-Wi5mEvJ-8qac.html Meanwhile, there is nothing that you can play on acoustic that you can't play on electric. The skill ceiling on electric is therefore higher.
@PabloCardonaMusic Жыл бұрын
@@syndesys You just keep proving my point. Yes, you can play fast with more ease and that is precisely because electric guitar is easier to play lol Of course I've played electric, I always have to remind myself to loosen my grip because there's barely any action on the strings, on acoustic you actually need to strengthen your hand, and also since the amp is helping you with the volume you don't really have to put any weight on the pick. Which brings me to the videos you sent, yes I've actually heard things of that speed on acoustic, here's an example: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jrycdbOpuLjQc4U.html Do you really think those guys could play as fast and clear, and still be heard across the room, without amplification, and say it's easier? Obviously not, this is a non question, acoustic guitar is more physically demanding, that's why electric is much easier
@MR_C0D3X Жыл бұрын
I take pride in knowing that violin is harder.
@thedankknight8333 Жыл бұрын
I don’t. That doesn’t make it better or more fun to listen to
@thedankknight8333 Жыл бұрын
It is more difficult to cultivate with a hoe than to drive a tractor, but it makes no sense as it yields to low… - Japanese guy in the comments
@exGio Жыл бұрын
@@thedankknight8333 Nobody said that. Y'all act like it's a competition like bro it's harder than a lot of instruments so what?
@thedankknight8333 Жыл бұрын
@@exGio your proving my point. There should be no pride in knowing one is harder than the other meaning there’s no reason to compare
@SnowHertz Жыл бұрын
@@exGio you literally just said what he said lmao
@wombat1_ Жыл бұрын
As a guitar player I won't try to argue the difficulty; however, pick attack on the guitar is something you need to worry about and people don't realize that and it's one of the things that adds to that stereotypical "beginner sound"
@andrewarnold3982 Жыл бұрын
Yes the violin is harder But guitar just sounds better💀
@Admiral_Grufus Жыл бұрын
Tell that to a 12 string guitarist, especially fingerpicking
@conner7875 Жыл бұрын
honestly, they are both equally hard, and music are not related to who's hardest, right? I don't understand why people are making these videos ngl
@lukastaylor1397 Жыл бұрын
*pedal steel guitar enters chat*
@corybrown4648 Жыл бұрын
I play all 3, guitar, pedal steel and violin.... Wtf is wrong with me?....
@unbearifiedbear1885 Жыл бұрын
One of the best things about guitar is practically *anyone* can learn to play to _at least_ a basic level I learned from a book in 3 days - been playing for 20yrs 95% of guitar players don't sound like the other 5% though; and of that 5% only 1-2% actually master the instrument.. in that respect, I'd say the *vast* majority of violin players are more accomplished than most guitar players
@shinguy Жыл бұрын
Both instruments require a great amount of skill to play well. Guitar is easier in the beginning, but both require countless hours of practice to master. Violin would be easier to play than guitar if you had spent your whole life playing the cello, but guitar would be easier to play if you spent your whole life playing the ukulele.
@kryogin Жыл бұрын
alright yeah, it is more difficult... but can you play the bass line, add the melody and play with the harmonies all at once?? not to even mention actual pleasing chords haha
@FattyBlunt007 Жыл бұрын
Actually yea. It's hard as fuck to do, and the bass line will only be as low as G3, but it can.
@redrhododendron1023 Жыл бұрын
You should watch Hilary Hahn play Erlkönig on the violin. It’s very cool! It’s a notoriously difficult piece that includes both an accompaniment and melody!
@thedankknight8333 Жыл бұрын
Okay 5 notes at the same time violinists 😢
@redrhododendron1023 Жыл бұрын
@@thedankknight8333 Might as well ask guitarists to try vibrato and trills while you’re at it 😜
@ihatecereal1763 Жыл бұрын
@@redrhododendron1023 guitar vibrato is a bit different from violin but we can do both of those 🤨
@bodoke8266 Жыл бұрын
As a violinist, I can confirm
@Obi-WanKannabis Жыл бұрын
The thing is, an instrument that is easier to play will allow you to play even more complex technical music, so it evens out. But if you just mean to play basic music, then yes, violin is harder than guitar.
@EliPorterMahn Жыл бұрын
Wait til that guy hears about complex guitar parts
@aykutkubat3352 Жыл бұрын
There is fretless guitar, so... Hear me out! VIOLINS WITH FRETS!!!! Edit: They already made it. It seems someome already taught of this.
@fokionegolfopoulos9 ай бұрын
OPINION! I play piano harp cello and I played violin for 5-6 months and I learned so much more
@kaeden5940 Жыл бұрын
You don’t have all that space, the space is only for spacing out where you play so the strings sound right, you’re supposed to place your fingers as close to the fret as possible, you also only need to tune a violin. With an electric guitar you need to tune it find the amp settings get tone and sometimes a pedal
@bigdicktyrone Жыл бұрын
what an insightful video i dont know what i would have done without the guy on the right nodding in acknowledgement
@Yoshi1up Жыл бұрын
I started on violin. Guitar is very very easy to play. But so much to master in each genre.
@jamesmiddleton83353 ай бұрын
He makes the point of being able to press anywhere within the fret and it being in tune, my counter point to that is that pressure on that fret can make notes go sharp, whereas on a violin the string is on the fretboard, so the note cannot be pushed any further to make it go sharp 🤷♂️. Each instrument has it’s own quirks that makes it more difficult than another, I’d say the biggest thing that separates guitar, specifically electric guitar is how much technique varies based on amp tone.
@NinjaDefiler Жыл бұрын
No one ever said "I want to be a violin star"
@donaldmacgregor2628 Жыл бұрын
thousands of people have said that before
@kaya_y. Жыл бұрын
The way I look at it is some instruments may be easier or harder to make a proper sound on, but past the rudimentary skills required to play the instrument, it doesn't really make sense to talk about one instrument being more difficult than the other. There are some things on every instrument that can only be done with years of dedication and practice.
@ohitsthatguy1328 Жыл бұрын
Love the title here. "Why the violin is harder than the violin"
@mr.coolio4321 Жыл бұрын
Guitar is much easier to "learn" compared to violin, but many times more difficult to master.
@bread6085 Жыл бұрын
I would say they are both insanely hard to master.
@chaseheatherly Жыл бұрын
As someone who plays the violin, I can confirm it takes time to get good at it, but guitar feels more awkward in my opinion.
@jaredbarnes7181 Жыл бұрын
I play them both and honestly felt the violin was easier. But i learned it after learning the guitar. The placement of my fingers on my guitar was always right behind the fret. The fractional difference is the same on all stringed instruments. Half the string is double the octave and so on. It was just micro adjustments and muscle memory development.
@shannynyensen772 Жыл бұрын
I’m mainly a bassist but have a guitar and a violin I will pick up the guitar time and time again but I don’t dare with the violin respect to everyone who plays an instrument though.
@jacques-yveschollet Жыл бұрын
Started getting anxiety with the millimeters comment, secretly have a new appreciation for my frets..😂
@noabsolutelynot3660 Жыл бұрын
Depends on what you're playing. Polyphia riffs are harder on guitar because of the intricacies they introduce, such that even an experienced guitarist struggles if they don't have experience shredding, while someone who's really good at Polyphia might really struggle with Frusciante's weird thumb muting because the hand positions are entirely different, whereas once you've truly mastered the fundamentals of the violin there's very little that challenges you on the higher levels. The skill curve for violin is front heavy while for guitar it's end heavy. Simple as that
@LARON-S Жыл бұрын
Bro does not know about our fingers becoming french fries while playing chords 💀
@alkaliforever9051 Жыл бұрын
I agree with this mostly, as a guitar player I did notice there were a couple things wrong. You do infact need to play close to the fret for the most full sound and closest in tune. And yes frets are much easier than having none. Also the amount of different ways to pluck strings were not accounted for; palm muted, alternate, economy, down, percussive strumming, tapp harmonics, and many more. This is in no way a dis on violin and I respect all musicians deeply, I nearly write this to inform. Keep on jamming everyone.
@BobGnarley. Жыл бұрын
less strings, smaller neck (less stretching), lighter in general, no picking technique, no strap you brace it firmly under your chin - there's tons of things that make both instruments hard. If you're just pulling at open strings of course the guitar will be easy.
@JobForAMaxboy Жыл бұрын
To be fair, violin is famously a difficult instrument. But the advantages that guitar has which make it easier, such as frets, also enable you to play chords, and bend notes. A large part of what makes guitar so special is stuff that just isn't even possible on the violin in the first place. In fact, that's what makes every instrument special. It has unique attributes that nothing else has. Despite both being stringed instruments, they're too different to compare
@naegleriafowleri223010 ай бұрын
violin is harder cause is an inferior instrument stuck in the past just like classical guitar lmao
@JM-zq9em Жыл бұрын
I found all these things out about two minutes when I once declared to a fiddle playing hillbilly that I could pick his thing up in a year because I was already very good at guitar...He gladly offered me a fiddle to borrow... I returned it a month later 🤣🤣
@thatgoodstuff2197 Жыл бұрын
For guitar it's not as simple as just strumming. There are endless ways to play a guitar, just as there are with a violin. But these techniques are different and I personally don't think one is harder than the other. It takes incredible talent and practice to be excellent at both.
@pickleanator6226 Жыл бұрын
Not exactly the same but picking up bass guitar after playing cello for 6 years felt like heaven.
@SpazzMatticusTheGreat Жыл бұрын
Yeah because bass guitar is the greatest instrument that mankind has ever created.
@randalthor2859 Жыл бұрын
90% of this argument boils down to "guitar big, violin small"
@vioIinguy Жыл бұрын
LAMO :)))))))
@randalthor2859 Жыл бұрын
@@vioIinguy I made my mans laugh so hard he typo'd "lmao" xD
@cskater8011 Жыл бұрын
Man forgot that fretless guitars exist
@thehomochefual Жыл бұрын
I loved playing viola in school
@duskstorm3560 Жыл бұрын
The first time I tried a violin in elementary school, I literally couldn't make a sound. That's why I play clarinet now!
@Transformerslover0 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention tuning, that stuff is hard to master, just your ear?! Holy shit! I’ll be on the chair for years mastering that.
@rantorreview144 Жыл бұрын
The skill ceilings for both instruments are so high that literally doesn’t matter. Sure violin is hard to learn but both have such a high ceiling.
@guitarsebb Жыл бұрын
Depends on what genre you play, if you play some of that pop crap it's supeeeer easy just play a few chords and then you can call it a song. But if you play the more Heavy stuff like Thrash Metal, Death Metal, 80s hard rock there will be a bunch of crazy solos you have to play. But overall the violin might be harder idk.
@7vreja7 Жыл бұрын
It's hard to get started on violin, but guitar has a higher skill ceiling by far.
@paulgordon1595 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I have trouble comprehending how people don’t understand this. It’s so easy for us to say “the violin is SIGNIFICANTLY harder to become proficient at than the guitar”, but everyone gets into shambles when we talk about the skill CEILING of guitar. The versatility should be obvious, I would think, but then again….this is a KZfaq comment section lol