They just wouldn't let it end. Both Days of Future Past and Logan had perfect ending points for the franchise.

Another problem with the franchise was putting all of their eggs in the Wolverine basket. They never wanted to take the time to fully develop other characters.

I cannot BELIEVE they made the perfect costumes at the end of Apocalypse and then DIDNT EVER USE THEM AGAIN

If I were to adapt X-men, I wouldn’t have it be a movie. I think it needs to be a tv series. There are so many stories and characters in the X-men (the X-men are the wu tang clan of the comic book world) so give it an 8-10 episode run on a streaming service, 1 hr an episode for maybe 5-6 seasons/series I think you could do it justice

Days of Future Past would have been an amazing send-off.

Days of Future Past was a perfect climax and Logan was a perfect epilogue. I choose to ignore everything that came after.

Just imagine how insane it would be if Evan Peters became Quicksilver in the MCU outta nowhere hahahahaha

X-Men Origins: Wolverine's Jacket - thats all we get from that movie, where he got that jacket...

Jeniffer Lawrence’s obvious disdain for her role as Mystique which showed in every movie she was in didn’t help either.

Logan was literally the perfect ending, bittersweet but perfect. They have completely tarnished their legacy with Dark Phoenix, going out on a whimper.

Gambit has been my favorite character since the 90s and I have yet to see a good adaptation of him for film. Crossing my fingers for the MCU

I really like Wolverine, but if I would start fresh I would make sure that other characters like Cyclops, Storm, Nightcrawler or Gambit would get their fair amount of screentime instead of focusing most of the movies on Wolverine. Especially as Hugh Jackman isn't available for the role anymore. Also, I know you said don'T put it in the MCU, but doing a Phoenix Saga movie that actually happens in Space would be a great crossover with the guardians of the galaxy.

They kind of forgot to make consistent movies...

I mostly like these movies because of the cast. James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender are phenomenal.

I’ve never understood how Logan could have been a perfect ending given it completely ruins the upbeat and hopeful vision of the future given in Days if Future Past

"hey, let's have the guy that ruin xmen 3 ruin a new xmen movie again, oh and please make sure it is the same one, just add some sprinkles and no one will notice"

I blame Nick Mason.

*Am I the only one who loved that Gambit in Origins even if it's not "comic book accurate"?* *That was actually so cool.*

'House of M' possibly the overarching theme of Wandavision??

First Class, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Days of Future Past. That sounds like a strong way to set up mutants, bring a massive threat, tell a more personal story as a consequence of the big threat, then a hail mary attempt to save the ruined world of the previous film.

Continuity shmontinuity is what X-Men is all about.

Fox: I’m sorry for the films we’ve made Fans: You’re always sorry Fox & there’s always an excuse...but nobody cares anymore

I hope when the MCU does these characters they do some different stories that Fox never got too. I would like to see Sinister, Brood, Alpha Flight, The Phalanax, and Asteroid M.

Dark Phoenix looks like a quick cash grabs by execs who knew the company was being sold.

It could have been worse, I'm personally glad for the things they did right, most of all Hugh-Jacked-Man.

fix without going to the mcu? bring in the bishop and cable stories. more alternate timelines.

Reboot complete and adapt the first season of the 90’s cartoon with modern implications

How to fix the x man franchise. 1. Erase apocalypse, dark Phoenix and origins from existence 2. Done

Well we have old steve rogers now…

Costume design wise, Frank quietly's new man uniforms were inspired by the first movie costumes. So these uniforms are crappy versions of comic uniforms that were designed to work in a live action setting

I am very okay with Daredevil becoming the new '& Knuckles' meme replacement. E.G. 'Chunky Vegetable soup with Swede, Carrot & Daredevil' Even works with songs - 'Are you going to Scarborough Fair... Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Thyme... & Daredevil'.

They weren't great films because they didn't explore the character's motivations enough. For example; why is Cyclops the leader? He wasn't the most powerful (Iceman/Jean) or the most intelligent (Beast). If you read the early comics you know its because of all the original X-men he was the only one that could only use his power to kill, or at least maim, enemies. There was no turning it down or off; if he beamed you you were done. This resulted in an individual with a huge sense of responsibility who understood that their actions had weight. That's why Charles picked him to be leader and groomed him to become the tactical master they needed. But in the movies he's bit part/irrelevant. Is it any surprise that the moves tended to be a bit shallow? The obvious exception is Logan; the film in which they explored motivation more than any other and it resulted in the best X-men film.

It's simple do Dark Phonix 2 more times because as we all know the 5th one is where it gets good again

This might just be me, but I really liked the Dazzler cameo. To me, things like that just make a fictional world feel more living. Like, there are characters with lives, Hope's, and dreams outside of the main plot.

I've always wanted to see Age of Apocalypse adapted. That was a fantastic story.

I want to see Old Man Gary Oldman.

What ironic about Old Man Logan is that, he’s already and Old Man even before he joined the X-Men!!! You know what’s an awesome idea? *Old Man Cyclops* Where he’s diagnosed with cataracts...

Ahhh so this is your magnum opus... well played Mr sunday

This is some of the best editing I've seen on this channel, especially 1:04

Phoenix wasn’t bad, but Mystique went from mysterious to traitor to preachy. Her character evolved to where I couldn’t figure her out and she died in the end. X-Men timeline was weird.

Loving the love for Days of Future Past, that movie is pretty pretty good, very entertaining and feels very X-Men.

X-Men Danger Room Protocols. Look it up. That is what the X-men NEED to be

A big part of what makes or breaks a movie is the antagonist. X-men: Magneto and his extremist methods and the regular people prejudiced against mutants X-Men 2: Stryker manipulating the facts, creating a story that gives him more power, as well as his connection to Logans past X-Men 3: Same as X-men 1, as well as Jean coming back to life, but very unhinged (not entirely fleshed out, which was a part of the movie not being well received) X-men Origins Wolverine: Stryker, the manipulation of Logan, Victor, Logans animal nature, etc (Just a bit too much, which lead to nothing feeling fleshed out) The Wolverine: Logans mortality, how he's tired, but has never been able to settle down and be happy. Always in a war, and always being the last one standing among enemies as well as friends. Logan: Endings as well as new beginnings. Logan is old, his healing factor is failing, and everyone he's ever known is now gone. He and Laura are hunted down by a government branch as well as the physical representation of Logans rage, his animal nature and how his life is nothing but a blood soaked war-zone. X-Men First Class: Schmidt, his connection to Magneto, the threat of Nuclear war, and the fear of the unknown that is now revealed to the world X-Men Days of Future Past: Time itself, both in the threat of the future, and the mistakes of the past X-men Dark Phoenix: Random aliens that lost an energy that latched onto Jean (who also has memories locked away to keep her in check), no real personal connection and it's just the X-men trying to find and reason with Jean while the Brotherhood is trying to kill her. All this while public opinion on mutants went from _really well_ to _We hate you_ overnight Edit: I completely forgot about Apocalypse X-men apocalypse: Random ancient mutant (which doesn't make sense cause mutants were supposed to show up after the nuclear age, accelerating evolution). A team of random mutants that have little to no personality or purpose o(other than magneto) Gradually, these films just became a set-up for a big final battle with meaningless characters that look cool, but lacks any actual heart

Would have been nice to see more individual stories in movies from the characters and not have them relied on wolverine to carry the franchise and have everything leading up to the X-men forming like avengers maybe it just got hard for them to balance every character on screen

Because Charles *didn't know what to do!*

I would love to see old man Spider-Man with Tobey Maguire

Re-watching this video and I feel that they focused too much on certain characters and put Wolverine front and centre way too much. The x-men are meant to be ensemble films with each character explored and fleshed out. I've seen other comments on different videos like this one saying about how characters like Storm, Cyclops, Psylocke, Iceman etc getting little to no character development. I do think the MCU has done a brilliant job of making viewers care for each character in the ensemble films and the origin films.

“I fix the carburetor for YOU” “You fix it? You can’t fix it.” - Longmont Potion Castle

Old Man Hawkeye is an absolute fantastic read.

X-Men the actors of the original VS Planet broadcasting... Standard American football pitch... Go

It wasn't a failure. It made money. X Men, X2, First Class and Days of Future Past are in my top 10 Superhero movies

A multi million dollar movie franchise that each time made its budget and more, made Hugh Jackman a household name, and includes the highest grossing rated R move to date (Deadpool) is a failure? Wish I failed that good in life

Them: U wanna sea old man Captain America... Me: No, I don't think you will...

X men 1, x2, first class, days of future past, Deadpool, Logan, And Deadpool 2 were all great.

“We need an old captain America.” 1 month or so before endgame released

man the editing on this video is amazing. props

I havent even watched the video yet but theres so many reasons. And it makes me sad. This is my favourite comic book franchise :/

I would love to see the introduction of the Xmen and Brother hood in the MCU be them running at eachother just like the intro to the 90s series

Nearly half of these movies stand the test of time... The others are completely forgettable but still...

It's no coincidence that the simpler stories like Logan or Deadpool outperformed the movies packed with too many characters. Sometimes less is more

IT'S SIMPLE. TOO MANY ACTORS, WRITERS, AND DIRECTORS!

"Age of Apocalypse" is my 2nd favourite comic story of ALL TIME. Id love to see a TV series adaptation of it. I think my love for it is why the terrible Apocalypse film hurt so much.

The edits in this video is insane!

Well, it's the fourth highest grossing franchise and 8 out of 13 are certified fresh, so I don't think it truly failed

It's sad it had to go out the way it did cuz I loved the first two and still do. They paved the way for the modern superhero movies

It lasted 20 years, kickstarted a superhero renaissance and made billions. Hardly a failure

"How to fix the X-men franchise?" -Obvious answer= Give it to Kevin Fiege.

The first 10 seconds “Im gonna squeak this one out thats xmen dark pheniox” 😂😂😂

First off Disney drone, THE X-MEN DID NOT FAIL!!! X-Men, X2, origins Wolverine, First Class, Days Of, & Logan we’re all very well received movies from fans BEFORE Fox sold to Disney!!! Since then, people like you have been saying they failed!!! These are some of the best marvel movies out there!!! They basically stayed to the origins of the franchise & didn’t focus on rushing the stories or doing crossovers like Disney does!!! The others I am also talking about is, the first two Rami Spider-Man’s, Iron Man one, & even the first Fantastic Four!!! Tim Story took time to build what happened & put some heart into the Fantastic Four & people didn’t like that there was hardly and action!!! As I get back on the X-Men, people have Jackman praise for what he did with Wolverine!!! People also liked the job that was done on both versions of professor X!!! Just to name a couple things that were said before the dumb Disney take over!!! You people have to stop trashing everyone that is not Disney when it comes to the MCU!!! Disney does nothing but ruin things they touch anymore!!! Look at Star Wars & how they have completely ruined that great franchise!!! They want and changed up things that George created to get their stupid version to make sense!!! Look at how they are taking classics they made & turning them into live action, sjw nonsense!!! My wife loves the original lion king but wants nothing to do with this new version!! She loves the original Aladdin & talks crap about this live action version that is completely unbelievable!!! Let’s get back to the “stand alone” MCU movies Disney did & the reason why X3 is better than most of those!!! After Iron Man one, Disney started turning those movies into Avengers movies!!! Look at 99% Of the “stand alone’s) and you see members of the Avengers in those!!! I am a caption America fan & they turned his into Avengers part 1a,2b & 3c!!! If you are truly a fan of marvel, then you actually do want to see that studio out of the hands of sjw Disney!!! If you love those movies, then you are a part of the problem in this country & why we have Hitler Jr. in the White House instead of a president who stood up for everyone’s rights!!! Don’t hate the facts!!! Stupid comments will not be responded to, so marvel drones, don’t even try!!! That will just prove my point about you!!!

I've just realised, having the entire Dark Phoenix plot occur in X3 is VERY comparable to the treatment of Danaerys in the last GoT season...

Thanks for giving the X-Men a proper sendoff, with a series of videos. If I have to watch one more KZfaq video, talking about and game, I’m going to cut my throat.

"They could have called it Fantastic Four and another guy" 😂😂😂😂😂

Just scrolling through the comments to see if the 'deadpool's in his own space' guy is here

How to bring the franchise back? That's easy. First, stick to the comics. Second, no more origin stories. Majority of the world knows who the X-Men are at this point, so no need to go over it again. If you don't know, who cares. If the movie is done well you wont need origin stories, the 90's animated series did a great job with this. Third, if you intend on making a trilogy (bunch of movies) make one badass story-line that will expand through multiple sequels and stick with it. They did this in the first trilogy making it revolve around Wolverine, which was a mistake. Wolverine is my favorite comic character, but these were "X-MEN" movies. They need to give the rest of the team more screen/story time. Just my opinion..

Cool vid 👍 Is multiple man officially cancelled tho? I thought that’s the only one that could still be made as long as they start shooting in the next few months.

Thank you for actually showing images of all the movies while narrating, instead of just showing two guys talking, and you both point out facts very relevant to the reason of why this series was very irregular.

8:56 I wish someone put as much care into the X-men movies as they have into the Fast and Furious movies. I AM SERIOUS. Just travel the world and thing of set pieces. Hell, do it like the mission impossible movies and just replace a bazooka moment or a missile moment with a mutant moment.

Days of Future Past was gorgeous

I have to say, thinking about it, the first thing that comes to mind regarding the series ending, is that I won't miss the broken continuity. It really does have the effect of making me far less invested. This has become more apparent recently, with things like the Phoenix's origin being unclear between Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, and the cast being a mere eight years away from looking like Patrick Stewart and co. The series has had its ups and downs, but ultimately, I think it's all part of its charm, and it's an interesting case study. I'm very entertained by all the films really, and I think the highs have definitely been worthwhile. I think what I'll miss most about the series is some of its truly excellent casting.

In Dark Phoenix I kinda liked the costumes, but I still wanted to see the suits at the end of Apocalypse used in Dark Phoenix

"The first one that loses money will be the last one we make." -Hollywood's Golden Rule

MCU could use the A vs X saga, with the Phoenix 5

Congratulations on 700 videos

The "Logan" movie was much more like the "death of wolverine" comic than it was "old man logan".

Failed? There's about 10 films. How can that be a failure?

X-Men: The Last Stand “great send off” X-Men: Days of Future Past “great send off” X-Men: Apocalypse “great send off” Logan “great send off” X-Men: Dark Phoenix “great send off”

Both points touched on concerning the lack of costume creativity and only using the same basic characters really ruined the potential for some of the greatest comic book characters and events to ever happen. Dark Phoenix had the potential to be phenomenal like Logan at wrapping up the series. But reshoots and possibly the confusing timeline really ruined the series for me. First class was such a great x men movie and if only they took that momentum and channel it into something cohesive and creative, while also retaining the charm of the X-Mem comics could have really made these movies much better

Tragic. I’m watching this on the weekend.

Dark Phoenix didn’t work, but the whole franchise wasn’t a failure. There were more good movies than bad movies

Does anyone else nearly instantly tap “like” when Mr. Sunday tells you to during the video? I guess I have the feeling that I don’t want to let him down. Also, more or less just to get it out of the way so I can watch the video.

You guys just reminded me... Jean Grey has Phoenix power at the end of apocalypse!!!

6:38 still my all time favourite line from James

Legion episodes are an hour long and Xavier is gonna be in season 3 so if you watch 2 episodes back to back then they're better X-Men movies than the actual movies

Hi random person! Have a great day!!

I would start introducing the characters into the mcu through a series on Disney plus. I think that would get people pretty hyped.

Great video!

Because it was never taking seriously from the beginning.

Failed ? This is the franchise that gave us X-Men, X2, Days of Future Past, First Class, Logan, etc.

Hey have you noticed in your intro there's a few frames that repeat themselves, almost like it's buffering?

You mentioned the first Ironman, but the universe hadn't been established. The reason the Ironman changes worked was because these characters weren't popular in the comics initially. The most popular comic characters from Marvel were Spider-man, Fantastic 4, and X-men.