Why There’s No Talladega Night(s) Races

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The Iceberg

The Iceberg

2 ай бұрын

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@thespacejumper1164
@thespacejumper1164 2 ай бұрын
A talledega night race would go so hard I wish it would happen
@number1musichater430
@number1musichater430 2 ай бұрын
At least we can experience it in video games.
@Imthemotion._
@Imthemotion._ Ай бұрын
I’m saying ☄️☄️☄️
@DaleDenton-ov5pg
@DaleDenton-ov5pg Ай бұрын
It would be absolutely lame as hell. The only good night races are short tracks.
@justcallmeBIG_L
@justcallmeBIG_L 2 ай бұрын
If they had a night race there would be: 4 flips, 15 cars over the wall, And the whole field in the big one
@kl5_racing251
@kl5_racing251 2 ай бұрын
Lol
@donovanj0623
@donovanj0623 2 ай бұрын
Fr
@Jason1Pa
@Jason1Pa 2 ай бұрын
I'd be buying a ticket😅
@justcallmeBIG_L
@justcallmeBIG_L 2 ай бұрын
@@Jason1Pa same bruh
@ladderkicker
@ladderkicker Ай бұрын
Bullshit
@NotMattyDYT
@NotMattyDYT 2 ай бұрын
At least we can race Talladega at night in the EA games
@Mister_Matt_X
@Mister_Matt_X 2 ай бұрын
Yup...
@jermaineboyd6594
@jermaineboyd6594 2 ай бұрын
True that
@Eman-du7mw
@Eman-du7mw 2 ай бұрын
Talladega infield
@jonathonevans1883
@jonathonevans1883 2 ай бұрын
You can race Talladega Night(s) on NASCAR Thunder 2003
@RenanYTkkm
@RenanYTkkm 22 күн бұрын
And in NASCAR PSP Too
@1972lesteryan
@1972lesteryan 2 ай бұрын
Being from Talladega Co. you are spot on about the power grid. When I was a growing up in the 80's ,if it was to snow which doesn't happen much in Alabama we would be with out power for al least a week and I'm talking about a light snow. Maybe one to two inches of snow
@Bizz4r2m0ke
@Bizz4r2m0ke 2 ай бұрын
Yeah but in reality Alabama Power and the Southern Power Co has all the necessary equipment to make it happen. Its just a matter of if Nascar deems it a reasonable necessity to make more money. Personally i think they would make more money if they did a Dega night race. Also id like to add the only reason i know they have the equipment is because im from Tuscaloosa so I've seen half the stuff they let TPD use.
@1972lesteryan
@1972lesteryan 2 ай бұрын
@@Bizz4r2m0ke I'm not disputing that one bit. But it's their job not the states job
@Bizz4r2m0ke
@Bizz4r2m0ke 2 ай бұрын
@@1972lesteryan i always thought all the southeastern states were all owned by an umbrella corporation
@1972lesteryan
@1972lesteryan 2 ай бұрын
@@Bizz4r2m0ke maybe so
@jonpitts1978
@jonpitts1978 Ай бұрын
Typical person from Alabama not having a clue what your talking about. Snow knocks out power because all power lines in bum fuck Alabama are above ground hanging off poles it has nothing to do with power infrastructure needed to power lights at a stadium. Thanks from reminding us though
@NASCARRACER89official
@NASCARRACER89official 2 ай бұрын
someone should donate the money to upgrade the power grid an put up some lights
@andrewahern3730
@andrewahern3730 2 ай бұрын
Why would anybody donate to a for-profit business?
@JimbobZ17
@JimbobZ17 2 ай бұрын
Tell that to the U.S. government who sends billions to other countries and waste taxpayers money.
@DERAOFFICIAL
@DERAOFFICIAL 2 ай бұрын
good luck raising $5,000,000
@NASCARRACER89official
@NASCARRACER89official 2 ай бұрын
Talladega got lights this week
@piedpiper1172
@piedpiper1172 17 күн бұрын
…that’s what property taxes are for. The speedway is rather clearly under taxed by its host county. Power in the US is structured as licensed natural monopolies. One company has exclusive provision for an area, but they can therefore only make profit from infrastructure upgrades (and that’s fixed at 10%). So what ever your power bill is, you’re paying (within 1-2%) the exact production cost of the power you use + how ever much covers any unreturned infrastructure improvement investments. One major flaw in this system is that maintenance doesn’t count for any profit, so power utilities are heavily incentivized to skimp on maintenance as much as legally possible. This tends to drive user costs up, while making the companies little or not profit (except tangentially in corrupt cases where irresponsibly deferred maintenance is used to justify unnecessary infrastructure upgrades). If the local area can’t afford further investments, then it hasn’t been growing enough, which is a super common outcome when services are too underfunded. A massive speedway and it’s equally massive parking footprint eating up space is a great local asset-if that asset pays its share of local tax.
@niallfoody97
@niallfoody97 2 ай бұрын
Its mad that in the 21st century a place in the richest country in the world has such a vulnerable electrical grid.
@metricccccc
@metricccccc 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, but rural Alabama isn't very rich so it makes sense
@niallfoody97
@niallfoody97 2 ай бұрын
@@metricccccc yeah but the state of Alabama has enough saying they spend multi millions on new group of 5 college football stadiums, but they won't shell out to light a nascar track that attracts 500,000 per twice per year.
@mastodon98
@mastodon98 2 ай бұрын
We are NOT the richest country
@nobodystaco7366
@nobodystaco7366 2 ай бұрын
​@@mastodon98 As a country, yes we are due to our sheer size. There are multiple countries that are more concentrated
@AustinAaq
@AustinAaq 2 ай бұрын
lol reason Louisville don’t have an nba team and Alabama
@hi_im_sota
@hi_im_sota 2 ай бұрын
Your tellin me they can’t get some industrial generators in?
@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet
@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet 2 ай бұрын
It wouldn’t be cheap to operate and cause massive pollution
@hi_im_sota
@hi_im_sota 2 ай бұрын
@@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet yeah cuz NASCARs number one priority is the environment
@angus4202
@angus4202 2 ай бұрын
@@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet you sound incredibly stupid
@itz_jacoby3
@itz_jacoby3 2 ай бұрын
@@Waddle_Dee_With_Internet😭 Waddle your ass on outta here with your polution shit 😭
@jefferygordon24
@jefferygordon24 2 ай бұрын
@@hi_im_sota😂😂😂😂
@johnvandeventer8668
@johnvandeventer8668 2 ай бұрын
I wish they did, but I understand why they don’t
@SoupySpiritGX
@SoupySpiritGX 2 ай бұрын
Not to mention the rocky terrain you would have to dig into to install said lights. It would primo expensive just for installation let alone maintenance and usage.
@Joel-yj3ic
@Joel-yj3ic 28 күн бұрын
I think it's mostly clay at Talladega. Haven't looked for rocks. Could be wrong.
@Lucas_inTheLIGHT
@Lucas_inTheLIGHT 2 ай бұрын
Talladega county really gave up their entire power grid so Nascar could run a Talladega road course in the EA games💀
@goldplayz9594
@goldplayz9594 8 күн бұрын
It's so over for Talladega kids doing their night homework in EA games😢
@naparacingfan9275
@naparacingfan9275 2 ай бұрын
A Talladega night race would be very cool but it's never happening.
@4_14_fan
@4_14_fan 2 ай бұрын
If I were a billionaire I would personally pay for the upgrades to the power grid for Talladega to get lights, that would be such a cool feature and it would open the door to some endurance road racing like Daytona has
@FlashoftheBlades
@FlashoftheBlades 2 ай бұрын
Talladega used to have an infield road course, which can still be seen if you look at a detailed map of the track. But just like Phoenix in 2011, the paving of the infield runoff areas in either 1995 or 1996 sealed off the infield section, making it very difficult to revive that layout. Besides, the 24 Hours of Daytona was run long before the lights were installed, so they wouldn’t be required to run such a race at Talladega.
@jabber1990
@jabber1990 2 ай бұрын
and that is why you'll never be a Billionaire
@ANDRESLOPEZ_24
@ANDRESLOPEZ_24 2 ай бұрын
​@@jabber1990grow up
@SESKE_5
@SESKE_5 2 ай бұрын
@@ANDRESLOPEZ_24what bro do wrong ?
@nancyhodges444
@nancyhodges444 2 ай бұрын
This is on the state of Alabama. Y’all ever hear of Upgrade
@Crimsonbrony4812
@Crimsonbrony4812 2 ай бұрын
Ever heard of College Football?
@nancyhodges444
@nancyhodges444 2 ай бұрын
@@Crimsonbrony4812 cute, duh, no please enlighten me🤣
@Michigan_National_Champs15-0
@Michigan_National_Champs15-0 2 ай бұрын
​@@nancyhodges444 New Hampshire doesn't have lights 🤷
@nancyhodges444
@nancyhodges444 2 ай бұрын
@@Michigan_National_Champs15-0 ok anybody other geniuses what to insult my intelligence?🤪
@Crimsonbrony4812
@Crimsonbrony4812 2 ай бұрын
@@nancyhodges444 all the money went to paying Auburn's coaches out and paying Saban *sarcasm*
@hughmongus6191
@hughmongus6191 2 ай бұрын
Why is an instrumental version of the Persona 5 theme plating in the background?
@everyonesfavoritesejong
@everyonesfavoritesejong 2 ай бұрын
I just realized that lmao
@gejordan45
@gejordan45 2 ай бұрын
I honestly think Talladega county residents wouldn’t care if their power went out bc they’d probably all be at the race 😂
@robertl779
@robertl779 Ай бұрын
In 2000 we got night time qualifying. It was crazy
@rvegasguy_5216
@rvegasguy_5216 2 ай бұрын
I remember they ran 2000 bud pole qualifying in darkness. It was so dark that jeff burton faked a car failure bc he didn't Want to run in darkness
@mrj3217
@mrj3217 2 ай бұрын
I just had this thought hours ago. Wow?
@fishiecat
@fishiecat 2 ай бұрын
persona music in a nascar video? you'll never see it coming.
@stellingbanjodude
@stellingbanjodude 2 ай бұрын
They could install a solar panel grid to support it 🤷🏻‍♂️
@scale_model_apprentice
@scale_model_apprentice 2 ай бұрын
What a great episode Luka! Did you know that if you dab a little more, it'll set!
@nascarfanatic2425
@nascarfanatic2425 2 ай бұрын
That's understandable, but I think that also makes for a strong case as to why Talladega should have earlier start times.
@FlashoftheBlades
@FlashoftheBlades 2 ай бұрын
*Insert Homer Simpson annoyed grunt here.*
@Merica_dadgarage
@Merica_dadgarage 2 ай бұрын
Let’s go Brandon!!! FJB!!! Trump 2024!!!!!
@SESKE_5
@SESKE_5 2 ай бұрын
Only the second thing here was good
@IBangedUrMom69420
@IBangedUrMom69420 Ай бұрын
Brandon Brown*
@nowake
@nowake Ай бұрын
Your crime daddy doesn't care about you
@WAATLP
@WAATLP Ай бұрын
Why do you think of political figures as parents?
@Merica_dadgarage
@Merica_dadgarage Ай бұрын
@@nowake I completely understand the potato Joe doesn’t care about me. Thanks for the reinforcement. Turn off MSNBC CNN and MSM. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@LukeBCtown
@LukeBCtown 11 күн бұрын
Just think of how much drunker everyone would get
@grahamcrackergaming1540
@grahamcrackergaming1540 2 ай бұрын
I think something to add too, Talladega Superspeedway only host NASCAR and no other motorsports. Just Cup, Xfinity, and ARCA and in the Spring, and Cup and Truck running in the Fall with Xfinity running in the Fall in recent years. Even if Talladega had lights it wouldn’t be enough money to pay the electric bill, compared to its sister track Daytona where 98% of racing at Daytona is done on the combined oval and road course. Same can be said with other tracks on the schedule like Michigan, New Hampshire, etc. Michigan only hosts NASCAR, and New Hampshire host only NASCAR and maybe some other motorsports on the combined oval and road course, but not enough to really make bank off of em.
@s.f.9540
@s.f.9540 24 күн бұрын
They used to have a night race at Talladega one of the best races of the season
@Battlekaik5
@Battlekaik5 2 ай бұрын
I honestly thought it was because of there being an airbase nearby.
@ianb.perunal6596
@ianb.perunal6596 15 күн бұрын
Theoretically, if they had their own power plant like most other big places like Disney World, etc. they should be able to do it they just don’t want people crashing, but if they had it could still be better
@dumbdave961
@dumbdave961 2 ай бұрын
Yo, Persona 5 music? Wow. For those who don't know, it's the instrumental version of "Wake Up, Get Up, Get Out There". Anyway, I guess it makes sense it takes a lot of power for a track that big.
@everyonesfavoritesejong
@everyonesfavoritesejong 2 ай бұрын
I guess he's a persona fan 😂
@dumbdave961
@dumbdave961 2 ай бұрын
@@everyonesfavoritesejong Maybe. Even if someone knows nothing about the games, the music is amazing.
@worldneedsmorelove4465
@worldneedsmorelove4465 2 ай бұрын
Here's an idea just spit balling here .... START THE RACES AT NOON!
@SESKE_5
@SESKE_5 2 ай бұрын
When people are still at work ?
@worldneedsmorelove4465
@worldneedsmorelove4465 2 ай бұрын
@@SESKE_5 ummmmm id get the church point but work? People work all day everyday not a valid point of argument
@rustyshackleford5516
@rustyshackleford5516 3 күн бұрын
Its weird so many Nascar tracks are in such small towns. Im surprised Brooklyn where MIS is doesn't have the same issue.
@cjglassvlogs2689
@cjglassvlogs2689 2 ай бұрын
Dude, I was really thinking about this yesterday while Cory Lajoy was on the side
@billbrasky1288
@billbrasky1288 2 ай бұрын
I wonder if they could install some industrial generators to offset some of the grid usage.
@gareththomas2000
@gareththomas2000 Ай бұрын
If i was track owner, I would have two options. Option 1 is install the lights at Talladega but black out Alabama ticket holders that are going so it can be a sell out. Option 2 is install the lights in Talladega county and hope the power does not go boom.
@Itsscottstudios
@Itsscottstudios Ай бұрын
If that was the case, the movie should’ve been called “Talladega Days: the Ballad of Ricky Bobby” not “Nights”
@bigmcgwire5938
@bigmcgwire5938 Күн бұрын
That’s honestly funny asf. “Yeah our track is so massive that it would cause a blackout for the whole town of Talladega so we can’t race nights.” BDE at its finest😭😭
@Official_Dream
@Official_Dream 2 ай бұрын
They could easily line solar panels up along the outside of the track
@Ironmike6252
@Ironmike6252 23 күн бұрын
Talladega night = absolute *D E A T H*
@emmanuelchavis6999
@emmanuelchavis6999 15 күн бұрын
You can only do that in NASCAR games fantasy races races Talladega night races
@beedyboy1395
@beedyboy1395 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, i toured this during my sprink break (after easter) and the guide said that if they have lights and turn them on, everyone else would have a power outage in the county
@Billgoat-ut7pz
@Billgoat-ut7pz Ай бұрын
I can say this is true I live in Talladega and power goes out way to much
@aardremiz4752
@aardremiz4752 22 күн бұрын
Idk about that I can’t speak for other tracks but Richmond’s lights are controlled by generators exclusively. I’ve seen it myself, every pole has its own caterpillar diesel generator powering it. The big tandem axle ones. I wondered why but the reason in this video makes sense. Also the camera on the wall around the track are each powered by a Honda generator. Now to be fair Richmond is significantly smaller and Talladega so it may be cost prohibiting to have generators powering that many poles and I don’t know how Daytona is set up, the closest thing to talladega, I was always curious as to why Richmond used generators vs being hooked to the grid
@kevinhilnbrand1373
@kevinhilnbrand1373 9 күн бұрын
They make generators big enough to power massive hospitals, I'm sure they could power lights for the track.
@NASCARTopPicks
@NASCARTopPicks 2 ай бұрын
Missed the opportunity for a “Talladega Nights” pun LOL
@tigerwareagle1485
@tigerwareagle1485 22 күн бұрын
I live in Talladega County and I can confirm, our power source here is so putrid that lighting Talladega at night would indeed cause a county wide black out 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@StruggleGaming
@StruggleGaming 15 күн бұрын
Ngl, Talladega should have plenty of space for solar in the parking lot too not only light the track but also the grid. Talk about a win,win upgrade for the facility and county as the track also becomes a big green solar farm while shading the lot for tail gating.
@JnitraM078
@JnitraM078 16 күн бұрын
There are generally 3 separate grids that come from the power plants or different transformers. There's Industrial power, Commercial power and municipal power. Talladega would be on Commercial power at the least with the airport and other things on that property that run. They do have their own substation. So, depending on the voltage coming in to their transformer it might just be a question of larger capacity transformer, larger physical size high tension lines, or come off of a different source altogether which may be industrial if they could get zoning for it. All of which wouldn't cost them much as most of that would be the power companies problem. They would have to upgrade their onsite service, but not the incoming. But, it wouldn't shut your lights off at your house. Maybe the warehouse down the street. I get the point, but there's always a way. How did Pocono do it? There's plenty of room at Talladega for that. I'm not a fan necessarily but in that large of a scale, if solar works and would bring lights to race at night, go for it.
@torrencejackson3453
@torrencejackson3453 2 ай бұрын
Night racing at Talladega should have happen years ago. Hopefully Talladega will have night races soon.
@KidLatin27
@KidLatin27 2 ай бұрын
Well hey we may not get one in real life but hey at least we can have it in the NASCAR thunder games 😊.
@marshallpeters1437
@marshallpeters1437 2 ай бұрын
Ahhh but there will be. Talladega county and the state are working towards a way to increase the power available to lincoln (the actual city talladega is in). So while its still far out there are talks and plans to give talladega the amount of power it needs for lights
@MrTCOOPS16
@MrTCOOPS16 2 ай бұрын
I’m sure there enough space for Talledega to go off the grid with solar panels. It wouldn’t just help the facility, but the county as well when the track isn’t in use.
@josephharrison5639
@josephharrison5639 2 ай бұрын
Talledega being a Becon of light in a world of darkness lol
@johncrane3611
@johncrane3611 2 ай бұрын
WHY DON'T THEY PUT UP A SOLAR PANEL FARM TO POWER LED LIGHTING!!!
@sethzink3458
@sethzink3458 2 ай бұрын
That's actually why the county I grew up in didn't have a big box store
@berniemiller2992
@berniemiller2992 2 ай бұрын
It would blow Eastaboga off the map.
@dd-uj8jx
@dd-uj8jx 2 ай бұрын
Thank god night races should be for for short tracks
@Mikoaj-ie6gt
@Mikoaj-ie6gt Ай бұрын
As an European, THANK GOD
@CrispyMOFO91
@CrispyMOFO91 Ай бұрын
I think we could handle it. I live in Talladega and you have a hydroelectric dam that supplies the power
@Vanfanman11694
@Vanfanman11694 2 ай бұрын
I love the movie if you ain’t first your last
@ellatinonation
@ellatinonation 2 ай бұрын
What about solar panels? 😭 or wind turbines?
@condorsgameplay
@condorsgameplay Ай бұрын
Because of the Ballad of Ricky Bobby
@David9PM
@David9PM Ай бұрын
I wonder if Indianapolis speedway is for the same reason. I know it’s expensive to put in all the lights also.
@jessallen7756
@jessallen7756 11 күн бұрын
Indy would have to get city noise ordinances to change first
@imagri1
@imagri1 22 күн бұрын
A decent size diesel generator would power those lights without issue.
@charlesherrington7597
@charlesherrington7597 2 ай бұрын
I’ve got to say I’ve lived in Alabama for 7 years and been going to Talladega for 27 years and I never knew that was why they never put lights in.
@since1961
@since1961 28 күн бұрын
Headlights, tail lights
@gordonmelling3443
@gordonmelling3443 2 ай бұрын
Will invest in the grid to have night racing
@lux4134
@lux4134 16 күн бұрын
why not mount a few chevys up and run the lights from inverters if thats the issue of power draw
@jacobjohnson4763
@jacobjohnson4763 13 күн бұрын
That’s not how things work. Power grids scale to need and lights are LED now using not a lot of power. Then consider that the power grid is at peak during the day when everyone is running the air conditioning, it would be easy to support lights at night.
@farmboy2454
@farmboy2454 Ай бұрын
I live in Lincoln Alabama 5 min from Talladega and it would be insane if there was a night race at Talladega but there power is Alabama power not anything else
@brianschaffer9220
@brianschaffer9220 Ай бұрын
When they were thinking of Charlotte night racing in the early 90s they should have put lights at talladega instead. I know hindsight is 20/20, but damn…with how night racing is at Daytona, having night racing there would have been just as if not more spectacular.
@icytoxic579
@icytoxic579 19 күн бұрын
NASCARs most insane comments are them only making left turns for hours in circles
@JVC1103
@JVC1103 2 ай бұрын
You think after 50 years they would find a way to fix this problem!
@skippingrhyme4386
@skippingrhyme4386 Ай бұрын
Bro Nascar could afford to put enough Industrial Generators on site to run the lights
@Steventhe2nd
@Steventhe2nd 2 ай бұрын
It's 2024 and they still have no lights, and they're too cheap to put non energy efficient lights on the track???? Pathetic..
@jimmyhall4453
@jimmyhall4453 14 күн бұрын
In other words, Alabama ain’t going build a sub station to light up the track… Plus some of the parties in the infield at night are legendary & there’s way more than racin that people go there for
@PremierPrep
@PremierPrep 2 ай бұрын
Even with improvements in modern LED's?
@SpeedLe3gendGaming
@SpeedLe3gendGaming 2 ай бұрын
aww man
@sgtpepper6379
@sgtpepper6379 2 ай бұрын
So we can't run some lights but they want all cars to go electric? Genius.
@ricksanchezsflask8794
@ricksanchezsflask8794 11 күн бұрын
I know why they don't: Shaaaake....and BAKE!
@josephisvr2947
@josephisvr2947 18 күн бұрын
I just think of the moive 😂
@MilesCobbett
@MilesCobbett Ай бұрын
Are you saying there are not generators big enough to power up the track lights?
@SOU6900
@SOU6900 Ай бұрын
There's more to it than just having generators that are big enough.
@cornholio47
@cornholio47 2 ай бұрын
So is that why gateway always loses power
@Panterakat1
@Panterakat1 16 күн бұрын
Nonsense: There are plenty of lights at Talladega, The county has 2 different power plants. If you have stayed at the park for a race, you would know cars run well into the night before the race.
@noblejennette2101
@noblejennette2101 7 күн бұрын
Ah, Alabama, just exactly as you imagine it.
@mono-no-aware.Lem.
@mono-no-aware.Lem. 2 ай бұрын
Nahhhh I’m not buying it. Darlington SC is one of the poorest counties in all of America and they’ve had lights no problem for 20 years now
@geoffwallick
@geoffwallick 2 ай бұрын
Please, They could light that whole track with generators.
@Joshodgesr
@Joshodgesr 2 ай бұрын
It stands to reason that the title "Talladega Nights" is an inside joke.
@tylerdaniel3505
@tylerdaniel3505 2 ай бұрын
Solar & wind powered lights? We only race there twice and year and if only one is a night race, are you saying the other 360 something days, you couldn’t gather and save enough sunlight and wind powered energy to use for a couple hours to light the track? 🤔
@everyonesfavoritesejong
@everyonesfavoritesejong 2 ай бұрын
Didn't they name a whole movie after this
@BA-gn3qb
@BA-gn3qb 15 күн бұрын
Can't light up a race track, how can they charge EVs?
@OfficialLeBear
@OfficialLeBear 2 ай бұрын
Solar panels?
@neildewitt2869
@neildewitt2869 Ай бұрын
NASCAR hasn't has a race in Talladega since restricted plates and bump draftingwas taken away. It's so sad. I grew up watching and participating in racing now nothing! It's so sad!
@nilsgraham7978
@nilsgraham7978 2 ай бұрын
Either soloar power or wind turbines look at daytona lights
@user-uu1uq8bc1w
@user-uu1uq8bc1w 2 ай бұрын
Why not solar light since Thay want to go green
@MeITellYou
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They don't make enough money from a nascrap race to afford lighting. Musco has plenty of lighting and generators capable of doing the job, but they don't work for free.
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