"convenient" is important. Where I currently life, the public transportation system is needlessly complicated with many "nice" option "for different customers" creating a situation where locals use a monthly/annual subscription and tourist... I can not explain a tourist what ticket is best for them. "Typically" for two person, it the "five person day pass ticket for the network" is the best option, but... if you do not understand why a ticket for 5 persons is the best and often cheapest option for two people, you can try to understand the point system or just use the "pay per ride system". If that is to simple, you can use "special offer tickets". Offcourse, you can also combine a "network pass" with a "pay per ride" ticket to reach your end destination, but then you might be cheaper off using the "special offer tickets for weekends" that is valid for 4 people and the bigger network. Confused? Yeah, here a discounts for students and other groups, that only apply to certain products on offer.

@@sarowie I hear that. At this time and age convenience is the selling point. If you use the public transport a lot there are quite a few choices for month/3month/yearly subscription that is paired with your credit card or dedicated ID. If you only travel occasionally, there are wireless payment terminals at each door in a tram/bus/whatever and you just use your card or phone when entering and leaving. You are then billed at the end of the day depending on how much public transport you used, capped at like 3€ if you use it all day.

@@cubiss1273 May I ask in which city you live?

@@random8149 Sure. I live in Brno, Czechia :)

@@cubiss1273 Nice city! I heard there is a famous university there, and a weapons factory

Tbh, the fare system in Japan is way too complex to have a turnstile less system

Their turnstiles are always open

I've lived in Japan for 4 years. It's basically the same thing with those Suica cards. Most of the time no one is checking if you scanned one. For the metro, some smaller stations don't even have staff there. It's a massive city well-connected to other prefectures so the zones are necessary. Tapping with Suica gives you a small discount and avoids buying separate tickets for transfers. They're also very understanding if you made a mistake. I once lost my very expensive bullet train ticket and managed to explain it at the gate by telling them my seat number. For reserved seats they don't check tickets, they do a headcount. Basically it's an honestly system with high compliance and the main reason for the design of ticket gates in Tokyo is for passenger convenience and handling a massive number of people. They have a museum exhibition showing that Tokyo would have queues backed up at the gate and it wouldn't cope with the capacity of the trains if they used the old 3-pronged turnstiles.

Something interesting I experienced in Seoul was that they have gates, which are usually in the open position. Usually you just scan your card (or ticket, but the cards are just so useful and cheap that why not) and walk through, no problems. However if you have the audacity to try and walk through without scanning (or just funble miss the scanner like I did...), a flap from each side roughly between knee and waist height pops out and stops you as you try to walk through, and I'd imagine that it might catch people off guard if it's their first time doing it, it certainly makes you look like a bit of a fool. It's my favorite kind of enforcement: it looks like you can cheat, but if you try, it stops you right in your tracks after you have decided to do it, and makes a little example of you for both you and yourself to be ashamed at Oh and did I forget to mention it's almost as efficient as if there were no gates at all? It even solves ticketing between different lines / companies, by having a transfer gate between lines.

@@ninjaz5736 It's basically the same system in Tokyo (and in my experience Taipei. Hong Kong, and Singapore too). When the gates close on someone it's usually a minor inconvenience to hold up the queue but I wouldn't assume they're trying to avoid paying a fare. More often they've forgotten to top-up their card or renew a commuter pass (there's a fare adjustment machine in the gates to fix it). Occasionally in pre-covid times it was a tourist fumbling their tickets. Compliance is so high that I think staff are mainly there to give directions and monitor security issues.

It may not be your first language, but you sure type like it is

@@eclogite awww thank you :)

Ah, but you see, if the frequency of the checks is too low respect to the cost of the fine, it may just be less expensive to just pay the random fine

@@Beregorn88 Not in viennas case. in my 12 weeks of being in vienna for a course i got controlled at least 4 times. i think its about 100 euros if they get you. So if you live in vienna it's better to just get a card if you don't get around in your car. (Which is a nightmare there, especially parking.. Park & Ride is my best friend there.)

Honestly in my city theres almost never ticket checks but everyone still buys tickets. Even though ive never seen anyone fined, they just had to walk off with the auditers and buy a ticket for the next bus/monorail

Yeah, probably learn something, right? Is this more of that European socialism I hear about? Where you break a rule and they fix you so you enjoy life more and stop breaking rules?

@@BenjiQ575 If that's what their idea of rehabilitation is, I wouldn't mind becoming an EU citizen.

That would be better than having to pay a big fine, or even jail time for fare evasion.

In Czechia, each region has their own transport authority whom sets the rules, but all of the systems are either zone or zone-relational tariffs (zones being what most people are used to from London etc., meanwhile zone-relational calculates how many km the zones are apart and calculates a fare based on that). If you don't wanna mess with how to use a zone-relational tariff (and it's really easy, just say from where to where you're going, because 1 zone == 1 city/town), you can buy a daily/weekly/monthly pass for the entire region - this is actually really nice for going on trips and stuff, generally ends up being cheaper and has a lot less hassle than regular tickets. The main advantage of having a regional transport authority, is that you don't have to check what operator operates which route, the ticket is valid for all forms of transport, whether it be buses, trains, or even boats. We have also recently gotten OneTicket, which is a national ticket system spanning across regions and operators. The issue with it is that it's only meant for rail and usually ends up being ever-so-slightly more expensive on routes where you don't switch operators, but it adds a layer of simplicity to rail transit, which is a thing that we've needed for a while now.

It also depends on location. In my city, the checks are usually done on the border of the city center. The tickets are free for all registered residents of the city though, so... the only people who are in danger are tourists and transfer students

@@Yorick257 That is somewhat touchy. As a tourist, it is sometimes hard to understand the maps, zoning, ticket options and validities. Especially, when a network has decided to use a mix of "start and destination" and "zones" as in: The tickets are for zones, but the ticket dispenser is asking for "start and destination", but then again prints out "zones".

in vienna, that would make no sense since they control in stations of the subway and not in the trains. (Different for trams and busses)

But, even if you pay, you'll remain anxious through the whole trip with the fear of losing you ticket. I traveled to Vancouver, which has that system, and I hated it.

Why don't you just use cards? Paper tickets are so outdated.

That's defo not the case. Within cities they'd usually have them, and the big commuter towns might, but once you get out into residential areas (or even just non-main stations in smaller cities) there's usually none in sight. However, those routes are the ones that usually get ticket checks on the train itself.

In the Tyne and Wear metro in Newcastle upon Tyne the barriers are often deactivated.

Yeah thats the case at big stations but on the smaller village county trains there are non. I never buy tickets for my 2 hour riud trip commute each way each day and never get caugh5

Completely true and tickets are rarely checked.

I'd assume it depends where you live and how much space they have for turnstiles. Here in Seattle, we have a similar set up. They randomly check everybody on the train.

Being an anxious driver, and with increasing gas prices. My dream is to live in a place like this.

@@co2_os that's why walkable cities and good public transport are important

Tomorrow Austria will also start something called "climate ticket", where you pay around 1000€ a year and then you can use about every public transport in Austria, including the transport systems in cities.

365 € is what gets you around 2 months worth of public transport in major German cities

Prague's season ticket is 144€, and the quality of the system is very much comparable with Vienna (though it is smaller)

Yes, he did. He finally did.

I STRONGLY DISAGREE! Being as famous as I am on KZfaq, I know that it gets hard to read every comment I get. I try my best, but I am just so famous, that I can't do it much longer. Sorry, dear thekd

its been 3 weeks stfu

It's literally only been 3 weeks

@@Laittth ya and now he has his password

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Isn't it mandatory by law (in US it's ADA) to mount lifts there?

​​@@MsZiomalloNot when the station was built pre-ADA. They do have to add them at major renovation time. About 25% have them.

The stations without stairs should have wheelchair accessible entry: I can see there's not a lot of point installing wheelchair accessible entry that only leads to stairs, but when that not the issue then surely ADA applies?

Not all of Europe unfortunately - this is more of a German thing

not really, the people in Buenos Aires just need to pay the damn fare.

@@Septimus_ii German? pfff

@@BOMBI77766 why pay for fares when the government constantly fucks you over, is corrupt, and the transportation sucks anyways? They can suck a fat one if they think I’m giving them another cent

@@metaplays9817 get over it

....is that Jersey law? I live in Pittsburgh and damn I just want to be careful lol. We have a lovely tram system

@@3bydacreekside less a state law and more a function of how the fare collection system works. Light rails in particular generally don't have the infrastructure to physically force riders from needing to enter the train through specific gates via all-around fencing because the system is not physically enclosed -- compare to, e.g., the NYC subway where all access to the trains via stations is controllable via walls or elevated platforms.

Yeah same in Minnesota and California, in my experience. This isn't unusual

He did mention Porto in the video, but that is neat!

Same in Germany. It's just more efficient

Yes! I knew there would be someone else that knows about Porto!

Lisbon just does high things 🤷‍♂️

Same in Ireland, most of the time no one checks your ticket unless your taking a really busy route

Now that I think about it, neither have I.

but I'm pretty sure that the fare evasion rate is higher than in Vienna

@@gotofalograce9926 which might be due to the fact that the Deutsche Bahn is simply a piece of crap. Maybe this is only true for my city and its vicinitiy, but over here you consider yourself lucky if the train is less than 10 minutes late. I avoid it wherever I can, but when I have to use it, I’m basically preparing myself for waiting a good 20 minutes more than what the schedule says.

@@luchusemann2839 The ÖBB also got it's problems but is usually a reliable form of transport. And the inefficency of the DB is known beyond german borders.

@@luchusemann2839 That's what you get when you try to optimize away wasteful redundancies to save money. Apparently, the redundancy is a necessity to have some reserve in unforeseen cases. McKinsey's consultants seem to believe that you can have a system that runs at nearly 100% efficiency and still has reserves, and they don't see the contradiction.

That also lets to funny experiences in Germany, where certain tickets (but not all) need to be "entwertet" (literally invalided, but meaning "validated" as in "time stamped to become valid") before starting your journey.

@@sarowie the worst is Berlin, where you get a ticket, hop on the train and then realize there is nowhere to stamp your ticket. Apparently you have to do it before getting on. And they don't put the stamping machine next to the ticket machine. No, they hide it at the other end of the bloody platform. I swear, Berlin's system is designed to make tourists pay 60€ on top of the ticket price.

As someone living in Vienna, for me it was the total opposite when I went to Rome! I was like: wot ze fack is zis bullshit. Please just let me enter the train lmao.

Also, public transport in Rome sucks, it's disgusting and dirty, would not recommend. Love my viennese public transport though. 💗

I mean to be honest with yall we do have a ticket stamping machine at the entrance of the stations where you validate your ticket so technically there is something Inbetween but you can just pass through there is no kind of blockage whatsoever

are they, per chance, dressed in yellow?

@@iuriepripa3171 They are usually incognito, sometimes in a black or yellow reflective vest. The name comes from the color of the ribbons on their hats they used to wear

It used to be that you stamped the tickets ourself with a constantly changing pin pattern on the bus or trolley. Then they changed to ink time stamps.

Then the railed Hussars arrived

Does that mean if something is not right (eg gas leak), they are the first to die, as a warning for the customers? "Canary in a coal mine," if you would.

This system is used by many railway companies in Europe. In my experience, at least in Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary, Austria and Czechia. In Croatia, on the suburban line in Zagreb, I can usually travel for about 3-5 stations without having my ticket inspected, especially during rush hour.

Same for SEPTA in Philly.

@@2712animefreak yep, I'm Czech and this is definitely the case. In trains there's usually an inspector walking around, inspecting and marking the tickets. Some stations don't even sell tickets, so you may have to buy it on the train from the inspector, which means you travel free if they don't reach you in time. Though I usually didn't face that, as I just bought monthly tickets to get to school, and those basically give you unlimited rides on the chosen section.

I chose that kind of turnstile intentionally because NYC is the typical turnstile jumping location in my mind. Before seeing films set in NYC, I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone jump a turnstile.

Why do i always see your comments everywhere

@@Tapakapa It's a real problem here. And the funny thing is, on select buses, which is NYC's approximation of BRT, we do have off-board fare collection where you have to get a receipt prior to boarding and fare evasion is far lower. The reason they don't do it on the subway is because some stations get so crowded during rush hour, it would be practically impossible to enforce.

mta deserves it

The MTA decided the easiest thing to do was to hire literal thousands of cops to stand around and enforce fares rather than just cut the fare.

Surfliner they check it (almost) every time. Metrolink they really don’t care.

For Los Angeles it really depends on where in the system you are. Going through union station at high commute time on a regular basis, I would say I had my card checked once or twice a week. But on the more distant stations of the light rail lines, I find it very rare that there are any ticket checks. With Metrolink it seems to depend on how the conductor is feeling that day. The Surfliner checks them consistently, except in cases where the train is crowded to the point of standing room only.

heavily discounted

he is, but more Wiener Schnitzel

While I think one could make the case for Vienna having high amounts of trust, I'm not sure it would be accurate to describe it as a homogenous population and claim that to be the root cause of this. In terms of religion, different types of Christianity as well as islam are presnt in large numbers. Ethnically, large amounts of people initially from the Balkans, Germany, and turkey are in Vienna - again very heterogenous. In terms of population growth, the city has grown about half a million since 2000; a figure that is often thrown around is that over half the population has some degree of migrant background. I would suspect that the success of the Viennese transport system has more to do with how it is run. The city of Vienna seems to be unafraid of less market oriented policy (it has one of the largest social housing stocks in Europe) and I get the impression it tends to approach things like transport in a more government-intervention sort of way than other cities.

Those also exist in Vienna. At least two years ago when I was last there. I still have four stripes left on my 8 day ticket...

Buying a ticket is just easyer

Well unless you have 62% of a toaster lying around, you are out of luck.

I guess the trains haven't been running on time for a while now

And in Wellington we just have officers walking throughout the train between stops to check tickets and Snappers while it’s in motion

~3.6% fare evasion in Prague's public transport. Considering the Czech mentality, that's an unexpectedly good result, and apparently it keeps dropping every year. I guess that the availability of SMS payments and discounted long-term tickets/cards (Lítačka) had a significant effect on this.

cursed name

*CRY IN THE ABANDONED AREAS*

unless you are a yank in which case it's best you stick to the central line.

How did you get here yesterday?

If I had to guess, Patreon

@@thatdude9091 makes sense

As a person from the northern-balkans country of Hungary who visited London.. ...your public transport was a big letdown. We expected to find somethjng nice considering how long your undergound eail systems are and how long ytime you had to improve on them. Nope! - prices sky high - teensy-weensy rail carriages, where you can barely stand upright without banging your head - not even remotely enough of them to serve to population - worse fucking hygenie than what we have on our public transport - and thats a BIG fucking achievement.

@@martonlerant5672 Being so old, is what causes so many problems, as it was built with much less people in mind. It's much harder to upgrade the rail network than to build it right in the first place. We have the same problems with our sewers aswell.

@@samuelsmith2707 Budapest was the second city in the world to have an underground railway, yet M1 is neither dirty or crowded.

@@samuelsmith2707 Issue isnt the age of the oldest parts of the network. That was clear both in London - and here in Budapest on our oldest line (dating from 1894). The issue is no new lines since the 1990s - as London didn't stop growing, unlike its undergound rail system. ...and ofc. lack of maintenance. Not cleaning the thing, and leaving it in a decrepit state has nothing to do with its age.

Ther are more annual pass holders every year than drivers 2019 852.000 year tickets

A fellow JAFFA?

@@TomorrowWeLive Nope, a Wellingtonian

Common in most of the US! I live in Denver too but it’s the same in Charlotte or Houston as well

yeah pretty much the same for the TRAX in salt lake as well I believe

i've been living in vienna for 2 years and use public transportation every day, so far i've only been checked once

19 years in Greece never been checked xD mostly ticket-less

~5 years in Dublin never checked

Turnstiles on busses are pure evil! The bus either has to stand for a good couple of minutes or leave a lot of people behind during rush hours

Train stations in Belgium and the Netherlands were a bit confusing with an Interrail ticket, I think you couldn't use it to open the turnstiles.

@@jakedotnet i myself only have experience with the OV-chipkaart, but I think you should be able to scan the tickets too

@@jakedotnet if you're coming from Germany to Arnhem the conductor gives you a paper with a QR code to scan that will open the barriers 10 times. So you don't need to ask again next time. With an interrail ticket you hit the assistance button and talk to someone on the other side and they'll remotely open the gate for you

Besides, hardly anyone uses physical tickets anymore here. It's very convenient to scan your universal travel card at departure and destination and have the system charge your balance the correct amount automatically, train transfers included (given you don't transfer between different providers). Route planning can be done easily through an app or website, which shows alternative door-to-door routes, associated trip durations, pricing and more.

I've seen forced gates in NL quite often though. They're more fragile than those turnstiles. Personally I was and still am offended that I have to through such a cattle gate. I am not a cow and I do not appreciate being treated like one. And now I understand it is not just more expensive but also less effective? Now I am not just offended but also disappointed.

How often do people watch videos before they buy a turnstile for their business?

@@richardavsmith Just got one today. Works well, now I can get money from people using the toilet in my house.

@@TheNoGamer44 What's your ROI?

But... But.... This is communism..... And communism is bad!!!! (Sarcasm) Also poor people tha they really need it are going to use use it... And you can not have that....

That would probably be quite expensive for the tax payer especially if it means that rail-based transport is free aswell which is why tiny countries like Luxembourg can only really get away with it since their network is so small and subsidising free public transport is only slightly more than subsidising paid transport. It would especially be hard to implement if public transport was operated mostly by private operators in a free-market like it is with bus transport outside of London & Northern Ireland in the UK where companies compete on price and the best service, you make it all free and then there is essentially no need for competiton or really any private operators in the market so over time, service levels degrade in value as subsidies fall

That is basically the intention between the turnstileless system as well. I'd we willing to bet that due to sampling bias (noone checks tickets in 16. and 10th districts and less checks at non-peak (work-based) times) and survivorship bias (people with neither money nor ticket hide, run, fight or are simply let off) there's more like 5% of people going ticketless on any given day. There are people who are strategic about avoiding controls and skipping fares as well (I used to be one between being eligible for the extremely cheap school ticket and the still laughably cheap student ticket.) So factoring in time of day, the fact that "human turnstile" controls are only easily implemented at certain sub stations, remoteness and type of public transport as well as where you enter within a vehicle (leave plenty of people left and right so they get caught or have to fumble their ticket out which gives you time to slip away).

@@wclifton968gameplaystutorials You can save a lot of money on infrastructure maintenance, since rail based transport has much lower maintenance costs than car infrastructure and you still need to move the roughly same number of people roughly the same distance. Not to mention that transport is a trivial factor in a country's budget. I looked up the numbers for The Netherlands (because those numbers are easy to find) and infrastructure & watermanagement is about 3% of the government budget, or 13 billion (9 zeroes). about 2% of that 13 billion is rail while road maintenance and expansion costs are about 25% of that 13 billion. If you make trains free in the Netherlands, that would cost 3.94 billion each year (= operating costs of the privatized Dutch rail), making rail cost about 1% of the national budget. So if the reduced strain on the road network is 1/25th of the current road maintenance costs, then you're breaking even. If it is more, you're making a profit. And that's not even mentioning that rail is much cheaper and simpler to scale up than car traffic, nor that the entrance gates are not free so not having to pay for those would save a bit of money too.

Ehdli sach min fründ

No

Switzerland is mostly an exception on everything lol, y'all live nice

That's the challenge, innit.

@@Tapakapa Damn, how else should I toast my 0,28 bread?

Same in the Netherlands.

I think fare doging is much more common, even with the frequent ticket checks The issue is price and ease of use 70€/month for a transit pass that only goes around 3km from the city center, is too expensive and not worthwhile

Thank you, my third favorite viewer ^_^

@@Tapakapa 🥺

@@earicsohtun7202 congratulations

Isn't there an annual student pass in Vienna? Just wanted to know as I would be moving there at the end of the month as a student

@@rasputinepidemi5096 i had a student pass later on, it was about 100€ per year but only works for one region like Vienna for example.

@@advancedlemon9314 if it works in Vienna that's more than enough for me lol thanks for the info

No then you just tell the controller that you have forgotten it he rights you a piece of paper and tells you to bring yours to the ticket office the next day.

This actually happened to me a few days ago. I just opened my app and bought a new semester ticket before I left the station. :D

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