Why These F1 Wing Designs Were Banned

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Why These F1 Wing Designs Were Banned

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F1 is a tech testbed where teams have always strived to push their cars to the limits by improving their aerodynamics, often by adding new components. But sometimes, these new parts can have negative effects, are deemed dangerous, or are just downright ugly. Enter the FIA to sort things out and get it BANNED.
In this first episode of a brand new series, "Banned", we take a look at the various banned wing tech we've seen on F1 cars. From X-Wings to midwings, to Viking horns and everything in between.
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@twandepan 4 жыл бұрын

Team: look at our new design! FIA: Good idea. It's banned right away!

@DjDolHaus86 4 жыл бұрын

Team: Well if you're going to be like that then why not just give us identical cars? FIA: Because we don't want to stifle innovation. Team: ....

@ivangamer8022 3 жыл бұрын

Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better you brainlet.

@evann5451 3 жыл бұрын

@@ivangamer8022 The ability to speak does not make you intelligent

@dr.science_0177 3 жыл бұрын

@@evann5451 the ability to type doesn't make you intelligent either

@evann5451 3 жыл бұрын

@@dr.science_0177 Who asked you?

@EmilForsberg_GRYBO 4 жыл бұрын

Random midfield team: finally, i've spent millions of dollar and months of research trying to create aurodynamic devices that aren't illegal in the sport, and now their here! Maybe our team can turn things around after all. FIA: Well yes, but actually no...

@Mattsretiring 4 жыл бұрын

100% Remember Brawn and the double diffusers? Classic FIA

@EmilForsberg_GRYBO 4 жыл бұрын

@@Mattsretiring well, perhaps not that perticular example. They got to keep it. But it does happen many other times

@emmata98 4 жыл бұрын

@@EmilForsberg_GRYBO but banned from the next season onwards. They are kind of restricting aerodynamical research... Don't like this, especially since there will be a budget cap, witch should even more encurage new designs.

@ivangamer8022 3 жыл бұрын

Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better you brainlet.

@emmata98 3 жыл бұрын

@@ivangamer8022 just no...

@Ero_Hentai 4 жыл бұрын

Which design should we ban? FIA: *YES*

@squeakers27 4 жыл бұрын

2000's Ferrari: _we strongly suggest you remove that_

@ivangamer8022 3 жыл бұрын

Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better you brainlet.

@Ero_Hentai 3 жыл бұрын

@@ivangamer8022 Yes you are correct.

@squabbbb 4 жыл бұрын

I propose a new racing series: Fauxmula 1! It's the same as Formula 1 but we throw all the bans out and give each team a fixed budget and see what they can make

@Dat-Mudkip 4 жыл бұрын

I think "Formula X" would be a better title. Wait, shit, somebody already named a nail polish "Formula X"...

@SchloopDeFloop 4 жыл бұрын

I second this

@ben_1 4 жыл бұрын

Yes! Also, create a version if the olympics with no doping control. I want to see what a human is capable of with no limitations.

@anthonycondon5833 4 жыл бұрын

There's formula libre, but without the big money of a big championship it's not worth spending a billion dollars a year on aero development. CanAm racing in the 70s was that kinda spirit, but the cars got so bananas they would just kill people. It can be hard to understand why a lot of aero stuff gets banned on 'safety grounds' but you've got to remember the forces involved are *massive* and if something goes dodgy mid-corner then cars end up in grandstands (see 80s ground effect). WEC is a lot more open, but only Toyota are willing to spend the money on it. I'm really looking forward to the return to ground effect in F1 now we've got the tech to do it safely. I like the lines of my racing cars sexy, not looking like a space station, but that's just me :) I do totally understand your desire for crazy tech battles though, it is one of my favourite parts of motorsport :)

@anthonycondon5833 4 жыл бұрын

@@ben_1 That exists. Google: 'tour de france' ;)

@davidhytha670 4 жыл бұрын

FIA: those winglets will obstruct the drivers view! Also FIA: H A L O

@1m3agle 4 жыл бұрын

Except the halo improves safety drastically

@eon_mp4 4 жыл бұрын

The HALO barely affects visibility if at all

@davidhytha670 4 жыл бұрын

@@1m3agle I know just tryna lighten the mood

@filmandfirearms 4 жыл бұрын

The halo actually doesn't limit visibility at all. It's this funny thing with your eyes where it basically just becomes a blurry shape unless you focus on it. It's the same reason an Eotech sight doesn't hamper visibility

@ljgarrison6910 4 жыл бұрын

@@filmandfirearms "at all" can you explain this a bit better, i'm struggling. As a bug on my visor sure affects mine.

@Chalky. 4 жыл бұрын

Ironically there's no Red Bulls in this list.

@jamielonsdale3018 3 жыл бұрын

Under-rated!

@jonnyscott8910 4 жыл бұрын

Team:what a great idea FIA:it's banned

@ivangamer8022 3 жыл бұрын

Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better you brainlet.

@y_fam_goeglyd 4 жыл бұрын

I'll be honest, I actually loved the X-wing idea. Tyrrell's was by far the best. They should have only banned the detachable ones.

@berniepfitzner487 4 жыл бұрын

I also loved the X-wing. Those 1998 era cars looked a bit simple without them but it will still be my favourite era regardless

@Leopardo_Bianco 4 жыл бұрын

During the time, I didn't like the.. But now I appreciate them.

@canehdiansteve3455 4 жыл бұрын

I agree. If they were properly braced and integrated into the body of the car they wouldn't be any more of a safety risk than any other wing currently in use. It was those questionably skinny mounts that simply bolted onto the body that were concerning.

@MintyGT 4 жыл бұрын

I noticed this with a lot of bans. One team will do something in a way that's doesn't impact safety, but then another team does it in a way that is dangerous. So the FIA will ban the concept outright instead of just banning the unsafe implementation. It's frustrating to watch but it happens so often.

@deeznoots6241 3 жыл бұрын

Eh they make the cars look absolutely silly

@negative-kun7703 4 жыл бұрын

2:38 the original Halo

@TheRomanRuler 4 жыл бұрын

That one did not even affect visibility, just like Halo today.

@robertjusic9097 4 жыл бұрын

More like TALO

@trentwerner366 4 жыл бұрын

TheRomanRuler Yet it was banned and the Halo is not banned. FIA: iF wE DiDNt ThUnK oF IT fIRsT, We bAN!

@jamielonsdale3018 3 жыл бұрын

If Romain Grosjean had needed to trust his life to that thing, he'd have died.

@outhdare 4 жыл бұрын

4:02 That Ferrari actually qualified for that 1982 Long Beach race with a standard wing. However, they got the green light to race with a new wing, only to be disqualified after the race by the complaint made by Ken Tyrrell, since his driver Alboretto finished 5th and he wanted one extra point for 4th place. Villeneuve was the best turbo driver on a racetrack that does not favor turbos. Such a shame that Ferrari was taking a gamble to prove a point which no one remembers anymore. Anyway, one of the classic races with Lauda's comeback, which propelled Rosberg in the chamiponship contention which he would eventually win, marred only by the disqualification of otherwise excelent Gilles Villeneuve.

@friggincanvee 4 жыл бұрын

What was the point Ferrari were wanting to prove?

@filmandfirearms 4 жыл бұрын

@@friggincanvee About the ridiculous pushing of the regulations, with teams exploiting loopholes everywhere

@Leopardo_Bianco 4 жыл бұрын

Well, Rosberg wasn't really in contention till the end of the championship. What propelled him was Pironi's accident several races before the end of the championship, of which if he got few more points, rosberg wouldn't had caught him in the title race while Pironi was in hospital.

@AjayV84 4 жыл бұрын

McLaren Viking horns were badass

@j_kazi9462 4 жыл бұрын

This is going to be a great series. Whenever I think of banned innovations in F1 I always think of the 3rd pedal in the MP4/12

@mindujiman 4 жыл бұрын

It's a same FIA bans everything that looks innovative. That's why today all cars looks the same and the small teams can't reach the bigger ones.

@PeRRXX 4 жыл бұрын

That’s kinda the FIAs job. They don’t want loopholes.

@Sp4mMe 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe with loser regulations a small team once a century would hit on something amazing and win a championship. But ... that's not realistically going to happen, as it'd just make the big teams even more likely of finding advantages that others won't and driving even further away from the rest. Nostalgia is all well and good but you can't turn back to clock to times when F1 designers didn't understand aerodynamics. Also, incidentally, don't exaggerate on the "banning everything". Just look at how different F1 cars are nowadays from back then; clearly they do not ban everything.

@Dat-Mudkip 4 жыл бұрын

@@Sp4mMe They ban anything that's practical...or, in the case of DRS, mandate it.

@ivangamer8022 3 жыл бұрын

Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better than before you brainlet.

@TeemoQuinton 3 жыл бұрын

@@PeRRXX A majority of the things they've banned aren't loopholes - ground effect, winglets, front wing, flexible wing, fiddle brake, etc etc

@GregzVR 4 жыл бұрын

The X-Wings were banned on PURE aesthetics, despite what the official reasoning was, and I was ALL for it at the time!

@anonincognito617 4 жыл бұрын

FIA: If it's ugly, it's unsafe.

@TheVeyron623 4 жыл бұрын

@@anonincognito617 Well... there was the time something (a wheel gun's cord I think?) got tangled up in a Sauber's X-Wing and tore it clean off. So yeah, there _was_ something unsafe about them.

@perfectlap9379 4 жыл бұрын

Explain the halo 😁

@filmandfirearms 4 жыл бұрын

@@perfectlap9379 Are you trying to say it's ugly? Because you clearly haven't seen how the teams have incorporated them into the design of the car

@eternalemperorvalkorion750 4 жыл бұрын

Meerkat More f1 cars past 2014 just look ugly in general and the halo just makes them worse. Not to mention they genuinely feel less powerful then a Renault R26. My best in a r26 around spa 1:49 best in a 2018 red bull was 2-3 seconds slower. I don’t know why but the F1 cars of the 00s were just so much better.

@ljgarrison6910 4 жыл бұрын

"Obstructs drivers vision" Now we have a literal rod 12inches from the drivers face..

@deerlord2363 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but it doesn't obstruct the driver's view. Lando Norris has said that you don't even notice it. It's kinda like your nose, it's there, but becomes invisible when you're looking beyond it.

@martijnkosters9024 4 жыл бұрын

I love each and every one of these oddities, long may they continue to pop up.

@KitKata507 4 жыл бұрын

Don’t be stupid, that would be fun and the fia don’t want that.

@f1muffin643 4 жыл бұрын

How many designs do you want to ban? FIA: Yes

@ivangamer8022 3 жыл бұрын

Fia it's actually helping innovation. Banning cool systems it put's those awesome european equipes to invent new systems even better than before you brainlet.

@csp6 4 жыл бұрын

I remember at least one occasion where an X wing was ripped off leaving the pits on another teams gantry - not the safest place to lose some bodywork.

@trentwerner366 4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the other teams gantry was in an unsafe spot to me, not the x wing...

@matsimmo6208 4 жыл бұрын

It was a Sauber that had it torn off

@deerlord2363 4 жыл бұрын

@@trentwerner366 All the teams that used the x wings had a hard time when refueling because those stupid things were on the way. It was just a matter of time till disaster happened... Glad they got them banned.

@trentwerner366 4 жыл бұрын

Deer Lord All the teams that Raced men inside gasoline powered metal things around tight tracks at insane speeds had a hard time staying safe. It was just a matter of time til disaster happened... Glad they got them banned.

@DanTheCaptain 4 жыл бұрын

The viking horns and nose winglets are still so cool!

@thedj9553 4 жыл бұрын

If the Brabham fan car doesn’t appear in this series...

@mewtwo.150 3 жыл бұрын

2008 BMW and McLaren nose winglets are the only ones that I liked, also the Viking Horns McLaren and BMW used to have

@Gigidag77 4 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who thinks they looked amazing on the '97 Tyrell ? I always picked that car in the N64 game because of them, lol

@MikuFan3931 4 жыл бұрын

2:37 I almost thought that was the first Halo.

@HECKproductions 4 жыл бұрын

i remember seeing the 6 wheeler for the first time in the nikki lauda and james hunt themed movie rush and i was like HOLD ON i need to google that...

@sporehux8344 4 жыл бұрын

Seems more like Red Tape racing more than "Grand Prix",.

@erikcarrillo7378 3 жыл бұрын

I wanna see a Formula X where every team is free to innovate to their hearts content within a more relaxed rule set. The cars can only be so long and tall and wide and all the teams have the same budget that's it. I wanna see what engineers and designers can really do to push the technology forward.

@SerjBassist 4 жыл бұрын

The T-Wings of 2017, placed at the top of the shark fins. For 2018 the fins were gone, and so were the wings.

@isaacsmith2224 4 жыл бұрын

Talking to one of the Sauber team members when they ran the “twin towers”: “They were pointless and we just wanted to see what other teams would do when we came in with them, they provided no benefits to us whatsoever” -Sauber team member who taught one of my engineering classes

@Dat-Mudkip 4 жыл бұрын

If that's true, then that's a such a smartass move. I absolutely love it!

@officialWWM 4 жыл бұрын

Mercedes: look at our cool new steering innovation. FIA. Does it work? Mercedes: Yes, works great. FIA: Well then. No.

@dnegel9546 3 жыл бұрын

Wish there was a racing series with no rules. And all focus being that of fastest possible laptime. For now stadium supertrucks will do. 😀

@willbennett7508 4 жыл бұрын

There better be a better pub quiz this Friday

@Exodon2020 4 жыл бұрын

5:25 These winglets were one of the few to actually look kinda cool.

@NoahBClark15 4 жыл бұрын

Another series from Autosport that won't see a sequel for 500 years.

@AutosportOfficial 4 жыл бұрын

Oh ye of little faith...😉

@t0taalFrixx 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to see what the current F1 teams with their available resources could come up with if they were given vastly more freedom like Porsche did with the 919.

@kenopsia9013 4 жыл бұрын

Viking horns, skate fins and dumbo ears look kind of cool when you consider all the other pokey awkward winglets on a modern f1 car

@bluebillbo 4 жыл бұрын

I never noticed the mirrors of Red Bull at 6:45 before

@billlittlecoverartist1551 4 жыл бұрын

A lot of the teams used this solution but if I'm right it was banned in the early stages of the 2011 season as drivers couldn't see the mirrors easily. I think I'm right

@dazleeders 4 жыл бұрын

@@billlittlecoverartist1551 Spain 2010 I believe

@IRISHBUTCHER 3 жыл бұрын

The viking horns looked bad ass

@declanthomas7159 4 жыл бұрын

Ferrari's "mirror supports" off the halo in '18 worth a mention?

@dyslexofficial2798 3 жыл бұрын

The Aero bits from 06-08 made the cars so much sexier. The Ferrari McLaren and BMWs were especially stunning.To bad the fia killed that.

@87TIG Жыл бұрын

Anything Lotus in that black and gold livery is a favorite of mine.

@Angry_Squirrel555 4 жыл бұрын

How about the T-wing, the Shark fin, the 2007(?) double front wings, blown diffusers, numerous brake and side pod aero winglets, the ground diffusers? The list goes on. Heck, just the said suggestions could probably be an entire video. You’re welcome.

@duxandrespasha 4 жыл бұрын

My favorite banned cars were the fan car by Brabham and the six wheel Tyrrell. In third place I would put the ground effect cars.

@kevinkoster4543 4 жыл бұрын

@Autosport, maybe the early 90’s rear-wing extensions used on low-downforce tracks. Or the smaller versions used by Minardi, Simtek and Forti during the mid-late 90’s

@geek49203 4 жыл бұрын

Aw c'mon. No mention of sliding skirts and all of that stuff? There was an "F1" prior to 1990 ya know....

@maxversthappening8166 4 жыл бұрын

It literally says “Wings” not “Any form of producing downforce”. They also literally talked about cars from before the 90s if you watched the video

@Latska 4 жыл бұрын

Viking horns were really cool and I like to think that they would be legal now if Honda hasn't introduce dumbo ears and all other crazy winglets. Hondas and BMW Saubers were just winglets on top of winglets and 2008 Honda F1 car is probably my least favourite looking racecar of all time (excluding 2014 cars).

@EpicGamer-kj1tj 3 жыл бұрын

0:00 this bit is my mums ringtone

@dylansmit3883 4 жыл бұрын

If I recall correctly Prost had to run with one X-Wing or Tower Wing at first. They were so eager to apply them they'd forgotten to clear the fuel flap.

@SilverScarletSpider 4 жыл бұрын

I like Viking horns, skate fins, and dumbo ears

@gabor6259 4 жыл бұрын

5:48 That red-black Ferrari is supersexy.

@IIGrayfoxII 4 жыл бұрын

Better than the orange one from 2019

@liammurray9274 4 жыл бұрын

while not a wing, an aerodynamic feature I miss are the long plates that connected the engine cover all the way to the rear wing, seen in 2010.

@davedavidson5166 4 жыл бұрын

Think you mean Wacky on the thumbnail guys. Small point but whacky isn’t actually a word

@antonioblack7780 4 жыл бұрын

Honda: "Let's set the tone for the 'How to Train Your Dragon' franchise." How to Train Your Dragon 3, the shape of the horn of that huge dragon that Meatlug's baby befriended: 6:23

@ramdobe9276 4 жыл бұрын

There should be a committee which should be chaired 1/3 rd by vetted team representatives, 1/3 rd by vetted car mechanics and engineers, 1/3 rd by FIA stewards. This committee will review the appeals of FIA to ban innovations of teams. This will be a fair and swift tool for F1, also will remove the dogmatic monopoly of FIA politics in the sport which will empower team’s innovations and give them more sense if control.

@HATECELL 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if those winglets in front of the driver (2:40) will make a comeback, now that we have the halo

@TippfehlerEN 4 жыл бұрын

FIA: HmMmMM twin towers? Oh yeah they obstruct vision Also FIA: hmMmMm Halos? Yeah this don’t obstruct vision Me: Halos, they are literally a pole in the middle of the goddamn car

@kevinkoster4543 4 жыл бұрын

Always wondered and hoped to see what a car would look like when all those banned wings would be on them. So X-wings, Mid-wing, double rear-wing, Bull horns, etc. Just to create a maximum downforce car. I know, it won’t get up to speed at all and it’s not like it’ll be any of a winner. But just some sort of aerodynamic funcar as you will. Don’t know if there are any designers on here or on sim-platforms, that’ll maybe want to create something like this for fun. I for one would be very grateful.

@peekster0 4 жыл бұрын

I thought that Arrows tabletop wing was weird.... Until I saw that Ferrari asymmetrical rear wing!

@insomniacbritgaming1632 3 жыл бұрын

Le Mans wear always the test bed for Car development... F1 is taking that technology and seeing what extremes these techs can be taken to... Hybrids have been in Le-Mans for the past 5-10 years. F1 have only had Hybrids for the past few seasons

@danielbbg6199 4 жыл бұрын

yo, they should have F1 ULTIMATE, in which they battle their brains more than their cars, let's see how thruly of a monster can a f1 get without ANY LIMITATION. i want to see 90* corners took at 300 km/h. they should be able to use fans to suck the air from the car, any kind of aero they want, any tires, just make the fastest possible f1 car, that would be even more insane than the f1 we got

@senorsoupe 4 жыл бұрын

Those late 90's x wings looked like someone attached two overhead projectors to the side of the cars!

@harrisonosirrah 4 жыл бұрын

I miss the shark fins of late 2018. Those were badass.

@thecodex0994 4 жыл бұрын

Are you going to do the F flap that McLaren used and the teams that followed esp with Alonso driving no handed at Circuit de Catalunya

@jamesengland7461 3 жыл бұрын

FIA=government bureaucracy. Both are similarly intense headaches.

@nosik673 2 жыл бұрын

You can only ban so much before everyone gives up. Obvs some things are 100% needed for safety. But others just ruin it. We would have some absolute monsters with less rules

@mrmactknife 4 жыл бұрын

I remember a crazy system used on the 1991 or 92 Benetton which was effectively a Le Man style in car jack, that Benetton believed would enable the car to make faster get aways off the start grid when it was dropped down onto the track with the wheels spinning. It was rubbish, and didn't work, but maybe worth a mention. Anyone else remember this?

@Sponge1310 4 жыл бұрын

The ‘Whale nose’ was a pretty inventive, at least Williams (or was it Sauber?) thought so...

@adogaruu 4 жыл бұрын

0:26 WTF is that?

@HECKproductions 4 жыл бұрын

is that a rhetorical question or did you watch with no sound??

@tompw3141 4 жыл бұрын

3:33 "aerodynamic understanding firmly in its infancy..." This was 1969, the first year the Boeing 747 flew. Aerodynamic understanding was nothing new!

@gtpliquid1290 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe not the understanding of aerodynamic principles was in its infancy but application of those principles towards downforce on a racetrack as opposed to lift on a runway was.

@hallo_welt_ag 3 жыл бұрын

1:29 Oh look! It's the Tosser!!

@mplsmike4023 4 жыл бұрын

What about the tea tray wings on the early-70s Marches? Shape sure doesn’t seem like the obvious choice.

@LW0001 2 жыл бұрын

Shame they put the Twin Tower wings on the Williams before Maldonado came around. They’d have doubled as crosshairs for him.

@hallamhal 4 жыл бұрын

I dont know, why was have big pointy objects jutting out the sides of +200mph cars banned?

@Dat-Mudkip 4 жыл бұрын

Because FIA dislikes -accidental murder- fun.

@Dat-Mudkip 4 жыл бұрын

6:08 FIA: **bans "Twin Towers" over driver visibility concerns** Also FIA: **introduces a giant pillar smack in the middle of a driver's POV** I understand that why the Halo is in place, and I don't disapprove it. I just would like to know why they made a big pillar in the middle of the driver's line of sight, instead of using two pillars off to the side.

@eliasredlich3425 4 жыл бұрын

The fact that it is in the middle doesnt actually obstruct a drivers view that much because of how our brain merges the images of both eyes to see around something. For example put your thumb like 10cm away from the center of your face and look at it, you should be able to see through it.

@Dat-Mudkip 4 жыл бұрын

@@eliasredlich3425 I dunno. It personally drives me nuts when I play Automoblista.

@Willie_Pete_Was_Here 4 жыл бұрын

Dat-Mudkip because when you play games it’s like you’re viewing everything with one eye