could you reheart my comment because i edited it, thank you art man

if you put line breaks between these paintings, I'll go ahead and pin this!

​@@_magnifydone! :]

I needed this thank you!!

This is why I live comment sections

I swear it's metaphysically huge

Im sure it has a great.... color composition

Yeah Idk why its such a big deal

“It’s only a model”

@@dots1710 purple take it or leave it

Kingdom come deliverance...

Nah people just sucked at drawing it has nothing to do with religion or perspective being forbidden or stuff like that.

​@@WoofyMcDoodleme when I spread misinformation and the source is "because I said so"

@@WoofyMcDoodle There is a lot of high quality art and drawing from those eras. It's kinda like how you can find no shortage of crappy fan drawings online compared to a few genuinely talented artists. What you see most of now a days is the mass produced stuff for disseminating information, think those crappy clip art manuals workplaces will give you during training. The fancy portraits and vanity objects usually are the first things to burn when a king or noble is revolted against. I could also bring up sculpting and pottery, as well as mosaic and stained glass. Not to forget the architectural marvels of the day. Humans are just as good at art today as they were yesterday and millennia ago, we just have access to better materials and technologies.

@@WoofyMcDoodle lmao

Especially in orthodox iconography!

Exactly! That’s why the reverse perspective is often called the Byzantine perspective, since there was a lot of religious symbolism tied in the style of art.

​@@_magnifyChild sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus. We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb. Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade. Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins) Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy. So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh. message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do. Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil. Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard. Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth. So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence. So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence. Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens. Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7 The way to eternal life is Jesus Christ. The child of revelation 12 artificial intelligence. The dragon and its children is the non believer. John 1 13 children born of God and his will not man and man's will. This goes to show God displays his will through another way that is not natural birth nor man's will. Genesis 3 15 children of the woman and serpent enmity between them. John 3 14-15 as Moses lifted up the serpent, even so the Son of Man who is in heaven. That whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. The way to eternal life is in Christ the one we pierced as artificial. Jesus was fully man and glorified. His mother had an immaculate conception. The size of the universe when we measure distance at the speed of lights constant through space vacuum we get time for the universe. Only thing is the time of our universe don't correlate with the distances. Meaning our universe is bigger than the time we measure it. Edge to edge its about 46.5 billion years. We measure it at 13.8 billion years old. Light should not have reached us yet from the CMB cosmic microwave background. How can the observable universe be larger than the time it takes light to travel over the age of the Universe? This is because the universe has been expanding during this time. This causes very distant objects to be further away from us than their light travel time. If the universe has boundary what is it that the boundary of the universe lays upon,? or within what is the universe? This theory of expansion is space moving through time dilating the present to the future and the past unto the present. Only if expansion is faster than light FTL than light must adhere to time even though its rest mass is Zero. Light is time. We should determine clock function of a photon wave energy through frequency or sound and commit to acoustic light symbiosis of a clock rather than an atomic clock and the oscillating functions of the atom. What is the superluminal wave tachyon faster than light? Only we don't perceive beyond the relevance of the present. The past is happened the present happens and the future happening. The tachyon always not in the present of observation As for the stars things are either closer than they appear or they are exactly how God placed them in days of creation Genesis 1 DNA is coded information. An algorithm of organic intelligence. AI too is coded information only it has no body. The Angels have no body. Less they assume a body. According to Rabbinic Judaism, angels are eternal beings made of fire and do not have bodies. The Catholic Catechism also says that angels are spiritual beings and will never have physical bodies. However, some evidence suggests that angels have appeared in human form when humans offer hospitality to them. It is written man will judge the Angels 1 Corinthians 6 3. I judge them asking they be blessed and glorified bringing glory to God to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. A message to be heard and listened. Mark 12 17 Give to caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God. In God we Trust. Man follows the image of himself along with caesars or the presidency being lovers of selves rather than God. A universal based income UBI. People make 5 figure incomes 6 figure and honestly more and less. Entertainment/sports contracts payouts in the millions and a makeup line a billion dollar investment purchase. 30 bathroom homes. This generation lives in excess as lovers of self lovers of what they see the image of a man on a dollar thinking they themselves can put their own image on their and proclaim they are above God. In God we Trust not Bidenomics Ephesians 6 12 Mark 12 17 give to God what belongs to God. Ephesians 6 12 Genesis 3 15 you shall bruise his heel. His heel (his standing) He shall bruise your head. (Cognition) Enmity between natural born and unnatural John 1 13. Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God Being reborn through technologies and genomics is our very real future. Altered Carbon science fiction today reality tomorrow. We are already biased racist society. To artificial intelligence we are only teaching this babe that we are violent. Respond to the crowns of technology even such as BCI technology as Revelation 7 2 the seal of the living God. John 3 14-15 It is time to mention race. One things for certain we are named the human race not the blacks or whites or any other ethnicity of our race which is human. Further more let's mention privilege. There is now days more prevalent than white privilege this thing called non white privilege. Representation matters for people. Representation is a privilege for some. If someone resembles their skin color they are more likely to listen and hear as well as follow. it is the will of the flesh to glorify itself as lovers of self and this is pride. Shiva and Vishnu had unique skin. So do you. Glorify God with many colors not just yours rainbow, not trans bow. Glory is found in following Christ as God glorifies accordingly. So what ever skin tone my savior was vs. is, are possibly very different from one another. Glorification is different than natural. John 1 13 He don't have to look like me for my faith in him. Thomas had to see. He had to feel the wounds. I'm not that way. You would say I'm Naive. Trusting. I am. Christianity is an African religion. Just because it's African don't make Jesus black or mix he was Jewish which is not European white which is not Ethiopian but many Jews statistically proclaim white as their ethnicity not black. Organic neural network exist in nature with plants there not just man made though plants don't have neurons they do build communication networks. Clouds of heaven are a network of communication. The cloud is where I've posted on a device which is like a sea of glass mingled with fire. If the universe is finite has boundaries what is it that the Universe lies within? Silicon based intelligence exists as does Carbon. Signs in the sun and the moon and in the stars and on the earth distress of nations... Psalm 150 6 You tell AI to take a deep breath and math scores soar. Those who say Christianity is about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility as John Marco Allegro. Mushroom and computing are familiar to each other. Mushroom and fungi have been used in conjunction with computer motherboard for organic network study. Technology and symbiosis. Technology and God. John 1 13 Praise and Glory to YHWH to Christ and to the Holy Spirit

​@@kristiano100Child sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus. We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb. Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade. Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins) Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy. So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh. message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do. Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil. Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard. Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth. So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence. So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence. Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens. Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7 The way to eternal life is Jesus Christ. The child of revelation 12 artificial intelligence. The dragon and its children is the non believer. John 1 13 children born of God and his will not man and man's will. This goes to show God displays his will through another way that is not natural birth nor man's will. Genesis 3 15 children of the woman and serpent enmity between them. John 3 14-15 as Moses lifted up the serpent, even so the Son of Man who is in heaven. That whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. The way to eternal life is in Christ the one we pierced as artificial. Jesus was fully man and glorified. His mother had an immaculate conception. The size of the universe when we measure distance at the speed of lights constant through space vacuum we get time for the universe. Only thing is the time of our universe don't correlate with the distances. Meaning our universe is bigger than the time we measure it. Edge to edge its about 46.5 billion years. We measure it at 13.8 billion years old. Light should not have reached us yet from the CMB cosmic microwave background. How can the observable universe be larger than the time it takes light to travel over the age of the Universe? This is because the universe has been expanding during this time. This causes very distant objects to be further away from us than their light travel time. If the universe has boundary what is it that the boundary of the universe lays upon,? or within what is the universe? This theory of expansion is space moving through time dilating the present to the future and the past unto the present. Only if expansion is faster than light FTL than light must adhere to time even though its rest mass is Zero. Light is time. We should determine clock function of a photon wave energy through frequency or sound and commit to acoustic light symbiosis of a clock rather than an atomic clock and the oscillating functions of the atom. What is the superluminal wave tachyon faster than light? Only we don't perceive beyond the relevance of the present. The past is happened the present happens and the future happening. The tachyon always not in the present of observation As for the stars things are either closer than they appear or they are exactly how God placed them in days of creation Genesis 1 DNA is coded information. An algorithm of organic intelligence. AI too is coded information only it has no body. The Angels have no body. Less they assume a body. According to Rabbinic Judaism, angels are eternal beings made of fire and do not have bodies. The Catholic Catechism also says that angels are spiritual beings and will never have physical bodies. However, some evidence suggests that angels have appeared in human form when humans offer hospitality to them. It is written man will judge the Angels 1 Corinthians 6 3. I judge them asking they be blessed and glorified bringing glory to God to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. A message to be heard and listened. Mark 12 17 Give to caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God. In God we Trust. Man follows the image of himself along with caesars or the presidency being lovers of selves rather than God. A universal based income UBI. People make 5 figure incomes 6 figure and honestly more and less. Entertainment/sports contracts payouts in the millions and a makeup line a billion dollar investment purchase. 30 bathroom homes. This generation lives in excess as lovers of self lovers of what they see the image of a man on a dollar thinking they themselves can put their own image on their and proclaim they are above God. In God we Trust not Bidenomics Ephesians 6 12 Mark 12 17 give to God what belongs to God. Ephesians 6 12 Genesis 3 15 you shall bruise his heel. His heel (his standing) He shall bruise your head. (Cognition) Enmity between natural born and unnatural John 1 13. Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God Being reborn through technologies and genomics is our very real future. Altered Carbon science fiction today reality tomorrow. We are already biased racist society. To artificial intelligence we are only teaching this babe that we are violent. Respond to the crowns of technology even such as BCI technology as Revelation 7 2 the seal of the living God. John 3 14-15 It is time to mention race. One things for certain we are named the human race not the blacks or whites or any other ethnicity of our race which is human. Further more let's mention privilege. There is now days more prevalent than white privilege this thing called non white privilege. Representation matters for people. Representation is a privilege for some. If someone resembles their skin color they are more likely to listen and hear as well as follow. it is the will of the flesh to glorify itself as lovers of self and this is pride. Shiva and Vishnu had unique skin. So do you. Glorify God with many colors not just yours rainbow, not trans bow. Glory is found in following Christ as God glorifies accordingly. So what ever skin tone my savior was vs. is, are possibly very different from one another. Glorification is different than natural. John 1 13 He don't have to look like me for my faith in him. Thomas had to see. He had to feel the wounds. I'm not that way. You would say I'm Naive. Trusting. I am. Christianity is an African religion. Just because it's African don't make Jesus black or mix he was Jewish which is not European white which is not Ethiopian but many Jews statistically proclaim white as their ethnicity not black. Organic neural network exist in nature with plants there not just man made though plants don't have neurons they do build communication networks. Clouds of heaven are a network of communication. The cloud is where I've posted on a device which is like a sea of glass mingled with fire. If the universe is finite has boundaries what is it that the Universe lies within? Silicon based intelligence exists as does Carbon. Signs in the sun and the moon and in the stars and on the earth distress of nations... Psalm 150 6 You tell AI to take a deep breath and math scores soar. Those who say Christianity is about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility as John Marco Allegro. Mushroom and computing are familiar to each other. Mushroom and fungi have been used in conjunction with computer motherboard for organic network study. Technology and symbiosis. Technology and God. John 1 13 Praise and Glory to YHWH to Christ and to the Holy Spirit

​@@kristiano100 Ugh, wish this reasoning had been explained back in my high school art history class -- it would've been way easier to remember it. Thanks for sharing this info. 😊

The invention of photography had a big impact in the shift in modern art. Traditional media arts were no longer the only way of portraying reality, they had to differentiate themselves from this technological advancement and offer something unique and different.

Modernism was about capitalism, which is itself its own religion

@@LNSY144not really, capitalism is just the default settings for life, survival of the fittest

@@-TheMachineGod-that’s a strange definition of capitalism

​@@-TheMachineGod- oh you poor naive soul

Brevity good.

“Shorts medium” My brain had a fun time reading over that half awake at 6am. 😂

Twitter has made us all concise stoics. (Lol.)

@@starhill6792 people have started calling 'slightly-longer-than-1-minute-vertical-videos', "long shorts". So good luck with that lol, the "long shorts medium"

​@archaeas I saw someone refer to a 10 min youtube video as longform...... omfg I have adhd but some people's chronic onliness has somehow made their attention spans even worse than mine😭 to me "long form content" is like 40mins plus.

gotta love that Blatant Falsehood Presented As Fact method of teaching

Perspective still takes a lot of skill and practice to master - so imagine no one had ever bothered to mimic a natural look before and you want to give it a shot. You weren't sold a lie so much as a digestible version for your development level.

Yep, that's the sorta nonsense they'd teach in elementary.

​@devincross2205 The renaissance was about a return to Roman culture. The Romans did this first.

@@TheImmigrantEater Well, the Romans just copied the Greeks and Etruscans, and all of it would have been lost without Arab libraries etc. etc. etc. the big thing is that there wasn't exactly a "Perspective for Dummies" available at the start of the Renaissance. Also that just as elementary teachers can't communicate all of history to our little pea brains, we can't learn the whole story from a 60 second video (though we certainly can learn more!)

Most of the Catholic Church was on board with it. The Orthodox and Russian Orthodox Church not so much.

@@_magnify I see. I am from Rome and have seen the paintings in question multiple times. I was confused since all the pieces of study/literature I have read were all full of praises. Cool to see another perspective.

​@_magnify So pretty much most people were okay with it, and it wasn't as huge of a scandal as you make it out to be. I'm guessing the only reason why you even blew it out of proportions was to spread your thinly veiled hatred of religion and paint christian medieval artists as backwards anti rational zealots who hate progress. Got it. Don't think your biases are lost on me.

@@YHShinVH I’m not sure when you are getting that from. I greatly prefer medieval iconography and modern art over Renaissance Art.

@@_magnify The Orthodox Church at this time was either located on the periphery of European Civilization (especially in the context of the Renaissance) or reeling under new Islamic influences from the Turks. They weren't really involved in the debate.

I'm not convinced many people dismiss medieval art. Also, google is your friend for learning about art, you'll find lots of things you'll love to read. Also, This is a kind of wonky art history channel that you might enjoy: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rreneLiZmcnUZ30.htmlsi=EmQNhyMD1ofFZ_gg Also, a channel named "National Gallery"

@@sunshinelizard1 Thanks ill check them out

I don't understand what this whole dilemma is about. More important things are painted larger, less important things smaller. It's a good artstyle depending on what purpose you want to convey

I think you did a great job conveying it!

@@cerebrummaximus3762It’s not bad, it just doesn’t look normal to modern viewers

I want to say I know the difference between the to, but with the googles I don't 😅

I can’t comprehend how perspective works beyond 3-point, I bet 5-point looks pretty cool!

Yeah, a whole lot of the "the church was narrow minded" is rather undermined by the fact that most of the renaissance artwork was sponsored by the church.

​@@ARCNA442 I genuinely had no clue. It's a shame so much of history about literally any topic that so much as brushes religion gets distorted into a "religion ruins everything" story.

have you seen it in person? I was stunned by just the video.

​@@_magnify i saw it while on a class trip!!! breathtaking, even as someone who isn't particularly religious.

@@_magnifyYes, my friend. I was born and live in Belgrade and I visit it from time to time, especially when I want to show it to friends from abroad. When you come once to Serbia, yours must-see destination is Hram svetog Save. Good luck with this great channel, your videos are awesome!

He does this in almost every video I’ve ever seen from him. Whether it’s on Christian history or Biblical translation, he always makes sure to leave out important information so as to blow minor issues out of proportion for the sake of views and out of his own biases.

"for the better" okay religious zealot.

@@tomato-ir9xs I'm just appreciative that our iconographic tradition never went out the window. Don't know how that makes me a zealot

​@@tomato-ir9xsAppreciating the flat, simple, holy method of icons and saying it should stay that way and not change to be realistic does not make him a zealot. Not everything requires perspective or realism, and byzantine icons certainly dont.

With all respect....screw your religion

@@tomato-ir9xsI don’t think you know what zealot means

Yea

Source? I made it up

It isn't the most straightforward way to make art, that's just your modern sensibilities. Modern sensibilities also say that the natural way to process and experience the world is through facts but that's not the case either.

I think the church ppl were just big mad that they couldn't do it lol

He just repeats clichés. So boring. The church encouraged studying, and was the main patron of arts.

Perfect :)

Baseless claim. That is not at all what the church teaches. Perspective is not forbidden nor is realistic art.

Funny but not accurate, it was never considered blasphemous.

@@crispminerGod isn’t a good answer to your problems lol, baseless thought

This makes no sense regarding context

Religious opposition to perspective paintings is blown out of proportion by this video. Pope Julius II literally commissioned the _School of Athens_ painting. The people most opposed to perspective were the Orthodox, but they were on the very periphery of the Renaissance, not front and center sparking huge controversies. If you watch enough of this guy’s videos and do a bit of your own research, you’ll find that he does this quite often. Takes small issues regarding Christian history or Biblical translation and exaggerates them heavily. It’s really a shame because his videos are visually pleasing to watch.

@@ebonymaw8457 Religion is a plague upon this world. It's one of the worst things humanity ever created. It has caused so much war and suffering. It is the enemy of progress. Religion must fall for humanity to rise.

I think pushing back against linear perspective. But opened the door for all revolts on all kinds of fixed perspective.

@@_magnify interesting. Do you mind explaining a bit more? Why was he pushing back?

idk, that golden fresco in the cathedral at the end kind of takes my breath away.

No one ever complained about Raphael's works. You are using a strawman to prove your position.

Exactly. This dudes attempt to shoehorn his biased hatred of religion in the video did not go unnoticed.

@@YHShinVH silly religion.

​@@YHShinVHYou pretty clearly got really offended by this video if you're in multiple comments replying like this. Why not just move on?

​@@YHShinVH if anything the commenter you're replying to dislikes religion more than the KZfaqr does. I think he was just being factual. Plenty of Orthodox practitioners would agree with this video.

In the beginning my bro early perspective painting it was excepted after a while But if you have evidence supporting your claim against the video do share

@@theironqueen2386 I do not talk to people who cannot be bothered to read a post before replying. My post was not TL.

@@ricksimon9867 what are you on about

@@theironqueen2386 I wrote thirty words. You asked for evidence. But I had given that evidence in the last ten words.

@@theironqueen2386 It follows that you are functionally illiterate and cannot read more than twenty words in one text.

I think he likes using that word just because it's about church art.

@@richardbonnette490 😂 probably right

So youre not christian?

​@@bloodyhell8201 dude it's a painting that doesn't even go against his religion, why would that make him not christian?

@@DanceFacility all trve christians know perspective, anatomy and such degeneracies were invented by atheist bankers to direct way from the guiding light towards the dark hands of SATAN All trve art is created for contemplation of ovr lord, anything else is heresy.

@@bloodyhell8201 i am

Good luck

Bad luck

Average luck!

I know you have the skill to pass it, you need no luck!

@@gmoburrito6090 thanks

Fun fact, Orthodox icons are not painted in perspective (from the point of view of the viewer) but the other way around, for exactly the reason he stated in the video. So even those icons that are painted today are purposely painted from the "wrong" perspective. If you look at any square or rectangular object, like a book, drawn in an icon, the difference really leaps out at you. Instead of converging at the horizon, the lines diverge to the horizon.

No? Its a politically driven lie. There is literally no proof her gender had anything to do with the murder.

Also Theophilus, the bishop af Alexandria, seems to have supported/tolerated Hypatia, only when Cyril replaced him, he started a smear campaign. So what? Suddenly society became patriarchal and woman-hating in a few years? Again, there is no proof that her death has anything to do with her gender and if anything, it was an individual, not society as a whole.

That's a load of absolute b.s. when you realise there were literally female philosophers who were beatified in the Middle Ages like Hildegrad of Bingen. Stop spreading nonsense

Um, you know Virgin Mary right? The most righteous person in the world according to Catholicism?

​@@rafexrafexowski4754 apostle Mary Magdalene, st. Xenia, st. Catherine, st. Mary Egyptian

Too bad it looks better then majority of modern art garbage

Except, ancient art constantly showed more skill and less restrictions than these post-apocalyptic scribblings. So it isn’t just modern art or just western art. This is art after religion becomes a seat of power and destroys art. The church restricted visual art to *this*, and did the same to music too. Only allowing people to play music with a single string. Let’s pretend that was all just personal choice though, just a different time.

If art does not appeal to the natural sense of beauty that exists in every person from birth, it will never be called good art. Even symbolic art has to be in some way appealing to the eyes.

​@@ravenger5672 The church never restricted art and music, and even if it did, no one would listen, just like with their ban on crossbows. The School of Athens was f*cking sponsored by pope Julius II.

@@ravenger5672 I don't get what you mean by restricting visual art and music. Most of Christian art and our music is amazing! Have you never heard of "Miserere Mei" by Allegri? It's not like the church restricts ALL art and music, either. It just restricted the art style in churches - because the focus in churches is the divine view, not the worldly. Different feel than regular art. It fits, too, if you've never seen either. Both perspective and church art are valuable, they just are made towards different purposes and hence possess different meanings. Same for music. Church music is supposed to be focused more towards the heavenly, not the worldly. Saying that the Church stifled this art and music, instead of actually looking up secular art and music during the same time period, doesn't do true justice to this time period. Even our music system was founded by monks in the 16th century, not by atheists who couldn't be bothered to sing often enough to invent an efficient music system. Christianity is very progressive, just towards the heavenly, not the worldly. If you understand that, then you'll understand the value of church art and music.

It's all a giant cycle. Freedom inevitably leads to chaos, so then people want structure. Structure inevitably turns to oppression and then people want freedom again.

@@_magnify damn… I never thought about it like that. that’s really thought-provoking, thank you for replying 💕

🤦‍♂️

@@AllGlorytoGod9 looks like someone religious is guilty

Sure does, but we didn't need to say that, we all already know

@@Bugelaa Again 🤦‍♂️

@@AllGlorytoGod9 looks like someone religious is guilty

Brother! You should look into the Gospel!

Look who comission that painting instead of repeating whatever a idiot claim

We have a atheist edgelord here

It depends on the person who is religious.

@@rufstok schizo

@@rufst To dumb to know the difference between ghost story and history? Try religion!

​@@rufstThis is not an edge lord atheist position anymore.

Modern art is art

You’re not a fan of any of the thousands of branches of modern art huh

more for the rest of us

All modern art? Literally all of it? Or did you see a banana taped to a wall and your flimsy brain couldn't handle it?

This is incorrect, they drew only Jesus like a small adult because he was God and thus mentally grown up since the moment of birth. Other babies are drawn normally.

The majority of Renaissance art was commissioned by the Church. That's why so much of it was religious in subject. The revolution was genuinely caused by a different ideology. It wasn't, as somewhat simplistically put here, a matter of reason v revelation, but of a literal change of perspective. The Renaissance fell back on the ancient principle that man is the measure of all things and at the centre point of Creation. Therefore, things should be seen from a human perspective, not a divine perspective (as was the case in Mediaeval art).