I actually forgot to mention one other severely bad aspect: vibrations. Taking this thing to motorway speed gives you vibrations through the handlebars which are very, very, very annoying. How on earth Triumph was able to actually think "yep, that's it, that bike is perfect and ready for production" is beyond me. I have never ridden a EURO-4 or 5 machine with this many flaws.

The sound on your videos is just brutally clean and soothing to listen to. Keep up the good work.

If this bike is bad, then you've officially become jaded from riding so many bikes! This bike is literal worlds above many other ADV bikes offroad and onroad. The only bikes that really compare are the Multi and the KTM. This Tiger wheelies past a GS You failed to realize they made this engine change so it can actually compete offroad. The regular triples were extremely vague offroad. These new T-planes are meant to give you feel and feedback offroad, and it shows because basically everyone agrees it kicks ass offroad. You kinda judged it as a sport touring bike, not as an ADV. Just from your comments i can tell you wished it was more like a S1000XR or something.

Riding a bike differs from person to person. I took the Triumph RP on a 1 week test ride with the missus and luggage. Never once did i feel the suspension being too soft esp after adjusting it properly. Why? Because i rode it like and adventure/tourer bike and not as a sportsbike. As for vibrations, all bikes have it, the GS, the SAS, the Multi etc. The quickshiffter on the Tiger is brilliant, once again riding it as intended and not as a sportsbike. The one on the GS is agricultural at best. The one on the SAS and Multi were better, but those are basically sports bike on stilts. I wouldnt touch a KTM with a 10 ft pole having own the previous SAS. As for the multi, you will spend a ton of $$$ on their parts and fuel as the bike is thirsty. I do however agree with your point on the slow maneuvers, its a bit jerky, which i suppose could do with a software update. Triumph made a mistake putting the t-plane engine on the GT. In the end, there is no such thing as a perfect bike, only what we make of them. As for reference, i loved the test ride so much, i sold my 1250 GS and got the RP. Dont regret it one bit. Brilliant riding videos as always. Have enjoyed them immensely.

My GOD you're swinging this quarter of a ton thing like it's effortless! Love it, the road, the sound - just awesome. Be safe man!

Thanks for the video Schaaf. It's so nice that you keep your reviews honest and you touch on all the important points. If I had the money I'd send you a donation for all your great work (🎶you're simply the best🎶). when I can, I will because you deserve it and your work is worth it to a lot of us.

Sold my GS for that sound. I really enjoy it 🏍💨🍻

Thank you for this video, this is what I've been wanting to see. Someone riding it like it is supposed to be ridden. Well done.

Awesome bike and awesome road..... and I've just bought a Rally Pro and will be very much looking forward to using it in Germany this year.

Watching Schaaf once again spank the **** off a bike through those beautiful mountain roads. Perfect start to my evening 👌🏻

Jaufen Pass - I've got great memories of riding that a few years ago with friends. It was in May '19 and there was still a lot of snow around. We stopped at the top to get a coffee, but when we were about to go into the cafe it started to snow, so we left and got back down the mountain. Good to see you riding it in better weather...but not on the best bike.

Thank you Schaaf, as usual extremely enjoying reviews :) I was considering this bike as an option, now I'm glad I ended up buying my 1290SAS ! (Which won't win any beauty contest for sure 😂), but is fun as hell 🤗

I've never seen an Adv bike ridden as hard as this haha. You're very skilled!

Been riding sport bike for over a decade. This T plane crank in the 1200 is unique and truly something special. I'm very happy with mine. It's a engine with so much character

For the suspensions I feel like most recent bikes are just too stiff for rough roads (on big adventure bikes most would pick comfort over sportiness), so maybe that negative could be a positive for others. The other things you pointed out I think are very valid and bike probably needs a bit more development to compete with the kings of its category.

Love the roads man. Scratching the road😘💪🏼.

I'm just a lover for triumph and well the tiger sounds great nice job

FAV guy is back

fantastic critique!

Thanks Schaaf, now I'm sure to keep my 1200 Alpine Edition for a while 🙂

Nice video, amazing ride

As far as the jerkiness goes, I don't know if I got used to the bike's throttle and adapted my wrist, or if it got better after break-in, but I did feel the jerkiness when I first got the bike. It is absolutely not an issue now. The engine vibrations don't start until 4500RPM, and don't get bad until you getting close to 6000RPM. This motor has so much torque and hp, I'm rarely in that range. And when I do, that means I'm riding very aggressively and I welcome the vibration and triple cyclinder screaming as part of the experience. I've rented the GS1250 for a week tour in France, rented a S1000XR for 4 days in Spain, and a few more middleweight bikes here and there. The handling and suspension on the Rally Pro is absolutely top-notch for a bike of this size, and my #1 reason for going for it. It has such better handling characteristics, that 2nd place is not close. This is the first review I've seen where that is mentioned as a negative aspect of this bike. Yes, the GS1250 is better off-road (mostly at low speeds), easier to move around at low speeds due to down-low boxer engine, has a proven track record, and a world-wide network of service and parts. But to chose the GS due to handling/suspension on the road?!!?!? Does not compute. To be fair, I've never scrapped the pegs on either of the bikes.

How would you compare this to the 900? Is the smaller bike still better at triumph? I rode the 800 before and would have bought it if i were to ride mostly solo, but since it's not the case i chose the ktm 1190. Ever since im still thinking about that 800 and now that my mate/neighbour got one, i started thinking about changing to triumph.

Great video. Have you experienced any of the stalling issues?

Thanks dude... I appreciate your exquisite videos. This bike was on my wish list... from seing your ride and than coments... well it went out from my WL. They didn't inprowe from 10 years ago where matters. CHEERS

Appreciate the honest review, I do agree it's a mixed bag and had hoped it would be a lot better. Is that the top of the Jaufenpass? I made it there in June from Scotland, what a road

Grüß dich Schaaf, Erstmal wieder einen herzlichen Dank für das tolle Video und die Erfahrung die du mit uns Teilst, und den Mehrwert den du damit für uns alle erschaffst! :-) Mich würden 3 Dinge interessieren... 1. Wo warst du da unterwegs? Schaut genial aus. 2. Wie ist es mit den Vibrationen auf der 900 Gt Pro ? Auch störend? 3. Was würdest du in dem Segment (Tiger 900 GT Low) u.ä alternativ oder grundsätzlich empfehlen? Aktuell fahre ich eine Honda NC 750x (2cm tiefer) mit der ich prinzipiell zufrieden bin, aber mittlerweile hätte ich gerne etwas mit ein bisschen mehr Leistung und etwas besserem Fahrwerk... da ich aber bloß 1.69M groß (klein) bin fällt vieles weg. Tracer 9 GT zb oder Afrika Twin sind mir leider zu groß... Hast du evtl ne Idee? Beste Grüße :-)

Thanks for the honest review! Did you film your summer trip in Ireland on the GS?

I traded my 2022 K1600 for it, and after taking the RP Off Road, I decided to sell my 890 ADV R as well. This bike is just awesome in every aspect. I switched to sport mode and they really mean it - fucking insane with a 21" Frontwheel. The only thing I'm missing is a steering damper, but maybe there will be some aftermarket solution for it sooner or later.

4:12 Nice Z8! Besides: flawless and enjoyable as always! :)

Nice video again. Thanks. Are you planning to ride Yamaha Super Tenere XTZ 1200 as a big adventure bike?

Sounds pretty mellow. Good bike to go touring on.

Nice riding om a bike with a 21” frontwheel bike with ekstra travel suspension. Impressive bike and god riding skills. Thanks for the video 😊

I bought one in 2022 and I almost fully agree with you : jerky driveshaft, too soft suspension even in hardest mode, vibrations in mirrors, not enough ground clearance when cornering, despite weight loss compared to the previous Tigers still gravity point too high, the feel of the clutch is like a dry clutch and not as a hydraulic one. As a matter of fact, I have had two clutch issues in less than 6000 miles : an air bulb formed into the hydraulic system causing almost a standstill : I couldn't almost shift gear anymore and it was very hard to get it in neutral. Clutch lever got very hard (stiff) as well and the travel became worrying . They purged two times at the dealership ( first time at 3000 miles, second time at 6000). My confidence in the bike is lost. Although the engine is not top compared to the GS, KTM or Ducati, it sounds nice and the quickshifter is smooth ... and fast enough to me. Anyway : the bike has nice looks, but is generally deceiving in riding it. No wonder that it doesn't sell well. Hardly anybody buys it. You don't see them around. Missed chance, Triumph !

Great video Schaff thanks - it's funny in the way bike accelerated at the top of the revs, that it sounded as if it had a powerband, almost like a huge two-stroke! I agree, an odd choice of tuning for an ADV. I imagine version 2.0 of the bike will perform better at low revs in a year or two...

Great video and possibly the most reallistic sound experience compared to other YT channels. Thanks for great work. I’ve noticed the vibes when I first tried the bike. But somehow I managed to ignore them after some time and enjoying the ride quite a lot. I guess it could get some improvements in the next iteration. But as the overall package, including the appearance, engine, and handling, it won my heart.

Awesome bike - good thing we all have different views about same bikes - I for instance prefer the 1200 GT Pro over the GS 1250.

Always enjoy your videos. I get the same exhilaration riding my ATV on my channel.

What a tricky winding road at this brutal speed😮🎉

Sensacional essa moto é muito bruta❤‍🔥🔥

At least in Brazil, we are paying around 20% for the GS and 30% for the V4. I guess I can live with those small defects given the price, I would never ride like you on those corners @schaff. great video, I still bought one a week ago.

You had some trying times with two green buses. Even missed a lovely right hand downhill cornering😊 Good ride

Is the T-Plane rougher/more vibe-y than a traditional triple crank? I've been wondering about that, but I haven't heard anyone say anything one way or the other (though I gather it's not that big a difference either way, or people would be talking about it).

Ok, I had a 2 hours test-drive of 1200 GT Pro. It was raining a little bit all the time, but still managed to make couple of open throttle runs up to 7000rpm. Ok, it's doesn't have a twin cylinders torque from 2000rpms, but from 3000 and up - more than adequate. Vibrations for me were about the same as on Tiger 900. Suspension was very nice. I'm not Schaaf so didn't manage to scrape foot pegs 😅. Throttle was indeed a touch jerky when using on lower speeds and revs. I think Tiger 900 had better throttle response. Dash is a little bit glitchy, but overall very nice bike. Expensive as any other bike in that category. Don't really need one.

Hey man why aren’t you rev matching while downshifting?

Not sure if you’ve ridden both. But how do you like this T-plane triple compared to the standard firing version? Any preferences either way?

Its funny, because nearly all of the problems you mentioned I had with the 1200 Speed Triple. The 180 HP felt like 140, the quickshifter was slow, the vibrations were insane and it didn't felt good in corners, quiete stolid... The 765 Street Triple RS on the other hand was one of the best bikes I've ridden so far. Don't know why they have these differences in their model lineup

Nice road. Where was that? In terms of your review, I have to ask myself just how objective it really was? I‘ve seen dozens of reviews of the Tiger 1200 (in all formats), and none were as negative as yours. I‘ve ridden the GT Pro and had no problems with vibrations (nor on the 850 Sport which I currently own). Are you sure you don‘t have some anti-Triumph axe to grind, because many reviews I‘ve seen rate this way above the GS and other major competitors.

Would you say this would be a good bike for someone who rides like you but also will do technical off-road riding?

I couldn’t agree less with your review, I really couldn’t interesting how different people see things. The damping on the GS for example is okay on a smooth road, but on a U.K. pot holed carriageway the Triumph is infinitely better and more adjustable I’m surprised you didn’t customise the settings to your needs? Bottom end torque doesn’t rival the GS that’s true, but mid range onwards the Triumph is disappearing out of site, biting at the heels of a multi (the seat is much more comfortable than a multi as well) The vibes, people keep mentioning the vibrations again I don’t think they’re intrusive, they don’t really appear until around 5 and even then it’s never been an issue for me??? It does have some downsides, but comparing it to the current GS it’s far more exciting just my opinion

Hello Schaaf, should I replace my 1290 SAS for this monster …? I know you love the KTM 😉..!! Greetings from the Netherlands Hope you’ll recover quickly 💪

Bit of an outlier review but I can agree with a couple of things. Throttle response is snatchy and there are vibes above 6k. 1st gear could be lower. I do have to question some of your comments though. Quickshifter for example is brilliant yet you don't like it. Hmm. Did you actually tweak the suspension for your aggressive riding style? I don't know about the new GS but the 1250 has terrible suspension on anything but good roads and that can't be adjusted.

Ein ehrliches review 👍🏻 Das mit der Zündfolge versteht absolut niemand, ein klassischer Fall von Verschlimmbesserung 😕 Aber das sie auch sonst so viele Unzulänglichkeiten hat ist wirklich verwunderlich, grad für eine Triumph.

Hallo Schaaf, der Motor hört sich beim dahin gleiten an wie eine Nähmaschine. Man hört kaum den Motor selbst. Oder täuscht das durch das Microphone? Beim beschleunigen hört es sich geil an! Aber mit einer Reisemaschine ist man ja meistens am cruisen! Da würde mich das Nageln glaube ich stören. Kannst Du meinen Eindruck bestätigen? LG.

Klingt hervorragend! Erinnert mich an meine Guzzi Stelvio, die auch fast so gut vorwaerts geht. Allerdings setzt die nicht schon bei solch maessigen Kurven auf, trotz extremerer Schraeglage. Ist eben eine Guzzi..Unsere Fahrweise ist aehnlich 👍👌😆

Ouch! Was considering an upgrade, but I think I’ll stick with my 900 Rally Pro, and find a Thruxton RS to keep it company in the garage 🤔🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

I was hesitating between the GS and this bike and like all the bikes you have tested and that I know personally I agree with you, I think the choice is made ^^. Now will the GS 1300 be released soon, wait or not but that's another question. Thank you for the honesty of the test which helped me drastically!✌️

I wont even ride the bike after riding a 900 gt pro with the vibes identical crank lumpy firing so I thought, bigger jugs more vibes. You just confirmed my suspicion.

I don't think you mentioned this in the video, but compared to the Super Adventure and GS, this bike is very top heavy. Even the multi feels like it is lighter.

As interesting as usual !!! 👍 The more i hear those 1200 the less i understand why i'd buy a heavy triple which sounds like a lighter twin 🤔

Also als erstes erwartet man von so einem Motorrad überhaupt nicht das die Fußrasten in der Kurve schleifen. Aber das kann ja auch davon abhängen das du im Sattel klebst und dich gar nicht in die Kurve Legat. Zweitens das Geräusch beim Gangwechsel irritiert. Kann aber auch vom quikshifter abhängen. Drittens kommt es mir so vor oder hat die Tiger bei hoher Geschwindigkeit Vibrationen? Fazit: Definitiv kein Moped was ich mir zulege. Danke für die Präsentation! 👍

Was about to ask: should i trade in my Multi V4s for this, but for some reason it seems unnecessary. 😅👍

Well that gsxs gt sure looks handsome

Hi my friend, are you in Italy for this trip ?

Looks like its get up to speed pretty well

I have never heard anything so brutal like this beast

Passo giovo 😍😍😍😍

I haven't seen already the final impressions, but since sec 15 I can tell this a super heavy bike with lack of punch in the low revs ..

You do a lot of extra down shifting! 😮

Exhaust?

what do you do for a living ?

Did you try that Suzuki gsxf 1000?

Hello great movie very nice mounted ;)

Kann dem zu 100% zustimmen! Hatte sie zwei Tage und habe festgestellt das mir das Motorrad garnicht passt. Motor fährt sich sehr sportlich und braucht Touren und der Rest vom Motorrad kommt dann nicht mit hinterher und dann hört es auf Spaß zu machen. Die Fußrasten haben mir auch zu früh geschliffen. Habe leider kein Vergleich zu anderen großen Tourer Bikes.

I’m glad I’m not the only one to find my knees up against the annoying plastic triangles.

Congratulations on a great video. Highly disagree with your opinions but its always nice to see others view once i have formatted mine. I think you failed to comprehend the whole philosophy of this bike as well as Triumph's. Every model has its own market and its unfair to burry it just because you don't fall into it. Just for the record i liked this video and subscribed to your channel.

schöner satter dumpfer Sound - ist somit " Hoffähig " ;-)

Yess👍😎

Can you try the new Honda CBR1000 Fireblade.

Mam Tygrysa - Tiger 1200 GT Explorer 2023 - ten motocykl to prawdziwy kocur. Pędzi jak szalony, z kuframi czy bez. Miałem problem z Quickshifterem bo nie umiałem przerzucać biegi, dopiero po przejechaniu 14 tys km zacząłem rozumieć Tigera. Jego nie można porównać do GSa czy Multi, czy KTM itp. Tiger to inny motocykl i albo się go lubi albo nienawidzi, zero półśrodków. Tiger to szybki turystyk, który pojedzie na wyprawę bez zadyszki, będzie połykał kilometry bez względu na podłoże, tylko trzeba się z nim umieć dogadać.

Some video of tracer 9 gt?

I have had about 600km on my GT Pro. First impression so far and compared to friends' GS 1250s: + Smooth engine, but roars loudly and proudly when revving hard. Great for highway touring with lots of immediate power on tap. + Overall great comfort. No noticeable vibration under 5k RPM (my bike is still breaking in so this may change). Pillion seat is nicely thick and soft. + Simple to operate the menus and settings. + Throttle is easy to work with in busy city traffic. + Shaft drive is wonderfully smooth and noiseless. + Much cheaper than an equivalent GS in my country. - It's too tall for riders below 180cm and has no way to permanently lower the suspension like the GS. I am 187cm and can't easily flat foot it even with the seat in lower position. - No TPMS - it is standard for the Explorer models only. Weird way to segment the trim levels IMO. GS 1250' base trim level has it. - The TFT is poorly executed - stutters, lots of dead space, turn signals remove the time and ambient temp readout, can't show odo/range in the basic view, etc. Well behind the GS. - The front dives easily and has no steering dampener - not the bike's fault, upside down forks tend to do that. The GS just refuses to dive no matter how hard I brake. - The handlebars are not really comfortable for me, it is a bit much of a stretch. - The rear perks up too much - maybe a design choice, but it does mean that the bike is a lot taller than it needs to be. - Crap Metzeler tires that grip worse in less than ideal conditions than my grandpa's hands. - Weird ass rear tire size at 18" (all other bikes in this segment use 17"). Difficult to find tire options. All in all it is great on its own but saying that this bike trumps the GS in most key areas is a bold claim at best. The GS is still better at the things that matter to an ADV rider, but I believe that Triumph did their best with what they had. I don't regret buying it over the GS and can live with the shortcomings.

Just tested GT Pro. Same thoughts mate, same thoughts...

From what I heard, it's quite un-Triumph-ish to make those flaws. I've never seen it irl and so I cannot fully criticize it. I hope you're making a video about your Ireland trip! :D

Ride safe

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You have a skill that most other motorcycle reviewers lack, Honesty. Thank you.

Just had a test drive; suspensions was very nice, but the vibrations were very very noticeable. To much for my liking. The most annoying bit is that the vibrations are right between 3K-5.5K RPM. RPM range where I normally cruise in. Drive back after an 20 minute test drive. Unfortunately not for me. Was a real bummer because I absolutely love the design and the rest of the bike.

Wait wait wait wait WAIT!! They're using a 90° crank engine in the 1200 now?!

A very interesting comparison - how does an adventure bike accelerate out of the hairpin curve? Does anyone count tenths of a second on a motorcycle trip? Are motorcycle tours only on twisty roads in the beautiful Italian Alps? If so, then this comparison is for a very narrow group... I was the owner of a Tiger 1200 Rally Pro. Yes, this bike has flaws, but not so much in the physical side as in other things: the dashboard is taken from the wrong motorcycle. The dashboard is definitely not that of an adventure bike!

4:13 A Z8!!!!

that's why the people love (hate) BIKERS

SCHAAF FOR KANZLER!

Whoa dude, riding it like you stole it.

кайф❤

Some people like soft "real world" suspension. That's why I bought a SAR over a SAS - good quality manual suspension that I can set up how I like it (supple with good damping) - I can ride on any surface not even worrying about what's under me - it just grips. So what it it moves a bit when I'm being aggressive - a price worth paying for supreme comfort. I can still scrape the pegs - does doing the same feeling every ridge and bump in the road make it faster? No.

A Schoeoefl a day keeps the boredom at bay.

Couldn't agree with you more. The jerky throttle respond is a shame to Triumph. It's just not possible to trailbrake into a corner and get on the gas smoothly. Horrible😱😭 Only in RAIN mode you can try that, but still... and you loose a lot of power that way. I didn't think they made bad motorcycles and it isn't, but the mapping is terrible and I hope there will be an update soon that fixes this 🙄🙄🙄🤨🤨🤨

Wow that was a shocker. Triumph usually spends a lot of time and effort getting their bikes right. But clearly, in an effort to outdo the GS, they failed to capture the true essence of their bike. What a shame