The MT5400 movement in my BB54 has been phenomenal. It looses time on the wrist and gains when boxed at night, thus making it easy to regulate with wearing habits. Since 27 Oct 23 to today 21 Mar 24 it has lost 0.8sec. Not daily, that's total deviation. Like i said, phenomenal.

Thank you for this information 👍

I have two modern Tudors with MT5400 and MT5402. I’ve experienced no quality or accuracy issues.

This is what I think about movements in general. Anything under 500 should be Quartz it will last longer without any major service. No one will pay (especially here in the US) 200 bucks+ to get their NH35 Movement watch serviced they will throw it and move to a new one. In-house movements should be for watches 5,000k+.

Very good points and not enough talked about subject! I can only sympathize with people facing issues with brand new watches. Mechanical failures are always hard to swallow, especially for new / recent / serviced watches. It’s natural for any mechanical object/instrument/vehicle to one day or another have an issue, of course, but the rate of such incidents shouldn’t be as high as it seems to be, especially for luxuryitems that are this expensive imho. To me it’s a bigger topic than that. I believe that the industry is facing or will be facing a big challenge with after sale services. All these new « in house » movement and ETA clones aren’t created equal. Some are masterpieces and some are proper junk. Unfortunately we don’t have the hindsight on this yet… But I’m genuinely afraid of the consequences of the reliability issues both on the brands economics and mostly on the consumer fatigue about it. I’ve had many issues with a brand new Sinn 103 which I absolutely adored but had to cancel the sale and return the watch because it was constantly in repair. It feature at clone of the 7750 made by Concepto. In my own experiences with the ETA Valjoux versions I hadn’t ever had an issue before. Same goes for a Zodiac Olympos Field I bought, featured the STP1-11 which is Fossil’s 2824 clone: it failed twice in a few months… I sold the watch. I haven’t had in house movement failure yet, knock on wood, but the horror stories pop up more and more indeed and I don’t think I will buy any new watch if it features a yet unproven reliability record.

Great video. I constantly say that in-house movements are a bad idea on the basis of my experience with vintage watches. These days I generally only buy vintage watches with movements from the big manufacturers like ETA, FHF, AS, Unitas, Landeron, Peseux etc. I love vintage Longines and Buren/Hamilton but the parts are now an absolute nightmare and cost a fortune. It's not just brands charging high prices for service that is an issue. Many brands simply refuse to service anything more than ten years old on the basis of "parts unavailability" or being "out of support" like a software release. Tissot do this, even for watches where parts supply is actually abundant and independents can still service them. It's just not worth Tissot's while. So they send the watch back along with a voucher for money off a new Tissot from their web store. It's not just strictly in-house movements that are going to be affected by this - it will also be a problem for ETA movements in future as they now refuse to supply parts to independents. That will likely be partially mitigated by the huge number of abandoned ETA-powered watches which can be cannibalised for parts, but it's still a profoundly consumer-unfriendly policy. And the Powermatic 80 series is much harder to regulate by an independent watchmaker in any case because of its free sprung balance. So for me Sellita wins because of their scale and willingness to supply parts. Seiko Instruments and Miyota probably also OK? Incidentally I have many ETA and Sellita powered watches from the 80s to the present day and have never had a problem with any of them beyond needing the occasional service to relubricate their moving parts. Whereas my Zodiac powered by an STP movement failed after three weeks. Replaced under warranty no problem and I'm keeping the watch because I like it but it's another data point for you.

Tudor's manufacture movements are truly excellent. I have 5 and have had zero problem. What I got, however, was phenomenal precision. Never more than 2 seconds per day on my 5 Tudors. So sir, have I been lucky 5 times? 🤡

Modern Tudor have some of the best movements out there . The 5400 for example altgough not a certified movement , it's extremely well built and performs amazingly accurate

Got my Tudor black bay pro 2 years ago, they sold me the watch without winding it, a couple of hours after, while setting it upI realise that the seconds hands was not moving regardless of how much winding. It came out that, that movement was broken. They gave me a new watch though, so end up to be all ok.

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Reliable ETA/Sellita movements are the way to go...

Tudor movement started clicking and grinding when being wound. Luckily under warranty but pretty disconcerting.

all these comments about wanting thin watches when this pressure on manufactures can result on them making a movement that is too thin and breaks all the time.

I think that the Kenissi movements should be very easily serviceable. I believe they’re based off of the backbone of Rolex calibers, and they’re probably just as intuitively made. From watching a few different watchmaking channels, it seems that Rolex calibers are actually designed to be worked on. I guess it would be uncharted territory for some watchmakers, but the movements themselves shouldn’t really be too complicated to take apart.

A Casio F91W has an in-house movement too.

Dude, Oris offers 10 years of warranty on their in-house movements. Also, the recommended service interval on Oris in-house is 10 years. And no, they don't just "drop" a new movement in there. Do your research.

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Lots of problems in Tudor, IWC, even Rolex movements...

Actually the word a manufactory is a part of marketology strategy, and this word is taken seriously only by people who are deprived of logical thinking and are buried in cement of actually horologyreligion of self. An example from my watch collection the nh35 mechanism in the china watch maker and the third year stable 2 seconds plus in days. Well and of course Tudor … in one and a half years began to make problems therefore I think by trade in and to get rid of this manufactory miracle.

Just buy the Invicta 1953! Looks the same & just pay like a hundred bucks 🤔

So, we cannot buy any good watches?

if tudor in house suck so seiko grand seiko is the worst XD?

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Valuable perspective, great points…but pretentious and elitist delivery, to be honest. My two cents: you’ll reach more people with your valid message if you lighten up the way you preach it! Take it or leave it, great content either way

Tudor inhouse just too thick

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