Why Unlimited Data Is Impossible To Maintain
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Күн бұрынPhone carriers make us pay to use more data, but how much does data actually cost them? Is data actually that expensive?
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"In a story almost as old as unlimited mobile data plans, there has been a fight over those who provide the plans and those who actually test the boundaries on what unlimited use actually means. This week AT&T said it would only start throttling users on its unlimited plans when they reached about 22 GB per month, as opposed to 5 GB per month, in response to a Federal Communication Commission fine."
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@doa_form 7 жыл бұрын
Impossible to maintain? No, they just want more profit
@SupraKooper 7 жыл бұрын
No, you're just an idiot. It's called bandwidth. And with more and more people getting more cell phones, and using up bandwidth, there won't be enough.
@DeadlyDragon_ 7 жыл бұрын
Supra Kooper this isnt true, the cost of 1 gb vs 1tb is exactly the same, paying for the amount of data you use is a shit metric they use to screw you guys out of more money, they need to put fiber in place throughout the US, to allow 10Gigabit transfers and utilize proper QoS. Rather than their current model.
@adomjonsen6131 7 жыл бұрын
No you are an idiot. They know expanding their bandwidth costs more than what they are getting from these ridiculously expensive unlimited data plans so the logical option to take is to shut them down. Its simple economics.
@DeadlyDragon_ 7 жыл бұрын
Adom Jonsen no its not "simple economics" allow me to inform you that these companies get tax breaks from our government to upgrade their infrastructure. Data costs $0 making data caps a pointless metric used to gain more money from the people. There is not a limited amount of "data" there is however a limited amount if speed that can be given out. No one person can use all of the bandwidth of the line due to QoS.
@Zurie 7 жыл бұрын
+DeadlyDragon I am gonna stop you on that one. There is indeed a cost to transmitting data; and yes, while tax breaks help with the cost of upgrading infrastructure, let me remind you that it's more then just "putting up more towers". Those towers need permits to go up, and also need a fiber line connection. Which means digging up the ground and laying one in. Which means getting MORE permits from whatever area you are in. That costs more money, that then goes back into the local government. Then, once you have the tower in place, you still need a data center to run all that information through. That means buying a building, probably in a city somewhere, setting it up to handle the hundreds of servers you need to setup, which is not cheap in the slightest, and then staff the place with some very high level techs. Because when something goes wrong, you need it fixed NOW, and guys like that don't come cheap (Full disclosure, I AM one of those guys. I know this stuff inside and out). Yes, we are all getting screwed on costs. Yes, there is a TON of profit overhead. But things are not free. Yes, texting does indeed take up what is generally "unused space". However, in a regular contact, that information is tagged as such, and not read by any of the systems. A text, however, is flagged differently, and processed through the system, then sent out to the recipient. That all takes up resources that could be used for other things. Thus, there is a cost involved. Not being a corporate shill, I just hate misinformation.
@esra_erimez 7 жыл бұрын
Trace, When did you become a corporate shill?
@DeadlyDragon_ 7 жыл бұрын
simonmana the ipv4 issue hasnt been dealt with, ipv6 is great in theory however these companies spent a LOT of money for their ipv4 subnets. Therefore they dont want to move to ipv6 besides ipv4 is nicer to look at and with the addition of NAT we have been able to circumvent the issue of limited ip space.
@DeadlyDragon_ 7 жыл бұрын
simonmana it wouldnt change the speed that those spectrums can utilize, look up wifi technologies you will see that certain radio ranges are only. capable of certain speeds due to the wavelength of the radio wave. you are essentially trading off speed and distance. Do you want high speed and limited range? Or low speed and high range with a steady connection.
@larrimus4309 7 жыл бұрын
What did you expect, this is Discovery News? Though to play Devils advocate, he did mention how much we're being ripped off for our text messages.
@larrimus4309 7 жыл бұрын
+simonmana "Also why arent we running out of MAc adresses?" lmgtfy.com/?q=Why+aren%27t+we+running+out+of+MAC+Addresses%3F
@larrimus4309 7 жыл бұрын
+DeadlyDragon Imagine a world in which Cell Towers were no more than 100 meters apart. That would be awesome!
@abdullahalzayadi9038 7 жыл бұрын
I'm an IT professional and worked with wireless companies before. You said Netflix is a well "established" company and they say it 1 cent per Gigabyte... well poor AT&T, Verizon, sprint, and T-mobile they are very small compared to Netflix... smh after initial infrastructure investment the cost of data is very very low, and in the US after Telecommunications Act of 1996 those companies have so many Tax breaks and benefits that the infrastructure should be laid in fiber optic everyone by now. and if you have fiber in the ground you can increase number of towers, and increase the main fiber line speed by very small upgrades. Honestly man you didn't do your homework on this one and you look bad. Unlimited data is very achievable its just not as profitable as the situation now. greed is the main point not science.
@rolandward5079 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not so sure how feasible it is when you consider the sheer size of the US or Canada. Sure, it has been done in smaller countries like South Korea, it's possible but their population is comparatively more concentrated in urban areas and the whole of South Korea is smaller than Kentucky! Also, he said wired bandwidth costs 1 or 5 cents a month, that cost is obviously higher when you factor in the cost of transmitting that data wirelessly. Covering the majority of the USA with GOOD unlimited data (let alone fiber) would be no easy task. Yes, carriers could just offer unlimited again but the user experience would be awful in many places. If you have a data plan, you've probably noticed that speeds are much slower during peak traffic, imagine how bad they would be if everyone had unlimited data. There IS a bandwidth limit per tower, regardless of wired bandwidth. If all carriers allowed unlimited data then it would be impossible to guarantee decent service for the whole country. Every carrier offered unlimited data for a time, until their subscriber numberes got to a point where their networks were being strained.
@gremace 7 жыл бұрын
Sooo the real question is who paid him spout this bullshit Verizon or AT&T maybe Comcast good job you just lost a subscriber false clearly biased science
@rolandward5079 7 жыл бұрын
Lol no one is being paid here.. Also the video should be renamed as he is only talking about mobile data, I agree that data caps by cable providers are based mostly on greed (or misleading customers). The annoying part about US providers offering unlimited data is that they did so knowing that their infrastructure couldn't handle it and revoked/throttled unlimited data when their networks inevitably became too congested. Sprint and T-Mobile will stop offering unlimited (if they haven't already) once subscriber numbers get to a certain point. Verizon/AT&T cannot offer it because of their massive number of users.
@slick2517 7 жыл бұрын
Well both times when Telstra gave all customers unlimited mobile data for a day (compensation for service crashes) it was impossible to actually use the data because of how many people were trying to make the most of it
@terryosborne2964 7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely damn right US after Telecommunications Act of 1996 infrastructure spending that would eventually lead extremely high speed that we're supposed to have today. The whole fiber to the curb was the main promise. The promise of more competition of high-speed internet etc. The problem is the laws that were passed with in 4 years later. And things mergers that Should never happened. I know people are complaining he didn't tell the truth. But radio waves are part of the electromagnetic spectrum they need more spectrum everyone needs more spectrum, so fucking what! The real truth is at the end of the video Proprietary BS that allows them to keep the real cost a secret or lie. It really also just comes down to ignorance their average consumers.
@orbenlovesdrawing 7 жыл бұрын
Data is so expensive in South Africa ,its cheaper to take a taxi to your your friend. & show him the video then to sent it over social media
@DogsRNice 7 жыл бұрын
This video is propaganda for the cellular providers
@DogsRNice 7 жыл бұрын
I didn't even watch the video i just wanted to see if anyone would mindlessly agree with me. So far 7 people have. but the cell companies do suck
@GuyInBlackClothes 7 жыл бұрын
MCAT suuure
@agingchill9012 7 жыл бұрын
Right MCAT... it's physics. Lower frequency signals, like 800MHz to 1900MHz, travel farther (good for cell phones) but don't have near the capacity of a 2.4GHz wifi signal. Channel capacity is why the new 802.11ac wifi standard can carry much more data per second mainly because it does so at 5GHz. The main drawback being that at a given power the 5GHz signal doesn't travel near as far as 2.4GHz and even less so than 800MHz. Video consumes much more bandwidth than most other consumer activity because video is actually the downloading of 24 to 60, 1 to 2 megapixel pictures per second (fps). That's downloading 173,000 to 432,000 pictures per two hour movie! A video streaming at 5Mbps could carry 600 or more simultaneous phone conversations. So from a network perspective, finding ways to increase data rates or 'speed' is mainly so clients spend less time on your network. Most increases in data rates are due to using higher frequencies and advances in modulation techniques.
@RoshanDixit 7 жыл бұрын
DogsRNice Even I think the same
@henryadell9641 7 жыл бұрын
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@Master_Therion 7 жыл бұрын
Unlimited Data would be impossible to maintain. That's why in Star Trek there is only one Data.
@festerallday 7 жыл бұрын
Welllll... there is lore.
@CrazyVulcan 7 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine what the Trek universe would be like if you were in the middle of being beamed and you ran out of data and couldn't finish beaming your arm?
@Master_Therion 7 жыл бұрын
Carlos Aguilar I forgot about B4. I looked it up, apparently there were 5 Soong androids; Data, Lore, B4, Juliana Tainer (Soong's wife) and Lal (Data's daughter.) Damn robots breed like rabbits... rabbots?
@Master_Therion 7 жыл бұрын
CrazyVulcan In an episode of Voyager Tuvok and Neelix get merged into Tuvix... that's what can happen on a shared data plan.
@matbroomfield 7 жыл бұрын
Not any more there's not.
@OscarHernandez-wf8lf 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds like he is being paid by big companies to get us to think its okay to give up those unlimited plans
@blkspade23 7 жыл бұрын
First and foremost, don't uses the term "abuse" when talking about people using what's sold to them as an infinite resource. Do you abuse the sun standing outside all day? I'm pretty sure you're far less to it, than what its doing to you. Its a misdirection, when its the company at fault for over-selling their capacity. The only reason to charge per/GB is as a disincentive to use, because can't they actually handle all the people they're selling to, and they'd rather line pockets than expand infrastructure. Its like charging the people that got on the bus first more for the privilege of keeping their seat, instead off being forced to stand, and as opposed to the company expanding their fleet. Now there is some leeway for mobile, but it makes far less sense (but more cents) for wired providers.
@possiblyinsane6995 6 жыл бұрын
Stacey Bright its not sold as an infinite resource, read the print
@themaximus144 7 жыл бұрын
I mean, cummon man. I'm sure not having unlimited plans will free up more speed for everyone sure, but that's not why these companies are doing it. They are businesses. They do, what makes them money. Which means the reason they want to eliminate unlimited is to make money off the customers who will no longer have it rather than to help out the rest of their consumer base. Freeing up speed is just a helpful side effect. This can be proven by the fact that there are other ways to free up speed than simply eliminating unlimited plans. You could for example let them keep an unlimited plan, but then throttle their download speeds after they use x amount of data. right? This would have the same effect as removing the unlimited plan, would be less egregious as removing the plan entirely, but would make them no money, so they don't do it. Granted it would still suck, but it would be better than not having unlimited at all. There's probably other ways too.
@jaeshasway 7 жыл бұрын
Brendan Bush You're absolutely on point. I called AT&T to talk about my plan as I have unlimited data, but only 400 talk min and I pay for texting. I'm GF into the unlimited data, so I lose that if I switch plans to get unlimited talk and text, plus switching to 6gig unlimited talk/text is more expensive.
@DeadlyDragon_ 7 жыл бұрын
Brendan Bush it doesnt free up speed, these companies are given thousands of dollars in tax breaks to upgrade the backbone infrastructure(thats where speed really matters) believe it or not we have the technology to be able to push 10Gigabit internet to the end user, that being said we would need a larger backbone pipe.
@themaximus144 7 жыл бұрын
DeadlyDragon But I thought the whole point of the video was suggesting that unlimited plans are eating up the space we have in the "pipe" thus lowering everyone else's speed.
@denniswong7535 7 жыл бұрын
Brendan Bush spot on. Here in Canada, Wind and chatr offer unlimited data but throttles your speed after a certain limit. You can even pay more to increase that limit, say from 3gig/month to 6gig/month before throttling.
@alveolate 7 жыл бұрын
@Terri you can just text/talk over the internet... use whatsapp/skype for general communication with loved ones, then used paid minutes/text only for strangers. in fact, i think there's probably an app or some tech workaround to VoIP phone numbers, and web SMS may be available via certain carriers' websites.
@ian5007 7 жыл бұрын
"laughs in European" we don't have 4g everywhere but unlimited data is very cheap
@icommentvideos3528 7 жыл бұрын
Depends on your location. I have 4g everywhere, 200 gb data in Denmark and 10 gb data in EU + USA, China and more. :)) suck it usa
@luciehollick2446 7 жыл бұрын
4g is not every where in the USA either. Overall Europe has much better coverage than the USA.
@thedinkster5252 7 жыл бұрын
Lucie Hollick we are a global superpower that could wipe your continent off the face of the earth suck it europe😝😘
@GT101Nofear 7 жыл бұрын
Ian N. Then your data is worthless. We all have unlimited data as well, but restricted after a limit. No point in unlimited slow data.
@DONSMOKEPAPI 7 жыл бұрын
Ian N. Hell nah bruh, in belgium fucking 2gigs a month is atleast 40, companies rape us here..
@robithevampire 7 жыл бұрын
0:32 lol like how can you abuse unlimited data? It's unlimited like I can use how much data I want. How can you abuse that? They advertised it as unlimited
@nykolazjoya 5 жыл бұрын
Just because we dont know the limits of the universe means by fact is or isn’t infinite.
@Mohapi_Tau 3 жыл бұрын
@@nykolazjoya in that case they are/were lying when they advertised as 'unlimited'?
@mfUnknown 7 жыл бұрын
Bandwidth has nothing to do with how much data is used in a month, its about how much data you can use at once, it's not like what you suggest where previous data "clogs" the pipeline
@seraphina985 6 жыл бұрын
Sort of what you need to remember is that dedicated transit bandwidth costs way more than what residential customers are willing to pay, now I deal in web hosting not the internet access business but I do know first hand what the cost of wholesale dedicated bandwidth is in a lot of countries and one thing I can tell you with certainty it is a HELL of a lot more expensive than residential consumers think it is. The wholesale cost of the bandwidth the average residential customer can access if it was dedicated is roughly 15-25 times the monthly amount they pay for it, if residential customers started using their connection more than the average
@treymiller5736 6 жыл бұрын
There are millions of ppl using the very same towers not really at all once but when u have more ppl on towers often using more then “their share” others can’t use that share 200gb isn’t taking to much from them but 1million ppl doing that can start to cause them to max out internet speed can even lower if to many try to use data at once kinda like a traffic jam on b4 Christmas when more ppl are trying to go to store at once then the roads were ever designed to handle. But I’m an age where data is candy that 200gb may very well come to 2tb and ect such as everyone may wanting to stream 8k video (will be a few years but it will get here)
@BADISkettu 7 жыл бұрын
Here in Finland you can get unlimited 4G 100Mbps speed for 20€/month. And it's the standard here... Wherever you go, even if you are at the mountains hiking, you still get at least 2Mbps 3G connection.
@BADISkettu 7 жыл бұрын
Yes :D and US has 60 times the population x3
@vanhakaveri 7 жыл бұрын
Our population density is about half of yours, still our 4G covers pretty much the entire country.
@BADISkettu 7 жыл бұрын
"Incredibly sparely populated and visited" :D funny cuz that describes proppably 90% of Finnish landskape :D joking~
@vanhakaveri 7 жыл бұрын
***** Maybe this map will help you see how much of Finland is sparely populated :) The % on the right means how many % of our population live inside that circle. s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/aa/a0/41/aaa04116fe0d337683f93629fb0046ef.jpg
@hakes98 7 жыл бұрын
ForrestSCS well, U.S is some 30 times larger than Finland. ~9 833 000/~330 000 but there are 60 times more people in us. ~320 000 000/5 000 000. so i dont see why it would not be possible to build enough infra to cover the country internetwise.
@noahcisneros1787 7 жыл бұрын
This video brought to you by AT&T.
@sjdodge123 7 жыл бұрын
You said the solution in the video. cellular companies just need to build more infrastructure to compensate for data traffic. You know, the thing we PAY them for.. this video is horrible and does not address the point at all.
@rickjames5998 7 жыл бұрын
This video was cleary sponsored by the phone companies.
@Xgil2Play 7 жыл бұрын
The only thing impossible is impossibility!!
@Xgil2Play 7 жыл бұрын
NickTheSickDick And you had a rough childhood
@NickTheSickDick 7 жыл бұрын
Not really.
@xerus7425 7 жыл бұрын
what about a qualified discussion? Btw there are impossible things.
@Xgil2Play 7 жыл бұрын
Can be dreamed, can be done!
@thecommonfool2110 7 жыл бұрын
Breaking laws of physics (ie:going fiater than light *in a vacuum* ,creating matter without energy), taking down the presidential plane with a nerf, forming a united society, obtaining unobtanium, curing cancer by sacrificing goats and finally the hardest: *Making a phone not run out of battery in the most important moment*
@DaranDragon 7 жыл бұрын
This video is brought to you in part by: Verizion
@GuyInBlackClothes 7 жыл бұрын
DaranDragon 😂😂😂 *cricket wireless just laughs* This video is BS. If this is true, people would of already know about this.
@N5ZFJ 7 жыл бұрын
You got that right. The whole story was lies wrapped in crap. Stunk the whole way through.
@apexone5502 7 жыл бұрын
DaranDragon 🤣
@jaxonlewis3194 7 жыл бұрын
Verizon has unlimited data
@DaranDragon 7 жыл бұрын
Jaxon Lewis Not three weeks ago when I made the comment.
@Khercules 7 жыл бұрын
I have unlimited. Well, "unlimited". T-Mobile slows me down after 28 gigs. Not tethering or anything, just pure content and web browsing along with social media and the never-to-stop emails on my Android device.
@jonkc3635 6 жыл бұрын
Klerin Hercules Same with my plan. I'm using freedom mobile with 5gb. I once used 10gb per month just to see how far I could go with data usage.
@NevxHyper 6 жыл бұрын
Who else is using unlimited data to watch this?
@babaairi1274 6 жыл бұрын
I have unlimited per month
@salemas5 6 жыл бұрын
american problem. In europe probabbly everyone has unlimited data and atleast 100Mb/s. In lithuania we have ~300Mb/s for about 6-7 euros. Limited traffic ? wtf is that O_o, that's so 20's century..
@lancecombes 6 жыл бұрын
Me! 😂😂😂
@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis 6 жыл бұрын
Me also.
@ohnnoalex 6 жыл бұрын
Me
@IvanTravels 7 жыл бұрын
It's no unsustainable it's CORPORATE GREED!
@mwbgaming28 7 жыл бұрын
brought to you by corporate greed powered by capitalism and price fixing
@ovum 7 жыл бұрын
Nah, there's a legit limitation happening. US isn't like Korea that develops tech like LTE-A. Even Japan imposes data caps at their 10mbps mobile plans (Softbank) for 100GB a month.
@cortanathelawless1848 6 жыл бұрын
eggs yeah but you are also forgetting radio and television companies cling to their frequencies even though they are used waaaay less nowadays
@mariuscrow8346 6 жыл бұрын
Got it exactly right.
@bcubed72 6 жыл бұрын
Bull. I'm not wild about price-gouging life's necessities (food, water)...but data is a LUXURY GOOD. You don't NEED to stream SpankVision 24/7; "what the market may bear" is totally the best option here.
@spasticbutthole 7 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately home internet now has data caps as well. These companies are making profits above and beyond their bottom line and investing zero into infrastructure. If you do some research you would find that if they re-invested money into their infrastructure they could more then handle the traffic of so called "bingers" on both wireless networks and home internet providers. They wont do that because they can make even more money from the "data cap scheme" raking in millions of more dollars from overage penalties without investing a single dollar in new infrastructure.
@ForillCreationz 7 жыл бұрын
Spastic Butthole I don't have a data cap.
@spasticbutthole 7 жыл бұрын
Where do you live in the US?
@ForillCreationz 7 жыл бұрын
Spastic Butthole I don't live in the US. I live in Canada.
@slick2517 7 жыл бұрын
There's always been caps for home data. Unlimited is still relatively new
@daggawagga 7 жыл бұрын
This information comes as a surprise. I always assumed this scenario happened only in third world countries (such as where I live).
@JeekayTenn 7 жыл бұрын
My friend got banned from Unlimited Data by using 100GB in a few days
@StrifePulse 6 жыл бұрын
Jeekay Tenn LOL
@iaisosoakoaozoso5453 6 жыл бұрын
Jeekay Tenn I used 20 in a month
@PS3PS3PS3PS3 6 жыл бұрын
Damn that's a lot of pornhub
@alilabeebalkoka 6 жыл бұрын
Jeekay Tenn defeated the purpose of unlimited data anyways!!! Companies are stupid. You have unlimited data butt at the same time do not use to much of it either!
@xCookiee 6 жыл бұрын
HOW IS That possible to use that much
@miikavuorio6925 6 жыл бұрын
In Finland my unlimited data costs 2.90euro a month (about 3 dollars). I'm not kidding. And Finland has one of the fastest internet connections in the world wherever you go... I love this country.
@Asd12399 6 жыл бұрын
MrAce mee etelä koreaan...
@miikavuorio6925 6 жыл бұрын
ooo ooo onks siel viel paremmat hinnat ja nopeudet? Luulis että Singaporessa on parhaat.
@Leijona321 6 жыл бұрын
Ja millä ihmeen nopeudella sä 3 euroa kuussa nettiä selaat?
@miikavuorio6925 6 жыл бұрын
Epicci Saunalahti 4g. Niillä oli erikoistarjous moilta vaihtaville 3e kuussa rajaton 4g. Kaks vuotta. Sen jälkeen normi hinta on noin 25e jos muistan oikein.
@nykolazjoya 5 жыл бұрын
Any Finland gameplay streamer you can recall?
@adamrtr2774 7 жыл бұрын
well looks like im switching to t mobile
@GarudaLegends 7 жыл бұрын
Adam RTR i just got grandfathered in at tmoble 2 days ago. i get unlimited text, talk, mobile, and hotspot 4g lte. i dont have unlimited roaming though. check out tmobile one. i think the promotion lasts till sunday tonight
@megami215 7 жыл бұрын
Adam RTR don't t mobile is terrible
@zach7161 7 жыл бұрын
i'm grandfathered in at sprint i have unlimited everything except hotspot.
@lachancla3110 7 жыл бұрын
Zach Sprint sucks T-Mobil rocks
@zach7161 7 жыл бұрын
i've never had a problem with sprint so cool
@JCavLP 7 жыл бұрын
Proudly sponsored by: Cellphone services
@MostafaAkbari7 7 жыл бұрын
Why the F*** my mobile internet data is faster than the home internet?
@torzaa18 6 жыл бұрын
Because your phone connects to the Phone Towers and all the modems in your area will connect to the same server room and since everyone is using their home internet that means less traffic for mobile data which also means your phones internet will be faster than home internet. It's the same for me, my phones internet is faster than home internet.
@__-tz6xx 6 жыл бұрын
Your home internet will be a lot faster if you get a Wireless 802.11ax router which are coming out later this year and mostly next year. Look wireless 802.11ax up. It will only be as fast as the internet speed you are paying for from your internet provider though.
@jonetech5324 6 жыл бұрын
Mostafa Akbari Because you didn’t pay for the speeds... jk
@jonetech5324 6 жыл бұрын
Mostafa Akbari but actually DSL (I’m assuming) has a lot of obstacles to overcome before it gets to you.
@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis 6 жыл бұрын
You probably have DSL on a very long loop.
@HamishMacEwan 7 жыл бұрын
Unlimited data is impossible to maintain, unless you get your streaming service from the operator, then you can have 200GB of streaming video every month for ever. Does that sound even vaguely credible to you? Do you seriously imagine (or have calculated, because "Science") the number of 200GB users is sufficient to cause congestion? I'd leave a link, but if you Google "IS THE ‘BANDWIDTH HOG’ A MYTH?" by Diffraction Analysis, you'll probably get some numbers that help. However, as you mentioned yourself Trace, limits don't address congestion because whatever those limits, if everyone uses their quota at the same time... you're clever, you'll work it out. You have impacted the credibility you used to possess severely.
@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis 6 жыл бұрын
They really need to do a well-researched followup, perhaps in collaboration with Linus Tech Tips.
@xDayan 7 жыл бұрын
Nearly everything in this is wrong, There is barely any spectrum in the SMR Band(800Mhz) AWS & PCS Has Far more, Not to mention Sprints BRS Spectrum. DNews do some research before making a video. And unlimited data isn't going away, AT&T Brought it back last year, and its not going anywhere, in Larger cities they need to have more micro-cells, and in rural areas just deploy the spectrum they have, As someone using 200GB Per month only avg ~.62 Mp/s out of a tower thats has all of lets say AT&T Spectrum deployed on it In Kennewick, WA, which if it was all Deployed on LTE would be 600 Mp/s, and thats before 4x4 MIMO & 256 QAM, and any Unpaired Downlink Spectrum thats will be CA in the future.
@wthilmi 7 жыл бұрын
American problem, not mine...
@DylanJo123 7 жыл бұрын
Balsac Teabaghar glory to the god emperor
@dragonsmasher112 7 жыл бұрын
Canadian too
@snugnuggz 6 жыл бұрын
Astro now that. That is racist.
@martinxy1291 6 жыл бұрын
amen to that, well unless the idoits go and have a nuke orgy with russia, china, or north korea (4 of the 9 FUCKS that dont know what overkill means) then its everyones problem
@bwold9138 6 жыл бұрын
Then why are you commenting if it doesn't apply to you?
@landonimo 7 жыл бұрын
AT&T sure seems to be fine with offering unlimited data (as long as you have DirecTV). I have their unlimited and I figured out a way to bypass their hotspot blockage, and I've used 140GB of data so far. Been doing that for months and I haven't gotten a single letter in the mail or notification from them. On another note, if you want to figure out how to get past the hotspot blockage, I uploaded a video on how to do it if you want to check it out!
@lindaa2458 6 жыл бұрын
I was looking for that video! How do I find it???
@raccoonkid9517 6 жыл бұрын
1:46 When I tell girls why they should date me
@willtay6550 4 жыл бұрын
Bruh
@AZREDFERN 7 жыл бұрын
Those poor poor multi billion dollar reagonal cellphone monopolies! How will they feed their families if they actually have to use the money they make to upgrade and maintain their system?
@TeKaMOTO 7 жыл бұрын
Glad I live in Finland where the operators don't even dare to offer a limited data option cause that would just be a death wish for them, lol :D
@TeKaMOTO 7 жыл бұрын
And in case your wondering, it costs me about 24€/month and basically everything is unlimited. :)
@jimbo-dev 6 жыл бұрын
Telia offers limited data plans
@kushwantsingh3330 6 жыл бұрын
I live in India and i get same benefits at 5$ per month with unlimited 4G calling and sms
@Yz85rider338 5 жыл бұрын
Never realized just how bad US cell service providers have us by the balls until I read through these comments..
@alexbelushi3207 7 жыл бұрын
In Saudi Arabia the mobile operator "Mobily " Provide 100% unlimited 4G data for $45 per month and they never slow down your speed as long you are connected to 4G network. Friend of mine already downloaded data 800GB per month.
@wormspeaker 7 жыл бұрын
Trace, the one glaring thing that you overlooked is that while the "pipes" may be full on a per cell tower basis, that's a locational thing. If you go a few hundred yards away you'll likely be on another tower. If this was anything but a price gouging issue the carriers would simply create a plan which had congestion fees. i.e. You only use part of your limit when you're on a tower which is more than a specific percent full. (Say 80% for example.) This is why many companies used to charge for your minutes during the day but gave you unlimited minutes after a certain hour in the night. Simply put after a given hour their towers were always at less than capacity and therefore it really cost them next to nothing to allow you unlimited use of those towers. The same remains true for data. After a certain hour at night nearly all cell towers have a whole lot of extra capacity on their data channels. The only ones which remain congested are those near all night hot spots like nightclubs and such. Ultimately the carriers want extra money (as they always do) and instead of expanding capacity by building more towers they wish to simply pocket the extra money. The ISPs in the US have been doing the same thing and the FCC has let them get away with it, so if I were a mobile service provider, I'd want to get in on that action too.
@georged333 7 жыл бұрын
who uses 200gigs on their phone? I use my phone a lot for streaming and over video viewing, but only use about 15-20gigs on network. And this is mostly because I work about 10-11 hrs a day.
@androidunderground40 7 жыл бұрын
George Dorsey i use 150gb on my T-Mobile unlimited plan a montb usually. I use my phone for usb tethering to my PC with pdanet. i also use the 18gb of hotspot to game. basically my phone is where i get all of my Internet needs. i don't trust ISPs like Comcast nor at&t.
@georged333 7 жыл бұрын
2SidedTech oh ok, I see. I wish they would have explained a bit more in this video about the ways people use their data. But, yeah now I see how people can get to that amout of gigs in a month.
@cavethief6761 7 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile over here in Germany with it's stone age data infrastructure, I get 1GB for 20€. And for unlimited data T-Mobile want's 200 fucking euros. HOW GREAT IS THAT
@jarumboy1 7 жыл бұрын
CaveThief damn, just over the border (the Netherlands) we get unlimited data for all of Europe for €35,- with t-mobile
@doriphor 7 жыл бұрын
Can you hook a brother up?
@iceddz 7 жыл бұрын
Watching this technology develop (3G and 4G) over the years in the US while working at Verizon in tech support, I've seen the actual internal cost to the company for things like texting, and data usage. It's unfathomably low to maintain, compared to what they charge. This has evolved over the years, to benefit the consumer in some ways, and of course to benefit the company's profit margins. Verizon's percentage of pure profit off of data plans is so high, you'd unsubscribe from them if you knew.
@Snowfireblues 6 жыл бұрын
Phone company: Unlimited data LTE Bandwidth: You must construct additional pylons
@DZR3WIND 7 жыл бұрын
Many Americans already have unlimited data. The only way one can lose those plans at the moment is switching service carriers or abusing your service agreements. I have unlimited everything(data, call, text) since i still have an old mobile plan that my Carrier said they would honor for the next decade or so. Also, not all of the US has LTE/4G due to the fact that many parts of the US are very sparsely populated (areas like Wyoming to the Dakotas). But if there is one thing i can say the US is better than most of Europe or Asia and that is that almost every person in the US with home internet has unlimited home data, unlike many Europeans that have limited home internet data. Now that would really suck!
@alilabeebalkoka 6 жыл бұрын
DZR3WIND Comcast has a limit on home data and they are the largest service provider in the United States. Comcast limits the data to 250GB a month currently.
@morosis82 6 жыл бұрын
Meh, we have limited data, but it's about 300GB/month or so, and so for the average person effectively unlimited. If you want more you can pay for it.
@No_timezone77 7 жыл бұрын
I only have 1 GB per month 😑
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@No_timezone77 7 жыл бұрын
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@__prometheus__ 7 жыл бұрын
Minecraft pe nation Damn you went sooo low doing that.
@duststorm9548 7 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for those multi billion world wide companies ;-)
@ninjanerdstudent6937 7 жыл бұрын
The most data I've used in month has been 20 GB, but that has only been when tethering the phone to other devices. Also, that only happens when traveling. Now that iOS 10 is jailbroken, it shouldn't be long until the tethering app has been updated to work with iOS 10. My 4G LTE actually works more efficiently than the Comcast hookup at home because it's always available. When Comcast fails for about 3 to 4 hours of the night, which is most nights that the internet goes down, I rely heavily on the phone's 4G LTE to be used on the computer. The 4G LTE is actually a lot cheaper than Comcast's home internet. As long as my phone is jailbroken, I really have no purpose of paying Comcast anything, but of course, there are other people in the house who rely on Comcast, so we have to have multiple internet connections.
@wandererstraining 7 жыл бұрын
Wait, you still have to jailbreak iOS devices to use tethering? Or is it just because your iPhone is a carrier device?
@07scapepking 7 жыл бұрын
lol serivce providers are rich i dont see this being an issue espically when most companies dont refund you on unused data
@AlrekArinbjorn 7 жыл бұрын
So there's a bottle neck, I'll give the script writers credit for that, but for as long as internet providers give us data-caps. They're going backwards
@ImKittyCow 7 жыл бұрын
It absolutely is sustainable, the user that uses 200gb of data is the exception, not the rule. And even if they were the rule it costs companies practically nothing to provide users with data, especially compared to what they charge. An "unlimited" plan would only be unsustainable if users actually were capable of using an unlimited amount of data, which they certainly arent. It is a perfectly functional business model to create infrastructure capable of handling general use as well as the outlying high usage users, without charging 10,000% cost overages for shits and giggles.
@cheepshooter 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not worried since it seems like the moment one carrier drops that plan, in the us, another starts offering it. Examples: around 2010 sprint's "truly unlimited" plan was offered. When that dropped T-Mobile offered their version. Now Cricket wireless has it.
@jaredj631 6 жыл бұрын
God dam it I clicked a D-news video by mistake again.
@izarscharf7845 7 жыл бұрын
but why do we have limited data on home internet ?
@Livingeidolon 7 жыл бұрын
ForrestSCS it's coming. Many ISPs are putting data caps on their home plans.
@izarscharf7845 7 жыл бұрын
ok i live in a shit hole in belgium, but still i have a 100gb data cap then my speed goes down to 100kbps ffs
@millhouse782 7 жыл бұрын
I can't even get wifi lmao. I only live 2 miles out of town but xfinity has an Internet monopoly here. In order to get them to wire toward our house we'd have to pay $45,000.
@millhouse782 7 жыл бұрын
lil sunny lil sunny I don't know, it's bullshit
@sajidahsan9819 6 жыл бұрын
Catkins which country?
@srpenguinbr 7 жыл бұрын
Phone companies were trying to ban unlimited wire internet in Brazil. Their services are already bad and expensive, I used to pay about 25 dollars for one of 1MB
@007Kellam 7 жыл бұрын
Same reason why LTE speeds are faster during the day than at night. Each tower can supply 10 gigabits of bandwidth (or my local tower at least) and each phone, when completely unrestrained, uses about 30 megabits a second when loading something on the internet over LTE. That means about 300 phones can be connected and downloading or uploading data at the same time, without running into problems, that number might seem small, but remember when you load a web page, it only accesses the network for a second or 2. Say, 1000 phones were all sending data all at once, then the network has to start rationing the data, and each phone will only get about 10 megabits of data access, meaning your web page will load slower.
@Guitar_shred00098 7 жыл бұрын
$95 monthly for unlimited high speed data and 7gigs tethering. Not bad seeing as i won't use WiFi for my phone.
@TheMrZeppo80 7 жыл бұрын
where do you live cause that's a quite a lot of money just for internet? 30$ for unlimited including tethering here.
@aviitar7202 7 жыл бұрын
guardian where i live its 110$ for unlimited everything
@Guitar_shred00098 7 жыл бұрын
Aviitar, AT&T here in Albuquerque USA.
@losojosdehotspanish2162 7 жыл бұрын
Aviitar 70 with cricket (Texas )
@fireriffs 7 жыл бұрын
The dollar sign goes before the amount not after. $30 not 30$. Good grief we need to fix our education!
@Sophistry0001 7 жыл бұрын
I call bullshit. I can understand that unlimited data may not be sustainable, but that's the contract that some people signed. The company needs to honor their word and stop capping people who use too much on an "unlimited" plan. They shouldn't have ever offered "unlimited" if they couldn't provide what they were selling. These customers signed a contract with their provider for unlimited data, but when they use too much the provider slaps them with throttling or a fine like the customer somehow fucked up.
@southtexasmayhem5412 7 жыл бұрын
I have suspected that this channel was heavily influenced by corporate interests for some time, but this along with other recent episodes verifies this beyond question.
@bacawaka2813 7 жыл бұрын
The key word is infrastructure development. ISP's and cellular providers get a set amount of money from each customer to run a business and maintain a a constant signal. Not only that, they have tax money to upgrade of the infrastructure based on the 1996 telcom act, so they are saying that it is too expensive is a crock. If they cannot provide the signal for a general population, then they should place a cap on the number of customers they can provide instead of limit the data usage. Also, they make it extremely difficult for competing business to fill the void and continue to provide unlimited data. They do such by persuading the votes of politicians with bonuses and campaign contributions.
@ieatass4226 7 жыл бұрын
isn't 5g coming in a few years where is gonna be like 4gb per a second downloads?
@ihyperionsfearless5465 7 жыл бұрын
vinboi World Cup 2018... Wikipedia estimated release date.
@ieatass4226 7 жыл бұрын
iHyperions / Fearless oh well, im confused how data transfer of 200 gb over the course of a month is a problem if in a year people can take in 200 gb in a few seconds
@DeadlyDragon_ 7 жыл бұрын
vinboi i wouldnt suspect we would get 4Gigabit internet anytime in the near future, we are just now getting gigabit. The cell infrastructure doesnt have a backbone capable of those speeds, and you know better to think US ISPs are going to be spending any amount of money on their infrastructure
@SyntheticFuture 7 жыл бұрын
5G, as far as I know, is more about combining shared WiFi with 4G and other existing networks to more actively use the WiFi coverage that is pretty much everywhere.
@DeadlyDragon_ 7 жыл бұрын
ThaTyger unfortunately that wont work :/ i looked into something similar except by using two separate hardline connections, you wont see any increased speed this way as you can only be using one connection at a time, there is an rfc for multipathTCP but it hasnt been updated since 2013. Also this would only affect tcp traffic youtube and any other streaming traffic is udp.
@craigrudolph9477 7 жыл бұрын
Dnews are starting to sound more like propaganda
@mtothem1337 6 жыл бұрын
I couldn't care less about phones, but if they ever want to limit my internet connection data at home. then we will riot.
@touch9968 7 жыл бұрын
You know what grinds my gears? The data I pay for gets used up from commercials such as services like KZfaq. I shouldn't be paying to watch commercials.
@danthepyroman1 7 жыл бұрын
Sponsored by Verizon and AT&T
@ghettobrown209 7 жыл бұрын
It was T-Mobile or cricket that stated less than 3% of their customers go over 30gb a month, .....I am the 1 percent
@heropld 7 жыл бұрын
In Bulgaria there are 3 national carriers, each of which offers unlimited talk, text and data for about $10-12, which are the best offers.
@johnwang9914 7 жыл бұрын
It's a little like phone service, once the infrastructure is much greater than the demand then there is no real cost to the bandwidth. That's why local phone calls have not had minute charges for several decades. The introduction of smart phones placed demand above existing infrastructure capabilities but adding infrastructure is cumulative hence eventually there will be more infrastructure then needed till another service demands more. Unlimited data may be a relic of pre-smart phone accounts now but once there is sufficient infrastructure they will return if not by competition then by the simple fact that the carriers may not want to bother with tracking all the data use and debating the charges with customers.
@cameronskinner806 7 жыл бұрын
In the title it says impossible
@jenovaizquierdo 7 жыл бұрын
well got to used Project FI from Google if you don't used ALOT of data, I have it and been saving ALOT not using it. Love you.
@fen4554 7 жыл бұрын
Unlimited data would have been possible up until streaming video became a mainstay in our entertainment. I can still remember my shock as a broadcast tech when youtube started streaming HD... For free.
@DrinkHCl 7 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, in Romania, the leading landline service provider RCS&RDS - the ISP famous for its 1gbps GPON landline internet speeds at a $12/mo price - is offering a roughly $3 contract with "unlimited" data speed capped at 50GB and unlimited minutes and texts on their network and 200 mins / SMSes for national and international communication outside their network. And they have a ~$5 contract with unlimited anything (still a 50GB speed cap) except international calls and texts. Furthermore, both contracts also have a VoIP service tied to your contract's minutes to basically eliminate roaming costs.
@steviecal96 7 жыл бұрын
Wait.. I've been getting piped?
@OneManOnFire 7 жыл бұрын
I'm on Sprint and I have unlimited everything guaranteed for life.
@nykolazjoya 5 жыл бұрын
Haha Hows it feel when you get those text messages from them… They trick you buddy.
@Fruitarian. 7 жыл бұрын
thats just sad while files are getting bigger, 4k, uhd streaming, gigs of game, hundred of mbs for an app we dont have unli data
@kabloosh699 7 жыл бұрын
The second sprint puts caps on their data like that is the day I start looking at another cell company. The biggest selling point to me is their unlimited data plan. Verizon only gave me 2 gigs which was super easy to go over in a month. I was pretty limited in what I could do with that level of data cap. I don't think I'd have a problem with something like a 200gb limit since I think I've managed to get around 80 gigs once, but I like being able to use my smart phone like a smart phone most places. Sprint does have a weak network when out in the mountains but for most places I'm at I can do plenty.
@The7ths 7 жыл бұрын
shouldn't you be busy assembling the 4 horsemen
@PixelGarett 7 жыл бұрын
lol i have at&t unlimited data and i've already used 57 gbs and no slow downs or anything yet yet.
@nykolazjoya 5 жыл бұрын
I got verizon and yet used 149GB
@king124kine 7 жыл бұрын
We got a letter from Comcast the other day at my house, we have unlimited data but the letter said we exceeded more than 99% of what there users use, the number was 1200 GB of data, so now they are charging us even though we had limited...
@zacksstuff 7 жыл бұрын
I have T-Mobile with Unlimited Data, and I average 10-20 GB per month. It's nice to never have to worry about running out of data.
@ninjanerdstudent6937 7 жыл бұрын
I think I know who the sponsor of the video is.
@neildegrassetyson2615 7 жыл бұрын
i had a ad about unlimited data XD
@shamanofshenandoah6654 7 жыл бұрын
Im grandfathered in and my phone bill is 250 a month for three phones. If they told me they were no longer going to honor my unlimited data we are squaring up in the Sprint store.
@flawns 7 жыл бұрын
who funded this episode? AT&T is that you? suck my ass! "running out of data" lmaooooooooooo how kewt :*
@EricChamplin 7 жыл бұрын
Paid for in part by T-Mobile? ;)
@dbsirius 7 жыл бұрын
My pipe is already pretty big.
@lazyperfectionist1 7 жыл бұрын
You braggin'? 🤔
@dbsirius 7 жыл бұрын
+lazyperfectionist1 Yep, it hangs on the line.
@AluminumHaste 6 жыл бұрын
I know 15 billion over 3 years sounds like a lot, it really isn't in comparison to the money these companies make. Any company with shareholders is suspect of lying about the true cost of bandwidth.
@scottm6338 7 жыл бұрын
Data plans in the UK are actually pretty decently priced for unlimited data, it's just if you add in the phone plan (like a new iphone, samsung etc) is when it gets sooo expensive. I think I pay £65 for an iphone 7 plus, 20gb data and insurance. Coverage in the UK is also DREADFUL. Especially in Scotland, I can barely get signal anywhere outside a large city/town
@IndianBoy77 7 жыл бұрын
try JIO next time bro 😎
@aryangrover768 7 жыл бұрын
Siddharth Shinde Indian swag😎
@salahd7 7 жыл бұрын
Siddharth Shinde Only for the first GB. After that, 128 kbps is absolute shit.
@digzero 7 жыл бұрын
wow. this is major shilling. unsubed.
@coolbrotherf127 7 жыл бұрын
200GB per month is insane for one cell phone user. As an avid KZfaq watcher and gamer, I use about 90GB per month on my desktop PC which I use all the time. On my phone, which has uncapped data (meaning I just pay for what I use but it's essentially unlimited), I only use about 1.5GB per month of average phone usage. You would have to do a ton of video streaming or BitTorrent sharing with your phone to use 200GB per month.
@CalvinHodgson 7 жыл бұрын
And a few weeks later, Verizon folds and goes all unlimited. AT&T drops the Direct TV requirement. All carriers now offer unlimited data.
@farooqt541 7 жыл бұрын
lol sucks for you guys I pay 25 bucks a month and have unlimited I mean unlimited amount of data calls and text
@Lord_Fidel 7 жыл бұрын
Pull off this biased verizon sponsored bullshit and I'm unsubscribing, how much did they pay?
@TorbenLinnemannNielsen 7 жыл бұрын
Here in Denmark, more and more companies are giving free data and it costs around 12$ for free data, free calls, free SMS and free mms.
@robertsteich7362 7 жыл бұрын
4 weeks after this video... Verizon Wireless, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile all added unlimited data or changed their already unlimited plan to all of its customers, not just those who subscribed to an other service.
@kcin41 7 жыл бұрын
As a Network Engineer, who has worked for mobile companies, you should be pissed that you are paying for data. The only cost to them, is electricity and very minimal labor if something breaks after it's all set up. Data isn't this finite thing, most of the systems I worked on were at less than 60-70% capacity at peak times. Paying for anything other than just a connection fee, like internet, is literally like paying for something that doesn't exist.
@zuigdoos 7 жыл бұрын
Main reason to create databundles is money, we have one of the most expensive mobile data bundles of Europe here. To think we used to have unlimited data but since everyone started calling and texting via the internet their profits went downhill.
@vonneely1977 7 жыл бұрын
Data hogs are offset by the far greater number of people who buy the same "unlimited" plans but barely use any data. If one person uses 2tb and another only uses .5tb, their average use is only 1.25tb, and every .5tb user they add only lowers that average further.
@NikoKauppi 7 жыл бұрын
In Finland, the more populated the area, the cheaper and faster the internet you'll get. I lived in a middle of nowhere. I got a data only plan for about 20€ a month, unlimited data 100M/20M. Now that I'm in Canada Hamilton I would really REALLY want to know where the money is going.
@canucktheory3271 7 жыл бұрын
Here in Canada we have outrageous data pricing for mobile phones. $30/gigabite? Check... $100/mth for unlimited text and calling and only 2.5 gigs of data? Sure thing. It's a scam and anything that says otherwise is either sponsored by telcos or so far out of touch its stunning. Sure, punish those abusing hundreds of gigabytes of data a month, but when we can't even get 50 gigs (its not even an option) and the closest thing we have is 7-10 gigs for hundreds a month there is definitely a problem.
@christianlopez4016 7 жыл бұрын
basically like a buffet, a guy shows up and eats 10 dishes plus dessert and leaves 😐 making it more than worth his single pay and the company losing money
@TSPxEclipse 7 жыл бұрын
I have found several comments where people think that 4G LTE means that you get 4Gbps download speed... Hot damn, that's 4x faster than some of the fastest home internet ISP's with fiber-optic cabling. If you get gigabit internet, I'm envying you... anyways, it actually means 4Ghz bandwidth, which is explained in the video as basically a "bigger pipe" and not a faster transfer rate. For example, I have 100Mbps (12.5MBps) download rate over a 5Ghz bandwidth. I hope I taught some people a thing or two about networking, but seriously, if you have gigabit internet I am jealous of you.
@CaedenV 7 жыл бұрын
1) supply and demand dictates that if there is a limited amount of supply and the people are demanding so much of it, then the price would go up. Instead we have seen the price remain the same, or decrease slightly over the last 5 years, while the profit margins have gone up nicely. Sure, if you live in a large down-town area then the data is maxed out among users... but if you live int eh suburbs then there is plenty of bandwidth to spare. 2) 200GB of data is a lot... but that is MAYBE 0.01% of users, and they do it just because they don't care. The 'average' user is under 2GB/mo. Not because we don't use tons of data on our phones, but because we have WiFi everywhere. It is at home, work, restaurants, etc. And we don't use it because we are thrifty; we use it because wifi calling is just about the only way you can hold a conversation when you are indoors on most phones/carriers. The side effect is that almost all of your data, and a large chunk of phone calls done outside of a vehicle are all through WiFi and your building's internet connection. This is a HUGE subsidy on the phone company that the internet companies are essentially paying for. So essentially what is happening is that cell providers drag their heels upgrading infrastructure, which causes poor service. Service is then off-loaded through other internet infrastructure, which causes the overall load to go down, while we are still charged the same amount of money. They are literally making more money by not doing their jobs... it is quite literally insane.