Fun fact is that I’ve tested all those features but it didn’t make it into the edit for this video… “gotta keep ‘m audience retention high”

@@Whiteseastudio Really!

@@Whiteseastudio fair :D my comment was a way to highlight your independence and the fact that the video was a complete surprise for us too :D

@HoRNet Plugins Great plugin.. I work on dance music all in the box at the moment..Would you say this plugin is more for Live Instruments or would it benefit or work better on my VSTs runnnig currently at 48,000hz

@@KitKalvert well it all depends on the kind of feeling you want to get, if you make clean impactful elm I don't think you should use analog emulations at all but if you want a more retro vibe...why not

Thank you very much for your support :)

Agree there are fewer Sound KZfaqrs I trust and Wytse is one of them because he calls out bs

Lmfao this is so sad. Dude is probably the worst teacher in existence

I think you got the wrong channel this ain't a tutorial or education channel lol

I'm saying that the snake oil series makes it a lot easier to figure out what plugins are not for your workflow or what plugins are just plain bad

You are more than welcome :) in the and of the day what matter to us is to give you nice sounding tools at the best possible price so everybody can have access to them!

Thank you very much, the plugin is meant to be used as first insert, like a mixer preamp so made sense to add automatic gain for gain staging :)

I second that wish. :)

Generally on more Airwindows plugins would be cool!

Also latest Analog obsession stuff like his BLENDEQ is really nice imo

He does make some 'off the wall' interesting stuff.

He's a good developer, but the caveat is that he hasn't been able to compete against TEAMS (plural for people) like Klanghelm, Softube, Izotope, even House of Kush/Kush Audio or Tone Projects even. The only solo developer that has been able to compete against giants like Waves Israel and Softube is the Voxengo developer and he's one of the first to make VST effect plugins without using the limiting SynthEdit software developer kits! Unfortunately, most of his plugins have been upstaged more recently by TEAMS (plural) of developers doing the same thing. As the old axiom goes, "the lone wolf dies alone"...you need a TEAM to compete out here.

@@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY I'm going to disagree with you there, there's some amazing work out there by solo developers .. Analog Obsession, airwindows, Audio Assault, Tukan, , Viator DSP, Yuri Semenov just off the top of my head. Sure, you're unlikely to see certain niche products like say Izotope Neutron from a solo developer due to the scale issue you mention. But one thing I do know, is that the solo developers tend to make relatively streamlined software, and it's either free or great value for money. I tend to use it more often than the "big team" type software, to be perfectly honest.

Tb pro audio is also a solo developer if i remember correctly

@@pelennorDSP Absolutely right, and when you work with Ableton this can be applied on Max For Live devices, lot of lonely developers make amazing devices.

Yes his assessment’s do appear to be authentic.

CC and all that coke. washoooooo

Thank you very much indeed :) I hope you are liking the plugin :)

Hi, yes the all do the same stuff, this is our take on analog console saturation :)

don't forget to make it vintage looking and have lost of rusty screws..and a big interface lol

Yes. And NO DEMO

Actually it changes the capacitors so it changes frequency response, and changes the bias in transistor and tube while in opamp simulates the power unit giving less current and thus changing the saturation point

@@HoRNetWeb Yes. It changes the capacitance, but can the effects really be simplified like that? It will also change ESR and DC-leakage. How these affect the circuit will depend on what the cap is doing in the circuit. Probably the most audible change would be the the low frequency response because of the coupling caps. But how on earth would capacitors change how much current is available on the power supply? Are we talking about old fashioned linear power supply in this? (I wouldn't really see the point in simulating a switch mode PSU here.)

@@Elektronijaenis sure, on pampas the effect is just to change the frequency of the coupling DC filters (bringing them into audible spectrum) and also changing the cutoff of the feedback loop. Regarding the power amp, keep in mind that we are simulating 80s stuff here, switching were not common in power amp so we have big transformers, power rectifiers, power transistors used for stabilization and big electrolitics used as current buffers, what happens when this capacitors dry out? less current to handle big peaks in audio, this in turns creates more saturation.

@@HoRNetWeb Yes. Transformers, rectifiers and filtering. That's exactly why I thought your answer was weird. I can understand a bit less current on peaks if there are any peaks. However... That mainly applies to power amps (class AB and such). However, mixers are preamp circuitry and as such should pull mainly quite even current. So... That's why I don't really get what you are explaining something about the peaks. But anyhow... There might be something I'm not quite understanding as I'm not a pro (just been tinkering with audio electronics since 90's).

@@Elektronijaenis well condor the current drain of a whole console, it's not just a fe milliamps like it would be if this was a single preamp unit, a dried capacitor in the power source of a 48 tracks console may well reduce the total current available...

Now go and get their Tape emulator and VU meter. You won't regret it my friend.

@@Mcgiver699 thank you :)

I personally hate scratches and screws, I'm always after the LCARS star trek vibe :D

KONSOL is absolute dope! I have stopped searching for btter, i'm very very happy with it :)

yeah, I don't like oversampling in general for this reason. It definitely sounds smoother or something along those lines the higher you go, but that almost never equates to better in my book. I like a little rough edges in my music, and you definitely lose some transient detail or something like that whenever you oversample.

Exactly when is it to analogy lol never.. no little gos a long way it takes a long time to really learn that

You can use Softube‘s Tape as a Mix-Effect in StudioOne‘s summing engine. Or use StudioOne‘s own PortaDesk Mix-Effect wich makes it sound like an old Portastudio for real.

Thank you very much for the support! have you tried the plugin did you like it?

almost like that but since drying out capacitors and also change the bias point, there is a different effect on Transistor and Tube models that are class A amplifiers, you start to get an asymmetric saturation so positive half waves are saturated earlier than negatives

@@HoRNetWeb Ooh very nice to know it works that way, I thought it was just HP/LP filters too but makes sense. Thanks for that.

Its not, just another flavor of saturation

Thank you very much 🙏

I just wish they were more CPU efficient :(

Thank you very much :) which one are your favorite?

@@tonogram with which plugin are you having this CPU issues?

​@@HoRNetWeb I've had serious issues with SongKeyMK3 and MK4. Even on a desktop computer they caused me drop outs. It looked like CPU consumption / buffer use is generally OK, but then peaks really shortly, but critically. But that's of course not a problem you run on a regular audio project :)

Facts!

@@payso1382 What facts? Ask Dan Worall, he is set up for comparisons and debates on this issue as well.

I was agreeing with you. I feel the same way. The "Analogue Vibe", is a series of processes working together. Not slappin one plugin on, and calling it the day😂😂. I'm loving the vibe I'm getting through my processing process. I jus released my first single "Moon Dancin, by:Hunned". It's available on all platforms. Tell me if it sounds "Analogue" or not. Lol🎶🎵🔥🔥🤟🏼

@@payso1382 sorry my mistake. Your mix and song sound great, like the way your treating the vocals. Synths sound warm and analogue. Perfect for 4/20 holidays :)

@@genuinefreewilly5706 Thank you bro!Appreciate the feedback. My song has been standing well, when played behind industry top 10 artists, and I mixed it completely ITB.

I like the rule tec eq1 very much because it gives me the same feel for only 30 bucks.

@@an_isopod For me the saturation sounds different in these 3 examples but I didn't take any serious measurements to compare them and confirm my impressions.

What is your fav console summing emulation? You seem to have a lot of knowledge and youre right theres a lot of them out there , so I’d appreciate you opinion if you get a chance. Thanks!

probably to give you a little more flexibility

@@Rhuggins Try KONSOL by Anaog Obsession. It's free (donationware in fact). There is auto pre and post gain staging. You have the drive knob to get some more. So EZ to use! 3 types of consoles (op-amp, tubes or transistor), optional oversampling (4x i think), an optional buss/track switch and you can even turn on or off the transformer emulations A clean output gain, and low and high EQ knobs. Perfect! The sickest little magic box i tried, so far. And i tried many

@@KOjoe1k67 I use that somewhat regularly, thats for reminding me about it. The buss mode is particularly cool. Some of his plugins are outstanding. I’d say ALL of them are coded very very solidly. However (and i havent tested this one) i notice that upon analysis in plugindoctor and other utility software, some of his plugins tend to be very light in the harmonics department. Sometimes even lighter than acustica stuff - which is notoriously clean, even with preamps engaged. Wasnt sure if perhpas there was a better option. Im beginning to thing that some per channel saturation, pre amp emulation (for frequency response), and Dr.Ms for crosstalk on the master might be the best bet. Funny enough Waves NLS does this pretty well

@@Rhuggins I like most of the console emulations from Plugin Alliance. I use the SSL J, AMEK, and Focusrite all the time.

Never pay full price for a Brainworx plugin. Should go for at least 75% off 5 or 6 times per year.

You can't compare those. It's like...what is best, a distotion plugin or a reverb? It's apples and oranges. The Bx consoles are channelstrips, their main selling points being really great EQs and filters (In case of the J and the N, probably the best EQs and filters outside of Nebula tech.) They also have compressors etc. Considering you can get the Bx channelstrips during a sale for like 29 bucks, WITH all those features included, the Hornet plugin actually becomes the more expensive option considering what you get and don't get. If anything you might compare it to SumThing (Tukan) or NLS (Waves), Briton/Satson (Sonimus).

Than you very much :) I'm happy 31 helps you get better mixes

No shit!? I never hear anyone talk about it so I figured maybe it’s not so great

I absolutely agree. There is nothing going as deep as the Mix-FX in StudioOne. Even SK-Notes stripBus which has the plugin instances communicating, does not go that deep. And the Brit Console or the Transformer of the Alpine are really sounding great. But Wytse prefers another DAW…. \_‘|‘_/

Agreed, the console emulations built into Studio One are superb! 😎

Yes, that's exactly why it's there, so you can overdrive badly the input. OpAmps are pretty clean but don't sound very good when pushed vey hard once they only produce odd harmonics.

There is a global THD knob in the Brainworx (PA) channel strips, or am I getting you wrong?

Well we have 8 groups and a handy "send to all" option for EVERY parameter you see in the interface, just right click on each knob/ button and you can choose if you want tit to be shared with its group or globally with every instance

Which Plugin do you mean?

We have been in contact some time ago with persons to port thew previous version of this plugin to their system but we did some research and it did not seem to be of much interest...are we wrong?

I bet Analog Obsession will be the best : )

And maybe include Studio One which superb console emulations already built in. 😎

Love Analog Obesission. But i'm having problems with NCAR on Logic Pro's latest version.

Annnd KONSOLE by AO. It's a fantastic gear

was trying to use NCAR in Ableton but haven't figured out how to route it internally yet. also wondering what the difference between these summing mixer colorations/saturation vs other saturation plugins. why use one over the other besides personal preference?

dont you have to buy that for like 600 bucks if you have luna? or am I thinking of something else

@@flipnap2112 LOL Yeah, but they have sales on plus coupons if you catch it at the right time - I bought API and Neve Summing for like 140 together. Luna is also free (with a UAD interface (which is $£ too lol).

@@who_is_dis yeah I was stoked about luna and I didnt know I needed to use a UAD with it. kinda stinks. I have an RME Fs2 and dont need another interface (with that closet full of scarlets ha ha). I DID almost go with the ferrofish, neve buss summer. but then the peep over at access analog said theyre setting up an analog summing chain in the near future so im holding off. those guys rock by the way. been using a fusion unit with the neve and stuff sounds amazing.

@@flipnap2112 Nice, yep - if i'm honest UAD has fallen behind and the prices don't really justify most of it, especially when they have the ability to go native now. Their products are still great though

@@flipnap2112 Holy shit, I just looked at Analog Access - that's some mad shit LOL 🤯 I just don't get how they can process so many people using them at once? Surely it's not thousands of hardware units?

I don't know about waves, but I think airwindows is actually about being much subtler. Chris has some sort of waveshaping algorithm running into a bus processor with a high end softening process. Where as this is focused on more obvious distortion. From my understanding Chris is much more focused on the analog sound stage effect. But I'm not anymore near smart enough to be confident in this answer. Chris is a DSP wizard.

@@SinclairSound From what I can gather, you're right, and Chris has separate analog summing plugins (the Console series) and ones that emulate the coloration of certain consoles (eg BussColors), so you have even greater control.

Writing a lot of volume automation 😅

@@Whiteseastudio damn bro; this is literally why you're a legend.

Agreed! however, when putting different saturation settings on busses, you can get some benefit in choosing the type of saturation depending on the type of source so you can get different harmonics (odd/even) depending on the source material which adds to a fuller sound. Example, Tube on bass, Tape on drums, Tube or Tape on vocals, Transistor on keys/synths, etc. Whatever you choose to your own taste, but each source will have different harmonics that add up to a bigger/fuller sound than just slapping a single stage of saturation on the 2 bus (which has its application and may be all a track needs as well).

Me too. This mix sounds def a bit muddy with the plugin on to my ears. But i guess a slight upper range boost could def make me prefere the track with it. Or maybe some more dynamic low-midz to make the mix sound cleared. Or both, idk

Boy are you wrong

nope it's not the transistor losing it bottom end, the aging of the transistor simply reduces the current it can handle and causes the device to saturate earlier. it's the decoupling capacitors (those meant to block DC) that lose capacity and thus brings the cutoff frequency of the DC filter into audible range.