No wonder Hayden Christiansen says this Vader is very conflicted, he's still struggling to get rid of Anakin.

For all the ups and downs of the series, the finale gave me some moments I will cherish as a fan forever. Things I never thought I would ever see on screen

“Anakin is gone, I am what remains.” Hits right in the feels Edit: 200 likes - mum I’m famous

Hayden is perfect for the role as Anakin/Darth Vader! He didn't deserve all the hate he got after the prequels. Can't wait to see him in "Ahsoka"

A poetic torture. The best villain of all times. The most human to an extent

Going from vader to Anakin when he said “I am not your failure”. Deep down Anakin still remains

Completely agree. Hayden told us over and over again in interviews leading up to the release as well, Vader is conflicted. He was more anakin in revenge of the sith, more vader in a new hope, here he's more in-between I feel - and I think they did a great job of connecting anakin to vader more. As we tend to see them as different people for good reason, as does vader himself, but that's part of his conflict. What a great character dude lol

The way Ewen looks so heartbroken seeing what’s left of Anakin for the first time, you see all the love and hurt he feels because he loves Anakin still. One thing I wish, I wish Obi Wan would have mentioned Padme, to see that side of Vader break for Padme, cuz you’re right…he probably just wants to crumble and cry about his lost wife. Anakin was always a sentimental guy, who really only cared about his mom and his wife.

This was one of the greatest Star Wars scenes ever made imo. Anakin was trying to break free at times, but Vader was able to overpower him. Hayden and Ewan did such a phenomenal job in this episode. The series as a whole was a mixed bag, but this finale was phenomenal, and the perfect bridge for Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope imo.

I remember watching somewhere that Anakin’s main problem was that he could never fully commit to either the light or dark side. It makes me wonder that if Anakin could do it all over again, would he even become a Jedi at all? I don’t think so. I think he’d rather just stay with his mother and somehow just earn their freedom or something.

This scene was absolutely fantastic. I really liked that his eyes kept changing. It is such a clear sign that some parts of Anakin remain. When Vader says "Anakin is gone, I'm what remains." Oh my god, that line was so good! And of course when we see Anakin's face under the slashed helmet. It was so brutal and emotional for Obi-Wan. One of the best Star Wars scenes, ever!

I really like that besides the eyes and the reflection of the saber changing color, Vader also sheds a tear with Obi Wan then it transforms into a sadistic smile. An interpretation I heard on Twitter of this scene that I really like is that when Vader tells Kenobi “I am not your failure Obi Wan, you didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker, I did” He’s speaking both as Anakin to comfort his friend and master but also as Vader to taunt Obi Wan and to dismiss any believes that anybody other than Vader himself is what killed Anakin and created Vader if that makes any sense

This scene got me in some feels. Felt bad for Anakin but at the same time growing more hate for Vader for what he has done to Anakin. Seeing the 2 identities physically represented in his eyes was a great touch imo.

I like that this didn't happen in Rebels when he faced Ahsoka Tano his apprentice. She was a daughter figure yes, but his relationship with Obi-Wan is deep. Ahsoka left in the end. She still loved him but she wasn't there for the ENTIRE thing like Obi-Wan was.

When Obi-Wan calls Anakin "Darth" at the end of the fight, when we see them fight in episode 4, he calls him "Darth" after Vader said that he killed Anakin, which is what Obi-Wan tells Luke, that Vader killed Anakin.

I noticed the symbolism straight away with the red and blue, at first I thought it was just a coincidence but seeing others thinking the same backed it up. It was a great moment! Kenobi saying 'Sorry' was pretty heartbreaking, you can genuinely feel the pain and when Darth started to smile I got serious chills.

I love it that we have so many little details in this scene between Vader/Anakin and Obi-Wan. When he says "I am not your failure Obi-Wan" the light on his face is blue. It's literally like Anakin is accepting Obi-Wans apology and telling him that it's not his fault. And then it becomes red again when Vader returns, which shows how deep he was in the dark side during this time. If you then pay attention to the change in his voice and his eyes you can literally see that Anakin is not the same as Darth Vader. And the story with the destroyed helmet is interesting too. Obi-Wan got the left half of the helmet and Ahsoka the right half. Thus both could only see half of thee face/Anakin and both weren't able to save him. But Luke took off the helmet as a whole and was therefore the only one who could bring him back in the end. The helmet is a bit of a symbol that hides the side of Anakin that still exists. After that the Emperor did question him on his feelings. Maybe that was the small door opening up Luke needed to get to him in ROTJ - deep down Anakin/Darth Vader didn't want Luke turning over to the dark side.

Its actually wild when you see anakin in vaders moment shed a tear after seeing obi wan apologize and crying. Its like they’re crying together. But vader is rejecting Anakins soul and emotions to try and force Anakins to stay down and vader above Anakins ego to be fully vader. Its super heart breaking if you think about it.

One of the most beautiful, poetic and heartbreaking moments in Star Wars. Vader will always be a wounded animal that was never put down. His pain and suffering allows him to tap into the dark side but his connection to all that he left behind always kept him in the light.

Anakin has a tendency to become destructive when handling feelings of regret. In my opinion, when Anakin says "I am not your failure, Obi Wan.", that's a hint at him remembering things and feeling regret. But just like when he found his mom or found out padme died, he lashed out through dark side driven anger. Just my interpretation though

U can tell when anakin hears “ the im sorry anakin” he’s letting go of the hate for a split second by Hayden’s facial expressions Vader is conflicted by these words.

It shows us that Anakin was never fully dead.

The eyes were a great tool for the symbolism of his struggle. Yes, it’s been 10 years. But the terror that Anakin inflicted on others impacted him GREATLY. His terror and his failures. So much! So the eyes were a great idea-along with the voice in and out.

The most powerful thing to come out of this show for me and one that actually adds a great deal to the characters we love (Anakin/ Vader and then Obi Wan), if you allow it to become your canon, is that dialogue between the two. Some of the most meaningful moments in fiction are actually the ones which leave room for interpretation! When Anakin/Vader tells Obi that he didn't kill Anakin, but he himself did it (after Obi apologized to him), it almost seems like there is the light side shining through, as if Anakin wants to lift Obi Wan of that burden, of that feeling of guilt. He himself is now taking responsibility for the way things went. I mean, was he really ready to kill Obi Wan? He wanted, but then again he didn't want to. After all he decided to bury him, instead of actually killing him in a way where he can be certain. He then walked away. On the other hand, it could be that telling Obi Wan that he (Vader) killed Anakin, is the dark side, his massive ego really embracing what he has become and owning that path, taking away from Obi Wan that he could possibly have had a part in shaping his future, telling him that he wasn't significant enough so he could have possibly done that, thereby trying to hurt him even more. I personally lean towards the former, also because of Hayden's voice when he said the part about Obi not having any part in it. His voice is soft and sad here. Then again, when he said "I did!" it's realy vadery and kind of evil. For the first part of the sentence his face is covered in blue light and only with the evil "I did" does it turn red. I don't know, maybe its both. The character stays ambivalent after all and holds sort of two peole. So who knows. Either way, seeing Anakin like this and hearing what he had to say, lifted the burden of guilt from Obi Wan and he could finally be free again. Very very powerful scene for me!

Another interesting detail is the clothing of Obi Wan: it is grey throughout the series, but after finding his much needed closure regarding Anakin, he is dressed more like his younger self from the prequels.

I like to believe that during their talk with his mask open, he was fully anakin for a little bit, especially after Obi wan told him that he was sorry for everything that happened. I want to believe that when he said “I’m not your failure” it was anakin telling his friend that it’s not his fault that things happened the way they did. Anakin did this to himself. But after telling him that and remembering all his pain from the past, his anger takes over again and he goes back to wanting Obi wan dead

Something I withdrew from Vader's connection to the dark side is that his conflict with himself can accurately be used to explain his actions over time. When he lost to Obi Wan at the end of Revenge of the Sith for example, he went into what is regarded as his "prime," where his anger connected him to the dark side the most as seen throughout the novels. During the Kenobi series, the interactions between Vader and Obi Wan caused Vader's connection to the dark side to weaken up until the final fight where Vader goes back into a rage (although not as tuned into the dark side as Palpatine senses). His rage is shown to still be present in Rogue One. Finally, when Vader kills Obi Wan in A New Hope, his rage subsides slightly, and along with the passing of time and learning of his children, his mental state becomes perfect for Luke to sway him back towards the light side. Although not perfect or likely intended, it is a neat look from a more psychological take. Just one of the many reasons I love the depth of Vader's character besides his sheer strength and appearance.

And yet another reason we NEED a Vader Series/Movie.... I've refused to figure out what's Canon and what's not since the Disney merge... so I'd LOVE to see who Vader is NOW. More so that we ever needed a Full Obi Wan series..

YES, EVEN SHEEV SAID! “Perhaps your feelings for your old master have left you weakened” clearly means anakin felt something for obi wan in that moment. We NOW NEED ANAKIN AND OBI WAN FORCE GHOST TOGETHER AGAIN IN AHSOKA AFTER THIS SAD MOMENT😭😭I still keep thinking about it 😭😂

i love when vader and palpatine where speaking and palps said “if your past cannot be overcome” vader knew what he was going to say after (then you are of no use to me) so he sits up straight and says kenobi means nothing but palps knows hes lying

The turmoil going through Anakin/Vader during this scene was amazing. I saw the prequels in the theater, so you know what is going to eventually happen…but a part of you wants Anakin to never turn to the dark. I still remember someone yelling in the theater during the Tusken Raider scene. NOOOO ANAKIN!!!! So, to me this scene was brilliantly done. The series as a whole had some dodgy writing, but this part was amazing!!

It truly is poetic. Throughout his life after ep 3 he has nothing but Palpatine, and the dark side and its powers. Vader lost everything else anf Palpatine made sure vader always knew that. Vader only had one road he could walk on which was tapping into and studying the dark side to become stronger which he did, and slower anakin was dying out because what did he have left to exist for? Vader would submerge himself in the dark side meditation and revenge on Palpatine to keep anakin at bay and it worked but every now and then, it wasn't enough like in this moment.

I believe that Anakin was coming to the surface for a brief moment - you can see the inner conflict of Anakin. The good in him is still there, but then Vader comes back out. This is literally a representation of how deep he is in the dark side at that time.

It's interesting "how quickly" Anakin's eyes were able to turn "Sith yellow" in Revenge of the Sith, considering that he hadn't received any "Sith training" from the time Palpatine executed Order 66 to the time the audience sees his yellow eyes. I guess that a Force-sensitive's eyes "turn yellow" when they're full of negative emotions.

That little subtle head tilt that Anakin did before saying “I am not your failure Obi-Wan” was such a Anakin thing. It’s the little things

Vaders theme tune comes fully in at the end while on the throne after talking to Sidious to say that he has now made a deeper commitment to be Vader and let go of Anakin. From the conclusion of their fight Vader is now more Vader and Obi Wan is more Obi Wan (his happy empowered self again). They both evolved from the fight.

Absolutely loved this scene, cinematic masterpiece if you ask me

I love that they did changing eye colors for Anakin turning into his Vader side now in the Kenobi series. The Grand Inquisitor also changed eye color there in the first episode when he sensed there was a jedi close. Im so happy that they had those new scenes where we could see Obi-Wan training Anakin and also that we got to see Qui-Gon at the end of the series, so beautiful.

I like the idea that both vader AND anakin said "I am not your failure". They both mean different things even though it was the same being saying it. It's complicated but that IS anakin.

I like to believe anakin said "i'm not your failure, Obi-Wan" because he was his own failure. He betrayed and was betrayed. He knows he screwed up and it's his own fault.

The way Vader says he killed anakin makes him sound possessed. Which makes the whole thing so much darker to me. You can really see in obi wans face how he completely gives up hope in that moment. And I always wondered why he calls him “darth” In the first movie and Im pretty sure it was just an oversight at the time but in the final episode obi wan calls Vader “darth” which comes across as so disrespectful. He doesn’t call him Vader or any other name associated with him just “darth”. It made that scene in the first movie where he calls Vader “darth” make sense. Very nice

Great viewpoints. I agree. I've been watching, pause, watching, pause, over & over disecting the saber color reflections to the voice deflections, eye color changes to subtle differences in voice cadence ( Anakins differs from Vaders). These few minutes are brilliance by the writers & director. There are so many layers. "I am not your failure," was Anakin. But immediately after that was Vader. It's rare when one sees something on film that cannot be duplicated to a better degree in a book (book versions are usually better). They freaking nailed it.

Like Meg in Hercules “people do stupid things, when they’re in love” Vader will always be my favorite villain cuz there is so many layers to him. He is not just out right evil. He had reasons behind everything he did, and usually it was a reason of love.

Even thought it's really weird seeing vader and anakin fight again between 3 and 4, seeing Haydens face in the suit was awesome

Well he was the chosen one, he should be able to just let the force flow, he was conflicted when he was a Jedi and he's still conflicted as a Sith because the force isn't pure light or dark, no good, no evil... the force is the force and that's it but that's something the jedi and the Sith cannot seem to understand, Qui-Gon should've trained him.

I absolutely love the detail of Vader's eyes changing and switching back and fourth between Anikan's Blue and Vader's Sith Yellow. It's a little detail that adds alot of depth to scenes where you do see them. Which is honestly why I feel like in Shards of the past, you did the Bacta Tank/no suit Vader acne better than in the show. It was over all just shot better and seeing his eyes change like that was just fantastic. I also thought it was interesting how you chose to go from yellow when he was scared to blue when he was more calm and focused. All around still shows what great work you did on the fan film.

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It was an emotional scene. Very well done. So haunting.

Also once you commit to the dark side it’s hard to come back. Why he is conflicted. He always felt he could never come back to the light.

Off topic but can we appreciate theory's "Darth" face when doing the palpatine voice? Shit cracks me up

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He doesn’t WANT to “win”. Neither does Obi Wan. They rather live hating each other then have to live without each other. Yes. This is why he lost in ROTS. He didn’t want to kill Obi Wan. He wanted Obi Wan to believe in him. He wants Obi Wans approval. He wants his master to be impressed with him. But Obi Wan keeps walking away. 🙁 Luke stays. 🥰

Great scene. One of the best in star wars but this entire series has so many lows unfortunately. Hayden should have had way more screen time in my opinion. More flashbacks between him and obi wan would have made that final scene between the two hit much harder.

I’ve see it like a Dissociative Identity Disorder. He pushed back this dark version of himself his whole life. And he finally let it take over when he decided to fall to the dark side. And the only way he can cope and deal with the terrible things he would need to do he created this other identity in his mind. Which became Darth Vader and eventually it fully took over. And Anakin was still alive inside him but buried and Luke eventually pulled Anakin back out. And that’s why his force ghost was younger Anakin because that’s how old he was before the Darth Vader identity took over.

Thank you for always giving us your input. Still looking forward to your video of Episode 2.

I'm not all too surprised that Vader was conflicted here in the last episode, because he was the exact same way with Ahsoka in Rebels when they fought, giving himself a moment to call out to Ahsoka before dueling her again. Difference being, he maintained his Sith Eyes the entire time

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The entire fight between Anakin and Obi Wan is poetical. It’s a throwback to the legends between 2 opposing forces that simply can’t undo each other. You have to think of myths and legends like Ahriman vs Ahura Mazda, Thor vs Loki, Zeus vs Hades..

You're fan film was awesome dude. The guy playing Sidious looked like he was having alot of fun.

I think that anakin gave obi wan a bit of relief and finally let go of himself to become Vader. Once the red lightsaber was on his face Vader had fully taken over until Luke brought him back.

Vader was screaming for help

This episode also mirrors ROTS on mustafar when he killed the separatist he was sporting those yellow eyes, then after reflecting on what he had just done they went back to being blue as a tear came down.

His sinister grin at obi wan when he said you didn't kill anakin.. "I DID" .. MESSED ME UP 🔥😳🔥

Anakin definitely has the most interestingly complex character arcs in the entire Star Wars franchise. The reason why I say this is because in the prequels, it was inevitable that he will turn to the darkside to become Darth Vader. Even as a true fan of this franchise, I too find it hard to analyze both his and Vader's characters when it comes to interpreting both their identities from time to time.

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“His fate will be the same as ours.” All three “killed” by Darth Vader, only to return, each in their own way, Obi-wan and Anakin as Force ghosts, Palpatine as a resurrected clone.

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We need a what if scenario where Anakin actually got a hug.

I see it as there is still conflict in Vader. The side of him that is still Anakin, is fighting to come out. It also can be pointed to why Palpatine asks Vader if his feelings regarding Obi Wan are clear.

When he says "You did not kill Anakin Skywalker...." the moment he says "I did," his voice and face shifts and he has an evil grin. This part struck me as a clear split where he was Anakin Anakin Anakin Anakin "I did!" -Vader. I think he was able to draw on the Dark Side by seeing Obi-Wan crying at everything that had happened, and wanted to, even in his weak moment, come off strong and crass by saying something which would be so painful for Obi-Wan to hear and then to see Anakin's face shift into an evil grin just added insult to injury to the emotional blow he gave Obi-Wan.

This scene was poetry in a motion film. The sudden light changes his eyes, what voice was more dominant when he was talking was so fucking good man

It's really weird for me thinking that people didn't catch the meaning of the eyes changing. It's literally showing his internal struggle. It's like Green Goblin in the Maguire movies

"The path to hell is paved with good intentions." Regardless of his intentions, the galaxy suffered from his indecisiveness. In the end, we are defined by our choices... no matter how our story began.

I see Vader’s devotion to the Dark Side as him thinking “there isn’t another option” like everything he had is gone and there’s nothing left. No real reason to go back to the Light, and Luke changes that in ROTJ.

“He means nothing to me” sounded as convincing as Kylo Rens “he means nothing to me”

With the line "I'm not your failure, Obi-Wan" Anakin is basically telling him "It's not your fault." Calling back to the line in Episode 3. He then blames himself and basically forgives him before Vader and the dark side take over and cover his feelings in hatred. What's your opinion on that?

I thought there was a great opportunity missed by the writers when Palpatine addresses Vader's clarity of his intentions at the end, by not asking him right after, "and I wonder if you truly do want to kill Kenobi, Lord Vader". It would have "poetically rhymed" with Reva's question to Kenobi, asking him if he truly wanted to kill Anakin. Hinting that he (Kenobi), would be dead already if Vader was truly and fully dark side. Further establishing the point for the audience that Vader's failure is only because there is still some light left buried in him.

A perfect descriptive accurate explanation !!! (Palpatine's order to Anakin/Vader) ''Every single Jedi including your friend, Obi Wan Kenobi, is now an Enemy of the republic'' (Anakin/Vader replies) ''I understand'' (That's a lot to deal with and accept in exchange for ''The secrets of the Sith'' but he was definitely struggling with it ''If you're not with me, Then you're my enemy'' He was still conflicted right before their final duel, And highly influenced by the Dark Side emerging once again, Great video as always !!!

This scene (Vader’s mask slash) was absolutely brilliant and haunting and sad and just incredible. I absolutely loved it. I have many critiques about the series but Hayden and Ewan were great. Vader was amazing.

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Anakin was always there to return, but he needed someone who trusted in him like Luke did.

There was even a moment if you look closely during when Obi-Wan is apologizing to Vader, you see a tear come down Vaders face

Kenobi had its issues but there are moments of absolute greatness in it. I always had an issue connecting Anakin from the prequels to the Darth Vader but they fixed that with voices mixing perfectly. That was genius and is up there with one of my favourite Star Wars Moments

That moment in the healing tank in your Vader film was awesome. @Star Wars Theory , I would love to work with you on your next Vader film as your director of photography. Great video, love your take on Vader!

I do disagree, I truly believe that it was Anakin saying "I am not your failure Obi-Wan" but then Vader takes over. Darth Vader talks about Anakin being a different person, so why would he say "I am not your failure"? I love the videos and the theories, keep up the good work. 🔥

"I don't think he was a bad guy, good at his core" SWT anakin: "Slaughters children"

Seeing the switch back and forth gives a haunting feeling like anakin is possessed by Vader. I've always viewed anakin/Vader as a split personality but this scene gives me the feeling like Vader is a separate entity altogether which is scary, and badass.

Anakin was always there. Repressed and trapped though he was, he still shone through when around those he loved.

I didn’t see a color switch happening between “You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker,” and “I did.” The lighting was the same throughout both, and his mood/ expression appeared to be the same as well. It is certainly possible that subconsciously the first part of that sentence was Anakin talking, but there is no explicit evidence for this. His expressions were different when he said “Anakin Skywalker is gone. I am what remains,” and “I am not your failure, Obi Wan.” He didn’t look evil as he was saying that. He looked hurt. In addition, the blue-red mix here was the same as when he had a more evil looking expression. So as much as it’s nice to think color had a purpose here, I’m not quite sure Disney really did try to be that detailed about the color symbolism. If they were, then I don’t think the color switches were at the right times during that interaction. If anything, it seems maybe the only symbolism was just red and blue mixing in general.

Completely agree. The conflict within himself is strong. Family is one of the most important things to Anakin (even as Vader). From his mom, to Padme, to his unborn children. The root of Anakin was to protect his family. His conversations with Luke, even in the middle of a duel, didn’t want to defeat him. He wanted his son to be with him. Dad Vader.

It was so well thought out with the lighting and dialogue, I just kept thinking back to Ahsoka and Anakin in the sith temple in rebels. The last episode was great

Beautiful scene.

I hope there will be a season 2 of obi wan

The second eye in the thumbnail scared me the first time I saw it and what he said alongside that gave me chills

Love the conversation between them. always wanted that in ROTS.

If that's true nice catch. I thought the eye kept changing because of the lighting.

Anakin is definitely the best character in the franchise, the most tragic and complex character

Never heard someone so accurately describe the Anakin/Vader dynamic. Good shit.

I kinda like Dave Filoni's explanation of Vader and Anakin's dichotomy, that Anakin's shame and guilt are so great that he just can't face it so he hides behind the Vader persona so he doesn't have to face it. Which is kind of how Dissociative Personality Disorder works but IRL people with DPD don't remember what the other personality does. But I definitely think hearing Obi-Wan's tearful apology touched Anakin in a way he couldn't entirely hide because his anger toward Obi-Wan was a part of what drove him.

When you say that the emperor wanted Vader to give into the Dark-side completely I have to disagree. I think The Palpatine wanted Vader to remain conflicted, That is why Palpatine wanted Vader to bring Luke to him... I don't think Palpatine wanted Luke, I think he wanted to keep Vader in constant inner Turmoil. This way he would always have a weaker apprentice that was never a threat to him.