lol

As an aspiring writer, myself, this is one of the best comments I've ever seen! 😆🤣

@@WindWolfAlpha *Bows*

And yet ...

i hate plot armour so much which is why i never watched starwars in every bit of media that wants to put the main character in 'danger' but not too much danger so they only suffer a minor wound as compared to the hundreds of faceless nameless NPCs that die from a breeze which is why i like films that have the balls to kill off main characters and think it should be done more

How else can u check lol

@@weirdsciencethe2nd205 put the armour on a child instead

If Skyrim has taught me anything it’s that children are invincible so sounds like a safe test to me.

@@weirdsciencethe2nd205 I've heard it's more a slash resistant piece than a stab resistant piece, at least thats what they were saying on a different test vid

I have demonstrated with method many a time

excellent infomation, thanks.

Yip will come in handy when you’re beating the shit out of a pissed 9 stone student.

I think this then adds on to his point of time period. It's not 2000 years, it's closer to 2500 years if bouncers are using it. I know in ww1 it came back as armour for tankers as well so it's seen action in relatively modern warzones. Maybe the armour of the futures should look at mail.

@@Teners5 police officers still wear it depending on the area, divers wear it for "shark suits". never stopped being useful for sure

@@JohnDoe-tx8eu Butchers sometimes wear a mailled glove on the off hand. It is the same microlinks as the sharksuits.

*salute

@@KieraQ0323 Solutations

And thus the arms race was born...

@@TheEvertw it started way earlier than that.

A great salution to a difficult problem

Yes, and keep in mind that the wearer can focus on the few threats that could defeat it, so he would be more effective at fending of those than if he was unarmoured.

@@TheGlassgubben Yep. It's a few less things to worry about, when you're in the middle of battle. If nothing else, not having divided attention can be the difference between life and death.

@@Bluecho4 Even when armored in a fight few people will deliberate take a hit to their chest . Any normal person will still pay attention to be not hit in the chest. And you actually need more attention to ignore attacks on certain body parts. Because instead of blocking/evading immediately you first got to analyze if the attack goes to a dangerous place. And remember while it should protect you on paper (parchment?), you are gambling with your life. That's why heavily armored tanks in WW2 still retreated when hit repeatedly by weapons that should not be able penetrate them on paper. Because the crews did not want to find out if the papers were right. (Plus the discomfort of being hit, and not knowing the exact weapon that's shooting at you).

@@barthoving2053 durrr

The Battle Of The Standard in 1138 is an excellent case study in the effectiveness of maille - a Scottish army of 16,000 mostly unarmoured infantry failed to overcome an Anglo-Norman force of 10,000 with a solid core of armoured Milites.

Similar technology is used in food service too. I used to wear chain link gloves while cleaning a meat slicer. I imagine there are similar industrial uses for them too. It's interesting in which ways it was adaptated and remains relevant.

@@BonaparteBardithion Tank Men during WWI had mail face masks to protect them from shrapnel.

the mail gloves are also used in the fishing industry, i use to work on trawlers and we used them while gutting fish, stripping shells and when using heavy lines to pull them in when a fish is caught. mostly this is a steel mesh but the guys i worked with said that the best were steel ringlets that were 1/5 riveted much like with medieval armor of the time.

whats the biggest shark uve had bite you in mail or that uve seen? also is it stainless?

@@mdstmouse7 If a shark bites you I don't think it will be stainless..

What do you mean? He has his own show here. Will get more views than on tele.

He has his own show. We're watching it lol

Couldn't agree more

If this was on tv I wouldn’t watch it. All I use TV for is console games and 4K movies. And fewer and fewer of thosebecause new stuff fukin sucks.

@@POdilo actually, probably not, you would be surprised that how often TV is still used by boomers

😃 great idea!!

In my previous job as a medieval themed falconer (crazy asf I know lmao) I regularly had to wear mail like this alongside being armed and having a 10lb+ bird of prey on my fist also and lets just say I'll never forget some of the looks I got ahahaha. It's not everyday you see a 6,8' 'knight' shopping in your local co-op etc.

0:55 chain mail T-shirt, it deflects and protects, it’s and sweat wicking!

Did this a while ago, the looks of the people standing by were amazing. :)

Jason doesn't buy groceries! He has serfs for that. -_^

also accidents. If you are in a line of a hundred other guys carrying pointy weapons and everyone is going crazy during a battle, there will be lots of people who accidentally poke here or there. Your arms move easily but if you are packed in between shields and other heavy people, you might not be able to move your torso to escape an accidental poke if you are shoved or someone else is shoved into you.

This applies to pretty much any type of combat or martial art. Getting a full contact, perfectly powerful strike on someone is rare. It’s much more likely to glance off as you say or for the person to react and move slightly and partially deflect your blow. Even in modern combat, look how many bullets simply wound instead of kill.

@@tsmspace Can easily imagine this. Played hockey as a teen in varsity and anytime we'd scrum together for a team chat or stand in line for a photo etc, we'd invariably end up accidentally smacking one another with our hockey sticks as we moved about or even just stood there.. harmless since they were just sticks and we had armor / padding.. but easy to imagine were they swords / spears etc and we had no armor on? Many a wounded person would there be just from standing in a line.

Infection killed just as many as a battle.

@@wobblysauce Agreed, but at the same time, I don't think that every cut would have resulted in infection and death. Despite what people think, they did have some actual medical knowledge during the Medieval and Renaissance periods, it wasn't all just bleeding and prayers. There's a fairly famous account of a young Henry V(?) having an arrow surgically removed from his face, granted he was a crown prince and a commoner likely would have died from the wound, but it shows that they actually knew about fighting infections back then.

Yup, I know a guy who was an apprentice butcher, company forced him to work without protection as it wouldn't arrive for another day. He cut his hand and fucked it, only has 30% usability left. Got a big settlement as it was legally required for the company to provide chain mail gloves. Doctors said that his hand would have been completely fine if he had just had his gloves.

That's so hot bro did you get a chubby after seeing a guy get mangled?

Excellent point!

though you would want a surcoat over it in upper Syria and Egypt in the summer.

PLEASE...tell me how to get some for riding my motorcycle in humid Florida weather so the air can get through the suit. Where do I get it?

@@majedajaber9064 I've always been compelled how the crusaders in the Middle East didn't all die of heat stroke.

@@mikitz Half of them did. Saladin was successful in battle because the Europeans were overheated and dehydrated most of the time. He'd even build great fires upwind of them to make it even more horrible. Saladin would capture water access and then just wait for the Europeans to attack their fortified position once they were partially mummified. I mean, better than just getting killed by Saladin's archers I guess? Early on in the crusades, the Knights seemed basically unkillable in full plate until the saracens figured out that you just force them to stay in their armor with poke attacks for 5 days straight and they pretty much just keel off their horses.

They have to be quite rusty and small. I was thinking most of them should have rusted away over the centuries.

That's cool

@@karliikaiser3800 It all depends on the chemistry of the soil and the elements and all that stuff. If you dig a few inches on Mars, the soil is no longer red

Good for u. I live in the host country which is savages who doesnt wear armour to war.

You have your license for that? France is pretty strict about using metal detectors and archaeological remains. A guy just got busted recently for stealing an enormous number of artifacts... claimed he found them in Belgium, which has more lenient laws, but he was actually doing detecting and digging in France.

Thanks, will do!

All of these people doing the history in this stuff are passionate about it and put their mouth where there armor is.

@@luxordeathbed We put our money where the armor is! hehe. My full length hauberk was about $450.00. ;)

@stormy weather I very seriously doubt it for a couple of reasons. 1, In combat, the edges are nicked and dulled quite seriously. 2, the weak spot in the mail is the riveted ring, not the 4 solid rings, so even if a nice sharp edge did hit the one riveted ring, it is still re-enforced by the four solids. Add in the thick layer of the padded gambeson worn under the mail and it is a quite thick layer of armor. Historically, the two handed "great" sword came about after plate armor was showing up. Most all serious injuries were from blunt force trauma unless you found an opening in the armor. Cheers.

@@ModernKnight could you do a comparison against metal scale armor? I would think it would be more effective against puncture than mail (so long as the strike doesn't come angled upwards of course) and keep the same mobility

Gambeson, mail, and a brigandine, you should be very protected very quickly

@@RhodokTribesman you could fight with the brigandine untied and you'd probably still be effective enough.

@@generic_asian_ Yeah, fs, the combo of all the stuff is just if time is willing (as I assume the dress time to armor ratio would be much better than plate, let's say)

More than that, it looks comfortable enough to rest/sleep in unlike many plate pieces. I'd say as a town watchmen or guard you could put it on in a hurry if off duty.

This is a moot point since AFAIK plate armor was always worn with mail underneath. So a plate armored soldier would have his mail shirt as well. It's not mail or plate, it's mail or mail plus plate, which makes the question do you want plate completely irrelevant; if you could afford it you would have it

My thinking too at first, but then I came thinking: why not make it 4:1 and then bring riveted for replacement? Gradually more and more parts would become fully riveted, but initial production would still be quicker and cheaper.

Punching solid rings requires additional tools, and then you have to collect all the bits you punched out of the middle and turn them back into sheet iron, which seems like it would be a pain. Any shmuck can make riveted rings.

@@peterrose5373 I think that this is really it. Making chainmail doesn't require extreme talent in the way a comparable plate would. Just lots of time.

@@roberthammarberg7438 Maybe, but not by as much as the video says. The ratio of punched links to riveted links isn't actually 4:1, it's only 1:1. You can make clusters of 5 links with only 1 riveted link in the center, but attaching that cluster to a sheet of mail requires riveted links, so you can make at most 50% of your links by punching them out. As metalworking techniques advanced and the manufacture of wire became easier (while punching rings out of a sheet of iron remained as difficult as it ever was) the economics probably shifted and made riveting every link cheaper than punching out half of them. I'd hazard a guess and say that the disappearance of punched rings from mail probably coincides with the development and adoption of the wire drawing process, rather than making wire by slicing thin strips from a sheet of metal.

The manufacturing process may also be a factor to consider. We tend to think it demands 4x the time to do 4:4 because we assume one person is working on the shirt. But in the old days they would probably have more than 1 person working on the same shirt at the same time. Imagine 1 worker holding each link in one hand and riviting with the other, he would have to do the riviting movement 4 times for each link. Now think of 2 people working on each link at the same time, each worker would have to rivit twice, and so on.

I had to stand in a full hauberk on a cold windy day waiting at a documentary shooting. Didn't have my warm stuff with me I normally take to events. That was hell

@@CIA-M oof. And that’s why I bought a well padded gambeson before a hauberk

yes, the Republican period of Rome saw the legionary wear a thin padded gamberson under his Hauberk shirt & helmet with leather around the neck area.

@@alexandersarchives9615 i tried to recreate the maciejowski bible style, so only have thin padding. better when im off fighting in the blazing sun

@@CIA-M yeah, I get having a thin gambeson for summer, but winter gets cold where I live... therefore having a few extra layers helps :)

I don't know why, but I root for that mule every time he's on screen. Maybe he has an "underdog" quality to him.

I very much would like to see an update on The Mule with No Name! He’s by far the favourite of me and my wife!

I think the mule's name should be Odo,after Biship Odo,the half brother of William the Conqueror.

The mule looks so smart, I bet he's named Till Eulenspiegel (after the folk legend jokester).

The wise thing to do with horses is give them a little bit to nibble on, before throwing the rest of the food in, in order to prevent them from devouring you...

Yes Sir, You're absolutely right. But there could people throwing arriows at you as well, you know

You're right. As a someone with some HEMA, and all 7 forms of Lightsaber fencing, your right. Yes, having a shield, and armour is helpful as well.

In this era, the main protection would be a shield for the majority of soldiers

And, as we all know, the only perfect armor of all time is the plot armor.

@@mortache Soldiers that couldn't afford mail would wear a gambeson (thick cloth armor)

Even the ceramic plates in most vests are only effective up to intermediate rifle calibers, but it's better than nothing and I can confirm that. I would not be here if not for my level 4 plates.

You would be surprised how little energy even a hardcore AP bullet will retain after passing through a moderately thick log, however. What would go through your soft armour twice over without a barrier will be stopped by it after penetrating a log, only inflicting a bruise or a contusion as a result. And we're not even talking about frag resistance. I think it's a much more fitting analogy for Medieval mail in modern context.

It is a silly argument when having armour beats not having armour every time.

@@jumpingbean69 I was always very amused that my ballistic armour came with a money-back guarantee in the event of failure. The government couldn't lose.

@@jeffkeith637 Remember your equipment was made by the lowest bidder.

Camo emerged no earlier than WWI and wasn't a mass thing until late WWII. Mass WWII uniform is still plain (grey+green or black for nazi, green+brown for the Soviet). If you look at XVIII- XIX century soldiers - you find them in bright very decorated uniforms with bizarre hats. Meanwhile, chainmail has been developed as early as in the Roman empire (so definitely before V century) and stayed in use all the way through the thousand years of Middle ages up to XVIII century (sic, irregular warriors. Not soldiers, but adventurers and explorers). On the territories of Russia alone, chainmail is found dating back to VIII- XVIII centuries and in bulk. If you come at a small museum in any little town, the first three things you find there as ancient archeology are pottery, arrow tips and a piece of chainmail rusted into a stone.

I remember reading a book of fiction (it was a fantastic romance, too modern for fantasy, too weird for sci-fi), and there at some point a hero who comes out of XIX century or so bumps into US marines. (Weird, i told you. It also involves aliens). They're described as guys in some weird green spotted PJs.

Glad you enjoyed it.

True, although being so labor intensive also caused it to be rather expensive.

that's a good idea, and I always try to remember they were the same as us, just with different expectations and technology.

Indeed. People of the past were not stupid. They just didn’t know the things we do nowadays, just like we have lost a lot of the wisdom that people of the past had gained over centuries. Thank you for being one of the people that bring the past to life for us modern folk.

Can you be my teacher?

@@ModernKnight they were us, just only yesterday

@@Razidurgh This might not be exactly what he was referring to, but I will try to answer your question in a couple of ways, then explain more in detail. The first answer is probably more along the lines of the answer you were looking for, and the second is what I believe to be an example of wisdom and knowledge that you may not have been considering. I mean no offense by this, it was just in how I interpreted your comment. :) 1. The knowledge of the composition and production of Wootz steel (i.e. true damascus steel) is lost to us, as recently as the 18th or 19th century. Modern damascus is just two or more distinctly different types of steels that are layered together in a pattern (i.e. "pattern damascus") which somewhat imitates the appearance but not the characteristics. 2. The knowledge of how and why the Late Bronze Age collapse occurred (and the inherent wisdom that can be distilled from the knowledge of how an entire civilization collapses). This is still partially a mystery to us- we have bits and pieces of the puzzle, but we don't really know the whole story and maybe never will. I guess the bigger question I would like to ask back is, what exactly do you consider to be wisdom and knowledge? How much knowledge and wisdom was lost when London burned in 1666? How much knowledge and wisdom was lost when the Notre Dame cathedral burned last year? How much knowledge and wisdom was lost from the tens of thousands of scrolls that burned in the Library of Alexandria? I know the answer is most certainly not zero, but beyond that I cannot tell you. We tend to view our modern notion of "knowledge" and "wisdom" through the lens of science (and I interpreted your comment as an observation that we have replaced historical knowledge and wisdom with more correct or more accurate knowledge through science and technology, which is why I am approaching my answer in this regard). This "scientific lens" is obviously very useful for us, and science is arguably one of the most useful tools we have for understanding the world around us (please do not think I am saying otherwise). However, knowledge and wisdom do not necessarily have to be encapsulated in a scientific context (e.g. the "medical humors" turn into "biology or human physiology" or "alchemy" evolves into "stoichiometry"- this is what I think of when you described knowledge becoming outdated or replaced). Science strictly leaves out (among other things) questions of value or questions of morality, because they are not testable or provable within its scope or "framework" (a discussion on the limitations and scope of science is really interesting, but this comment is long enough so I will leave it at that). If we go back to the example of the Late Bronze Age collapse, it is likely to contain knowledge and wisdom around cultural and social phenomena of that time, as well as perhaps changes in the natural world (which science could potentially tell us about). Consider what it would mean if we lost the knowledge of the events of the Holocaust? There is a significant amount of cultural and social wisdom we can gain by studying these events and asking the questions "How and why did this happen? How _could_ this even happen?". If you actually read my comment, thank you. It started off as a genuine intention to think of a good example to answer Laszlo's question, but then it morphed into a personal thought experiment that I thought answered the question even more deeply than intended. Only a few more days left in 2020- hopefully we can all revel in the knowledge of that and seek whatever wisdom will come from having survived it!

Full respect for constructing a riveted byrnie. I have knitted a couple from butted links (ahistorical I know) and that took some serious time and effort. Riveted? I can only imagine.

Thank you! Will do!

@@ModernKnight Yay! WE WIN!

Jason seems genuinely excited to share what he's discovered. He has a way of talking about history like it's breaking news. Very inspiring.

@@USMCArchAngel03 That's it. His is an excitement and interest that cannot be faked and is really infectious.

*Sir. Ser is an invention of GRRM for his fantasy series.

Same here, and I got a history degree at university. Edit: To be fair, I want to stress the word “life” in the statement above.

@Ice Hockey is Pretty Pretty Good In my History GCSES we learnt about medieval crime and punishment, interesting enough, but it was too specialised to be any fun - especially when we had to do essay after essay about the same topic

@Ice Hockey is Pretty Pretty Good I think so because there is a lot of anthropology and archaeology being taught as general history. (The Postmodernists don’t trust the written sources the way traditional historians did - “written sources tell us more about the time of the writer than the time of the subject.”)

Nothing gets covered properly in middle school or high school.

@@silvermoon4068 crime and punishment was painful to study

Well the creators of D&D were, and are, not exactly experts on medieval weapons and armor by any stretch of the imagination.

I think the lore explanation is that metal intervenes with arcane energies so if the wizard wears too much of it he can't cast spells reliably. In reality it's a balance thing, wizards are supposed to be vulnerable to balance out the powerful spells they can use. If wizards can wear armor there's no reason to play a martial. See 5th edition of DnD where wizards CAN wear armor and most martials are just pointless

"so I bought a mule from Spain..." agreed

I want to be him when I grow up... I am 33 years old.

Develops video games, lives like a knight, truly.

@@scruffythejanitor1969 I'm sixty, and feel the same way! 😆

A new battlecry has born: "I am going to OOF you!!!"

@@DaCoolCrushIceKillah i read this aloud w a Scottish accent LOL

Go oof yourself

'Hoc est ufere tibi'

Thanks for sharing, that's interesting.

A modern plate is like a medieval brigantine. You can find ones which are really close in construction.

@@annasolovyeva1013 well it functions more like a cuirass

I have this argument with martial arts and MMA people when they say ancient martial arts are useless they forget that it was for killing and the martial arts today is not.

Yes, and by far the easiest way to carry armour is to wear it, unless you're some rich nobleman who can have his harness transported in a cart.

@@johnree6106 ancient martial arts are useless in a contemporary modern day setting, sure. But at the time, they were the most effective systems available. The belabour the point that Jason made in the video; people were not stupid, they used what was available to them as effectively as possible. You’d be incredibly naive to say that about 700 years would make no difference to our understanding of effective fighting systems!

@@genuinejoe2103 Having done both Military CQC, and Modern MMA there is a distinct difference in the two. One is meant to disable or kill, and the other is basically play fighting in comparison. Which is something most MMA fighters don't seem to grasp, is the point. While yes, there are advancements and certain things can be effective. I'm not about to try to wrestle a man down, and arm bar him. I'm going to aim to invert Elbows, Knees, gouge eyes, Crush throats. Whatever is readily available. It's going to be as quick and dirty as possible. There is a good reason that MMA fighters in general are afraid of, or avoid street fighters. Because one is a sport and the other could potentially be life and death. There is an exceptionally different mentality and flow to the two.

@@HauntingSpectre The anecdote of the Spartans being banned from wrestling at the games because they did not believe in a sports version of Greek wrestling and the martial version included eye gauging and breaking bones and joints. And the normal ancient Greek wrestling had very very few rules already, not being allowed to blind your opponent intentionally was one of those very few ones...

Most stab protection inserts in soft body armour of police forces around world are basically chainmail...

@@bjornlange7483 true that, but i am talking about the full on chainmail shirt with long sleeves and complete with hood

@@bjornlange7483 Not really, modern soft body armor with added cut/stab protection has a layer of waxlike plastic for that. Before that a fine metal mesh was used.

@@StormBringare oh I have to disagree. Mine has chainmail...

@@bjornlange7483 So it's an older model? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Plus butchers use mail gloves as well.

Hi, Adam. Yes, and I’ve seen oyster shuckers use mail gloves, too. Another use for mail that many people aren’t aware of is for electrical workers that perform maintenance on high tension cables. They don an entire suit of mail and are lifted to the energized wires by helicopter. There the worker grounds himself to the wire while still on a platform beneath the helo, then physically transfers to the wire itself in order to travel along it for inspection or repair. The mail suit (forgive my non-technical explanation) allows the worker to physically touch the wires while directing the electrical charge around his body instead of electrocuting him. You can find viddies of that amazing job here on YT. I’m sure there are other uses for mail in today’s world that I’m not aware of.

@@nuvostef Oh yes, I forgot about those. I've seen videos of that, they're very cool. Dr Megavolt does a similar thing: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fN-boptivKfapoU.html

2000 Years now! Chain was from BC and if its still in use now by divers / fishermen etc....

Some police in germany were using them back in 2016ish time I think. It looked rly neat.

Welcome to the nerd club. Just wait until you learn about machicolations.

I found him to elaborate and repeat a little too often, so I skipped around, but generally good info

@moop that’s what those are!

Welcome. New to nerdy things? Try Lindybeige's talk on siege ladders

Hey Noble One: Have you tried going bald? Has worked wonders for me, no more hair catching.. But I disagree on you last point: I bet everyone (who had worn mail at least once before) put something over their hair, just as you do, I don't think there was ever a period where ppl enjoyed having it ripped out in clumps :D Maybe that's why late Viking/ early Normans loved the shaved back and sides hairstyle, with the mop on top: your neck hair getting pulled by mail has gotta get old REALLY fast when you are riding along on a horse. Anyway Ciao my dude!

Thanks Metatron, I hoped you'd provide more details about the Roman side of things, as you know so much about that period of history and say Latin much better than anyone else I know. My schoolboy latin is both rusty and badly pronounced, though I imagine that these islands had people with funny Latin accents even during Roman times.

@@ModernKnight Centurion, in Cockney accent "Get your laminaataah on lads"

Generally most soldiers keep their hair short, because it gets annoying in conjunction with gear.

They could just have used those padded caps, that go under the mail hood or helmet, for this purpose. I mean, they are going to be worn anyways, why not make the most of it?

"history is written by the winners" in other words :)

Other's would call it luck or circumstance

Think thats the key point isn't it. You can leave mail on and if you get ambushed or otherwise surprised you have some form of protection. Your plate on the other hand does no good (and some degree of hindrance) sitting in a chest on the back of the cart

good point, I didnt think of infection as an issue, but you're completely right.

@@ModernKnight thanks for the reply! It’s just a theory. The mail hauberk could be more like a modern helmet or 20th century flak jacket. That is, just because it won’t stop a bullet, doesn’t mean it won’t save your life.

@@ModernKnight I don't think that infection was as big of an issue as many people seem to think. There seems to be this popular belief that during the Medieval and Renaissance that the only medical practices they knew about was bleeding and prayer and that anything more serious than a paper cut was effectively a death sentence. But this isn't true, even a commoner would have had some basic medicines available to them (if they were lucky) and they knew that honey and, I think, vinegar had medicinal properties when applied to wounds. A young Henry V(?) had an arrow surgically removed from his face and survived and later Henry VIII survived a jousting injury and it's recorded that his doctors applied poultices to try to treat the wound even though it never fully healed, it didn't get infected to the point where it killed him off right away.

@@Riceball01 I disagree. Just because people weren't dying from infected paper cuts doesn't mean that infection wasn't a serious concern. Preventing infection is definitely one of the benefits that comes along with reducing the number of deep tissue lacerations. Even today, modern surgical techniques are primarily concerned with preventing infection, and wounds STILL get infected.

@@Riceball01 Tetanus had no prophylaxis or treatment and was a horrible, torturous death. Just that disease alone made combatants wary of any injury.

Nope. Go and watch Scholagladiatoria and Knyght Errant.

Guess my channel's not that famous yet.

Ugh. You had to remind me that scene :/ In the book Gimli didn't take any armor from Rohirrim. Rohirrim didn't have *anything* approaching the quality of his own, dwarven armor. I understand it was comic relief scene, but still meh.

@@FrikInCasualMode I had the same split-second reaction to that joke, but the best part that made me like the gag was when the waistline of the mail hit the floor with a clank. So Gimli was that much stockier as well as that much shorter, showing the double difference in kinds. What made it even funnier is knowing that John Rhys-Davies, the usually dignified veteran classical actor who played Gimli, is actually about 6'2" (195cm) tall. The scene setup on the day (and many days) must have looked extra silly, with either a cameraman standing on a ladder to get the down angles, or John playing the scenes from down on his knees, with his boots sticking out the back :)

@@animistchannel2983 "The first step in casting for a dwarf is to find the tallest actor you can."

@@FrikInCasualMode How about the scene where he is trying to see what is happening, on the wall during the battle at Helm´s Deep, and says they should have picked a better spot, when in fact there is a crenellation just next to him that he can see through? Stupid comic relief, made no sense.

Have it taken up a bit too!

Not sure if you know but he's the joint CEO founder of Rebellion Games mainly known currently for the Sniper Elite and Zombie Army games series. They also own the rights to Judge Dredd comics.

@@nath9091 Yeah, he's pretty well off. It's good to see he's using putting his fortune to good use by helping to educate.

Shark suits, buchery, it still has places in protective gear.

Quite True.

I imagine he has one, seeing as he has a full plate harness.

My hair fell out in my 20's. Little did I know this just made me more efficient in every way, from showertime to arming time.

I do miss my long hair, but then I watch the pained expressions from my group members as they put armour on and realise that its a blessing in disguise to be cropped. Even the short hairs on the back of my neck got caught *very* easily when putting maille on or trying to turn my head with it, its part of the reason I started wearing turtlenecks at training, I can't imagine how bad it would be with actual long hair.

I tell the public when they put on Malle to do the Roman Jump to set the links in their proper place. Getting it off is usually a two man job....

@@Dr_Will_Tarr Getting it on and off by oneself isn't that difficult, just takes some practice. Although having a helping hand is welcome when it happens. In my Roman school programs I'm usually helping young students in & out of armor, but that's because they've never worn it before.

It's interesting, isn't it, to note that metal chest pieces existed both before and alongside the heyday of maille. It just works

interesting thing is, and i've tried to locate as many sources as possible, but making maille may be easier (in terms of skill), BUT it takes MUCH longer, at least twice as long, sometimes a bit longer depending on what part of the body you making it for.

In addition to being a very useful modern analog to explain the risk of attempting a powerful blow, your boxing analogy has the added bonus of invoking an image of a Roman officer wandering about his drilling soldiers and periodically yelling the Latin equivalent of "protecc ya'self at ALL TIMES!". You get a like!

Here is the big thing about blunt damage as opposed to lacerations. The human body can withstand blunt force a lot better than lacerations. A soldier could still fight on very effectively suffer a broken bone or 2, while 2 or 3 shallow cuts takes them out of the fight. Plus infection killed as much, if not more, people than the wounds they suffered in battle up until recently.

Even if you don't have good doctors who could set bone, you're generally more likely to survive a broken bone for many years, rather than a laceration or gaping wound that could bleed out in minutes. That's why stabs and cuts were the major source of battlefield death: the damage itself was overshadowed by the leaking of vital fluids and/or organs. A broken bone is hardly unproblematic, especially if it heals incorrectly, but it's only really an immediate concern if it starts puncturing something (whether the skin outside or an organ). If that is avoided, you can at least survive the day, and potentially get it set before or after the fusing of bone sets in. Bleeding out is a pressing issue that even modern doctors or medics aren't always able to stop. And none of this gets into cuts or stabs that lead to infection. Unless it's peeking through the skin, a broken bone probably won't lead to a slow death from disease.

@@Bluecho4 Even if we only consider open wounds, stabs were much more dangerous than cuts. I recall seeing somewhere that a Roman author noted that whilst a footlong cut was survivable, a 4 in. deep stab could be fatal. Any armour that can protect you against _most_ stabbing and cutting implements is good armour.

The argument that an enemy may inflict a crush wound through the armor makes no sense anyways. If the strike was enough to break bones through mail it would have broken those same bones if you didn't wear mail, on top of other injuries the mail prevented This reminds me of an anecdote from I believe WW1: when the American army introduced a new helmet to its troops, the amount of soldoers with head wounds increased dramatically. This perplexed the American doctors until someone figured it was because the soldiers that would have died from shots to the head now survived with a head wound. The helmets did their job

the exception of ceremonial equipment must be made.

@@larrymayfield6118 it's ceremonial equipment is still functional for ceremonies :)

@@DuckieMcduck haha fair enough

thanks for watching.

lol, I knew someone would point that out!

As a side note, some hunting dogs wore mail way back when. I can't remember where I saw the pictures though.

Scooby-Doo-Hew.

@@mpj12345 Some were following their masters into battle. Here is a famous one: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_(dog)

@@mpj12345 I saw a show on TV, about hunting feral pigs, where they put body armor on the dogs for protection from the boars' tusks. Of course, it was leather or kevlar, not chainmail - but, still. And I think they put armor or padding on police horses, where they still use them, for crowd/riot control. Materials have changed, but even for animals, armor hasn't entirely gone out of style.

Was about to say the same thing. It's slightly heavier because it's made of copper, and he's doing it for a different reason (to simulate wearing a space suit), but the results are roughly the same.

pretty much what I thought! it lasted nearly two thousand years because the threats didn't change, there's a video from the Royal Armouries showing English civil war plate armour being at least proof against period pistol fire at close range, but it still fell out of favor quickly due to the massive cost in time and money to make

All good points, as well, chain mail is flexible, and allows for a pretty much normal range of bodily motion, unlike plate.

It has. See comments from people using it today for shark protection, in policing situations et.

@@andreww2098 I'll have to check that out.

Mail was definitely not cheap, it was extremely labor intensive to produce.

Not sure what you mean here. Mail was never all-solid rings in medieval Europe. It started out all-riveted in the early medieval, then gradually transitioned to 1:1 solid rings and riveted in the high medieval. This was a big labor savings. In both cases the primary fabrication technique was drawn wire. Punched rings are generally inferior.

@@MinSredMash 4 in one means 4 links connected by one. In the video he states the solid links use to be connected by one riveted link. He goes on to state how he did not know how or why they switched to all riveted links. Links where not drawn into wire in the early times they where punched out of plate. These would be solid links not drawn wire. I know a repeat but the switch was when they made all links from wire. Hope this clears if up.

Punched out of plate? Punch, plate and wire are all expensive artefacts

I fear 4 solid and 1 riveted ring mail is quite impossible to make

@@MinSredMash i wonder how one would make a mail out of all solid rings. Some magic metalworking perhaps

Talking of mules, Marius mules did carry mail long before medieval times

in my larp group, we used to call it the chain mail cha cha cha

@@dinespetersen8711 We also called it the "chain mail wiggle" amongst other names.

Thanks

Exactly there's also this annoying thing in movies and books where guards with chainmail and spears are somehow pushovers ... The guys got the perfect armour and weapon to stop a sword or knife ... Hes got reach and protection ...

@@andrewshraga7301 And they're going to be fast and mobile. So yeah, very dangerous if they've been training all their life

I read this just as he said this. Far funnier

lol, I'm pretty happy much of the time.

@@ModernKnight I'm happy to hear it, Sir! And you do look it! I'm glad to see you sharing your joy with us!

Sounds great!

good point, yes you're right.

@@FlinnGaidin only if you could somehow fuze the rings together

@@tedarcher9120 I think I imagined something incorrectly in my head when I wrote that, lol.

I think you could probably mitigate the weight on lower arms with something like garters below your elbows. I have a feeling that was done, even, but that's off the top of my head!

@@mpj12345 I think that would make it easier to wear as the metal cuffs wouldn't be flapping around, but I don't think it would be lighter per se

@@ruthrouse Not really, it would work the same as his belt in this video, relieving weight from the upper parts.

@@mpj12345 Ok, I can see what you mean by that now.

@@ruthrouse Maybe I should have said belt the first time.

Very uncomfortable in hot weather. It becomes soaked with sweat, heavy and very smelly

I do HEMA Longsword and the jackets we wear are very much like a gambeson. I can attest to just how fast you heat up and tire while wearing one (plus mask, gloves etc) while in combat. They're horrendous in hot weather.

I think that a system which makes armor reduce damage is better. It's not that you are not hit. It's that the energy of the hit is absorbed by your armor. Some of it may go through, particularly if it is a heavy hit, but it would hurt less than without armor.

My favorite RPG by a longshot is Mythras. When you attack someone, they can (and should) parry in response, and if someone rolls well enough they get all sorts of options. Anything from choosing where to hit to tripping your opponent. Good enough armor can make you more or less impervious to someone just whacking at you unless they roll well enough to do stuff like that. Like, mail will block all of the standard damage from smaller swords unless you're strong enough to stab through, attack an unarmored area it or get the opportunity for a real killing stroke. You don't gain HP over time, and it's location-based, so if you *do* get stabbed it can be very bad. But it's designed so that you'll usually just be *seriously injured* rather than killed outright, and that's if you don't just yield when you realize you're outmatched. Most people really don't want to murder other people outside of a battlefield context.