Why was the PRODUCER FIRED from the JACKSON 5’s Motown sessions?

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Why was the PRODUCER FIRED from the JACKSON 5’s Motown sessions?

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The Jackson 5 have run the circuit and won the golden ticket to Motown. Berry Gordy will definitely run them through their paces since he really wasn't at the filmed audition at Hitsville. Berry was busy in Hollywood. Berry Gordy's new El Dorado is Hollywood. He's been a hitmaker and now he wants blockbusters.
The music industry may be changing under him. He's more prepared than he realizes. In an era that will bring forward the Osmond's, the Partridge family, and the Brady Bunch, he has the Jackson 5. The talented family from Gary, Indiana led by the future King of POP! Michael Jackson's talent along with his brothers' as well as a solo Diana Ross, Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder are about to replace the pure pop soul of Motown's 60's acts.
Holland Dozier Holland has left the fold for "greener" pastures. New to Motown are the youngsters Alphonse Mizell, Freddie Perren, Larry Mizell and Deke Richards. Berry will dub them the Corporation and for 4 years the Corporation will pen and produce SMASH hits for the Jackson 5. I want You back, ABC, The Love you save, I'll be there, Ben, Never Can say goodbye, Dancing Machine, Sugar Daddy, I wanna be where you are, and all the rest of the Jackson 5''s hits. Utilizing the mature soul of Michael Jackson and the commercial appeal of the Jackson 5, the Corporation which included Berry Gordy made the Jackson 5 the perfect transition for the Motown of the 1970's.
It's wild to think that the Michael Jackson that became the KING OF POP was in the midst of generational talent from even before he entered Hitsville. Gladys Knight, the Chi-Lites, the 5 Stairsteps, the Emotions, Sam & Dave, Joe Simon, Jackie Wilson, the Miracles and The Godfather of Soul James Brown all crossed paths with Mj, Joseph and the Jackson 5 long before Michael reached age 10. There are varying accounts as to what level of hysteria they engendered.
By July 1968 they had a choice. TV or Motown. They chose Motown. They took a ride with Bobby Taylor to Detroit and auditioned. They still weren't cleared for takeoff. Even though they had positive feedback there were roadblocks.
This video exposes the roadblocks as well as the problems Motown was having up and down the roster.

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@aperson2943 3 ай бұрын

I love your style. This isn't just a mini documentary. It's art. The editing, sound, graphics are all on point. I'm trying to focus on the story, but the editor and artist in me keeps me focusing on the look and feel lol. Even the open title sequence is amazing. I hope your subs skyrocket after the biopic is released. You absolutely do your research. Great work!

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

Such an amazing compliment!

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@delorajackson4286 2 ай бұрын

Not true! The Jackson 5 or Jacksons were as talented as gold shines yellow

@delorajackson4286 2 ай бұрын

Not true! The Jackson 5 or Jacksons were as talented as gold shines yellow

@ryensolar4000 2 ай бұрын

This is a really dope documentary! I am a huge Motown & MJ fan so this is golden. Holland-Doizer-Holland, outside of Smokey, were the key factors to Motown. Berry was a greedy chump. He didn’t look out for those artists like he should have. May they all rest in peace 🙏🏽✨ -SOL

@TheThrillerEffect Ай бұрын

definite thanks for the complement hope you stay enjoying the rest bro

@tiffanygreer9264 2 ай бұрын

Berry Gordy was hell for real

@TheThrillerEffect 2 ай бұрын

Not a game

@fredicagoillanoise1309 2 ай бұрын

Around that time, he began buying up all of his competition too.... Ric Tic/Wingate, Golden World, Inferno etc....he eviscerated all of those labels and their masters and artists all became property and artists for Motown. Some he would push, others he would let go... The Fantastic Four and Edwin Starr came from Ric Tic and Golden World. He kept them.

@danavixen6274 2 ай бұрын

Pioneer? Yes! But. Berry Gordy was the real life Curtis Taylor Jr. 👀

@garfieldharrison510 3 ай бұрын

So you see . He didn’t have a typical childhood. He had a unique childhood. Amazing. Listen to what they saying,how in tune he was involved. His Dad did an amazing job turning them into professionals very early in life. Berry just took it to another level. The work ethic was there for the Brothers.

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

facts

@kyleday5026 2 ай бұрын

if u really believe that michaels dad did something amazing that is a very delusional mindset know the difference between right and wrong he exploited them and led with a iron fist and fear only reason michael was motivated to perform was his love of children he said he would have died without them his dad was a very damaged individual thats why he said to michael if u ever stop singing i will drop u like a hot potato

@garfieldharrison510 2 ай бұрын

@@kyleday5026 okay. Then I'm delusional. You don't have the right to be astute on a life you didn't participate in. All I see was the positive results. Now Joe was out of they're lives by the time they hit 18. Michael was making his own moves. After awhile you have to leave the nest. Joe was there for Michael all through his court cases. Yes. He didn't take no mess. He was raising Blackmen in where? America. America the great. Post civil rights era. So yes I'm delusional and will remain delusional. His children were Black and Born in America. Gary, Indiana. Somebody had to step up. His Father did. Let Joe rest.

@abocas 2 ай бұрын

Jackson Sr. was a two-edged sword. And Michaels upbringing f*ck him up.

@7777Lace 2 ай бұрын

It’s the classic case of a Blessing & a Curse!!! Joe had many Children with Katherine & HE DID NOT LEAVE!!! During those days it was VERY CHALLENGING to raise Children & they had 3 Girls & 7 BOYS (Marlon’s twin Brother Brandon died shortly after birth)!!! And EVERYBODY knows raising BOYS ARE MORE DIFFICULT THAN GIRLS, because of the draw of the STREETS!!! Did Joe do some FKD UP THINGS? Yes! But I really believe, had he left, MJ, Tito & Jermaine may’ve been successful with music, but who knows!!! But one thing that CANNOT BE DENIED….. JOE JACKSON TOOK CARE OF HIS FAMILY!!!! “Hate him or Love him, the UNDERDOGS WERE ON TOP! And ALL OF THEM SHINED until Joe’s & Mike Jax’s HEARTS 💕 STOPPED!!!”

@tiffanygreer9264 2 ай бұрын

Why Diana always gets credit for everything…..Oh she was sleeping with the boss that’s why

@moniqueknox1363 2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@danavixen6274 2 ай бұрын

The Deena to his Curtis. 👀

@Tony-bf3tf 2 ай бұрын

Wooooooooow

@fredricksmith8760 2 ай бұрын

Not really they ALL sleep with the Bosses, Rihanna, Beyonce, Mariah Carey, ALL OF THEM. It doesn't take away from their talent.

@incognegro2315 2 ай бұрын

Mike was basically raised in a circus

@calebfoster588 3 ай бұрын

Another great video 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 can’t wait for the next episode

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the compliment. Glad you’re here for this ride.

@MOLICIOUS69 2 ай бұрын

I love these videos so dope and unique👊🏿👏🏿

@GreenDot-dw4gr 2 ай бұрын

And we know that it wasn't Dianna Ross who discovered the Jackson Five it was Gladys Knight and Bobby Taylor who discovered the Jacksons

@TheThrillerEffect 2 ай бұрын

Yes, and pushed for them

@mechajay3358 3 ай бұрын

Wow, Barry Gordy was very cutthroat when The Jacksons signed to Motown.

@angelicahouston8814 3 ай бұрын

Yes he was Anselmo to my uncle rip 🙏 Gordon Keith 🙏he was the one to discover the Jackson 5 and Joe Jackson 😢💔knew that and took that to his grave. Diana ross rape Michael Jackson repeatedly for years as a kid and when he got older she ran all his girlfriends away especially Stephanie Mils

@JaquelineGoodspeed 3 ай бұрын

@@angelicahouston8814 I believe you

@beyourself2444 3 ай бұрын

You need to be in the music industry. Hollywood and the music industry were being funded by all types of people including the mafia and other suspect groups

@GuardedCrown 3 ай бұрын

Barry G was ruthless.

@danavixen6274 2 ай бұрын

@@angelicahouston8814Yes, I enjoy the music they made together. Eaten Alive, Muscles, etc. But, the connection between Diana and MJ was DISTURBING. I mean I couldn't imagine being involved with a guy I knew from when he was a child or telling him he's 'grown up to be so sexy.' 🤢🤮

@joseyeastwood 2 ай бұрын

Diana Ross had nothing with “ Finding “ the Jackson Five, dude by the name of Bobby Taylor or something like that bought them to the attention of Motown.

@domc192 2 ай бұрын

Bobby Taylor and the Vancovers

@jaybritt6275 Ай бұрын

WASN'T IT GLADYS KNIGHT WHO INTRODUCED THE JACKSON FIVE TO BOBBY TAYLOR .......? TIME , TO TELL THE TRUTH .

@joseyeastwood Ай бұрын

@@jaybritt6275 You know now that i think hard it was your mother.

@charlita25 2 ай бұрын

Nobody is ready for Hollywood. It's like a box of chocolates . You never know what you're gonna get.

@TheThrillerEffect 2 ай бұрын

I understood that reference 🤭

@danavixen6274 2 ай бұрын

Okay Forrest! 😂

@nexxlevel4590 2 ай бұрын

At this point I’m expecting you to have footage from them at the Apollo lol. Amazing job like ALWAYS!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@TheThrillerEffect 2 ай бұрын

if only

@rebeccateece9292 2 ай бұрын

The Jackson five were ready for anything they were fantastic ❤❤×××♡××××❤

@danavixen6274 2 ай бұрын

I see what you did there with the Dreamgirls scene. Priceless! This is my FAVORITE musical! ❤

@TheThrillerEffect 2 ай бұрын

☺️ those who know know 🫵

@danavixen6274 2 ай бұрын

@@TheThrillerEffect 👋🏾✊🏾💪🏾

@kennyboudreaux1657 2 ай бұрын

Anyone noticed that Mike's talking voice isn't as soft as it is in most interviews? He was definitely putting on.

@jerromestevens6844 2 ай бұрын

It literally says Michael Jackson AI in the corner

@Chares-ym8gw 2 ай бұрын

I heard about his actual deep voice 💯

@manbat 3 ай бұрын

NICE!

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

bruh!

@DavidRoss-lo7kz 3 ай бұрын

Bobby Taylor & Gladys Knight

@NYCKZ360 2 ай бұрын

I swear there’s a Prince channel just like this one but I can’t remember how to find it. I’d love to see more content on the 80’s.

@TheThrillerEffect 2 ай бұрын

It’s my other channel. Thanks!

@donalddavis6689 3 ай бұрын

Don't Forget Gladys Knight Help Discovered The Jackson5 Group As Well!! Her And Bobby Taylor Was The First 🥇 One's!! When They Was Up And Around In Gary, Indiana State.

@hassanburton669 3 ай бұрын

I Love The Video!! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 Some Say Motown Should Of Stay In The D… Barry Goes Hollywood!

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

Feels like Berry was looking at Hollywood. Maybe he was burned out on Music?

@sophieglatz 2 ай бұрын

Love your videos they are so informative and the graphics are awesome

@TheThrillerEffect 2 ай бұрын

So glad you’re enjoying it

@adonaiyah2196 3 ай бұрын

6:45 the way that key locked out Snokey was funnier than it should be

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

lol. glad it got a chuckle.

@eddiedean3259 2 ай бұрын

Gordon Keith Forgotten Hero!!!

@garfieldharrison510 3 ай бұрын

You inspired my art of presenting the videos.

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

That's high praise. Thank you. You are definitely the OG from the Prince channel. Appreciate the loyal follow over here as well.

@MarlonBryant-xh9un 2 ай бұрын

All those boys were talented stage presence and was bought along by Berry Gordy star maker extadiinere he definitely them at the beginning, that talent had to b developed, and nirtured

@daskohlar 3 ай бұрын

Michael Jackson never needed his Brother's... No disrespect to all they did because they made a lot of great music as The Jackson 5/Jacksons but Michael always carried the group, especially after Jermaine left

@EricThomas-xx4us 3 ай бұрын

You sound like a Fuc%$#@ Fool You can't say Michael Jackson Without saying The Jackson 5 G.O.A.T.S. DON'T YOU EVER FORGET THAT. YOU BETTER MAKE ROOM FOR THE YOUNG FOLKS!

@erickthefantabulous1 3 ай бұрын

Not disputing what you said, but most successful groups have a lead singer. Maybe 2 lead singers. Most of the time, they end up going solo, but his brothers were talented background singers. & dancers Tito & jermaine played instruments Michael was. Only 11 when the jackson Five hit big, I think he needed his brothers. And they needed him

@tracylee4451 3 ай бұрын

No doubt Michael was the biggest star, but I will always love him and his brothers as a unit. I saw them live four times, and it was, as Michael liked to say "magic" ❤❤❤❤❤❤

@electricwarbaby1 3 ай бұрын

Here we go with that MJ narrative, the brothers also played multiple instruments

@JaquelineGoodspeed 3 ай бұрын

No he needed the support of his brothers but didn't need them to shine. He did that himself. MJ made the family shine, not the other way around. Deal with it.

@GreenDot-dw4gr 2 ай бұрын

But it showed you how classie Gladys and Bobby Taylor

@TheThrillerEffect 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely

@missmindcraft 2 ай бұрын

Bobby Taylor and The Vancouvers was the band Tommy Chong played with.

@TheThrillerEffect 2 ай бұрын

Factual

@0163J 3 ай бұрын

Steel Town records at like they were gonna do something, seriously! Detroit needed Michael and Michael need Detroit and the rest is history

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

PERFECT BREAKDOWN this is real.

@gregorygriffin6341 2 ай бұрын

Does anyone besides myself thinks that the narrator of these clips sounds like Questlove???

@fredicagoillanoise1309 2 ай бұрын

Imagine if Gordy treated HDH properly and paid them well and they penned hits for J5 instead of ©The Corporation

@GreenDot-dw4gr 2 ай бұрын

When Michael Jackson was with the Jackson 5 he sounded more soulful when he went solo he was more pop

@MarlonBryant-xh9un 2 ай бұрын

Man u crazy all those boys were showman at the outset don't get it twisted all of them I've been around I seen them when they were the J5 at the begging Michael became greater than the sum that's all, which was enviable, Barry gromed the whole group, they all were showmen

@thisislogout 3 ай бұрын

The Jackson 5 were phenomenal singers and performers. However, they didn't play any instruments on their albums. It was ALL session musicians who played and recorded on ALL artists who were signed to major record labels at the time, including the beatles and everyone in between.

@ABrownVB63 2 ай бұрын

Two childhood friends and neighbors from Gary Ronnie Rancifer and Johnnie Jackson played on the early Lps snd they are seen in live clips on Flip Wilson and Soul Train shows. Ronnie and Johnnie have lots of efforts on Get It Together LP.

@clydekimsey7503 2 ай бұрын

The Beatles played their own instruments 😮

@ABrownVB63 2 ай бұрын

Easy Google for u Aside from John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr, numerous musicians and other people featured on official recordings by the Beatles. These include friends and family of the group, the band's entourage, and numerous session musicians

@pausetapest.v8302 3 ай бұрын

I wonder why Tito and Jermaine couldn't play there instruments but live performances only?

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

I think Berry Gordy wanted that pro touch. I had no idea the brothers didn’t play on the records.

@pausetapest.v8302 3 ай бұрын

@TheThrillerEffect That's crazy Because Tito can actually play not sure about Jermaine Randy is nice too but what did Marlon really do lol 😆 😂 😅

@beyourself2444 3 ай бұрын

@@TheThrillerEffect I thought that everyone knew this

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

@@pausetapest.v8302 Jermaine can play too. I remember him killing it on Arsenio. I think he was featured in musician magazine. Also if you watch the Paris concert from 1972, he is absolutely in his bag.

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

@@beyourself2444 not me.

@Gjhjug5ydnxh5kdhhhi5p6hxghfvh 3 ай бұрын

Michael jackson the jackson 1969-1970-1971

@orlandeuce6567 2 ай бұрын

BARRY GORDY GOT A KID WITH DIANA ROSS

@Jaheartsjonas 3 ай бұрын

I enjoy the subject and effort put into these videos but the break-neck speed of editing and overuse of effects and AI kind of puts a damper on the work and gives me a headache, makes it harder to follow along. I would recommend toning and slowing all that down, obviously you're making videos for adults, not children who often need new images and transitions on the screen to keep their attention. The old fashioned music documentary style (with clips of interviews, VOs over still images, footage spliced in etc) is tried and true for a reason 😊 just some constructive criticism

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

I appreciate your criticism and will slow the pace. Thank for this.

@Jaheartsjonas 3 ай бұрын

@TheThrillerEffect thanks for understanding. Other than my complaints I really love the video and hope I don't come off as rude saying that. Maybe I'm slow/old mentally but I felt like I had to pay extra attention to keep up with the video unlike with some other channels' MJ docs like The Detail's. Regardless I appreciate all your hard work and effort, you're really talented 💯

@gregbattles4742 2 ай бұрын

JUNE IS BLACK MUSIC MONTH HAPPY BLACK MUSIC MONTH THE MOST COPIED MUSIC IN THE WORLD

@kre-8-tivediting906 3 ай бұрын

I love your videos but there are always one or 2 stupid remarks that always seem to filter thru// Why would Bobby Taylor say James Brown can't sing worth a damn???? Does Your Mama Know granted was a great Bobby Taylor performance...but boy was I shocked when he covered and ruined The Temps "Its Growing" In fact his vocals on that entire LP were shockingly bad

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

Maybe he had some beef with JB. JB was a boss back in the day. He "didn't take no mess".

@thankthelord4536 2 ай бұрын

Well, to be honest, imo JB was not a good singer. Maybe his early days, but for the most part, he was a better dancer and entertainer. His band was his saving grace. They were the most soulful, funkiesr band in the world.

@mactherealestateman 3 ай бұрын

Why are you using AI? It has no soul, no feeling, and u can tell the difference. Its a cool vid, but ai ruins it.

@TheThrillerEffect 3 ай бұрын

Appreciate the critique. I guess in spots I'm trying to put the Moonwalker book in Mj's voice. I'm not trying to hide it though. I'm labeling it so its known. Just trying to maintain a rhythm I guess. Sorry.

@mactherealestateman 2 ай бұрын

@@TheThrillerEffect oh, I get it, but you can clearly tell the difference. But I do like all your vids so far. Very informative, enjoyable, and entertaining.

@TheThrillerEffect 2 ай бұрын

@@mactherealestateman thank you. I also appreciate the feedback.

@robcinq5956 2 ай бұрын

That's far better than any alternative solution. Keep the A.I@@TheThrillerEffect

@GreenDot-dw4gr 2 ай бұрын

When Michael Jackson was with the Jackson 5 he sounded more soulful when he went solo he was more pop

@TheThrillerEffect 2 ай бұрын

Yet he kept that vibe