Why We Might Never Get Another Punch-Out Game

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2 ай бұрын

This is a bit more of a controversial topic I would like to discuss today. It's definitely different from my usual format of video, but I wanted to voice my opinion on this topic for some time now since there's been a lot of talk about whether or not we would get another Punch-Out game. This is only my opinion on the matter, and I encourage you to voice your opinions in the comments below. I hope you enjoy, and be sure to Like and Subscribe if you want to see more of this content in the future!

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@minor_change5116
@minor_change5116 2 ай бұрын
We got oof voice reveal before GTA 6
@joo3414
@joo3414 2 ай бұрын
He also used his voice in “Punch Out Wii, but every punch makes it 1% slower”
@anonamoly
@anonamoly 2 ай бұрын
completely agree tbh. punchout is certainly not meant to be offensive, the stereotypes are used in a lighthearted way and turns what would normally be a dumb thoughtless stereotype into a genuine, fun character, not meant to literally represent every person in their respective state, but with the state of the internet, youre often encouraged to actively "seek out" things and percieve them in an offensive way, "they have been sensationalized to get people outraged" is a very clever wording. its quite unfortunate, at least with every dead game series there comes a bunch of inspired games like pizza tower with warioland
@multistuff9831
@multistuff9831 2 ай бұрын
There’s big boy boxing coming out pretty soon which follows after punch out in a similar vein to what pizza tower did with wario land, its got a demo you can play and I suggest punch out fans check it out
@OverZeelous
@OverZeelous Ай бұрын
@@multistuff9831 It's nothing like Punch-Out, not even close. I like the music, but the gameplay is dull and unchallenging.
@PowerGaming_28
@PowerGaming_28 20 сағат бұрын
Punch Out does it in light-hearted ways that aren't actually offensive, South Park gets away with what they do for that reason. Punch Out makes fun of everyone except makes them all actual characters and not one not stereotypes. Glass Joe is a cowardly french guy, but he clearly has a character. Despite his massive loss streak, Joe keeps fighting hoping for one win, until his doctor makes him wear protective gear. Another example is Soda Popinski. He's Russian, so he likes to drink, except he's actually got characterisation. Every character has an obvious personality, and aren't just "haha french guy" "haha Irish guy" They're also all super wacky anyway, so if you take offense it's entirely on you.
@blaa6
@blaa6 2 ай бұрын
If we can't get a new entry, I'd at least like to see Wii get remastered for Switch.
@JustAnAliveLaser
@JustAnAliveLaser 2 ай бұрын
this
@Fazbear_Entertainment.1983
@Fazbear_Entertainment.1983 Ай бұрын
YES PLEASE
@TheMarcus4
@TheMarcus4 2 ай бұрын
I feel like the reason we might not see another Punch Out game in my opinion isn’t because of its “offensive stereotypes” to me its more “where do you take the series from here”, because it feels like the game on the Wii is the most polished and refined gameplay wise out of all the games in the series that it’s like what could we add to keep it interesting? Best I could see them doing is putting punch out for the Wii on NSO if they make a Wii equivalent player on the switch. As much as the series does use a lot of national stereotypes for its characters that at first glance seems very iffy, if maybe not a little offensive, it does subvert the stereotypes in several respects (I.E. as much as Glass Joe is a weak French man, he never gave up or surrendered like the French is made out to be) or at least doesn’t vilify the boxers for having them and instead adds to their personalities. Gaijin Goombah made a really good video on the subject that goes into a lot more depth and Nintendo has been improving on how they depict the nationalities of the fighters, even if it isn’t perfect, but to be fair nothing regarding this kind of this is gonna be perfect. At the very least, they aren’t trying to erase the game or hide the characters Ala song of the south style, like they didn’t remove the spirit fighters of the boxers from smash ultimate or anything, and if they were going to make a new punch out game, I have a feeling they will be very careful on how to approach it while still trying to make it fun and have personality, Nintendo at large doesn’t follow gaming trends for the most part but they are being mindful on how they go about things and becoming progressive in a slow gradual way. But that’s just my 2 cents on the matter, sorry for the long essay
@silverestsilverever
@silverestsilverever 2 ай бұрын
probably making the game's style like the smash trailer for little mac? idk why they made the trailer a comic style but it's such a crazy good idea
@Ninjarlos
@Ninjarlos 2 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I think about
@Star.6739
@Star.6739 Ай бұрын
Plus, Glass Joe eventually got his way in the end, defeating the final fighter of Super Punch Out
@SonicTheCutehog
@SonicTheCutehog 2 ай бұрын
Punch-Out Wii's ending makes it abundantly clear that it was supposed to be a send-off to the series
@multiversegamer6587
@multiversegamer6587 2 ай бұрын
You mean Mac’s final stand?
@SonicTheCutehog
@SonicTheCutehog 2 ай бұрын
@@multiversegamer6587 Yep
@odin9628
@odin9628 2 ай бұрын
Well they can At least rerelease it
@unknownuser8063
@unknownuser8063 2 ай бұрын
Well something nintendo likes to do In their games sometimes is basically reboot most of their games, they literally did that for pikmin, legend of Zelda and many other franchises, they probably just don't want to make another punch out because of the offensive jokes and how the world is now so that they don't get much backlash, but who knows? Maybe in some point of time In the future, nintendo will retcon this game once again, even mike tyson said he wanted to do another punch out game
@Finn_the_Cat
@Finn_the_Cat 2 ай бұрын
I don't think Nintendos problem with it is the possibility of it being offensive but perhaps the unprofitability, they didn't leave the contrat with Tyson to rot because of the personal life issues it was his loss to Buster Douglass, ​and I think if they wanted to they would but Mike Tyson isn't as popular as he once was and neither is punch out so it's possible I just don't think it's likely we'll see another one @unknownuser8063
@CaptainDogFood
@CaptainDogFood 2 ай бұрын
If they are gonna make another Punch-Out game, they should at least bring back some of the characters who only had one appearance in the series. Kid Quick, Pizza Pasta, 9 of the 16 opponents in Super Punch-Out (SNES), and Disco Kid.
@OverZeelous
@OverZeelous Ай бұрын
Ordinarily I would say "There's no way Nintendo would let backlash get in the way of their games" Then I remembered them removing the feather from G&W's Forward Smash, and now I have to agree. I miss when games were separate from reality, now they have to cater to the beliefs of the general public or else they'll make little to no money due to bad publicity, at least, that's what the big companies like Nintendo, Xbox, SEGA, and Sony believe.
@RachelleHeart
@RachelleHeart Ай бұрын
As a new PO fan. I think I get it that the reason we won't get another PO games might because of it's offensive stereotypes being presented in the series. But I feel like there's a chance that it's still possible for a new PO game being made even with the stereotypes (but in this case, they probably slightly toned down the stereotypes) (Take street fighters or any fighting games for example)
@TheMarcus4
@TheMarcus4 2 ай бұрын
Having owned ARMS I can definitely tell you that you’re right it doesn’t quite play like Punch Out because it has many types of customization options for the boxing gloves you could use with your player character as well as the home stages for each character is more dynamic with obstacles and power ups and more movement to go around your opponent than a simple boxing ring for all of them, and that you could choose one of the 15 characters in that game vs being Little Mac all the time. Not to mention the game has multiplayer modes that allow you team up and fight against others
@ianxd7302
@ianxd7302 2 ай бұрын
Well Mike Tyson said they will make another punch out game. But I don’t know if it’s going to be another punch out, probably a remaster of the Wii, or a new story to the game but we’ll have to see by the time the switch 2 is released.
@FranzoOnLine
@FranzoOnLine 2 ай бұрын
I think he was referring to the NES punch-out on switch online being the version with Mr. Dream.
@chuchip9633
@chuchip9633 Ай бұрын
When did he say that and where pls
@adamdonnelly6470
@adamdonnelly6470 Ай бұрын
In my opinion, the idea that Punch Out is offensive is blown way out of proportion. Vodka Drunkenski and Bob Charlie doing a shuck and jive in Super Punch Out are the only legitimately problematic bits of characterisation, one of which was quickly addressed with the pivot to Soda Popinski. The way I see it, if you’re a smaller Nintendo series, you need somebody to champion you at the company to see any sort of ongoing development. Pikmin has Miyamoto, Metroid has Sakamoto, Kid Icarus had Sakurai until he dipped. The Wii Punch Out only got made because the team at Next Level Games explicitly requested the opportunity to work on the series.
@bea_chan
@bea_chan 2 ай бұрын
You know what I wanna see? I wanna see a women's boxing reboot of Punch-Out. Our main character is Margaret Rivera, a.k.a. Lil' Maggie, a Little Mac fangirl since childhood. Now that she's grown up, she's gunning for the top just like him. One of the characters we fight here, I imagine, would be a woman who's a yamato nadeshiko in daily life (look it up) and releases her bottled-up anger via boxing. :)
@EWOODJ
@EWOODJ 2 ай бұрын
I’d prefer it be a sequel.
@rarewubbox64official
@rarewubbox64official 2 ай бұрын
Mad respect to you for not stopping your punch out content
@ilikepurper1160
@ilikepurper1160 2 ай бұрын
its crazy to hear your voice this video is fire btw
@00F
@00F 2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@realCATGODyt
@realCATGODyt Ай бұрын
It's kinda sad how we haven't gotten an entry in the series considering the deep roots punchout has with Nintendo. It's a unique but simple game that you can make alternatives to, but can never replace.
@aarondinkelman2412
@aarondinkelman2412 2 ай бұрын
Look oof, if they could get away with the stereotypes back in 2009, they can do it now. I recommend watching my friends video about a discussion about the next punch out by Arekkusu TM.
@matthewwielenga
@matthewwielenga 2 ай бұрын
I have to disagree with your reasoning, as there are plenty of games out there even now with stereotypes such as Metal Wolf Chaos, that are beloved because of their exaggerated depection. What is a likely issue is that punch out is a niche franchise, beloved by its fans, but not moving units like other Nintendo mainstays, suffering the likes of other fanchises like Kid Icuris, lacking mainstream demand to push for a new title.
@juleskireeff4563
@juleskireeff4563 2 ай бұрын
I think that Punch out is just at another whole new level in terms of stereotype.
@Pseudo_Notfound
@Pseudo_Notfound 2 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure if Nintendo was not the publisher this game would have been remake.
@Letcharlieplay2545
@Letcharlieplay2545 29 күн бұрын
As someone going into the games industry, I feel a bigger reason is that Nintendo doesn't think Punch out would be profitable enough. Nintendo, like most game companies, is trying max out profitability, thus, they only invest in very strong titles like mario, zelda, etc. I mean a lot of franchises are being ignored that DON'T have offensive stereotypes like starfox and f-0-, yet games like Zelda, which has frequently and repeatedly been criticized for taking from cultures and designing characters offensively get a free pass. It's not about offensiveness, nintendo doesn't give a shit about that, most companies, especially in japan, don't, it's about what can be most easily marketed and sold to the most consumers. Thus, widely beloved, pg games like mario and zelda can do whatever while punch out gets thrown out. Plus the gaming market (At least for triple a titles) nowadays is geared towards open world adventures and huge stories, often with decision based gameplay. It's what the market finds trendy and pushes on to the consumers. Punch out is a mechanics driven game that has little story and only one playable setting. It's a formula that isn''t the current and thus not profitable enough to invest in. So what would make nintendo make a new punch out game? Market incentive. Either more consumers demand a punch otu game or the formula punch out is based on gets popular again.
@SollyTrue
@SollyTrue 2 ай бұрын
Nice to hear your voice btw, friend. And I also agree, albeit there is another reason people often forget: Punch-Out is also not very popular in Japan itself... at all. Not to say they hate it though! Just doing a bit of research, when Little Mac was announced for Smash 4, most Japanese fans had never even heard of him, or thought he was an obscure pick for the game due to being only popular in other countries; kinda like how we think of how we think of Fire Emblem, and the initial inclusions of Marth and Roy in Melee. So I don't think it's only due to being potentially offensive to newer audiences. I think it's also that Nintendo HQ in Japan simply don't think of it very often. It's worth noting that even latest installment on the Wii wasn't even made in Japan, but by a Canadian studio! (yes, they went to the effort to include Bear Hugger and update his personality, so they're in on all the laughs) I think it's Nintendo of America (or Canada) who will have to take the reigns of the series to make it their own. (Sorry for wall-of-text)
@pamoon_
@pamoon_ 2 ай бұрын
You and zallard are why I love the series.
@dodo422_82je
@dodo422_82je 2 ай бұрын
Next: Punch out but no punching scene.
@spobsquare
@spobsquare 2 ай бұрын
I still have hope for a Wii switch port I really want to experience punch out Wii after many years of only just watching play throughs of it on KZfaq since I was little
@Ryemoon062
@Ryemoon062 2 ай бұрын
Although i wish we did get a new Punch out game (or atleast switch port, if thats even possible) But i do see Nintendo trying to be safe from any backlash. also another possible reason is that they don't feel like punch out is worth another game
@matthewsmith1999
@matthewsmith1999 2 ай бұрын
I feel your pain bro but at least you’re still playing it and the arcade version is on the switch
@Popdosty
@Popdosty 2 ай бұрын
I think that punch out has always had this architype, With Nintendo making characters such as Mario(fat Italian mascot) and Kirby most of the time, The fact these characters exist at all is a miracle. Another thing, Nintendo loves to experiment, that's what the Wii and switch are. motion controls jank revolutionized gaming and is the first domino to making VR. If they draw the line at a verry popular and marketable series for being "offensive" then guess I'm wrong. Even then they can always create an entirely new cast of characters and maybe shine a light on pizza pasta from, the arcade games. Overall, I don't think a game with this much of a following is getting discontinued.
@vidyabatter
@vidyabatter 2 ай бұрын
I feel like all the stereotypes could fly if they made Mac say YERRR to compensate for them
@jknifgijdfui
@jknifgijdfui 2 ай бұрын
I dunno if the stereotypes were that bad nintendo wouldnt keep rereleasing the first 2 punch out games with no changes plus they could just make new characters that arent stereotypes i think the reasons probably because japan doesnt care that much about punch out
@buffete3753
@buffete3753 2 ай бұрын
We Can still count on fangames
@whateveryouwantmetobe.1489
@whateveryouwantmetobe.1489 2 ай бұрын
Yeah unless nintendo decides to screw the people who make them by taking the games down.😢
@jknifgijdfui
@jknifgijdfui 2 ай бұрын
​@@whateveryouwantmetobe.1489they rarely do thar unless its something that directly replaces a nintendo product also you could just have no official ties to punch out and make ur own game that way you can also profit off it
@GreenKnight07
@GreenKnight07 2 ай бұрын
@@whateveryouwantmetobe.1489 Then use different characters. There are already 2 games inspired by punch out called "Election Year Knockout 2020" and "Big Boy Boxing" and they are still avaiable.
@nolan414_
@nolan414_ 2 ай бұрын
ONE DAY
@pabloherranz1795
@pabloherranz1795 2 ай бұрын
Holy cannoli, the guy!
@deadspacekidspacekid8251
@deadspacekidspacekid8251 2 ай бұрын
I waiting for Punch out 2 also offensive is rough to see him fight to everyone let such hope give us new punch out in 2025
@FranzoOnLine
@FranzoOnLine 2 ай бұрын
I think Punch-Out wii is very offensive because it doesn't have a boxer from my country.
@thereal4815
@thereal4815 Ай бұрын
I like your narration :)
@Iliterallyeatsoap
@Iliterallyeatsoap 2 ай бұрын
Good Video bruv. Also that's how you Sound like?
@00F
@00F 2 ай бұрын
Yep
@PowerGaming_28
@PowerGaming_28 20 сағат бұрын
Punch Out really isn't offensive. Every character is wacky and stereotypical, but it really doesnt matter. People hyperinflate how "cancel culture" is. People get cancelled for real reasons now, not for saying a light-hearted joke. Maybe if it was 2020, I'd understand, but it's 2024. Nobody overreacts like they used to, except a VERY SMALL minority. And people (mostly conservatives) massively blow the proportions of that minority out of proportion. There isnt a new Punch Out game because... Well, what are they gonna do? Wii was already the perfect Punch Out game. They should just release Wii on Switch and call it a day, no need for a new game. Would i like one? Of course Does the franchise need one? No, not at all
@BenRitter
@BenRitter 2 ай бұрын
Japan is less concerned about Western, shall we say, sensibilities. I for one am inclined to use our EYKO engine to pitch a new Punch Out to Nintendo. What would you think of that?
@00F
@00F 2 ай бұрын
That would be awesome! I hope it works
@BenRitter
@BenRitter 2 ай бұрын
@@00F Yeah but, should we play it safe and traditional with our pitch? Nintendo kinda hates that. Or should we lean into how we solved the game's controls for mobile, and (in my opinion) added to the gameplay loop in meaningful ways.
@00F
@00F 2 ай бұрын
@@BenRitter Are you saying the game was made in a custom engine? As a game developer myself, if I was wanting to pitch my projects to a AAA studio, I would have to consider what they would want to see in a pitch, especially one that would bring back a major IP that hasn’t been touched in 15 years. I would say if they don’t like a traditional pitch, you should go with showing what you could do to improve upon the game from 2009. Though seeing as how the 2009 game was a masterpiece in itself, this may be quite difficult to improve upon.
@BenRitter
@BenRitter 2 ай бұрын
@@00F WPO is a masterpiece. We set out to make a wpo-like with added counterplay and reward for risk, and I think we succeeded. The fact that it works on Mobile and controller at the same time with no compromises is just a nice bonus. I think it's a strong pitch to bring back PunchOut, and one players of such masterpieces might be willing to give a chance despite the changes to the game loop. EYKO was made in Cocos2dx, heavily modified to suit our needs. KO2 is currently being developed in Unity, but we're finding we're also making some major engine changes to things like the Spine runtime to get it to work there. Beyond that, our lead programmer has a pretty robust setup for creating the fights and that's what I think we could use to get a real PunchOut sequel off the ground quickly and with reduced overhead cost.
@jknifgijdfui
@jknifgijdfui 2 ай бұрын
Hey nothing wrong with a dang good trilogy besides big boy boxing looks pretty good
@00F
@00F 2 ай бұрын
And that is a game that looks very promising, and I look forward to playing it when it releases
@StrikerElite923
@StrikerElite923 2 ай бұрын
I really hope this is proven false because Punch-Out Wii was heading in a very great direction for the series.
@Ninjarlos
@Ninjarlos 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I will definitely be political with this. I’ll just say people now these day will definitely find these characters uncomfortable and would bring the attention to the media. I don’t want any political chaos to happen. As much as I would love a new punch out game with every single character from the series, (Original + Super Punch Out), it’s definitely not going to happen.
@Ursi_
@Ursi_ 2 ай бұрын
people aren’t gonna be angry about country stereotypes lol, that’s not political
@rickandmortyy277
@rickandmortyy277 2 ай бұрын
I played this game and i don’t care about the stereotypes i just pay attention to the gameplay, the characters and the animations. I don’t think it’s racist at all because it’s a boxing game and boxing is international
@richa7970
@richa7970 18 күн бұрын
Guys GTA is not offensive, deaths and beaing able to kill people as part of a game is not offensive yup pretty soon there will be no games no mortal Kombat, no street fighter cuz it’s too violent promoting fighting on streets. The list goes on and on. I love Punch out! It’s fun they poke at everyone including themselves Piston Hondo, Heike Kagero, Kabuki, that’s 3 folks 3 Japanese references to Japanese characters in this game Nintendo Arm Wrestling punch out spin off Punch Out Famicom gold or MTPO or Mr. Dream ver. And SNES Super punch out and honestly I enjoy all the characters all of them my favorite being Soda Popinski/Vodka Drunkenski I know it won’t be the same but I think attempt # 2 to let us select more if not all boxers to play punch out would be awesome just use all past boxers that’s 38 for those that are counting this includes Spin Off characters and Game & Watch oh to dream that’s my Punch out dream and the return of Mike Tyson!! Come on Nintendo take our money call it the put your money where your mouth is deposit only no refunds can exchange for another game with disclaimer that you Nintendo have to make a profit done! Do it Nintendo we want Little Mac, Green haired boxer/arm wrestler/ blonde guy and the two un named G&W characters to battle it out punch out style! Oh yeah include Peach!🤣 sorry not sorry for rant!!!
@Ursi_
@Ursi_ 2 ай бұрын
hey man why’re you replying on a yt video that it’s sad that someone is a ‘troon’ that’s kinda weird man
@Potpie_king
@Potpie_king 2 ай бұрын
RACIAL STEREOTYPES ARE MY FAVORITES!!! (joke)
@ShayminLover492
@ShayminLover492 2 ай бұрын
TL;DR - If Nintendo tried to make a new Punch Out game today in the 2020s, they'd immediately get attacked by cancel culture, which could cause the game to have terrible sales, thus killing off the franchise for good, since companies don't want to associate with properties that end up being a financial liability for them. It's a lose-lose situation.
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