Tried effects/compress and effects/amplify? That's Zoom. They can't not record. They use them at FMOD and in movies.

I disagree its extremely hissy. The gain is to high.

Because an average linux user should be a hacker and a reverse engineering wizard. (also everyone has to use arch)

@@Sigma1 not necessarily, but this video is targeted toward enthusiasts that want to move the needle in the greater Linux hardware support ecosystem. If you can, you should.

This like they said doesn't incentivize hardware manufacturers to have good Linux support.

​@@lorddarthvader6289 you're not wrong, but if you can't install linux on non-supported devices, and no-one is putting in the work to let those become supported devices, then people won't use linux because they can't, and now no-one uses linux, so why would a company put in the effort to have linux support. The road to support starts at compatibility. Linux gaming was, frankly nonexistant, before proton, yet now, an entire gaming console can run on it. First party support sounds better sure, but is it? I mean jesus christ, proton can run games better than native on windows, could those games presumably run even better native on linux? yeah, probably, if they were made amazingly, but plenty of games actually run WORSE native on linux than they do if you download the windows version and run it under proton. The simple reality is that linux's primary asset is it's community and adaptability, stubbornly refusing to take advantage of that advantage to try to put the pressure on manufacturers to handle first party support just isn't smart.

The issue is most people including me have no idea how tf to do that. would i like to if i could sure can i? hell no i can install arch nix os or gentoo(god the waiting) but i like most people have no idea how to do that

one thing I never got is that, you CAN install linux on the machines running pluton from what I've read, you just have to manually configure it to bypass it. That's, not a new thing. When I recently bought my laptop I had to disable secure boot in the bios to boot a live usb, that's not a new thing. What is it, exactly, that pluton does that isn't just secure boot under a different name?

@@robonator2945 What stops them from disabling the disable option?

pluton will be implemented via software or hardware chips and is up to the individual manufacturers of the CPUs. intel has decided to go for a hardware solution and amd is using software. WE can see this take point via via tpm 2.0, it isn't the standard they wanted. But it was a middle ground that could be agreed upon. I also despise Microsoft greatly mind you, but I don't think they want to risk another antitrust lawsuit quite yet.

Scary and very inconvenient

In order to write a driver you need to know the hardware. This means either relying on documentation or reverse engineering. Since Linux has to run on hardware made by companies who hide their documentation as a form of trade secret, this kind of support often falls between difficult and legal minefield. That's why Linux tends to work better with standard or older hardware; people had time to figure things out. It's kind of like waiting for a crack to an upcoming video game.

not sure precisely what you're looking for but Tuxedo computers may be something you might want to look into. You pay a premium but you get a premium. Depends on what you want of course but they seem worth mentioning to me. You can get some SERIOUSLY beastly computers from them, like computers so absurdly overbuilt that I'm not sure I could find a motherboard capable of competing if I wanted to build one myself.

@@robonator2945 Tuxedo and System76 are both basicaally Clevo machines customized to be ideal systems for Linux. Which is awesome. But a Framework literally can be ordered as a kit. You get a motherboard and all of the parts that build a laptop … and instructions to build it like you would a desktop. And the ability to buy literally any repair part in the system you need to replace. Have professional electronics equipment and know hot to use it? Board diagrams and schematics and individual components are not restricted. If a $2 part is fried on your $1000 laptop integrated motherboard, take it to your microscope and soldering rework station and replace that part, if you have the skill to do it. System76 and Tuxedo and Purism are freakin' awesome … but their laptops are OEM/ODM Clevo units. Case in point, the Tuxedo InvinityBook S 14 review noted is a Clevo L141CU. A previously examined System76 Galago 14 was a Clevo N130BU. This isn't me whining about overpaying for a rebadged Clevo. These machines are customized by Linux companies who know Linux, have the power and the desire to make sure _EVERYTHING_ works, and to do things like disable the Intel Management Engine or even develop Coreboot as an alternative to UEFI in System76's case. You're not paying for "markup", you're paying for badass companies to do the hard work of making these devices Linux-ready at the factory in ways that will be difficult or even impossible out in the real world. But I can't just go get a random Clevo replacement part. I won't be swapping my 11th or 12th gen CPU motherboard for a 13th gen next year. With the framework, yeah, I'll be able to do that because they've already delivered on that promise once already. I really wanted to support both. Unfortunately, for this newly purchased machine I am using now … I didn't get a choice. I had my choice of Dell craptop or the other Dell craptop. It was not my money that paid the invoice, so I didn't get to pick the vendor. It's moderately proprietary, moderately ridiculous, and moderately Linux-unfriendly, all as you'd expect.

The Framework team works with the Linux community to make sure it works. I think the only caveat they had was the fingerprint reader. I've got a Framework laptop and running Manjaro, and I love it.

Yep

Linux's lack of "embracing" isn't the problem here. The problem is that PC hardware is becoming more phone-like every day, and there simply aren't enough engineers to take on the tedious process of reverse-engineering proprietary drivers for every single piece of hardware.

@@RamLaska It's because of the proprietary drivers for laptops and pre-builts that only work on Windows. The manufacturers build the wall for Micro$oft's garden, Micro$oft doesn't even need to try.

Linux community already embrace all hardware. Manufacturer's build barriers such as Binary only drivers and exclusive windows only support. Hardware should be compatible with any Software stack which is usually limited by the vendor providing that software bridge exclusively to the writers of the software being developed. I can understand protecting IP but some vendors go too far but it's usually to protect multi million dollar investments with their partners. this is harmful to the PC eco system which is comprised of more than just windows or

The community will always embrace the good hardware - as all the devs want nice things too. But by buying stuff that actually ships with LInux support - better still FOSS level driver Linux support means more companies may just buy into that working method. Soon as they say they are doing that its jumping right into getting every Linux news publisher doing free advertising for them as we all love that FOSS philosophy and nice new easy to use hardware is worth celebrating!

I just want to note that I built a new PC last year that windows absolutely refused to install on to, complaining about a missing storage driver. I turned everything not needed off, disconnected all non-essential hardware, and downloaded all the drivers i could find for my hardware.. still it complained about missing drivers and blocked the install. so now it's running gentoo and i'm much happier

The prices are out there on these laptops. Id buy refurbed with linux installed no problem

S76 are great, I really want them to open stores in the UK or Europe at least so they won't be as expensive next time I need a new one.

@@DudelerDudee I hear they have a European distributor in the works.

Maybe consider the HP Dev One a collaboration between HP AMD and system 76.

Ironically things like the boot loader and how these devices work with signature the m1/2 are the best for security on Linux as the device trusts your signature you do not need to get your UEFI vendor to accept it if MS to bless you

It's Linux. They aren't going to sell it. They're going to give it away. They have plans to do just this

We're mostly talking about laptops in this video. You're right, though. For a desktop, you just have more control over the hardware. Though I have noticed that motherboard RGB can't really be used on Linux in many instances.

@@gardiner_bryant thanks, by the way: I had great experiences with Tuxedo computers.

@@gardiner_bryant no rgb? Thats a feature not a bug

I figured the graphics card should be easiest just buy the best amd gpu in the price range

@@killertigergaming6762 Yes, of course, I will buy AMD. But, even their cards can take up to a year after release for a good user experience under Linux.

I love Manjaro because it's just Arch but with GUIs, that and it's the Base for Steam OS 3. (Wait did Valve officially manage to count to three finally?)

Apple solution for firmware is much better. Each is you install has its own firmware bundle that the boot loader loads this is really nice as you don’t need to worry that your macOS install updates and light thus break firmware compatibility with your Linux installation

Microsoft and the shortages are pushing vendors to use components that are not well supported in Linux yet. It's also hardware vendor's fault for not publishing drivers in the kernel.

@@gardiner_bryant I don't think Microsoft wants to dominate the home user OS space anymore. Microsoft 365 and Xbox gaming services is much more profitable for them. Microsoft has made this clear with their recent Linux support on their tools. Monthly recurring income is way better than a one time $10 or $20 fee the OEM manufacturer has to pay MS for a windows license. Also Microsoft embracing the steam deck and officially supporting cloud gaming on it, proves it. They just want $10 a month on gaming and $10 a month of devices like Microsoft 365. Maintaining an OS is expensive for consumers. On business side, windows sever still makes them some money. They would much rather sell you compute on Azure, even if it's Linux compute.

@@gardiner_bryant in general historically very few vendors of parts that are exclusive to consumer laptops have bothered writing drivers for linux. I don't think that has changed much in the last few years it is just as bad as it was. Parts that have linux support tend to have it due to the part vendor wanting to sell to the IOT market or other embedded market (wifi chipsets, etc) but parts that are consumer desktop only have never had that consideration.

That's great to hear, my friend! I hope to see you at a Linux convention some time soon!

better go back to punch cards when you can do your own stuff yourself, k.i.s.s.

It was bought by IBM

I guess part of the advantage of a ~$200 laptop is that it will either be older and thus will have drivers written and well tested. Or be using less experimental more common chipsets which are cheaper because they are mass produced. So support immediately goes up. Its definitely where I prefer to sit.

The fact you don't have issues with linux has really nothing to do with ubuntu

They did sort cover this, to some degree it is supply chain,. many vendors are no longer able to source a givens static set of parts even within a single product line Dell have been shipping the same laptop to different people was really different internal components (stuff that is not on the spec sheet of course like wifi chipset, audio, USB chipset, display etc).. It has become very hard to put in large orders and be able to depend on getting these on time when expected (with factories randomly closeting down due to lockdowns etc) so the permutation of hardware is constantly changing much more than it used to were dell would have used the same bluetooth controler for 2 to 3 years running as they could depend on their supplier being able to provide them with as much as they needed whenever they needed it. Even big vendors like apple (who are known for buying out entire factory production when they need to) have had to put efforts in so that to reduce the dependency on the `legacy nodes` a key example is in the M2 chip this now includes some signal pressing for the trackpad sensors that used to be down by a little controler chip attach to the trackpad. But by moving it inside the SOC apple have been able to remove there dependance on that part (the chip shortage does not really effect the cutting edge nodes in the same way)

Indeed I've never had any driver problems on anything - but largely as I haven't in years had anything but old laptop and good desktops. Its all the custom setups laptops have within the correct but varied chipset connection options that get you caught out. The only thing 'wrong' with any of my older machines is ALSA thinks the headphones are the speaker and visa-versa, it works fine and could be fixed if I cared enough as its just the laptop wired the sound chip up with two of its output channels swapped to the 'default' layout.

​@@foldionepapyrus3441 I think a lot of it boils down to what you mentioned. Can I be bothered to fix it. ALSA fiddling certainly comes under that category. Obviously if the vitals like mouse not working, wifi etc are musts. For me I'm a bit of an audio geek (Audiophile) so I would often eventually get off my arse and fix it. Although these days I use external DACs and Linux runs better out of the box than windows does for that (many required an extra driver). Definitely not denying Linux will run into issues with certain chipsets, especially newer features. Just you and I tend not to hit those issues. As Jay said, its lunacy to say any OS will run on anything. Just that with OSS there is the ability for the community or random nutters to tweak it to do so in their basement. Or in reality various companies like Canonical or RedHat etc who make efforts to eventually catch up. So it generally eventually does run on most things. Whereas Windows has an army of devs from hardware companies making sure there are working drivers, and Mac tries the same on a limited hardware set. But yes, slightly older laptops really don't cause many issues. And as Gardiner pointed out, the generally better performance on *nix means it breaths new life into them. I took on a Lenovo Thinkpad E530 years ago. It has been my diagnostic site laptop for years and doesn't show any sign of death or slowness.

@@jetblackstar I mostly agree, although I'd argue you can claim Linux will run on anything and everything, eventually, but on day one for new hardware... As it does seem like even if it takes 20 years there is some nutter that really wants to make x work again 'usefully' and linux is the best platform to build that out of so suddenly it will. Where M$ are very happy to kill support and remove even for perfectly working drivers with their updates... What you can't claim is that any OS will work flawlessly on anything - when Apple can't even make that happen with such a tiny tiny subset of 'legal' hardware configs possible in their tightly integrated walled garden the slighlty more open M$ and the FOSS community have no chance either.

give Fedora a shot. Everytime I use ubuntu I get that broken packages BS too but from what I've heard fedora is a lot better than ubuntu at this point.

@@robonator2945 Thanks for the suggestion! Maybe I’ll have to have a secondary Linux install to give Linux a fair shake. My main use case will be stuck on Ubuntu thanks to ROS and Nvidia Jetson & Drive devices unfortunately.

Ha, "security", when used in the context of Windows, can be loosely translated as "to secure Microsoft's revenue stream."

@@d00dEEE yep. They could have worked with distros to make keys for UEFI secure boot but nope it’s all about them mandating specs a board manufacturer must follow to shut out everything else

@@phill1060 or they could make the machine owner have the ability to sign there own kernels that the UEFI would trust. Require you to set a PW on your bios and then let a user that authenticates with this be able to sign any kernel they ant to boot (see M1/2 Macs and how they doo secure boot were the root of trust is the machine owner not apple).

Theres the pinebook pro other then that really nothing but i would just recommend a old thinkpad at that point