a level 4 character wiz1/cleric3 can prepare spells of second level, since Clerics do, in fact, prepare spells and he does, in fact, have the ability to prepare level 2 spells. In this instance Larian is more correctly interpreting the rules than you are, if the rule is truly written the way you say it is

@@anonymous-pr2sy - A Wiz1 Cleric3 can prepare level 2 spells, but not wizard spells. This is unambiguously stated in the multiclassing rules: We get told: "If you have more than one spellcasting class, this table might give you spell slots of a level that is higher than the spells you know or can prepare." And we get a clear example in the PHB: "For example, if you are the aforementioned ranger 4/wizard 3, you count as a 5th-level character when determining your spell slots: you have four 1st-level slots, three 2nd-level slots, and two 3rd-level slots. However, you don't know any 3rd-level spells, nor do you know any 2nd-level ranger spells." Larian have changed this, and only for Wizards. for instance, e.g. a Cleric1+Bard2 can't prepare any level 2 spells, but a Wizard1+Bard2 would be allowed to prepare level 2 Wizard spells (in BG3, not 5e).

@@anonymous-pr2sy Imagine being so confidently incorrect.

@@Moley1Moleo Yes but the exact wording of the rule does not specify "a wizard spell you can prepare", but "a spell level you can prepare".

@@Sotanaht01 - The multiclass rules say: "You determine what spells you know and can prepare for each class individually, as if you were a single-classed member of that class." Is there something unclear here? Doesn't this unambiguously explain how it works, and that (for instance) the Wizard scroll scribing that Larian allows would not be allowed in 5e?

Of course it's OP. Incredibly broken in fact. Tons of homebrew that upsets balance in a big way and trivializes even the hardest difficulty. Then again broken balance is a bit of a trademark of Larian, their attitude has always been for the player to enjoy breaking the game or to refrain from doing the plethora of stuff that breaks it.

Sure but none of that is what we're talking about here. The issue is with getting access to high level spells of a class (and many slots of them) when you only have 1 level of the class. That's never been a mechanic in any of the tabletop game rules that I know of (ex. Pathfinder/D&D), and is brokenly overpowered including in this game. It's not about having _learnt_ spells, it's about having the ability to cast them [without expending the scroll]. It makes no sense that a level 1 wizard could cast a level 9 (17th caster level) spell.

@@RansomMemoryAccess Maybe you agree with me as well, but I'm sure players could find a bunch of powerful loopholes/exploits when following the rules, but this just flat out isn't following any sort of balance rules. No effort was made; it's dumb and should be patched out. Let modders add it in if people want to go crazy

@@MsHojat I think you completely miss the philosophy of game design applied in this game and larian games in general. Who cares if people find and exploit loopholes when it only affects them? You can't ruin anyone else fun with them. Let people go crazy if they want to, what the hell does it matter? It is not like this is a basic feature of any wizard build, and you just can't avoid it and it breaks your game.

@@RansomMemoryAccess Increased spell selection does make for a lot of fun, but it's far from being over powered or broken. It may even be less powerful then just being a plain wizard and doesn't compete at all with the stronger multi-class builds.

I love you and your videos bro

Yeah, I'm a healer cleric lvl 6 and got wizard lvl 1, 4 extra spells either damage or not, helps A LOT (using the 17 int hat)

Same, with a few items I feel like my way of the open hand monk is really doing a lot of damage, plus stunning strike is just amazing!

@@CasualVeteranGamer Honestly, I haven't felt the need to use stunning strike, I can typically kill most enemies in 1 turn, however, I still am only in Act 1 (currently in Grymforge about to fight Nere). I expect that stunning strike will be more relevant in Act 2 qand beyond

Not sure how to best use it yet, but if you take tavern brawler, you can add your str to your damage and attack rolls. Might be worth it :)

@@marcrainbow1714 It really is, especially with some of the tougher boss fights. They start getting really tanky and dangerous, and so taking them out of commision with a stunning strike even for 1 turn while you mop up the rabble or focus on the boss can be a big help. ACT 2 has a lot of boss encounters. There's also a hood you can get that every time you punch someone you get + save DC to your stunning strike, so if you hit and the enemy makes the save, the second attack has a better chance of stunning them. Plus with AC items and optimized stats my monk at level 8 has the highest ac of any party member at 24.

How are you running gwm without constantly missing attacks?

There's a mod for artificer on Nexus. Pretty fun.

I'd view it as being a cleric with the possibility of casting wizard spells. I wouldn't make a character like this expecting to be able to cast spells all day long, it's all about having the extra choice and versatility that the wizard spells bring.

You could just pick the best wizard and cleric spells into what slots you have, which IS broken

There are so many bugs, people don't care about a new one lol

Wait, what?

@@benjaminflesher558 I assume, that means that on short rest you recover your warlock spell slots only. However you can use those warlock spell slots for all spells that your character knows.

Except that it's currently bugged depending on what leve slots you have, but hopefully that will be sorted soon

@@zyfryth yes exactly so I always cast using my warlock slots first even if it's a different classes spell

@@walulu6531 how do you do this? I'm currently a 1 wiz/2 lock/x sorc but I have to use spell slots first before I can use warlock slots.

Awesome information, will note this!

What levels did u use for the ur Jack of all trades build

@@mrjarvis7466 Knowing what I know now I probably would do it differently. 1st level of rogue can be a good choice because you get an extra skill proficiency when you start as a rogue vs when you multiclass into it. That's what I did before but I would probably only do this if I wasn't planning to run with Astarion. Make sure to put expertise in Sleight of Hand if you choose rogue. If I was going to use Astarion then I would just go straight spell casting until I completely exhausted those options for the most powerful combat build. If I wasn't going rogue at 1st level I would definitely go Sorceror at 1st level for Constitution Saving throw proficiency. Storm sorcery is the best option because you'll be able to wear armor and only go 1 level in sorcery, negating the benefits of dragon, and wild magic is less fun if you never advance it past 1st level. Ranger at 2nd level unlocks heavy armor proficiency. (not automatic you have to select the option that includes this) Wizard at 3rd level is the only way you can start getting level 2 spells to cast. At this point you have to decide how you want to play the game and if you want to become an oath breaker. I think Oath breaker is fine because going only 1 level of paladin doesn't really get into the major interesting features of any of the other archetypes. So I would go 1 level of paladin here but you may want to hold off if you feel like you don't want to be an oath breaker but you may make choices that would cause that to happen. If you wait on paladin just make sure to do it on an even level. Between cleric, druid, and bard, I think cleric has the best 1st level benefits so cleric 1st, bard and druid in any order. At this point you're moving forward with non-spellcasting classes (note that warlock is non spellcasting in this sense due to not advancing the spellcasting table for other classes). Warlock can be a decent option if you raised your charisma up you can take eldritch blast but charisma should still be secondary to intelligence since you're going to be casting 4th level wizard spells. Which means likely you'll be trading higher damage for a lower chance to hit making it not as high of a priority. Rogue gives you specialization to 2 of your skills which is very nice. Fighter gives you +1 armor class which is amazing on a caster. Monk and barbarian offer very little. I think you kind of have to assess at this point of your playthrough whether there are any skills you have that you wish would be more consistently successes. If so go rogue, if not go fighter. Alternatively you can go warlock if you have a high charisma. Monk and barbarian should probably be last regardless. On a side note, if you do want to be a skill master in addition to being a spell master. You can choose the Gith race at the start to give yourself all wisdom proficiencies that you have to re-activate after every long rest. If you don't go rogue at 1st level you can pick up sleight of hand when you select ranger (this is at the cost of getting a permanent resistance to 1 energy type). When you select cleric you can choose the knowledge domain to add 2 int skills at expertise level. Note that at character creation do not take history, sleight of hand (unless you're a rogue then expertise it), any skills that use wisdom, and don't take more than 1 knowledge skill (arcana, nature, or religion). You should be able to finish the game proficient in every skill with expertise in 4 skills.

Almost forgot something important. If you do go rogue at 1st level and straight spell casting classes after that, paladin and ranger now need to be added on odd numbered levels. Also note that you can see that it's adding spell slots before you confirm the choice so if you're not seeing that then just be cautious. For the rogue route I would probably go: Rogue > Wizard > Ranger > Cleric > Paladin > Sorceror > Druid > Bard > Fighter > Warlock > Barbarian > Monk For the non-rogue route: Sorceror > Ranger > Wizard > Paladin > Cleric > Druid > Bard > Fighter > Rogue > Warlock > Barbarian > Monk

this is not how it works for me. Though, that doesn't necessarily contradict what you are saying because I havent updated my game since it was released (aka havent installed any patches)

Don't you have to start as wizard, for example I wanna be a sorcerer with wizard spells, would I not have to start as wizard to learn spells then become a sorcerer?

@@starsited529 technically you could start out as a sorcerer play until you get a bunch of scrolls, respec into wizard and learn all the spells you can and then switch your main class to be sorcerer

@@KiraNightV that's what I'm gonna do

@@starsited529 No, you could take your 1 level of Wizard at any time, and then you'd have the ability to learn Wizard spells up to the level that you have spell slots to cast (even if the higher level slots came from Sorc levels.) No respec required.

There's nothing quite the same as running around hitting things!

I wouldnt say the 1 lvl dip shafts non casters, considering there is so many extra ways to get advantage and GWM and Sharpshooters 10 extra dmg per hit is insane on any melee build

Thasnks! I just streamed whenever it was possible, I don't really expect many people will watch because of the spoilers.

I don't expect a lot of people to be watching the live feeds because I know everyone is playing it instead. I just stream when I have the opportunity because I want to play through the game once before making more detailed guides.

Thanks for the information - i noted too that gale with 10 wizard / 2 storm sorcerer could be great for meta magic and movement ; the question is when in an ongoing progession to multiclass ? (Or maybe doing straight wizard until level 9 and respect thereafter for a 7-2 and going onward ?)

Or put the 17 int headband on and only use spells that don't require high dc's..... like he said

@@ashdaniels2332 eh, that kinda defeats the purpose tough imho. You lose a character item slot and can basically onlt use buffs. Sure, haste and greater invisinility are THAT good,

I'd say a helmet slot and a single character level for access to all wizard spells is well worth it if you're happy to use this sort of thing.

@@CasualVeteranGamer Yeah, you're not wrong, specially if that single level is actually 12 so you don't hurt the spell progresion and slots of other pure caters. Will always cost a feat tough, sounds fair considering the advantage...

@Tentacl I mean even without the headband, thunderwave and cloud of daggers carry early game. And the purpose? I mean the purpose of the video was to show a niche interaction where you can learn wizard spells at spell slot level rather than wizard level sooo

I didn't realise that, thanks for posting it. In that case either a high intelligence is needed or the warped headband of intellect.

ohh I'll have to test that, planning on playing lore bard / diviner with Charisma primary@@CasualVeteranGamer

Honestly that's not terrible though because then you could simply have a high INT giving you more spell preparations and good saves/attack bonuses on the wizard spells without having to use the headband of intellect (also means getting up to a +4 or +5 INT mod), and you don't have to invest in CHA to have your sorcerer spells be good at that point. So kind of a win/win

it is a bug, but in combat work correctly. i tried and the dc is aplied according to the class

@@douglasfranca5588 ah okay so just a visual bug. Good to know.

Not sure of that... Spell Slots and character lvl are different things. If you would go eldrich knight for excample you would never get lvl 6 slots.

That does seem to be the reason this is possible. Pretty sure in 5e the spells and spell slots are dictated by the level in that class, not sum of levels, which keeps this from happening

Sure but if you can pick up some strong spells in those few slots then that would be Worth. Just imaginære being a cleric of tempest yet you lack some electric spells np wizard has you covered. Or say you would want counterspell but there is no mage in your party well there you go.

Not spell slots, but number of spells prepared, and that is a limit on this multiclassing combo. But wizards do get access to more ritual spells that can be swapped in and out, plus not many clerics get haste for example!

The 2nd and 6th level subclass abilities might still find a use on other builds, especially for Evocation and Divination.

dual weapon fighting on a sorc spellpower staff and legendary staff from sundaries, can get up to 4 chain lightnings in one turn using twin meta magic and arcane battery lol

every game is imbalanced for minmaxers. thats the whole reason devs never bothers to deal with box teleportation build in dos 2. they cant make a game around people looking for most "OP" builds vs giving most players the freedom to play whatever they like to play. and since its a single player game if u wanna abuse the most broken build and make combat boring.. its on you as a player.

@@MrVad3r ​it's just stupid when you can learn any spell as 1lvl wizard. As a minmaxer, I think this breaks the immersion for casual players who have taken the wizard multiclass and don't understand what's going on. Anyway, I don't blame anyone and don't consider it strong. I have fun throwing a piece of salami with higher damage and accuracy than any ranged character.

It only works for wizards, and I think it's because they can learn spells apart from just levelling up. All the other classes much reach a particular level before there's any way of preparing/learning spells.

Well… wizards spellbook even in 5e is the only thing they have on the other full casters so throw them a bone 🦴 😅

Yah, memorisation being gone is such a weird change.. I haven't played since mostly 2nd ed and some 3.5 but cleric and wizard had to memorize their spells.. then scorceror came out and its amazing because you don't have to choose exactly which spells you have. But now in BG3 what's the point of sorc since just everyone can cast wild ?!

Each casting class has a different spell list. There is some overlap. wizards have the largest list

Doing a sorceress wizard rn and tbh i stumbled onto this by accident starting doing research and found this video so yeah sorc an wiz combo is broken af cus you can split cast your wizard spells even your concentration spells

..but it does work in 5e, why wouldnt it? It wroked so well that wizard had to create a custom rule for exhaustion

It would be cool but I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually got taken away.

The problem is : yes it's cool, but it makes Wizards worthless... There is no reason to go full Wizards, and there is no reason to not dip one level in Wiz if you play a caster. So, Wizards isn't a class, it's a feat...

@@MrSvirGamevil I prefer cleric or Druid because of rp and now o hope they won’t change wizard I need more op cleric and Druid

No, Wizard is the exception. Taking 1 level of any other class only grants level 1 spells of that class. Your example of wearing plate armor and casting heals and wizard spells together is exactly what this does though. You just take 1 level of Wizard and up to 11 levels of Cleric and you're able to cast up to level 6 spells for both Cleric and Wizard while wearing heavy armor (assuming you take one of those Cleric domains). The only restriction is that they share the same spell slots, which are capped at 4 per spell level.

There is a heavy armor in game you can wear without proficiency and a weapon that bumps up you str to a high level, do you can very much do this. In a single player game this is fine because you can choose to build these op characters or not

Any spells you scribe into the wizard spellbook will use INT to cast them.

I made Gale a single class divination wizard! I don't know how I'll manage with it haha.

@@CasualVeteranGamer Awesome ^_^

Same here. Gale I kept as an evoker, but portent is so nice that I was tempted to have him be divination as well. It's pretty good being able to drop fireballs on my party without risk though.

Yes, if that's what you want! Just bear in mind you won't get the level 6 sorcerer spells, but then again you can still use metamagic on level 6 wizard spells.

you'll have to start cleric for the heavy armor tho, so be sure to do that first, then class into the others

@@CasualVeteranGamer just trying to picture this in my head. end build is wiz 1/sorc 11. you will be running high int? as in 20? not just using the headband? and when you cast the spells you learned from wizard scrolls (especially those spells above level 1) they will still be cast thru your intelligence mod?

Well if you're going to be a cleric/druid/bard/sorcerer anyway, all you're losing is a single ability score improvement (assuming you go for wizard 1/other class 11) and you gain access to all the wizard spells that there are scrolls for. I'd say the opportunity cost for that is well worth it as the magic initiate feat gives you two cantrips, and a single level spell that you can cast once per day. There's no competition! Also there are items that replenish spell slots and camp supplies are not exactly rare.

@@CasualVeteranGamer you're right about that one level in wizard is good all in all as an addition to a cleric build :D

well if you mix your wizard with the infamous coffeelock combo you could handle that in another way.

No, you can only learn spells higher than level 1 that you find from scrolls as when you take that first level in wizard you can only choose from level 1 spells as it treats you as a level 1 wizard.

@@CasualVeteranGamer I see, so at least that part still works like in 5e. I think you can still get Counterspell from something like the Staff of Interruption, but that only lets you cast it once per long rest. Good thing is you can at least get Shield and Find Familiar, since those are 1st level wizard spells. Now I'm starting to wonder if Bard 11 (College of Lore)/Wizard 1 would be a better option then (sacrificing number of spells in order to get access to better spells via Magical Secrets). Level 6 Magical Secrets could be used to learn Counterspell and something else (like Warden of Vitality), and level 10 Magical Secrets could be used for something like Death Ward and Spirit Guardians (or Mass Healing Word if you prefer to use your concentration on the wizard spells). Anyway, thanks for the reply!

Only wizards since they're the only ones that can scribe scrolls. If you read the comments even just here some say it's a bug and others say it's intended. Suffice to say, we don't really know without proper confirmation from Larian.

Yes, but Eldritch Knight counts as 1/3 caster level (rounding up). So Wizard 1/EK 4 gets level 3 spell slots.

haste is concentration, prob would break soon as u got hit. There are at least 2 bows that let you caste haste tho that you may find.

@@macsdf1 Just drink potions of speed

The mage hand should really be a proper familiar.

That's true, so you lose any wizard subclass features, but otherwise your wizard level doesn't matter as long as you have the spell slots available.

now i dont remember the specifics but the wizard ruling on writing spells into a book requires the spells to be of a wizard level you can cast which requires the wizard lvl so sorry but you have it missunderstood

@@ModrunOfficial actually it’s based of spell level you can prepare, not spell level. A wizard 1/ cleric 19 can prepare spells at level 9, they can also use scrolls of higher level, but you need to make a arcane check, something that is missing in the game. Each their own, but as written, it’s spells prepared not wizard level.

@@W0lfp4wz Page 164 of player's handbook says: You determine what spells you know and can prepare for each class individually, as if you were a single-classed member of that class.

The errata for the PHB states: "When you find a wizard spell of 1st level or higher, you can add it to your spellbook if it is of a spell level you can prepare and if you can spare the time to decipher and copy it". Level 1 wizards cannot prepare spells of second level, so they cannot copy spells of second level. This sentence replaces the one that says a wizard can scribe a spell if you have the spellslot for that level. For multiclassing your spells known are determined individually per class as per the rules. So as a level 1 wizard you would only be able to prepare level 1 spells i.e. you follow the wizard table. The following are taken from the rules: Spells Known and Prepared: You determine what Spells you know and can prepare for each class individually, as if you were a single-classed member of that class. For example, if you are the aforementioned ranger 4/wizard 3, you count as a 5th-level character when determining your spell slots: you have four 1st-level slots, three 2nd-level slots, and two 3rd-level slots. However, you don't know any 3rd- level spells, nor do you know any 2nd-level ranger spells. You can use the spell slots of those levels to cast the spells you do know - and potentially enhance their effects. www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/m3yzqe/multiclass_wizard_and_copying_spells_into_the/ www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/4xaxnf/1_level_wizard_dip/ www.dndbeyond.com/forums/class-forums/wizard/112155-multiclass-wizard-with-another-full-caster www.sageadvice.eu/can-multiclass-druid-19-wizard-1-scribe-9th-level-wizard-spells-into-their-spellbook/ forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?520252-Can-a-multiclass-Wizard-scribe-ALL-Wizard-spells

@@CasualVeteranGamer thanks, didn't know about errata

i was thinking this lol. it makes so much sense for spellcasters besides maybe a warlock or cleric to be able to learn spells from scrolls

I guess so!

Spider companion is web at will, that is absolutely incredibly amazing

Web (aoe) from spider also works well combined with archery or just setting the webs on fire with a fire bolt to create burning ground

@@Beetlejuice2959 I wouldn't ever want my webs burning generally, but later on if you're seeing nothing at all losing the dc on the web? Sure, does still have a use there too

downside is u cant cast more spells coz u are missing out on restore spell i guess which u need high level of wizard.

But you get the spell list of a whole new class added to that! You can get all the cleric spells AND wizards spells now on a single character.

@@MrVad3r Arcane recovery is achieved at wizard level 1, I think

only 1 spell from it. @@Tiaopigui but its upto players on how much they need it to get 3 spell recovery at 5

I didn't check specifically with warlocks, but warlocks do generally use a different type of spell slot, so it might not work as well as it does with other classes.

@@CasualVeteranGamer yeah I suspect that too, would you maybe be interested in trying out the interaction? (And reporting the results)

in fact a good way to tell which of your spells are learnt by scroll is to powersave and respec into fighter real quick. look, I'm a programmer. No programmer would let you use his program like I'm using bg3 rn intentionally. If he was aware that this is a thing he will either commit it anyway because his boss tells him to or implement a way to do this directly, and not with hacks to know what spells have you learnt from scroll, so you can respec into wizard learning those so you can learn the others (because you don't know them yet) and then respec again into sorcerer and make sure you don't learn those that you actually already do know. Its too artificial to be intentional.

oh nevermind learnt spells don't show unless you are a wizard. Still too many artifacts to get this done propperly though. In fact getting the list of spells you know by scroll is even trickier now

spells you know from scroll: those that appear once if you havn't learnt them from lvl up and twice if you have Intentional my ass

oh would you look at that, I cant complete leveling up because I want to get 2 levels into wizard, for the subclass bonus, but I can't because I don't have enough spells left to learn Does that mean if I respect a couple of times as a full level wizard just to learn by scroll all the spells there are I will never, ever be able to respec as a wizard again, because the game won't let me learn a spell I know from scroll and I will not be able to force the level up? intentional lol

Like I literally blocked my character from leveling up because I'm abusing this. I can't get to wizard level 2. "!choces pending" wont let me.

I'm thinking about trying this... how's it going?

@TheSpiritualCrisis It has worked well so far. Gale is a lot less squishy. Plus, he can wear some of the fun medium armor now. I just finished act 2 and it was really helpful.

​@@ciaralizabeththanks for the update, I'll have to try it