Why Wout van Aert should LEAVE Jumbo Visma

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True Sports Lore

11 ай бұрын

Wout van Aert is one of the most talented riders of all time, he's up there with Jonas Vingegaard and Tadej Pogacar in the Tour de France 2023 - But is his talent being wasted? He gets to race for his own chance at Jumbo Visma, but he's often tired or has no support in the Tour de France. In this video we look at the options that Wout van Aert has at his disposal to achieve the most highlights success in his cycling career.
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@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 11 ай бұрын
We're working on some of our BIGGEST videos ever on Wout van Aert, MvDP & Geraint Thomas so in the meanwhile we'll release a few pieces like this. Let us know your thoughts!
@bodhisatwaghosh
@bodhisatwaghosh 11 ай бұрын
You are not getting it. Sorry to say. You make a video why Jonas wins. And after 2 strong stages from Pogacar you make another why He will win. So your analysis is a pure crap. Sorry to say. Seems like you make videos based on the wind rather than proper analysis.
@taitai67
@taitai67 11 ай бұрын
@@bodhisatwaghosh You hit the nail on the head. This channel is just another dickriding channel, whoever wins on the day is the greatest. There's no deep analysis, it's more catering to the fanbase of every rider and so he pushes a video on everyone. Add a little shit stirring and put the biggest names on the vid title, voila easy views.
@nuwanhewabethmage7380
@nuwanhewabethmage7380 10 ай бұрын
I am sorry bro but your shit. WVA is doing great in Jumbo Visma
@rorylawson8037
@rorylawson8037 11 ай бұрын
Wout and Jonas are good friends. The reason he didn’t drop off the front is because Jonas had 6 other riders to help him, and they said to Wout to go for the stage win. It’s just the media trying to stir up drama.
@Endonix
@Endonix 11 ай бұрын
Personally i think WvA is at the best team for him to get what he wants, he has never stated that he wants to be a GC rider in big tours, he does however want to win the classics and wants to become WC next month. Also Jonas and van Aert seem to be cool with eachother from every screen footage you see. Jonas even went to van Aert today at his house in Belgium to personally congratulate him with the birth of his son. Looking at all the teams and how they are set up for next year and coming years i dont know which team he could join that already has a leader and has a great organization that can put him in the position for GC. Mentioning he only has one leadout is the issue? One lead out is all you need 🤨 I conclude this video is mostly clickbait and speculation based on no evidence or proof (the netflix docu isnt proof)
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 11 ай бұрын
We're sad to hear you think this video is clickbait, it's objective fan based analysis looking at the available proof from both racing and articles on hand. We understand it's a controversial subject but we don't want to alienate fans. It's an opinion piece and hopefully will be treated as such. Wout can stay at Jumbo and be successful and he can leave Jumbo and be successful, either way he's good.
@Endonix
@Endonix 11 ай бұрын
@@TrueSportsLore what proof are you referring to? Because i have seen none in your video. Not even a year ago he extended his contract till 2026 so why would he change his mind now, he has also recognized that the competition has become harder the last 2 years so ofc hes not gonna run away with as many wins as he has. Also saying that he has a history with breaking contracts after he broke one contract is a bit much, having history mostly referred to doing something multiple times. That he would leave the tour if his wife went into labour is a no brainer and something they have known for months, the rest of the teams just didnt 😂, i have never seen an atlete that missed the birth of their kid because they choose the sport over their private life. I dont want to call your videos clickbait, i like your videos and ive been checking them out the last 3 weeks (sorry haven’t subscribed 😮) but when it feel its clickbait i will call it clickbait.
@gulfgal98
@gulfgal98 11 ай бұрын
I completely agree with your assessment. There is an awful lot of speculation in this video. Let's look at a few facts. Wout Van Aert is the highest paid rider on the Jumbo Visma team. One of the reasons many cyclists want to rider for Jumbo Visma is the quality of their equipment and their use of technology. Also it would be difficult to find a team that has the quality of management that Jumbo Visma has. I do not see how going to Soudal Quik Step would be a step up. Plus Soudal Quik Step has a major investment in Remco Evenepoel.
@ginobarrera8660
@ginobarrera8660 11 ай бұрын
Wva does not care about the green jersey
@finnwarner4036
@finnwarner4036 11 ай бұрын
@@gulfgal98 yes, not mention it can be argued that Remco is a better rider than Wout meaning there is no way Wout would ever have sole leadership in a Grand Tour that Remco rides. Quickstep would also not let Wout to a Grand Tour without Remco as it would be a waste to not have them together. All teams want to win the classification more than anything and Wout has proven he can help more than anyone except maybe Sepp Kuss in winning a GC at a Grand Tour.
@bosshogg7513
@bosshogg7513 11 ай бұрын
When the whole team works for you in the spring classics, you sometimes have to pay the team back, even if your name is Wout van Aert. Look at MvdP totally riding for Philipsen this TdF instead of for his own chances. Kwiatkowski could have won 10 TdF stages if he hadn't be a domestique for Froome/Thomas all these years. Don't forget WvA already won 9 stages in the Tour de France, one of them a TT last year that was literally gifted to him by Vingegaard. Plus the Green Jersey. You can't expect him to win 3 stages every Tour.
@jabrielramos19
@jabrielramos19 11 ай бұрын
you're right.
@MrDado937
@MrDado937 11 ай бұрын
He made Vingegaard win last Tour, worked for him the whole of this Tour so because of two episodes you can't say he doesn't work for Vingegaard, sorry
@markuskristensen4934
@markuskristensen4934 11 ай бұрын
⁠@@MrDado937he didn’t’ really say that, did he? Just that vingegaard paid him back by giving The TT…
@MrDado937
@MrDado937 11 ай бұрын
@@markuskristensen4934 he provided the example of vdp and kiatkowski being domestiques as if WA didn't
@bosshogg7513
@bosshogg7513 11 ай бұрын
@@MrDado937 In reality, that is what WvA is in the Tour de France: a domestique. A very luxury one that is. Thing with him and MvdP is that the fans in Belgium and Netherlands want THEM to win stages, not effacing themselves by working for a 'boring' Dane or sprinter. However, I think for both of them it's far less of an issue than for the fans and they're very happy at Jumbo and Alpecin respectively. A multi million salary also does help a lot.
@wesleyturner1979
@wesleyturner1979 11 ай бұрын
This video makes the assumption that the only races that count are the 21 TDF stages each year. In 22 Wout did far better at the tour last year. I think Wout and Jumbo knew Wout was going to leave for his son this year so Wout concentrated on helping Jonas win as Wout was not going to finish in Paris. Next year will be a different story.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 11 ай бұрын
It's definitely not the only races that count but they do count for a lot in the world of cycling
@wesleyturner1979
@wesleyturner1979 11 ай бұрын
@@TrueSportsLore It’s a shame so much focus is placed on just one tour when there are 3 of them and may classics racing. Wout is better suited for the classics anyway.
@gulfgal98
@gulfgal98 11 ай бұрын
@@TrueSportsLore For many Europeans, the classics count an awful lot. If only the grand tours were important, why would Wout spend so much time racing cyclo-cross? Wout will never be a GC guy in a grand tour without having to sacrifice cyclo-cross and the classics. Jumbo Visma has built a great classics team. To be a GC guy Wout would have to remake his body and I believe he has nixed that idea in the past.
@BMCS97
@BMCS97 11 ай бұрын
@@gulfgal98 The thing is that he's not only not winning TDF stages, he's also not winning the classics he most wants as well. I think there's definetily an argument to be made that there are other teams that would suit him better. In my opinion, Soudal Quickstep is by far the best option for him. Having said this, I think Jumbo is also a really god team for him, and I don't agree that he would be better off at a lesser team where he would be the leader. But Soudal Quickstep... I think that would be the perfect team for him
@Infiltator2
@Infiltator2 11 ай бұрын
@@BMCS97he also wouldn’t be a leader there
@brunoxd151
@brunoxd151 11 ай бұрын
If Wout became a GT rider, he would lose everything that makes him special as a rider. He would go from being the only guy that is good at everything to only being very good at climbs, and we don't even know if he would be the best climber, because there are monsters like Vingegaard and Pogacar out there.
@alexanderishere1857
@alexanderishere1857 11 ай бұрын
Look at the picture of Vingegaard and Wout together in this video.... Wout is like twoce the size. There is a reason why Vingegaard is far better in the mountains, and this is impossible to do anything about. Wout will never win TdF and he knows that.
@brunoxd151
@brunoxd151 11 ай бұрын
@@alexanderishere1857 That's what i said. He would have to lose a lot of weight and become a pure climber, and he still would not be able to compete against Vingegaard and Pogacar, so it's totally not worth it.
@gulfgal98
@gulfgal98 11 ай бұрын
Exactly! Wout would have to remake his body by losing a ton of weight and there would be no guarantee he would be able to outclimb a natural climber like Vingegaard. Also by losing the weight, Wout would no longer be competitive in cyclo-cross and the classics, both of which he is perfectly suited to.
@rasicaphoto6450
@rasicaphoto6450 11 ай бұрын
It makes more sense for Primoz Roglic to leave Jumbo.
@johnnycab8986
@johnnycab8986 11 ай бұрын
Would love to see Roglic on Ineos.
@paulsolon6229
@paulsolon6229 10 ай бұрын
Sagan had teams built around him. So too boonen Wva deserves team built around him. He’s that good
@user-vm5qf4qk4t
@user-vm5qf4qk4t 9 ай бұрын
​@@paulsolon6229WVA deserve what he has, and believe me he isn't that good! I don't understand the hype around him - he hasn't winning nothing big, always come second, on the other hand Remco Evenepoel is the big deal. He is 23y.o and his achievements are bigger than WVA's.
@paulsolon6229
@paulsolon6229 9 ай бұрын
@@user-vm5qf4qk4t in a way your comment is rt. But mostly no, the comment is off
@paulsolon6229
@paulsolon6229 Ай бұрын
@@user-vm5qf4qk4t we disagree
@johnpyle2
@johnpyle2 11 ай бұрын
He’s in the top 10 paid cyclist making over 2-3 million a year. Why would he leave. He stated “I don’t need to convince you that I was more interested, but I have never personally interacted with any other team. It has always been my goal to extend my contract here. It was best for me to stay. I am glad that it has been completed and I am relieved to be able to speak my mind.” The media made up the tension between him and the rest of the guys on the team.
@rasmuslampposselt3564
@rasmuslampposselt3564 11 ай бұрын
WvA as GT contender? I doubt that... he is too big. But he IS one hell of a rider.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 11 ай бұрын
He reminds of Geraint Thomas, if you compare the Cyclocross and Track backgrounds. Once G lost some of the track fat he was flying up hill, if Wout wanted to (big if) he could do the same.
@alexanderishere1857
@alexanderishere1857 11 ай бұрын
@@TrueSportsLore Not a chance. Look at the picture of Wout and Vingegaard together. Jonas is naturally so much lighter, and even if Wout starved himself even more, he would still be much heavier. There is nothing he can do to be good enough in the mountains.
@fireball1462
@fireball1462 11 ай бұрын
@@alexanderishere1857 very true
@brunoaramburu740
@brunoaramburu740 11 ай бұрын
only rider in history as tall as WvA to win the TdF yellow jersey was Bradley Wiggins (exactly 1.90 m, just as WvA), followed by Schleck, Indurain and Froome (1.86); quite unlikely WvA could ever aim to contest as a GC rider, specially during the Vingegaard-Pogacar era.
@alexanderishere1857
@alexanderishere1857 11 ай бұрын
@@brunoaramburu740 I really think extreme supplementary measures are needed for someone big like Wiggins, Indurain etc to win TdF. So I don't see Wout coming anywhere near to win TdF or any of the other tours
@cedricfreivogel3882
@cedricfreivogel3882 11 ай бұрын
Dude made really a whole video about a Netflix documentary. WvA stated multiple times that they portrayed him in a very wrong way. Always this half-baked, misinformed videos, too bad the knowledge of the channel is questionable.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 11 ай бұрын
It's not only based on the Netflix documentary, which other bits of our analysis do you disagree with?
@williamcole-french4464
@williamcole-french4464 11 ай бұрын
Netflix documentaries are made to stir the pot, they dramatized happenings in the TDF documentary as they do with any documentary they make. I would take things like that with a grain of salt. For instance they show Wout getting told to stop pursuing his own goals, but don’t show any of Jonas and Wout exchanges after Wout helps Jonas. They definitely have footage from both.
@martinjs7605
@martinjs7605 11 ай бұрын
No need to be so rude. It’s an analysis, not a gossip. Though arguably the title is a bit clickbaity. Maybe you can just say why the analysis in the video is flawed instead..
@yotamrec451
@yotamrec451 11 ай бұрын
Saying wout can easily win every sprint is a joke, and talking about him not having a team backing him, look at the classics, he had all the help he could get but couldn't win a single monument, Aldo saying that he will move to quick step and quoting some one that says he will help remco at the tour while claiming he wants to be the sole leader is the stupidest and funniest claims I heard revolving around cycling
@flyingberserker3965
@flyingberserker3965 10 ай бұрын
Van aert in a quick step focus on classics he would win most of spring classics and so many stages . The problem of jumbo is a very good team but gc oriented, that cripples van aert objectives
@albertocontador1381
@albertocontador1381 11 ай бұрын
Quickstep was really bad this springseason. His support at jumbo is much better. At the tour he will have the same problem as now, because evenepoel will be the leader he has to support.
@octaviakf
@octaviakf 11 ай бұрын
For 6M WVA isn’t leaving I don’t think he has any issues with Jonas as evidence with him visiting them in the hospital after the tour and blessing his newest child with a yellow jersey. Nothings wrong with their relationship trust me
@scottsefton294
@scottsefton294 11 ай бұрын
No way Wout rides with Remco. I think Jumbo (probably NEOM in the future) bring in an elite lead out rider to bring him to the line at TDF sprint stages. He should target the world road race championship every year.
@fireball1462
@fireball1462 11 ай бұрын
yeah theres alright animosity between the two
@Moaky104
@Moaky104 11 ай бұрын
Interesting vid. But why would WVA go to QS to ride for Evenepoel? Makes no sense. And besides that, he gets plenty of opportunities to go for his own succes at JV, just like last years TDF. In one day races, like RVV, Paris-Roubaix etc etc he gets a whole team that rides for him.
@AP-eq7sh
@AP-eq7sh 11 ай бұрын
what about sepp kuss that man could probably win one of the other grand tours with a team around him. racing the giro and the tour like he did is mental.
@josepsantcristofol295
@josepsantcristofol295 11 ай бұрын
Kuss himself says that he's not sure of how good of a leader he would be. He says that he needs some "rest" days in the GT and that he's not the best at handeling the pressure of being a leader and having to perform every day. Though I'd like to see him try at some point. He at least deserves to be captain in 1 week races.
@stijncdevos
@stijncdevos 11 ай бұрын
@@josepsantcristofol295 I believe he said after the tour that he would like to try and be the leader for once. But not as the vocal point of the team neccesarily, he mentioned he would like to go to a grand tour with Olav Kooi and a sprint lead out so that he could just sit back and do his thing silently.
@toddo2006
@toddo2006 11 ай бұрын
I need GC Kuss some day in the future please!!
@NIcklasNielsen7490
@NIcklasNielsen7490 11 ай бұрын
@@stijncdevos I think Roglic is leaving at some point, which could open the way for a sprinting setup in the Giro with Kuss riding for himself. Jonas can't do 3 grand tours at the same time and while there are some very exciting GT talents out there, they are either already on expensive contracts or they are very raw. Either way Kuss could win a GT himself simply because of his climbing skills. He would have to get a bit lucky though as he has off days and not exactly a WC TT if it is flat.
@julianpaulaseneta6104
@julianpaulaseneta6104 11 ай бұрын
lol lots of baseless statements made in this video just to fuel more issues within the team. This year wout has really no incentive to go all out given his wife is about to give birth. As a father you wouldnt risk your life for more daring attempts to win especially in sprints. Wout is at the best team there is currently. He never had any GC aspirations. His team knows how to work for him, and he also knows how to work for them
@krishendrix4924
@krishendrix4924 11 ай бұрын
this is very interesting, and yes, it's true, he might have had more success in this Tour if he had been in another team. However, the counterargument is 2022. Same situation, and Wout won everything he could. Finally, the question of where he would go. It's very flawed logic to suggest he'd join Quickstep. That team is being build around Remco for GC, so it would be the exact situation as with Jumbo. Same thing goes for Ineos and other teams going for GC. But there are plenty of other teams such as Bahrain, Israel PT, DSM. Even the smaller Lotto would be a great team, as they're struggling to win stages.
@fedearbelaez4912
@fedearbelaez4912 11 ай бұрын
Seeing him optimize his potential for GC and give the current favorites a run for their money riding for a team like Ineos would be fun.
@roldictator
@roldictator 11 ай бұрын
WvA is a beast on a bicycle but I doubt he will transfer. Maybe next time Jumbo will give him a better opportunity in other future races.
@geuros
@geuros 11 ай бұрын
Chill, Wout and Jonas are good friends, there's no drama in the team. However disappointed might Wout be for coming so close but not getting the stage victories, he's incredible professional and puts it past really quickly. This year's Tour was the best example of that, the Herculean tasks he did for Jonas were incredible, just think of the Tourmalet stage. He's in the best team there currently is and he knows it. Besides, some stage victories at Tour are nice of course, but he'd rather have none of those and win Flanders and Roubaix for which he's always among the top contenders.
@Pomi3001
@Pomi3001 11 ай бұрын
Many new cycling fans believe Tour de France equals cycling. Well it does not, certainly not for riders like Wout Van Aert or Tadej Pogačar, who lead Vingegaard considerably in UCI rankings. There is a whole other side to cycling besides tour de France and the other two 3 week 'soap operas'. There are classics, monuments, championships and shorter tours, some of which are cherished in the world of cycling equally or even more than TdF.
@martinjs7605
@martinjs7605 11 ай бұрын
His problem is the limited amount of team that could both afford his salary AND afford his ambition. SoudalQS is actually a worse alternative, because why would being a domestique to Remco be better than being one to Jonas? I find it ludicrous that Remco is ‘afraid’ to compete in TdF. Remco will eventually have to compete in TdF, and when that times come Wout will have to pull for Remco in a team that, for a hot minute now, hasn’t had a real shot on Yellow Jersey until Remco; sounds worse to me. As for his performance this year, I’m not sure if it’s bcos Wout truly did not have the adequate support to win stages from Jumbo. Did he last year? I really do not see the difference other than.. maybe Wout was just not at his level from last year. Jumbo could never stop Wout winning stages even if they want to. Jumbo knows that, and Wout too. And as for leaving for team that can afford his ambition BUT not his salary… lol, he is only human like us. It rarely happens in our daily life, and much less in professional sports. Plus, he gets the benefit of Jumbo’s larger media exposure (and relationships) than any other team in the world now, and that’s a perk a superstar cyclist could never discount…. He needs sponsors and his sponsors needs exposure. Ineos is probably a better option, as it is unclear whether or not they will truly have a sustainable GC contender, esp for TdF. Rodriguez showed promises, but we will see. If Ineos is still trying to find one, that would be a good temporary moment for Wout to jump in. Large team with big budget and no clear superstar GC contender to focus on.
@janinecarlos1718
@janinecarlos1718 11 ай бұрын
I think you are right in your analysis. I think he stays for all the reasons you mentioned but I'd love for him to be on a team that tried to win as many races as they could for him. He could truly be one of the greats.
@brunoxd151
@brunoxd151 11 ай бұрын
@@janinecarlos1718 But Jumbo Visma already does that for him. He's not the captain in grand tours, but there are many important races throughout the year where he's the captain and the team works for him.
@alexanderishere1857
@alexanderishere1857 11 ай бұрын
I think it makes sense for Wout to stay because Jumbo is a huge team and will support him in many races, but he will have toi understand that in the TdF and perhaps one of the other Grand Tours he will NOT play first fiddle. IF he cannot understand that, then he needs to go. But if he is fine with that, then he should stay because he can hardly wish for better backing in many classics etc throughout the year.
@holmbjerg
@holmbjerg 11 ай бұрын
Where would he go to be supported better? Especially in the races that suits him the best? Nowhere will he find better teammates, who are able to support him in the races he excels in.
@toddo2006
@toddo2006 11 ай бұрын
Seems like the research only considered 3 weeks of the year and not a majority of the season where JV rides solely to support WvA!
@Bodhi-the-Great
@Bodhi-the-Great 11 ай бұрын
Well, Wout was offered to the Lotto team, even before Veranda Willems but they didn't want him. I think he's happy where he is now, and Jonas is a good friend of his so> soudal would want him but they have to keep Remco first, after his contract he will go to Ineos.
@MainUkraine
@MainUkraine 11 ай бұрын
I was saying Wout needs to race for the yellow but everyone is saying he's too heavy. No shit rn but he can lose weight and keep most of that power and ride at 150lbs for GC easily.
@holmbjerg
@holmbjerg 11 ай бұрын
Skjelmose didn't start the rumour. It had been going around for several weeks and had even been reported in some media, before he mentioned it off the cuff.
@swepunk
@swepunk 11 ай бұрын
Well.. Wout is not a GC rider.. He guy is a monster, he can do anything but the thing he isnt is a GC rider.
@gandalf6700
@gandalf6700 11 ай бұрын
0:45 Jonas have commented that he told Wout to go in that situation since Jonas couldnt keep up and had a ineos rider on him
@BrockMak
@BrockMak 11 ай бұрын
7:15 It's a bit like Buyout in NBA, only trouble is that the athletes themselves pay the Buyout fee, not the team. However: The athletes still become free agents of the buyouts are successful.
@TheChiefEng
@TheChiefEng 11 ай бұрын
At the end of the day, the only thing that matters in TdF is to win the GC. Individual stages are not as important in that picture. TdF is a team effort to win the overall GC, meaning the yellow jersey. It is impossible to keep everybody happy.
@johnnycab8986
@johnnycab8986 11 ай бұрын
Bora Hansgrohe would be a good fit for WvA. They focus on classics and the tour while not having GC aspirations so hyper focused like with Jumbo and UAE, which seems to fit what he is interested in. Doubt they have the money to buy out his contract though.
@vetertee
@vetertee 9 ай бұрын
I think they still have the trauma of signing Sagan for a massive amount who immediately stopped winning
@diggsfather
@diggsfather 8 ай бұрын
@@vetertee sagan won world champs, paris-roubaix, and 3 TDF green jerseys with bora. that signing paid off huge for them
@fireball1462
@fireball1462 11 ай бұрын
why quickstep? Remco is obviosly the leader of the team, not sure why you think other wise as he is young and really good. I think he would be in a similar position as he is now because of how up and coming remco is. Anothing thing is Remco loves to win and isnt the nicest, they already have tention because of fights on the belgian national team a few years ago and I just cannot agree with you on quickstep being a good team for him
@alancristian3201
@alancristian3201 11 ай бұрын
Duo to their success, Jumbo now has a good, but hard, problem to deal. How to fit the goals and ambitious of three true champions (Roglic, Vingegaard and Van Aert), that could easily be captains in most of other times.
@fireball1462
@fireball1462 11 ай бұрын
Honestly Sepp could be the leader of maybe a smaller and weaker team. When he sets the tempo, only 2 riders are able to hold his wheel, 1st place and second.
@denverrtzz09
@denverrtzz09 11 ай бұрын
when wout didn't win any stage at the Tour everyone lost their minds.
@forza1860muc
@forza1860muc 11 ай бұрын
WVA is not the only rider wearing a Red Bull helmet. Anton Palzer from Bora-Hansgrohe also wears one.
@TommyMoreels77
@TommyMoreels77 9 ай бұрын
My good friend Wesley Theunis is the personal masseur from Wout and there's nothing between him and Jonas. Same say's Raoul Saren, my former masseur. Who works also at Jumbo Visma and probably will move next year when Roglic changes team. Media always makes stories up. The worst ever is this Vuelta with Remco... Incredible why they need to look for hate and fights. Just enjoy the sports as these times are unique in cycling. Like the 70s there are great battles on the bike between really talented cyclists, like Matthieu, Poggi and others. That's once in a lifetime you can witness these natural talents.
@BrockMak
@BrockMak 11 ай бұрын
Apparently: Vinegaard and Roglic already confirmed they will be in La Vuelta. With the child being born not long after Van Aert's withdrawal, it's a bit pointless to anticipate him joining them in Spain as well.
@dreamboy1545
@dreamboy1545 10 ай бұрын
Wout can definitely become a GC contender. He can climb, he can sprint and he can break away too. What he really does need is a team the will support him as their leader, but seeing his friendship with Jonas, it's more probably like he's happy to just be a domestique for Jonas. If wout also say he wants to be a gc contender, then jumbo visma should be the one to make a move. Make both Jonas and Wout a leader, but they would need even stronger domestics for that because there will be no more wout to shelter Jonas as both of them will be the one who needs to be sheltered.
@miahj6621
@miahj6621 11 ай бұрын
Maximum chaos and he signs w/ UAE and pulls for Pogacar.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 11 ай бұрын
Hahaha now that would make for a good season of Unchained
@martinweilguny720
@martinweilguny720 11 ай бұрын
I have watched some of your other videos, which were great. However you loses some credibility with this one. There are no tensions between the jumbo visma team mates. Netflix manipulated the behind the scenes to make it seem that way. Both WvA and Vingegaard confirmed this and were quite unhappy with how they were portrayed.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 11 ай бұрын
We're sorry to hear that and we don't want to upset anyone, which is why we started the video with the disclaimer. This is a video we've done based on the evidence available at hand, which factors both in Netflix's footage and Van Aerts quotes. At the moment it's all speculation and should be treated as such, but we also want to share the possibilities that are very much real for Wout. Hope you'll continue to watch our future content :)
@martinweilguny720
@martinweilguny720 11 ай бұрын
@@TrueSportsLore yes i understand that, just wanted to put that out there. Otherwise great video and i agree that it potientially could be exciting to see WvA at another team also. Thanks for the reply and engagement, you’ve earned a sub from me :)
@mojo2679
@mojo2679 11 ай бұрын
Yes it'll be interesting to see whether they've collaborated with the second series filmed at the latest Tour. And if they did whether it'll be spun as much as the previous one. I honestly think mixing netflix and the Tour is a bad thing.
@xx765
@xx765 9 ай бұрын
Interesting time to revisit this topic: if Jumbo could just let Sepp have the Vuelta given the right circumstances, surely they would support Wout for whatever his ambitions are too. The key is 'under a right circumstances'. Surely for any team there needs to be priorities. For Jumbo in the TDF, it is clearly GC over stage wins. It's not really Jonas' priority vs Wout's priority. Surely Wout could go to a team that has no other priorities so his priority always gets served. There happens to be this example of MVDP's. It's as good an example as examples go. Not many would consider MVDP's situation significantly better than Wout's. But end of the day it's Wout's personal choice if he wants to be part of Jumbo's big picture or not.
@gregcook1860
@gregcook1860 10 ай бұрын
Wout is currently on the best team on the pro peleton. They allow him to chase his own goals so there is no gain to leaving. He’s a classics rider, not a GC contender. Although a good climber, he lacks the climbing prowess to ride with the GC leaders in the high mountains. That’s why he gets on the break. As the GC catches up to him on big climbs, he can then assist his teams GC rider. If he left JV t be GC contender on another team, GC riders would chase him, and pull him back. He wouldn’t be allowed to get on the break. His days of winning stages on tours would be over.
@danshort10
@danshort10 11 ай бұрын
Wow…so a couple things…WVA would never be a real GC contender he is too big and heavy. Also MVDP is not much more than a lead out man in longer stages races. We also saw this spring that MVDP has a better sprint, so he doesn’t even compare to the other elite sprinters when he isn’t as fast as their lead out men. He said before the tour that he wasn’t interested in the green jersey this year and it showed in his tactics. Sure he could go to some other team and be a stage hunter at the tour, but I’m not sure he would trade everything he has going at jumbo a few stages with a worse team.
@majincroix
@majincroix 11 ай бұрын
the way he rides ive thought he could be a real gc contender and would love to see it
@fireball1462
@fireball1462 11 ай бұрын
hell no. Way to heavy. Pogacar would smoke him up a steap 7-10% climb. In no world is wout capable of being a GC rider at all
@majincroix
@majincroix 11 ай бұрын
@@fireball1462 i think your right but the effort he shows going up climbs and the amount of time hes in front is crazy. feels like if he had a team to pull him he could explode with crazy moves. i admit he does look alot heavier then most gc's
@tannerslomko
@tannerslomko 11 ай бұрын
Roglic and Wout going to Ineos would be nuts
@elviracatherinetalaoc2070
@elviracatherinetalaoc2070 11 ай бұрын
Roglic, is the one that needs to leave Jumbo Visma. I hate to say this but Jonas is the man now. If Roglic wants to win TDF he needs to do it on a different team. Ineos is the best fit for him.
@christopheralix8554
@christopheralix8554 11 ай бұрын
Primoz to Ineos and WVA to quickstep. Where does that leave jumbo
@amitnegi2913
@amitnegi2913 11 ай бұрын
I want Roglic to leave Jumbo though. I want to see him in the Tour de France which won't happen now after Jonas winning it twice
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 11 ай бұрын
Have you seen our video on him? We talk about where he could move to next year
@amitnegi2913
@amitnegi2913 11 ай бұрын
@@TrueSportsLore I'll watch that
@TheRevolutionaryMan4614
@TheRevolutionaryMan4614 11 ай бұрын
WRONG! Jonas is joining Roglic at the Vuelta meaning if either of them wins, preferably Primoz Roglic, both will be up for the Tour de France next year.
@amitnegi2913
@amitnegi2913 11 ай бұрын
@@TheRevolutionaryMan4614 Even if that happens, Roglic will be the secondary leader there
@paulwebster4499
@paulwebster4499 11 ай бұрын
Agree quick stpwould ride for him in the classics and for green at the tour
@Driver8takeabreak
@Driver8takeabreak 11 ай бұрын
I'm not so sure Wout would have beaten Philipsen much this Tour, even with more of a team effort for him.
@Sjoerd_koen
@Sjoerd_koen 11 ай бұрын
If he wants to go for GC, which he doesnt, he will lose his explosive power, which will mean that he wont be able to sprint and timetrail anymore that he loves. Ones he goes there is no turning back. So thats why he probs will never take that step to becoming a GC contender and there wont be no reason to leave jumbo
@Sjoerd_koen
@Sjoerd_koen 11 ай бұрын
And wont be able to do the classics as well, which he also loves
@flixcrane1022
@flixcrane1022 11 ай бұрын
I dont think so. Pogi is going for Classic, GC and TT too. Why should Wout Not be able to Domspatzen as well?
@Sjoerd_koen
@Sjoerd_koen 11 ай бұрын
@@flixcrane1022 because pogacar is a generational talent who is a beast in everything. No guarantees that van aert will have that as well
@dichaelovic
@dichaelovic 11 ай бұрын
This is such dumb analysis... van aert is not going to win the GC against Tadej and Jonas. He is on a dream team at Jumbo where he can go for green and stage wins. There is no point in competing for GC for him on another team.
@OakleafOrganic
@OakleafOrganic 10 ай бұрын
A move to UAE likely offers WVA the most opportunity for wins, the most comparable salary, and the least loss of exposure.
@annamarticio4191
@annamarticio4191 11 ай бұрын
Bro really tried to create a beef based on a spliced clip and a bad day on a race just to prove a point
@keynen6
@keynen6 11 ай бұрын
He deserves a shot at the yellow jersey…
@ruialexandre4279
@ruialexandre4279 10 ай бұрын
Really well made video. Nice expenations but where is the evidence? Bad relations on the tem. Where is the evidence?
@markdwelchforcongress4456
@markdwelchforcongress4456 10 ай бұрын
Remco to Ineos and WVA to Quikstep (plus they have to bolster their roster of Classics domestiques.
@maddexq9107
@maddexq9107 11 ай бұрын
WVA to Quickstep? That’s ridiculous. WVA and Remco don’t get along and would fight over team leadership. LeFevre loves Remco and has put a lot into making him a success. Introducing WVA into that would upset Lefevre’s carefully crafted investment in Remco.
@nick1368
@nick1368 11 ай бұрын
At those other teams he would also have to work as a domestique. (Evenepoel, Pogacar, Rodriguez). This video is just stupid
@Rubenvw2002_
@Rubenvw2002_ 11 ай бұрын
if he leaves for UAE, he rides for pogi in the classics and in the tour, if he leaves for quick step he rides for him self in the classics and for evenepoel in the grand tours, if he leaves for ineos he can go for himself in the classics and ride for someone in the grand tours, at jumbo he gets all the space for the classics, and gets his own opportunities in grand tours while helping vingegard, whereever he would go he would still need to ride for his team in the big tours, jumbo just has the strongest team of all, so he can probably get the most space where he is at now
@paconavarro5644
@paconavarro5644 10 ай бұрын
Bro, Wout is fine he didn't have the best tour this year yes, but again he was on the winning team. Also it should never be a big deal for a father to be present for his child. Wout is a great rider and he will likely stay with Jumbo to have excellent support in the classics and having a gigantic salary. He will continue to win at Jumbo and overall he is still doing great, so I'm not too worried about him lol.
@madsmainz1053
@madsmainz1053 11 ай бұрын
Say you dont know cycling without saying you dont know cycling
@tsinkchi
@tsinkchi 11 ай бұрын
Hello, I'm one of your fans from China. I would like to translate this video and reprint it into Chinese bilibili video website. Now, I just need to confirm whether you allow me to do so, if you MIND what I did, please tell me, thanks
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 11 ай бұрын
Yes that's okay
@tsinkchi
@tsinkchi 11 ай бұрын
@@TrueSportsLore Thanks!
@ronvandekant4339
@ronvandekant4339 11 ай бұрын
I think this about is : this tour he was not the same as others he had not the legs that he had in 2022 and if he wants to win well a cyclist can’t win anything the want I think he should stay
@paulsolon6229
@paulsolon6229 10 ай бұрын
Wva superb rider He deserves team built around him
@markjackson8856
@markjackson8856 9 ай бұрын
Its swings and rounderbouts. Can there be too much ambition in a superteam. Maybe wout will end up as a GC contender. But I think he will have more success as a one day assassin /stage sniper.
@NIcklasNielsen7490
@NIcklasNielsen7490 11 ай бұрын
Wout cannot win sprints against someone like Philipsen unless the stage has been really hard. He has even said multiple times that he is very wary of someone like Mads Pedersen in a sprint, and Pedersen is considerably slower than Philipsen on a flat stage. Wout also seems to be genuine friends with Jonas, and he has done what he has been asked every single stage of this years TdF. I really doubt he is as unhappy as some people claim him to be.
@devidia
@devidia 11 ай бұрын
You're wrong about Skjelmose. He said it was predetermind that WVA would leave at the second wednesday of the Tour, which just wasn't true. That's diffefent than claiming he would leave early because his wife would give birth, which was already known long before the start of the Tour. Godda do your research man
@sirajosman5913
@sirajosman5913 11 ай бұрын
I don't wanna see WVA on those hideous jerseys with lidl Trek
@lazlo2511
@lazlo2511 10 ай бұрын
His got only internal pressure… his kinda shielded from been a true leader. Not sure how he would handle the dynamics of been a rider who had the full responsibility of making it happen at every big event. At Jumbo the pressure is spread across several riders, plus his in a good place, can’t seem breaking yet another contract with an outgoing sponsor.
@manovanbenthem8035
@manovanbenthem8035 11 ай бұрын
Bullshit, van Aert en Vingegaard are friends. Vingegaard was visiting van Aert yesterday. van Aert is not unhappy with Jumbovisma. This is the same as Netflix. And one another thing, Wout is not leaving.
@wally9051
@wally9051 11 ай бұрын
Hi! 😊
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 11 ай бұрын
Hi Wally!
@eljaa2000
@eljaa2000 10 ай бұрын
You're making a good case.
@xuetongchen9070
@xuetongchen9070 10 ай бұрын
I need a way to read the comment section without clicking into this video and contributing views to craps.
@Vnbaagaard
@Vnbaagaard 11 ай бұрын
This video and channel is just bad. They changed their mind like three about who would win the tour, first after Vingegaard took time on Pogacar, and then a video saying Pogacar would win after he took time. Now saying that van Aert should change from the best team in the world. Jumbo dedicates the classics to van Aert, and the Grand Tours to Roglic and Vingegaard. Last year he won three stages AND the green jersey, all while helping Vingegaard win the tour. I agree on him (van Aert) not being on the same level as last year, but he didnt really ride for the green jersey this year, it was all about winning the Tour de France with Vingegaard.
@annabeckman4386
@annabeckman4386 11 ай бұрын
Wow this is big!
@jorgedave5292
@jorgedave5292 11 ай бұрын
I think MVDP maybe goes for UAE.
@thedefaultuser
@thedefaultuser 9 ай бұрын
Next video - Why Sepp Kuss should LEAVE TJV after his contract.
@cyclingjeremy7201
@cyclingjeremy7201 11 ай бұрын
You really just said that Mvdp and WvA roles are different but they are exactly the same in cyclocross, classics and in the tour. What a bad take
@M.Howard86
@M.Howard86 11 ай бұрын
I think the best for him is like you said in the vid. Go to The Wolfpack. He will be the main man in almost every race. But winning the Tour De France with Quick-Step is never going to happen but he will win many races.
@magnussvendsen9250
@magnussvendsen9250 11 ай бұрын
Evenepoel is trying to win tour de france in 2024, so wouldn´t he just have the same problem, just with a otherwise worse team? I think jumbo is the best place for WvA
@DoCiNSaNiTy1
@DoCiNSaNiTy1 11 ай бұрын
While i always appreciate good cycling content, i have to say that some statements in this video is just factually wrong. Skjeldmose did not start the rumour, that Wout was leaving early. That was already known beforehand. What he did say, however, was that he heard he would leave after a specific stage. It's also statet that the danish media called Wout out for leaving early, which isnt true eather. They mentioned it would be a loss for Vingegaard, but there was no ill will towards him. Then there is the whole speculation aspect of the video, arguing that it would benefit Wout to leave Jumbo-Visma. While its true, that Wout didn't win a stage in the Tour this year, we have already seen he has carte blanche to attack on stages without a GC focus. It didn't work out this year, but why should't it next year? That is an opinion of course, so it is perfectly valid to have. But looking at his results at JV, i don't think there is much incentive to leave unless Wout wants to be a pure Sprinter or a GC rider.
@alexotti6753
@alexotti6753 11 ай бұрын
Wout Powls are 10 - 12Kg lighter than Wout van Art, and van Art works a lot more in this Mountain Stage!! Wout Van Art has this year not the form from last year. Wout will have to stay at Jumbo Visma.
@koolguy9531
@koolguy9531 11 ай бұрын
Its roglic who needs to leave jumbo if he wants a shot at winning the tour before he retires
@wouterkessels
@wouterkessels 11 ай бұрын
Wout has awnsered this question. There is no way it will happen. At Jumbo he gets what he wants and gas the best team mates possible
@kevinderung8524
@kevinderung8524 11 ай бұрын
If someone else makes it make sense money wise, no braininer...otherwise, why would you leave the TDF winning team?
@oskarherbst9354
@oskarherbst9354 11 ай бұрын
The sponsors dont count wins - they count screen time and public opinion, both of witch Wout is getting a lot by beeing the absolut beast he is - just look at the video clips like "everybody needs a wout in his life" the argument that he is under pressure from his sponsors is complete nonesens
@andersatkejakobsen3490
@andersatkejakobsen3490 10 ай бұрын
Wow! That is a LOT of assumptions. 🙂
@runedyrting8476
@runedyrting8476 11 ай бұрын
Wout van Aert is not a GC rider in the big tours. Tdf is decided in the high mountains and he is not a climber.
@JohnMFlores
@JohnMFlores 11 ай бұрын
With a new child, I would not be surprised if WVA goes for the biggest payday to give his family financial security
@kobeasselberghs
@kobeasselberghs 11 ай бұрын
Im sorry but wout is good at jumbo visma. He has a whole team around him at the classics. Lookt at last year paris nice, wout helped primoz roglic stay in yellow and a week later primoz helped wout in milan sanremo. The team works great and is the best team in the world. Besides some arguments, you cant say wout isnt at his place at jumbo visma
@Masteroiece
@Masteroiece 11 ай бұрын
Let me add can Wout out climb Jonás and Pogi? Let that sink
@TRUONGSPORT
@TRUONGSPORT 10 ай бұрын
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@fringorn3553
@fringorn3553 11 ай бұрын
This is why Wout Van Aert shouldn't leave Jumbo : salary
@alanmanzie540
@alanmanzie540 11 ай бұрын
Two kids, and momma ... "The Beast" needs to look out for his family and himself. He needs to move on! Time waits for no one, even Wout!
@YouOnlyLiveHans
@YouOnlyLiveHans 5 ай бұрын
And now Red Bull has their own team 👀
@leenverkade
@leenverkade 10 ай бұрын
So he should leave jumbo because he needs to do domestique duties in the tour for Jonas, and go to quickstep to do domestique duties for Remco? Also Wout as a GT rider... he would need to retrain his whole body. Hes a very decent climber, especially for someone that size. But not amongst the best 25 climbers in the world and hence not a GT contender. Hes "just" a great cyclocross, classics, sprint, small tour, break away and time trial rider.
@franciscomarasigan5077
@franciscomarasigan5077 11 ай бұрын
Ohh I see ur point about wout.. But telling u.. He dnt need another team to prove he is the beat and he can compete to a gc leader.. Because he is a pure sprinter and time trial specialist... I think u did a wrong review about him... He is great at team jumbo visma... This only show to speculate a wrong information
@TrekMercier
@TrekMercier 9 ай бұрын
To many in jumbo. One or two needs to find a new team for their own sake.
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