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Why You Must Watch The Newsroom Even If You Hate It
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11 жыл бұрынHBO's The Newsroom returns with our review of 'The Newsroom' Season 2, Ep. 1: An Occupation Foreseen.
Firstly, will The Newsroom be as cringeworthy and sanctimonious this season as it was in season one? Will the comparisons to Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip end? What changes has Aaron Sorkin made (if any) and will the show turn around? Is Will McAvoy different, even softer this time around? Is he reacting to stories in the same way? Will this season have more of a respect for journalism or women? Is the show enough to inspire CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC into changing for the better?
Will The Newsroom become the show you love, instead of the show you love to hate?
Ben Mankiewicz (host of Turner Classic Movies), Alonso Duralde (TheWrap.com and Linoleum Knife podcast), Cenk uygur (The Young Turks), and John Iadarola (TYT-U) discuss The Newsroom's Season 2, Ep. 1: An Occupation Foreseen and explain why you need to watch this show...even if you hate it.
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@Charuze 11 жыл бұрын
The thing about Sorkin that I think you have to understand to be able to watch his movies and his shows is that watching them is kind of like watching Shakespeare. The dialogue is unrealistically verbose and dramatic, but that's sort of the point. It comes down to whether or not you like that style, but criticising it for being unrealistic is missing the forest for all the trees.
@bmagaziner Жыл бұрын
No it literally just sucks
@BishopAP 11 жыл бұрын
I honestly love The Newsroom. I even loved it back when it was Sports Night.
@VoodooApex 6 жыл бұрын
Newsroom is one of my favorite shows. What makes it great is that everyone aspires to be better. These guys are OK with ppl not trying to be their best selves. They live in the world that is instead of trying to make it better and the way that we all think it should be.
@mrbigman151 10 жыл бұрын
The Newsroom is fucking awesome.
@DarthMerlin 10 жыл бұрын
"One of the worst seasons of dramatic television I've ever seen in my entire life." Really, Ben? Hyperbole much?! There are easily a hundred shows on TV right now that are worse than the Newsroom.
@MediumSella 11 жыл бұрын
Why does everyone have to try to use their biggest words to go on hate rants against the show. It is by far my favorite show on television. I love the love interests, the stories, and at least the idea of conviction. I feel a lot of people hate on it for being "unrealistic", but I don't look at it to be realistic, it's idealistic.
@rorylennon4043 8 жыл бұрын
I LOVED the Newsroom. I don't know what these guys are banging on about. They just nitpick.
@aryaputra359 7 жыл бұрын
I waaaatcccheed The Neeewsrooooom full mooovie here twitter.com/c994211efa9edeb3b/status/824453594590044160
@theolamp5312 7 жыл бұрын
+Rory Lennon- I loved it too - Also, I loved West Wing. And, I found nothing wrong with how Sorkin handled the love interests.
@Bacbi 6 жыл бұрын
since ur so fond of saying propaganda can you name specifics, and when the show pointed out shitty behavior in the tea party, that is not the same as left wing propaganda so please be extra specific and I will have an open mind
@NicoNuney 11 жыл бұрын
I love this show, I don't understand why anyone would hate it, unless they go into it looking for things to hate.
@bobbymartinez2628 11 жыл бұрын
This was exact response I expected from these four guys, which only solidifies my love for The Newsroom.
@mikael15totti10 11 жыл бұрын
Saddened to them mocking the show like this, having just caught up with the show I was excited to see what they had to say about it, but I wasn't expecting this.
@markdavidofficial4274 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t know, was it overly self-important: yes. But God I love it so much
@WatchlistTYT 11 жыл бұрын
Its not that its too low brow (I watched the first three seasons) its just that we don't have a group that currently watches it.
@BrotherAlpha 11 жыл бұрын
I liked season one, but I also have the ability to completely ignore stupid relationships on shows that I otherwise like. When the love triangle takes center stage, I tune out and just listen for words and phrases that indicate they've moved back to something interesting.
@persgodiva 6 жыл бұрын
I really really LOVE this show.
@suzannestephan954 8 жыл бұрын
LOVE LOVE LOVE THE NEWSROOM
@Maranwe 11 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling that they are trying to walk the line between doing things that will keep them on air, and doing what they really want. I am sure if they just "go for it", the show would be gone before we can blink.
@JozieLeePro 11 жыл бұрын
Loved last season. May have been pompous and over the top, but the dialog and content truly entertained. Couldn't wait for its return, but I, too, found episode 1 lacking. Kept getting up, finding other things to address. Willing to give them time to regroup.
@MrBosephine 11 жыл бұрын
Incidentally, I think Will referencing the American Taliban was unprecedented on American television. I cannot find this phrase referenced to anyone. This phrase is not loosely thrown around and being a Canadian, I found it shocking that the phrase was even used. This was daring television, daring writing and daring acting.
@MoCtheFirst 11 жыл бұрын
i love this series because of the news they portray and the way they portray them. the problem with the latest episode is that the focus was on the relationship which as oyu guys said in the beginning i don't care about either!
@jasamglup123 8 жыл бұрын
jesus christ how can they think The Newsroom is bad?
@subfreak1996 6 жыл бұрын
I think it's because they're reporters so they feel like they're being lectured to.
@MrBosephine 11 жыл бұрын
Seriously, I love this show and I love that they are showing people with principles. Unfortunately this has been lost but like everything, if they show enough of it it will actually stick in people's minds and they may behave differently. Jeff Daniels is amazing in the show and the conflict he experiences is well presented. I don't know who these guys are that reviewed it but their comments are ridiculous.
@LJofSpadesTV 11 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't get the criticism - regardless, I love the show.
@HopeIsFleeting 11 жыл бұрын
I've been involved in a lot of non-hierarchical decision making communities. Protest camps, squats, communes, non-profits, Occupys (London and Nottingham) and none of them failed in their decision making structure. To dismiss anarcho-collectivism (or what ever label you like to use) out of hand just because you don't think it works is infantile. It does work and I can prove it time and time again.
@SinestroCorps25 11 жыл бұрын
"Brian Williams and Anderson Cooper would never say that because they don't have the principle of Will Macavoy." Or maybe Brian and Anderson wouldn't say that because its not true.
@Zulzon80 11 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me if this video contains any spoilers for the show?
@paulblake744 11 жыл бұрын
I'm interested in seeing how both Troy Davis and Trayvon Martin is handled.
@heyhey89674 11 жыл бұрын
Me to, and the ironic thing is more americans will watch this show and learn more news than from the actual "news". I think this show is really important.
@TheEonge 11 жыл бұрын
On the Occupy note: even had the Occupy folks had this advice, they would not have listened.
@Germanshepherdloverx 11 жыл бұрын
The fact that so many people are discussing this is a testament to its quality.
@tayag2003 11 жыл бұрын
The dog days of summer? You guys are forgetting that Breaking Bad is coming back in a month's time.
@TwoGamesAtOnce 11 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I've been looking for their reviews of Season 1 Newsroom episodes. Can't find them. Has anyone else seen them since current went down?
@yanisperco 11 жыл бұрын
I really do not understand the hate here. I loved the first season. Where is the reviews of season 1.
@hezekiahramirez6965 11 жыл бұрын
Anodyne? I think me means analogue.
@ModernFilmCritic 11 жыл бұрын
The Newsroom is brilliant.
@MrChancho48 11 жыл бұрын
Ok I'm a fan of both but Newsroom is way more entertaining than Mad Men
@ethansuranie5139 9 жыл бұрын
Wow how can you hate the newsroom it's amazing it is not unrealistic at all. You are all just being game if thrones bitches open up I love that show too but it unrealistic too. Don't even get me started with the walking dead
@Bacbi 6 жыл бұрын
ok u've said this multiple times what exactly is the left wing propaganda ur talking about can u be specific?
@KanadetheGravekeeper 11 жыл бұрын
One of my most beloved series of all time. Highly underrated, but also highly smart and entertaining.
@vonOhzu 11 жыл бұрын
It seems Cenk might have to go back and rewatch A Few Good Men, "you can't handle the truth" speech it's supposed to be about the duty of the strong to protect the weak, and tee up the revelation about how Nicholson's character betrayed that duty when he had a kid brutalized and accidentally killed him for being weak, and then left two of his subordinates facing a possible death penalty instead of taking responsibility for the orders he gave them.
@silver_desperado 4 жыл бұрын
All the parts of the show that talked about the news and fighting the corporate overlords were great. The parts with Romance are terrible.
@thePANDEMlC 11 жыл бұрын
John on What The Flick? My worlds are colliding.
@califilipino 11 жыл бұрын
Someone that watched season 1 can you explain why these guys hated it so much? I saw only the pilot and thought it was great.
@GageEakins 11 жыл бұрын
I really liked the show. The only criticism I would levee at the show is the stupid relationship stuff. I want them to spend more time in the newsroom or more time in events that actually effect the broadcast. I have the same criticism of the West Wing, another of Sorkin's shows, the relationship crap was pretty weak.
@FerFer1958 11 жыл бұрын
"The Newsroom" has to put all that cheeze romantic stories otherwise it will be called "News" and nobody will watch it. At least people get to be inform about a few big headlines that happened.
@Xenite227 11 жыл бұрын
Flipped it on one night, thought it was horrible, flipped it off (err the channel that is) and moved on.
@Belloran24 11 жыл бұрын
Been meaning to watch this show. I think it's so necessary for our times from what I've heard about it.
@sallyboo8892 11 жыл бұрын
I am an admitted Sorkin fangirl. The Newsroom is typical Sorkin from the plot points to the character archetypes (one example -- female characters who are brilliant at work, but totally bumbling in their personal lives -- hello, Dana from SportsNight, CJ from The West Wing and now we have Mackenzie on The Newsroom). My best "review" of this show is, if you like typical (TV) Sorkin, you will like this. If you don't, you won't. End of story.
@deebeetwo 13 күн бұрын
The Newsroom was brilliant! This conversation is boring.
@DSkehan2004 Жыл бұрын
In the 2010’s, there was a lot of boring, dark, and not interesting trash on TV. The only tv shows I enjoyed watching was avengers EMH and the newsroom.
@GiantSandles 11 жыл бұрын
I think the show's commentary is something I often agree with, but it kind of fails as a drama. The premise makes it basically impossible for the show to do anything other than preach at its viewers 99% of the time, with the other 1% being filled with, I don't know, that love triangle between Alison Pill's character and... erm, the other two? Jeff Daniels is the only great thing about the show, to me. He's amazing.
@Pathfinder197 11 жыл бұрын
Love The Newsroom. Watching these four self-important guys blather on for 23 minutes? Meh... Agree the mainstream media is none too happy being called out for their lack of journalistic integrity and the extent to which they've all sold out to the overwhelming influence of big corporate interests.
@patmaloney5735 4 жыл бұрын
The newsroom isnt a drama, an intelligent conversation is begun with an intelligent premise.
@HopeIsFleeting 11 жыл бұрын
First of all 'It didn't DO anything' for many reason's, unfavorable media coverage, no major backing but mostly because the police forcefully took the camps down. Second it educated a lot of people through workshops and general assemblies and encouraged people to stand up for what's right You last point is half right, we need as many different types of people as possible to envelop as many views as we can so we can realise every conceivable opinion and make decisions based on the outcome
@theworm826 11 жыл бұрын
These guys get it, literally one of the worst shows I've ever watched, but I can't stop watching it. It's literally bad. That and the "real" journalism, where all of the stories and leads fall right into the character's laps. It's absolutely ridiculous and annoys me to no end. I'll keep watching and laughing at it.
@anonymousinfinido2540 2 жыл бұрын
what kind of shows do you like?
@BIGSAM-O-A 11 жыл бұрын
good actors spewing dialogue at 100 miles an hour. that's the newsroom
@cOcInternationalXThanatos 11 жыл бұрын
I love WhatTheFlick tv reviews. I wish they would make more like "Ray Donovan", "Breaking Bad".
@jeep6242 11 жыл бұрын
I agree. Except for me the absolute worst show I ever watched to the end was Weeds. Nothing can ever compare to the staggering zombie that show became by the end.
@imaprinta 4 жыл бұрын
The Newsroom was a really good show, imo - don't know what these guys were watching, but ... and I've said this before ... critics seem to be really caught up in looking to criticize to justify their title.
@Valaraukar8187 Жыл бұрын
Sheesh. Talk about “removing sanctimony”? Wtf? Hate-watching? That’s a thing? Some people just suck. I have my own personalized criticisms for a zillion subjects, too, but the concept of “hate watching” is so cynical and pathetic. No wonder everyone hates everything about everything, we’re all just a bucket of jaded toolbags. It’s actually shameful, these cats are more narcissistic than the fictional characters they’re criticizing. I’m glad I’ve never seen this before but ecstatic that I have seen it once so I can actively avoid it going forward.
@diegorguzman 11 жыл бұрын
Any chance you guys review Dexter?
@ltsMeSB 11 жыл бұрын
Wanna hear a good joke? THE MAINSTREAM NEWS!
@jhop4life 11 жыл бұрын
While flawed, I love this show.
@mkpveerdt 11 жыл бұрын
The Newsroom is one of those shows that is highly misunderstood in its purpose at times. It is not only there to entertain but also to show a vision of how things should improve. Sorkin is absolutely right to criticize American 24 hour news tv. Imo never before have the American people been so misinformed on so many crucial topics like drone strikes, Spying and the banking crises. Ofc. that is not solely the fault of the media but as the newsroom shows, it should be handled differently.
@DatEraa 11 жыл бұрын
Those 180 innocent Americans made the decision to buy and smoke toxic tobacco also this is 2013 dude, nobody gets an idea to start smoking because they saw it for 30 seconds on an-hour long tv show
@Melllllzy 11 жыл бұрын
Is the reason so I can have my weekly WTF TV talk again? I miss GOT and Mad Men. Can't wait for Breaking Bad to come back. Shame True Blood is too low brow for these guys. Same with Dexter, although it is pretty good this season.
@muzorewi 11 жыл бұрын
Cannot believe I'm actually enjoying these fucking reviews.
@dalisllama 11 жыл бұрын
Cenk can't stop thinking about Zimmerman
@MyTubeIsBetter20 11 жыл бұрын
anyone think Dev Patel's character is a Sue?
@Jacob-Vivimord 11 жыл бұрын
You guys should do Hannibal.
@Ahmed1 11 жыл бұрын
Me, too. I wish they'd review Dexter!
@flynnsam 11 жыл бұрын
Newsroom is a GREAT show.
@TheEonge 11 жыл бұрын
On the deposition: Several West Wing episodes did that as well, namely the episode when Leo testifies before Congress on Bartlet's MS
@rbalzer55 11 жыл бұрын
anyone think they should do a Fox version of this show? That'd be some crazy shit
@Maranwe 11 жыл бұрын
Well it is understandable that cenk likes it, is like when my familiy watched "six feet under". We are mortitions, if it is about what you do,... you kinda have to watch/hate it. And then you can point out aaaaall the mistakes and still keep watching. ;)
@sacv27 11 жыл бұрын
I really liked season 1 personally. Maybe I just don't have a critic's eye but I thought it was well-written, humorous, and compelling. I can see the whole anti-strong-women thing a bit though.
@amadan34 11 жыл бұрын
I will only watch it if you guys do a review every week
@mykelc205 11 жыл бұрын
I don't watch shows if I hate them..
@CopyboyVideo 11 жыл бұрын
Yeah - the deposition deal is a pretty standard Sorkin plot device. I think all of his shows have had one. And three of his first season finales were told in flashback, titled "What Kind of Day Has it Been?" So, yeah, he does this a lot.
@TheKaiser421 11 жыл бұрын
The reasons Cenk likes this show are the same reasons I hate it
@elborya81 11 жыл бұрын
This review hurts deeply because of how in some ways you people had the same reaction that I had to first season. I liked a lot the show, for various reasons one of which was that maybe the news networks anchors would watch it and at least consider another way of doing the news. And I even thought that Soledad O'Brien, in my wildest dreams, took it at the letter and started to ask the tough questions. But seeing Cenk despair about nothing will ever change hurts.
@MyTubeIsBetter20 11 жыл бұрын
Good show.
@grnhair2001 11 жыл бұрын
geez, all that testosterone in the studio! And Alonso throwing around words like "dudgeon" and "anodyne." If I were a gay man, I'd be dizzy with lust.
@supervegeta101 11 жыл бұрын
Wish they did these for DEXTER
@schmoab 11 жыл бұрын
I agree that the love triangle is overly complicated and really who cares. I hated episode 1, but episode 2 was great thanks to Jeff Daniels and Olivia Munn (Sloan Sabbith). I'm looking forward to see where this goes. As far as last season: there were a couple of episodes that I thought were some of the greatest TV I've ever seen, so I'm not sure where Ben is coming from here.
@MediabyAaron 11 жыл бұрын
I agree, the Newsroom is pretty terrible, but I can't stop watching it.
@derekdiercksmeier486 11 жыл бұрын
I like "The Newsroom" much more than these guys. I like it much more than most people, actually.
@leivabernie 11 жыл бұрын
first time I see Alonso and Cenk in the same room lol
@pearly957 11 жыл бұрын
Hey guys please do episodic reviews of Ray Donovan on Showtime. The main characters are complex and nuanced. Just very promising. And not to mention, it's not Newsroom which is an insufferable one-dimensional show
@magpepper 11 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. Ever since Alan Ball left... it's just been weird.
@Dreadnaught1985 11 жыл бұрын
I actually like all of the interpersonal relationships on the show. The whole point is drama. And if all they did was the news, then you may as well just go watch the news... If you want to watch a drama, then guess what. Relationships are a big part of drama.
@leosylver7 11 жыл бұрын
I hate the New Opening Theme, i miss the old one.
@HopeIsFleeting 11 жыл бұрын
Let's have a real discussion on why non-hierarchical governance doesn't work instead of just dismissing it out of hand. I'm sick of these hypothetical argument's, let's look at Occupy... No leader rose to the top, there was camps in hundreds of cities all over the world, in all accounts in worked!! Stop dismissing it because you disagree with it (that is the definition of bias!)
@patpowers9210 9 жыл бұрын
Network TV and cable news are already irrelevant.
@Cabochon1360 11 жыл бұрын
Anodyne? Did you mean analog?
@e50e1 11 жыл бұрын
Nah. It's a unique genre and I'll keep watching.
@lanceromance420 11 жыл бұрын
Wish they did a What The Flick?!? for SHARKNADO!
@kamoheloiannk617 3 жыл бұрын
HBO cannot miss it stresses me out lol
@wfvesely 10 ай бұрын
I'm always amused when people like this criticize something they could not do in their wildest dreams . All of these guys together could not do what Aron Sorkin does. That is write great TV shows and movies.
@TheDouVu 11 жыл бұрын
oh god I hate Alonso Duralde. His opinions drive me nuts. Plus, he always finds a nitpick to utterly shoot something down. A nitpick for which no one really cares about.
@GennaSt 11 жыл бұрын
I like Newsroom by itself but I love it bc it makes most of the press crazy. They don't like being compared to the ideal version of the Fourth Estate. They want accolades but they are making waves like this ideal. How could they like it.
@MrBosephine 11 жыл бұрын
If I click the "Show less" button, will these guys go away? Talk about sanctimonious.
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