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Why You Shouldn’t Work Back Office Finance Jobs (My experience in Investment Ops - Pros and Cons)

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Why you shouldn’t work back office finance jobs (My experience in Investment Ops - Pros and Cons)
Hey I'm Aaron
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During my time at university I interned at an asset management company and my role was that of a portfolio administrator, which is a part of the infamous back office. I know back office ITS NOT INVESTMENT BANKING kody ko style
So first of all what is front office, what is middle office and what is back office?
The front-office of an investment bank is the division that makes the bank money, so think capital markets, sales and trading and equity research
The middle office employees are the people that support the front office in areas of technology, law, and risk management.
And lastly Back Office roles relate to processes and systems that must exist regardless of revenue generated; examples include compliance, accounting, technology (IT), and HR. My experiences within back office are specifically investment operations but im taking my experiences + other people I know plus what ive researched to list out all the pros and cons.
Many banks have stopped using these terms, and the line between Middle Office (MO) and Back Office (BO) has always been blurry to non-existent.
So ofc we are gonna start out with the cons
Lower Pay - Junior-level base salaries are a bit lower than those in revenue-generating roles, but bonuses are significantly lower. An IB Analyst might receive a bonus equal to 70-100% of his/her base salary in a good year, but it’s more like 5-10% of base salary in these roles. The bonus percentage climbs significantly only at the mid-to-senior levels (VP/Director/MD).
Demographic: Unlike the big four, where im currently working. The age of people in back office teams usually stems to the older side. Managers and booses have been around for 25+ years and are stuck at the VP and ED levels.
Difficulty in Transitioning to Front-Office Roles Elsewhere - Yes, you can do it, but it is still an uphill battle. And the transition is difficult whether you’re at a large bank, a hedge fund, a private equity firm, or anything else. Because i was at a boutique company, when one of the portfolio managers left I did see one of the other portfolio administrators (who were working full time) rise to the position as a portfolio analyst, but he had proven himself time and time again and put in the work to get there. Not to mention he also had a masters degree in applied finance.
Repetitive Work - Much of the process-related and day-to-day work can get repetitive, but this point may be a bit less true for certain roles now. Note that much of the IB Analyst/Associate workload also gets repetitive (e.g., writing pitch books or CIMs).
Automation - because of the extremely repetitive work, the typical investment OPS roles are very susceptible to automation. A large part of my job when i was working as a portfolio administrator was using alteryx to to essentially do my job for me at a much quicker pace.
Non transferable skills: The tasks you do day to day in investment ops are glorified data administration. The skills you develop don’t really translate to any other industry or area in finance, unless you are using data analytics to automate your own job like i was, then maybe with some further study i suppose you could end up in data analytics. But itd be a long tough approach to get there.
Lack of Respect - This one isn’t universally true, but many front-office employees show little respect for support staff - partially because they’re always being yelled at by their superiors. If an IT system breaks, they may take out some of their anger on you.
High turnover: This is self explanatory based on everything i have listed above.
Most people in back office don't know the difference between front and back office and, if they do, don't care. Outside of Ops, most people working in the back office are actually doing what they like to do. Working in IT, Marketing, or HR at a BB is as a good place as any to do any of those functions. I really think the people in Ops are the only people that realize they are in back office and care about it.
Its a great internship opportunity, It does give you the opportunity to experience the investment world and get a small insight on how asset management actually works.
Jobs in non front office functions are more careers than something you do for two years before trying to do something better. Because of this, people in non front office jobs are likely more stable in their careers than front office folks. Also the jobs tend to be more recession proof for several reasons: they don't make as much and their jobs are necessary in good times and bad.
1. Free time at the office - The back office is a pretty easy and mindless job. A few hours of efficient work a day should be enough to free up the rest of your time to work on something else.

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@lilyhuangau
@lilyhuangau 3 жыл бұрын
I have to comment that this video is so true, and it is exactly same as what I will comment after working in multinational investment banks for almost 10 years, been in both back office and middle office. But I don’t think all graduates know or understand about it for sure.
@heyimaaron2972
@heyimaaron2972 3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you shared this comment, it will help steer the path of future graduates!
@waynefmj
@waynefmj 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, front-office client-facing my ass. Why you Should work Middle/Back-office: work a very respectable job, focus on being self-driven and get a couple nice promotions under your belt, get some management experience, work with people that actually enjoy their job and colleagues, maintain a healthy work:life balance while not going bald with 12-18+ hr workdays, pursue your passions on side hustles + develop your own business ventures on the side
@doubleclutch996
@doubleclutch996 3 жыл бұрын
I worked in Investment Operations at a large regional bank in the US for one year. This video is spot on. I wish I knew all of these cons before starting. If you're a finance graduate, stay away from back office operations roles. Even if you're struggling to land a front office role right out of college, if you can afford to, I would recommend holding out and trying until you land one. Like mentioned in the video, you can jump from back office to front office, but it is very difficult. You're better off working harder to land that front office role right out of school. If you're currently in a back office role and you want out, find ways outside of work to develop your skill set applicable to whatever it is you want to do. Simply acquiring work experience in a back-office role isn't enough. You really have to prove yourself. Don't let yourself get pigeon held. With that said, if you do land interviews for client facing roles, be completely honest why you're looking to make the jump. People understand, especially those who were once in back office and made the jump themselves.
@nikkifrancis8566
@nikkifrancis8566 4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes people don’t want to work in front office or worry about sales anymore. And there is still the opportunity to either switch to front office (as difficult as it is) or go elsewhere with the learned experience.
@dari_amusic
@dari_amusic 3 жыл бұрын
After hearing back office jobs are easy... i personally work 12-14 hours a day with no breaks in back office. The lockdown felt like jail...
@dseer13
@dseer13 3 жыл бұрын
lol What do you do?
@halofanaticboy
@halofanaticboy 3 жыл бұрын
What exactly do you do? And are you in a big bank?
@teeada6858
@teeada6858 3 жыл бұрын
Omg, yes! The back office jobs can take up your whole day. I'm not sure which BO jobs he's specifically speaking of, but work life balance in the back office is non-existant. 😔
@TheRealAK786
@TheRealAK786 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in reg reporting. This role gives us great exposure to multiple departments like middle office - treasury/settlements and in my case some understanding of what the front office do. The salary is decent considering the skills shortage in this area and the growing demand of reg reporting people. I do agree some things are mundane but other things - new regulations are exciting for me, since we do all the calcs. I try to make my job more interesting by streamlining/automating things where I can. Back office is easy - in my role I have to disagree. Lots of reports, deadlines and knowledge of financial products/accounting and various regulations is required from different jurisdictions e.g US/Hong Kong/USA/EU/UK etc - there is no such thing as free time. Looking back at my career so far from when I graduated in 2016, Reg reporting has taught me alot.
@financiallylitwithmargaret5118
@financiallylitwithmargaret5118 3 жыл бұрын
Can definitely see your point for some companies. I work “back office” and in investments for a boutique firm. It definitely depends on the firm you’re with. We’re not a sales focused business as it’s private wealth management so we fortunately don’t have the divide of the 3 offices.
@cataleyauhx919
@cataleyauhx919 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, currently in an Ops role at an investment firm while doing my MSc, but want to go back into middle office/FO as I did an internship but didn't get to experience it fully due to Covid. Knowing this now is spot on with how I've been feeling !!
@heyimaaron2972
@heyimaaron2972 3 жыл бұрын
Happy to help!
@Heymann925
@Heymann925 3 жыл бұрын
You share a few valid points but most of what you say is unfounded anecdotal evidence from a short internship at an asset management firm.
@Heymann925
@Heymann925 3 жыл бұрын
I.e. not applicable to the numerous operations functions in bulge bracket banks.
@heyimaaron2972
@heyimaaron2972 3 жыл бұрын
You make a good point, I’m in no doubt that many people will have a very fulfilling career in back office. This video was made based off my experience + people I know in back office + research.
@Francisco.Guimaraes
@Francisco.Guimaraes 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I spent two hours watching videos about Back Office and this is the best that I Watched!
@heyimaaron2972
@heyimaaron2972 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate!
@gji2797
@gji2797 5 ай бұрын
So fucking true I have 5 years of experience in asset servicing and 40% of my activities were already automated way before AI. Now its 60. So yeah even i dont see myself in this department in future. So, switching in IT.
@Catherinee
@Catherinee 4 жыл бұрын
a paid role
@ikimus
@ikimus 3 жыл бұрын
Back office finance jobs can get fucked! Never again
@cutiepiesam5682
@cutiepiesam5682 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Aaron can I have your contact number
@qeoo6578
@qeoo6578 4 жыл бұрын
Im fucked then. Fuck my life
@casanjithkotni725
@casanjithkotni725 3 жыл бұрын
I agree stay away
@ilovelifan
@ilovelifan Жыл бұрын
what about middle office transferring into ibd?? is it difficult?
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