Yep.........me too. I posted a comment here over 6 yrs ago saying there's nothing wrong with a palomar knot on fluoro, so long as the knot is tied carefully, like this video shows. HOWEVER, I have since proven to myself that fluoro is the biggest money making scam in fishing history. It is by far the weakest of all fishing lines. That's because fluoro belongs to the GLASS family. Every type of stress causes fractures on the entire length of fluoro off the spool, all the way to your hook or lure. I got sick & tired of losing fish ( even small fish ) on the hook set or even lures during casting, I switched 100% back over to tried & true Berkley/Trilene Big Game mono, and over 90% of my line breakage issues disappeared. I'm DONE with fluoro. The only thing it's good for is getting deep diving lures a little deeper ( because fluoro sinks ) in clear water with NO heavy cover around. And even then, ya have to use brand new fluoro for every trip out on the water, because every hook set, every snag, even big or powerful fish are all causing all of those tiny FRACTURES throughout the entire length of fluoro line off your spool. KZfaq ch: SALT STRONG did an amazing video/test that proves once & for all just how sorry fluoro truly is for fishing, and how quickly & easily it breaks, even when brand new. It's over-priced & over-hyped garbage.

Mason hard type mono… that is where it’s at for leader material.

FalconerPhoto the uni knot works pretty good too, especially with Fluoro and mono line

@FalconerPhoto , so get you, I like that knot as well, it's just that when you trust a knot, it's hard to do another.

Thanks Mike! It's a great knot. Any knot will be susceptible to breakage if it digs into itself on crossed lines.

I haven't either

K8Nicole Yes! New considerable theory! octopus lives in trees

Thanks for the great breakout on knot fail reasons Sean. A great addition to the video content.

artichoke890 We agree! We also use a Uni knot a lot.

Wired2Fish Wat about the San Diego jam knot? I've used it alot and it works great. Palomar on certain things and Sdjk on others for me.

The Fish-N-Fool knot has been proven to be the best all around knot and it's easy to tie.

Make sure your drag is set right too, that’s very important to not having them break you off.

Yes. You want to keep the lines parallel the whole time through cinching the knot down tight.

Weaker as least with mono and fluorocarbon.

Appreciate it Ron.

@@Wired2Fish,Morning sir. Yvmw.

@@Wired2Fish Afternoon sir. Just wondering how many total separate comments did you get/see 4 days ago from me?

*On fluorocarbon and mono

Ouch. You can find videos that the clinch knot is at best only 60% as strong as your line rating. Palomar on the other hand tied right is 100%. I would highly recommend changing your knot.

The only issue with the clinch knot is if you dont wrap it enough itll slip

that's when i tried it too and i prefer it over many of the modern braids. I still have 2 unopened boxes of the spiderwire Original from around 20 years ago. the black and red box. If i remember right, the average cost for bulk spooling in typical freshwater reel pound test was $.25-.45/yard which was a lot considering trilene and stren were under $3/spool back then.

When you break it down it is a really very cost effective and you don't loose as many lures either. When I was fishing Slider Worms in the hot summer , I lost very few fish on my ultra lite or lures, because I could just straighten the hook. I could also feel about any pick up. I carried a old drum stick to wrap the line around, to pull with. You were right about the black and red box. Still have several, suppose they are collectables now ? :-) vic

@ littlegoobie,Just 1 bad thing about old line especially 20 year old line. It can/will weaken/lose strength over time.

@ victor castle,Thanks for your service sir.

Sure. We also tie a Uni knot a lot.

dmkappa62 just like its not a Croppie..... it’s a Crappie. It’s not a Crawfish.... it’s a Crayfish. I understand it’s fishing and not English Class, but c’mon !

Depends on what part of the country you're from

Who's they?lol

Lots of pros still only use the Improved Clinch. Never had a problem so they never changed. We like that same philosophy. Find a knot that works for you and stick with it. Personally I tie a Uni 99% of the time. - Jason

Wired2Fish Roger that....I use a double improved clinch and check my line consistently.....the biggest problem I've always had is setting the hook to quickly when I'm catching fish I've found stacked up....I GET EXCITED COME IN!...🐋

Qoul Wan Have you tried the San Diego jam knot? it works great for me when I'm not using a palomar

Yes, I've tried it thanks, it's a good knot. Every now and then I'll give something different a try. At the moment I'm using a uni knot, which I know some people will say is not so strong. But it's quick and easy and I'm tying swivel clips to 20lb leaders with it, so it's strong enough. If you are looking for a braid to leader knot, I can highly recommend the FG knot, if tied correctly, it's excellent.

Qoul Wan Rite on, yea the fg knot is the best leader knot, I like the uni to uni also it works well but the fg is more low profile and goes thru the guides well, it took me like 5 trys when I first watched how to tie it but it is a great knot, like a Chinese finger trap

It's awesome, what species do you fish for?

Qoul Wan large mouth bass but I enjoy catching any kind of fish, I'm a bass angler at heart tho